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2013-11-01 04:10:11 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-11-01 04:13:14 PM  
And the "duh" award goes to.....
 
2013-11-01 04:15:55 PM  
Meh. Try to be a be-all source for so many states that refuse to cooperate, combined with typical government level BS is bound to be crappy out the door. It's just so obvious the way it's being attacked when shiat like this happens ALL the time.

Medicare Part D? Nope. Don't remember. Military procurement? Nope. Don't remember. Iraq billing system? Nope. Don't remember.

Something involving Obama? IT'S A shiatASTROPHE!!!!
 
2013-11-01 04:20:41 PM  
FTComments:Republicans sabotaged it by not obeying the whims and desires of His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Barack Obama Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, SCOAMF, and Last King of Scotland.

Had to google that one, ahem:

1. SCoaMF
Stuttering Clusterfark of a Miserable Failure.
An empty suit propped up by the media reading old tired Marxist tripe from a teleprompter.
A vapid celebrity or politician incapable of originating or uttering a coherent thought without a teleprompter or cue cards.
Someone demonstrably stupid and yet convinced of their own infallibility, even though unable to think or emote.
A politician or celebrity who has no resume, no plan, no clue, and cannot speak without someone telling them what to say.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-01 04:21:37 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: FTComments:Republicans sabotaged it by not obeying the whims and desires of His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Barack Obama Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, SCOAMF, and Last King of Scotland.

Had to google that one, ahem:

1. SCoaMF
Stuttering Clusterfark of a Miserable Failure.
An empty suit propped up by the media reading old tired Marxist tripe from a teleprompter.
A vapid celebrity or politician incapable of originating or uttering a coherent thought without a teleprompter or cue cards.
Someone demonstrably stupid and yet convinced of their own infallibility, even though unable to think or emote.
A politician or celebrity who has no resume, no plan, no clue, and cannot speak without someone telling them what to say.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 300x188]


jaysus. really?
 
2013-11-01 04:22:37 PM  

FlashHarry: The RIchest Man in Babylon: FTComments:Republicans sabotaged it by not obeying the whims and desires of His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Barack Obama Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, SCOAMF, and Last King of Scotland.

Had to google that one, ahem:

1. SCoaMF
Stuttering Clusterfark of a Miserable Failure.
An empty suit propped up by the media reading old tired Marxist tripe from a teleprompter.
A vapid celebrity or politician incapable of originating or uttering a coherent thought without a teleprompter or cue cards.
Someone demonstrably stupid and yet convinced of their own infallibility, even though unable to think or emote.
A politician or celebrity who has no resume, no plan, no clue, and cannot speak without someone telling them what to say.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 300x188]

jaysus. really?


You can't make this shiat up.
 
2013-11-01 04:54:34 PM  
I'm continually amazed at how moronic the journalists who are supposed to cover this stuff are.
 
2013-11-01 04:54:55 PM  
done, one
 
2013-11-01 04:55:53 PM  
unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com
 
2013-11-01 04:55:57 PM  
Golly.
 
2013-11-01 04:56:10 PM  
meanwhile, back at the barn, the headline of the local paper:

"Residents stunned by costs"

why yes - we have a republican governor - who refused to expand medicaid and refused to set up a state exchange

that this particular red/blue state issue hasn't come up is a serious flaw in reporting
 
2013-11-01 04:57:37 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: FlashHarry: The RIchest Man in Babylon: FTComments:Republicans sabotaged it by not obeying the whims and desires of His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Barack Obama Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, SCOAMF, and Last King of Scotland.

Had to google that one, ahem:

1. SCoaMF
Stuttering Clusterfark of a Miserable Failure.
An empty suit propped up by the media reading old tired Marxist tripe from a teleprompter.
A vapid celebrity or politician incapable of originating or uttering a coherent thought without a teleprompter or cue cards.
Someone demonstrably stupid and yet convinced of their own infallibility, even though unable to think or emote.
A politician or celebrity who has no resume, no plan, no clue, and cannot speak without someone telling them what to say.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 300x188]

jaysus. really?

You can't make this shiat up.


I bet he even submited that himself (or herself, stupid knows no gender).
 
2013-11-01 04:58:06 PM  
green? on freeper friday?
 
2013-11-01 05:01:52 PM  

FlashHarry: green? on freeper friday?


Makes more sense than in Bronie Monday. Or Caturday.
 
2013-11-01 05:01:54 PM  

FlashHarry: green? on freeper friday?


according to a different thread, Fark is all pro-Obama, all the time.
 
2013-11-01 05:02:42 PM  

ManateeGag: FlashHarry: green? on freeper friday?

according to a different thread, Fark is all pro-Obama, all the time.


And according to reddit, we're conservatives. So in truth, we're all just drunk.
 
2013-11-01 05:04:30 PM  

CygnusDarius: So in truth, we're all just drunk.


thanks for reminding me. i need a beer.
 
2013-11-01 05:04:57 PM  
damn republicans, you screw up all our brilliant ideas
 
2013-11-01 05:05:10 PM  
ooh boy
 
2013-11-01 05:05:13 PM  
Ugh.  I hate rocky rollout.  It's my least-favorite flavor of ice cream.
 
2013-11-01 05:06:46 PM  
Gee, ya think??????
 
2013-11-01 05:07:51 PM  

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 600x445]



Done in one.
 
2013-11-01 05:08:35 PM  
If Republicans were truly out to undermine the ACA they would have tried to kill it through legislation, legal action or run a presidential candidate who promised to kill it.

So, this is obviously more left-wing propaganda.
 
2013-11-01 05:10:30 PM  
Lieberal lies!!! It's all Sebeghazi's fault!!
 
2013-11-01 05:12:51 PM  

ManateeGag: FlashHarry: green? on freeper friday?

according to a different thread, Fark is all pro-Obama, all the time.


Well after all, when Romney won the election, all the threads pointing out that Obama was leading in the skewed polls that libtards pretended were real on Fark were deleted to avoid their embarassment, that is how much Fark is in the tank for the libs.
 
2013-11-01 05:14:46 PM  
Holy crap...like a disoriented Egon after looking directly at the streams, I read the comments.

It's like they cloned my dumbass uncle a thousand times and all are trying to shout over each other.
 
2013-11-01 05:15:16 PM  
Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.
 
2013-11-01 05:15:31 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: damn republicans, you screw up all our brilliant ideas


Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where nobody took a case all the way to the Supreme Court to decide the individual shared responsibility payment was constitutional and part of the Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where all Republican governors accepted money from the federal government to expand Medicaid and formed their own exchanges? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where Congress gave HHS the money they requested to implement the law? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where Republicans didn't threaten groups of people from advertising the benefits of the new law and getting insured for next year? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where conservative organizations didn't explicitly try to incite young Americans to become martyrs for their cause by not buying health insurance starting next year? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where Republicans took seriously their duty to care for their constituents and helped them sign up for health coverage starting next year? I don't know.

I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far, there would be no way to blame the Republican Party for deliberately sabotaging the law, and that law would almost certainly be repealed by the end of 2015.
 
2013-11-01 05:16:59 PM  
I don't think it's "Politico woke up", I think it's more "Politico got really specific on the what's and where's, especially after the shutdown".
 
2013-11-01 05:17:22 PM  

Wadded Beef: Holy crap...like a disoriented Egon after looking directly at the streams, I read the comments.

It's like they cloned my dumbass uncle a thousand times and all are trying to shout over each other.


Never read the bottom half of the internet. :)
 
2013-11-01 05:17:44 PM  

Cletus C.: If Republicans were truly out to undermine the ACA they would have tried to kill it through legislation, legal action or run a presidential candidate who promised to kill it.

So, this is obviously more left-wing propaganda.


You mean like they did?
 
2013-11-01 05:20:57 PM  
Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.
 
2013-11-01 05:21:46 PM  

Serious Black: I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far, there would be no way to blame the Republican Party for deliberately sabotaging the law, and that law would almost certainly be repealed by the end of 2015.


"crashed and burned" hyperbole much?

You can still sign up by phone and by appointment and the state sites in general have been working fine. California the most populous state in the nation site is doing fine.

Do you think every other federal program "crashed and burned" when the government had no web site for service and you had to call in or go to a building. Medicare didn't have a website, Social Security had no website. Did they "crash and burn" too because their website was non-existent which is much much worse then the shape of the federal exchange site now.
 
2013-11-01 05:22:07 PM  

Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.


I'm not sure I'd classify a website shiat-show as the law "crashing and burning" so much as the website being a shiat-show and everything else being pretty much normal.
 
2013-11-01 05:23:26 PM  

Aidan: Wadded Beef: Holy crap...like a disoriented Egon after looking directly at the streams, I read the comments.

It's like they cloned my dumbass uncle a thousand times and all are trying to shout over each other.

Never read the bottom half of the internet. :)


RIGHT?!?
 
2013-11-01 05:24:32 PM  

Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.


This is funny:

Access via phone or going in - FINE!

Access via phone or going in, PLUS website having some problems for some users - OMG! Crash and burn!!!

How does that make any sense.
 
2013-11-01 05:25:29 PM  

Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.


Corvus: "crashed and burned" hyperbole much?

You can still sign up by phone and by appointment and the state sites in general have been working fine. California the most populous state in the nation site is doing fine.

Do you think every other federal program "crashed and burned" when the government had no web site for service and you had to call in or go to a building. Medicare didn't have a website, Social Security had no website. Did they "crash and burn" too because their website was non-existent which is much much worse then the shape of the federal exchange site now.


dr_blasto: I'm not sure I'd classify a website shiat-show as the law "crashing and burning" so much as the website being a shiat-show and everything else being pretty much normal.


Yeah, it's hyperbole to say the law is crashing and burning. The healthcare.gov website though...
 
2013-11-01 05:28:22 PM  

havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.


img.fark.net
 
2013-11-01 05:29:26 PM  

Serious Black: Yeah, it's hyperbole to say the law is crashing and burning. The healthcare.gov website though...


Is having Issues.

Ah yes we remember how GTA V "crashed and burned" too. Or how World of Warcraft "Crashed and Burned". Or seriously put in almost any game that has a server component that actually has been successful for the last 5 years.

Server issues are fairly common with big services. To act like it's some sort of "OMG this means it's a failure" is a joke.
 
2013-11-01 05:30:52 PM  
Don't worry, there's plenty of other articles on Politico criticizing Fartbongocare.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/the-obamacare-whiners-rich-low ry -opinion-99143.html?ml=po_r
 
2013-11-01 05:31:06 PM  

havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.


You have any like actual data to back that up? Or just think repeating something enough makes it true?
 
2013-11-01 05:33:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Cletus C.: If Republicans were truly out to undermine the ACA they would have tried to kill it through legislation, legal action or run a presidential candidate who promised to kill it.

So, this is obviously more left-wing propaganda.

You mean like they did?


Oh come on. I'm not that bad.

I saw my father lose his job, start his own business with no health coverage and suffer an illness that racked up hundreds of thousands in medical bills. I saw the stress of those bills exacerbate his medical problems and I watched him die.

A proud, successful man most of his life and a health care system in this country that left him behind. A disgrace. I knew that farked up system needed fixing but I saw politicians screeching about "socialized medicine" every time attempts were made. And I saw special interests step up to kill every attempt to fix it.

It should never have been that way with my father and wouldn't have been if the ACA were in effect when he was alive. So, I will poke fun at the failures with healthcare.gov and challenge the blindly faithful when they defend any and all flaws, but I will not, ever, criticize the good intentions of the ACA. Those are good, patriotic and necessary. And I will not, ever, root for its failure.

This message has been brought to you by me. Don't ever make me act this way again.
 
2013-11-01 05:33:48 PM  

Corvus: Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.

This is funny:

Access via phone or going in - FINE!

Access via phone or going in, PLUS website having some problems for some users - OMG! Crash and burn!!!

How does that make any sense.


I think I can link it to the dot-com boom of the 1990s. Really.

Remember those halcyon days when any business plan, however unworkable and unrealistic, could be made to look new and smell mountain-spring-fresh simply by tacking the words "...on the Internet!" on the end of it? Try it. It's like sticking "...in bed!" on the end of a fortune cookie fortune.

The sheer volume of money created on (admittedly two-ply and squeezably soft) paper during that era helped cement an axiom-It all worked oh so much better when it worked online, and when it didn't work online it was the worst thing since sliced Hitler. Like doing stuff online actually  amplified the user experience, for better or worse. (See also: Ubik)

That's what's happening here. People just believe that the online experience reflects the whole user experience, when they're only interacting with one portion of it. Because that's what they grew up hearing.
 
2013-11-01 05:38:07 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: FTComments:Republicans sabotaged it by not obeying the whims and desires of His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Barack Obama Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, SCOAMF, and Last King of Scotland.

Had to google that one, ahem:

1. SCoaMF
Stuttering Clusterfark of a Miserable Failure.
An empty suit propped up by the media reading old tired Marxist tripe from a teleprompter.
A vapid celebrity or politician incapable of originating or uttering a coherent thought without a teleprompter or cue cards.
Someone demonstrably stupid and yet convinced of their own infallibility, even though unable to think or emote.
A politician or celebrity who has no resume, no plan, no clue, and cannot speak without someone telling them what to say.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 300x188]


They forgot "a worthless pile of subhuman garbage what ought to be put out of our country's misery".

/hi NSA guys, what's up?
 
2013-11-01 05:39:08 PM  

ManateeGag: FlashHarry: green? on freeper friday?

according to a different thread, Fark is all pro-Obama, all the time.


And fellatio, fellatio, fellatio!
 
2013-11-01 05:40:31 PM  

havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.


*notsureifserious.jpg*
 
2013-11-01 05:41:40 PM  

odinsposse: havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.

[img.fark.net image 850x617]


But I've been assured repeatedly by my Conservative friends that NO ONE will be allowed to keep their current plan.
 
2013-11-01 05:42:15 PM  
Pants full of macaroni!!:

And fellatio, fellatio, fellatio!

I'm using this website all wrong, apparently
 
2013-11-01 05:43:27 PM  

Corvus: havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.

You have any like actual data to back that up? Or just think repeating something enough makes it true?


C'mon! Everybody knows that repeating something often enough makes it true. The only item in question is have we passed the threshold yet?
 
2013-11-01 05:53:29 PM  

Corvus: Serious Black: I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far, there would be no way to blame the Republican Party for deliberately sabotaging the law, and that law would almost certainly be repealed by the end of 2015.

"crashed and burned" hyperbole much?

You can still sign up by phone and by appointment and the state sites in general have been working fine. California the most populous state in the nation site is doing fine.

Do you think every other federal program "crashed and burned" when the government had no web site for service and you had to call in or go to a building. Medicare didn't have a website, Social Security had no website. Did they "crash and burn" too because their website was non-existent which is much much worse then the shape of the federal exchange site now.


Oh yeah, only a shiat-show in the states with shiatbag government that couldn't be arsed to take already set aside (OK, I'll refrain from free money, but this is as close as you can actually get) money, expand medicare and create an exchange. So, fark you for voting for them - because if you're one of the people biatching up a storm, you're probably someone in a red state that voted for your Republican "leadership" and, I guess, you're getting what you deserve.

Now, all the poor souls who voted against the retards running their Republican states? Sorry, I hope the tide eventually turns in your favor. I'm in the same farking boat.
 
2013-11-01 05:55:32 PM  
Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!
 
2013-11-01 05:56:29 PM  
"Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) said last summer that his office would not provide assistance in signing up for the law. "Given that we come from Kansas," he said, "it's much easier to say, 'Call your former governor," meaning Sebelius. "You say, 'She's the one. She's responsible.'''

And all the idiots in idiotland will clap their hands at his freedom loving hardline stance.

Of course never realizing that his entire reason to be g IS TO FARKING REPRESENT ALL HIS CONSTITUENTS, not just those with (R). WTF.

Entire Republican party has just become nothing more than the party of morons, stupid, and imbeciles. They are becoming a Monty Python joke. Never would have thought of saying this, but the Republican party is now become the greatest threat to this country. There is simply no defense or argument in favor of this Repubtard, he swore an oath, should be lawfully removed from his job.
 
2013-11-01 06:00:09 PM  

odinsposse: havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.

[img.fark.net image 850x617]


Nice. And it goes without saying that the 3% "losers" will eventually need some real insurance instead of the cut-rate scams they have now. They'll BE COVERED and won't go bankrupt, but they'll still hate liberals, "0bama", etc.
 
2013-11-01 06:01:26 PM  
OMG OMG OMG guys you'll never beleive this. Some people don't like what i like. They call Black Jesus SCOAMF or even TFG. We have to alert the DNC and astroturf more.
 
2013-11-01 06:03:22 PM  
Anyone else find it funny that Republicans complain loudest about helping others, but their various forms of obstructionism just hurt them more? They're slapping each other in the head saying it's Obama's fault, and everyone else laughs because we find ways to rise above the derp and still succeed. "Obamah took mah insurance!" Okay, well enjoy not having it, not doing anything to get it, continuing to play the blame game when you get hurt, and watching others thrive.

Best example of that idiocy? "We shouldn't be helping those hippies that didn't get away from that hurricane! Please help me get my cows out of the snow!"
 
2013-11-01 06:05:51 PM  
Triple Oak:

Best example of that idiocy? "We shouldn't be helping those hippies that didn't get away from that hurricane! Please help me get my cows out of the snow!"

Even better? "I don't want them female types ruining my votes, let's change the law! What do you mean, my ID's not valid with the wrong name on it?"
 
2013-11-01 06:05:58 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


WAH!  We can't criticize the President! WAH!
 
2013-11-01 06:11:38 PM  
Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.
 
2013-11-01 06:13:46 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


It-will-actually-save-taxpayer-money-in-the-medium-long term-once-the-bass-ackwards-governors-get-on-board-due-to-electoral-or -financial-pressure-but-you-already-knew-that Man, reporting in!
 
2013-11-01 06:15:02 PM  
And ObamaCare has even lost Jon Stewart. Or at least that is what the media tells me.
Jon's choral response is wonderful.
 
2013-11-01 06:18:19 PM  
Remove old talking point: "There are no problems with the rollout."
Set new talking point: "Republicans caused all these problems with the rollout."
 
2013-11-01 06:20:25 PM  

Serious Black: Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.

Corvus: "crashed and burned" hyperbole much?

You can still sign up by phone and by appointment and the state sites in general have been working fine. California the most populous state in the nation site is doing fine.

Do you think every other federal program "crashed and burned" when the government had no web site for service and you had to call in or go to a building. Medicare didn't have a website, Social Security had no website. Did they "crash and burn" too because their website was non-existent which is much much worse then the shape of the federal exchange site now.

dr_blasto: I'm not sure I'd classify a website shiat-show as the law "crashing and burning" so much as the website being a shiat-show and everything else being pretty much normal.

Yeah, it's hyperbole to say the law is crashing and burning. The healthcare.gov website though...


That is the one thing that should be pointed out, the actual real consequences and upsides of the law probably haven't been felt (since so much of it is yet to be in force) and you can certainly blame the Republicans for undermining it.   The website on the otherhand........unless there is a secret republican technical cabal doing sabotage programming, I'm pretty sure that's all on the executive branch and the contractors.

(Also, let's be honest, one of the reasons that the healthcare law is generally unpopular isn't just Republican derp, though that is a factor, it is a large swath of the center in the country who do certainly want the poor to have health coverage........as long as its someone other than them that is going to ultimately be subsidizing it.  That isn't just a righty right thing, that's the center as well, if you want the law to become more popular you're simply going to have to convince people that subsidizing other people's care is something they should want to do.  I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but the crux of the American center is they'd really like to have an intact social safety net, but they'd really really like to have someone else be incurring new costs for that.)
 
2013-11-01 06:23:09 PM  

Triple Oak: Best example of that idiocy? "We shouldn't be helping those hippies that didn't get away from that hurricane! Please help me get my cows out of the snow!"


It appears that nobody from the North Dakota delegation voted against Sandy relief.  Senator Thune of South Dakota did, however.
 
2013-11-01 06:23:29 PM  

bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.


Now we know the handle of a former writer for "The 1/2 Hour News Hour"
 
2013-11-01 06:23:36 PM  

bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.


What?
 
2013-11-01 06:26:08 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


I was mustered out having served in the "explain the unfunded donut-hole-gap expansion plan" war of the previous administration, sir!
 
2013-11-01 06:26:08 PM  
The state of denial among Democrats about how awful this rollout has actually been amuses me to no end.  Maybe they can keep screwing it up long enough to affect the 2014 elections.
 
2013-11-01 06:26:27 PM  

Mrbogey: Remove old talking point: "There are no problems with the rollout."
Set new talking point: "Republicans caused all these problems with the rollout."


Probably should have been the point from the start... Its been pretty obvious they've been sabotaging it every chance they get... and not letting in any updates... if the standard is everything has to come out perfect from the start of the bill till end of time, every bill has failed...
 
2013-11-01 06:27:23 PM  
I'm totally serious guys we got to get these Teanbaggers because they can't say black people stutter. It's just racist and you can only be racist to your BFFs like Shelly because they won't tell anyone.
 
2013-11-01 06:28:10 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.
 
2013-11-01 06:29:10 PM  
the ACA is great, the first 100,000 or so people saved from bankruptcy will never make conservative news...

it's just the middle class, i mean, who cares about them?
 
2013-11-01 06:30:50 PM  
Dear GOP, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FEIGN OUTRAGE IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN TAKING ANY ACTION TO HELP CORRECT THE PROBLEM.
 
2013-11-01 06:30:56 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.


Isn't perfect?
 
2013-11-01 06:31:31 PM  

Mrbogey: Remove old talking point: "There are no problems with the rollout."
Set new talking point: "Republicans caused all these problems with the rollout."


Contributed is not the same as all. Way to jump to the logical extreme
 
2013-11-01 06:34:25 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?


Right. Isn't that what I said? People are still signing up, it works for some people, but it isn't perfect.

Let's just agree to disagree so we can skip the 50 posts where you feebly attempt to nitpick my word choice.
 
2013-11-01 06:35:56 PM  

Lsherm: The state of denial among Democrats about how awful this rollout has actually been amuses me to no end.  Maybe they can keep screwing it up long enough to affect the 2014 elections.


Lets see...

Less than a quarter of all people get their insurance on the individual market
Most of the high population states have state-run marketplaces that are working fine
Signing up for a plan via the federal marketplace via phone is working fine
The federal marketplace website should be fixed within a month or two
The election is still a long way off and low information voters tend to have short memories

At most, I see a few votes in battleground districts going to Republicans over this.  But by the same token, I see a few votes going to Democrats since the Republicans have received the majority of the blame for the federal shutdown.

So tell me how this is going to have any sort of major effect on the elections?
 
2013-11-01 06:37:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?

Right. Isn't that what I said? People are still signing up, it works for some people, but it isn't perfect.

Let's just agree to disagree so we can skip the 50 posts where you feebly attempt to nitpick my word choice.


You're right. Anything that is less than perfect isn't perfect. Like the Hindenburg and used condoms.
 
2013-11-01 06:40:35 PM  
The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?
 
2013-11-01 06:44:52 PM  

udhq: Dear GOP, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FEIGN OUTRAGE IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN TAKING ANY ACTION TO HELP CORRECT THE PROBLEM.


Right I mean the Teabaggers should all chip in and start coding dang it.
 
2013-11-01 06:48:11 PM  

skullkrusher: Anything that is less than perfect isn't perfect.


dear penthouse

TIL
 
2013-11-01 06:50:06 PM  

bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.


Important: in this episode of "day in the life of bestie1," are Tiffany and Shelly hot? Do you have any pictures of them doing squats in the gym?
 
2013-11-01 06:50:32 PM  
I totally can't code because I'm going on vacation but Shelly's ex-boyfriend used to work at the Apple store in the mall and I'm sure he could help out too.
 
2013-11-01 06:54:26 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?


I think the website qualifies as sh*t-show. But, it is only a tiny part of the overall deal. Unfortunately for the rollout, it has become the face of the plan in general.
 
2013-11-01 06:56:20 PM  

dr_blasto: bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.

Important: in this episode of "day in the life of bestie1," are Tiffany and Shelly hot? Do you have any pictures of them doing squats in the gym?


Shelly is a total pig but don't tell her I said that.  She thinks the her thighs are getting smaller because she does cardio but like I told her: you have to do more than five minutes on the stair master for it to help.  Tiffany was hot if you can deal her being black and all.  As long as she doesn't talk because the whole stutter thing is so not cool.
 
2013-11-01 06:56:29 PM  

coffeeplease: The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?


The website should only have pointed you to your state exchange. The fact that Republican governors are a bunch of shiat-for-brains is a contributing factor to the overall suck that is healthcare.gov.

Pointing fingers at the tard-brigade of teabaggers is perfectly proper.
 
2013-11-01 06:57:09 PM  

bestie1: dr_blasto: bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.

Important: in this episode of "day in the life of bestie1," are Tiffany and Shelly hot? Do you have any pictures of them doing squats in the gym?

Shelly is a total pig but don't tell her I said that.  She thinks the her thighs are getting smaller because she does cardio but like I told her: you have to do more than five minutes on the stair master for it to help.  Tiffany was hot if you can deal her being black and all.  As long as she doesn't talk because the whole stutter thing is so not cool.


Pics or GTFO.

Also: no pics of Shelly.
 
2013-11-01 07:08:45 PM  
The problem with the central thesis of this article is that Republicans have had little to no impact - they couldn't, really - on anything relating to Obamacare's authorization since it was passed.  Yes, we've opposed it. Yes, the House has voted 40+ times to repeal it.  But in the end, other than the Supreme Court's striking down of the provisions that coerced states into accepting the expansion, it remains unchanged from what was passed (other than a handful of technical corrections).

On the funding side, that there were no dedicated funds was not specific to Obamacare - it was the result of not passing any kind of appropriations bills in a timely manner.  That was the fault of both House and Senate being unable to find a compromise on spending.  Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago. This is a federal program, after all - it's not the states' responsibility to advertise it.

In the end, the failures of Obamacare - on the messaging front, on the website, and the fact that folks are unhappy right now - is squarely on the Administration.  Trying to throw blame around - especially on Republicans who have had the real power to do next to nothing to impact it - is just spin.
 
2013-11-01 07:13:38 PM  

Lsherm: The state of denial among Democrats about how awful this rollout has actually been amuses me to no end.  Maybe they can keep screwing it up long enough to affect the 2014 elections.


They've already seem to have pivoted from "it's great" to "it only sucks because of those mean republicans"

As problems continue in coming years expect "yeah of course it sucks, we should have gone with single payer!"
 
2013-11-01 07:16:02 PM  

dr_blasto: bestie1: dr_blasto: bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.

Important: in this episode of "day in the life of bestie1," are Tiffany and Shelly hot? Do you have any pictures of them doing squats in the gym?

Shelly is a total pig but don't tell her I said that.  She thinks the her thighs are getting smaller because she does cardio but like I told her: you have to do more than five minutes on the stair master for it to help.  Tiffany was hot if you can deal her being black and all.  As long as she doesn't talk because the whole stutter thing is so not cool.

Pics or GTFO.

Also: no pics of Shelly.


Sorry I can't find any pics of Tey Tey but if you post your email or phone number I can let her know on Monday when I'm at the gym.
 
2013-11-01 07:23:26 PM  
Man, the irony was juuust missed, if that percentage could have been 1% instead of 3.
 
2013-11-01 07:28:00 PM  

DeltaXi65: The problem with the central thesis of this article is that Republicans have had little to no impact - they couldn't, really - on anything relating to Obamacare's authorization since it was passed.  Yes, we've opposed it. Yes, the House has voted 40+ times to repeal it.  But in the end, other than the Supreme Court's striking down of the provisions that coerced states into accepting the expansion, it remains unchanged from what was passed (other than a handful of technical corrections).

On the funding side, that there were no dedicated funds was not specific to Obamacare - it was the result of not passing any kind of appropriations bills in a timely manner.  That was the fault of both House and Senate being unable to find a compromise on spending.  Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago. This is a federal program, after all - it's not the states' responsibility to advertise it.

In the end, the failures of Obamacare - on the messaging front, on the website, and the fact that folks are unhappy right now - is squarely on the Administration.  Trying to throw blame around - especially on Republicans who have had the real power to do next to nothing to impact it - is just spin.


You're right. The Republicans did nothing, especially those governors that could have taken the funding to expand Medicaid and who could have set up state exchanges for their constituency but chose not to because ShariaBonghit Obummer is a SOCIALIST SATAN!!!!
 
2013-11-01 07:28:08 PM  

DeltaXi65: Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago.


It could also be said that they failed to put in the proper budget and time allotments with relation to the number of states that would end up using the federal system.  When they passed the bill, they had lower estimates on the number of states that would participate in the federal marketplace.  Since it was impossible to add more time or money after the fact, they kinda hamstrung themselves.
 
2013-11-01 07:28:39 PM  

dr_blasto: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?

I think the website qualifies as sh*t-show. But, it is only a tiny part of the overall deal. Unfortunately for the rollout, it has become the face of the plan in general.


Yep
 
2013-11-01 07:30:40 PM  

dr_blasto: coffeeplease: The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?

The website should only have pointed you to your state exchange. The fact that Republican governors are a bunch of shiat-for-brains is a contributing factor to the overall suck that is healthcare.gov.

Pointing fingers at the tard-brigade of teabaggers is perfectly proper.


I checked the NY site yesterday and it warned about missing data from the fed servers
 
2013-11-01 07:32:55 PM  

dr_blasto: coffeeplease: The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?

The website should only have pointed you to your state exchange. The fact that Republican governors are a bunch of shiat-for-brains is a contributing factor to the overall suck that is healthcare.gov.

Pointing fingers at the tard-brigade of teabaggers is perfectly proper.


Irony?
 
2013-11-01 07:34:11 PM  
While I understand the sentiment, this presupposes an opinion of the Republican Party's organization and forward thinking that I can't possibly give them credit for.
 
2013-11-01 07:36:05 PM  
FTA: "To the undisputed reasons for Obamacare's rocky rollout - a balky website, muddied White House messaging and sudden sticker shock for individuals forced to buy more expensive health insurance"

While there are many good points, the article fails in the first sentence. Unmitigated bullshiat.
 
2013-11-01 07:41:10 PM  

andersoncouncil42: FTA: "To the undisputed reasons for Obamacare's rocky rollout - a balky website, muddied White House messaging and sudden sticker shock for individuals forced to buy more expensive health insurance"

While there are many good points, the article fails in the first sentence. Unmitigated bullshiat.


Well, I suppose if you refuse to take subsidies it could be true. It would also be entirely your fault, but since when have the Teabaggers been known for personal responsibility?
 
2013-11-01 07:42:17 PM  

qorkfiend: andersoncouncil42: FTA: "To the undisputed reasons for Obamacare's rocky rollout - a balky website, muddied White House messaging and sudden sticker shock for individuals forced to buy more expensive health insurance"

While there are many good points, the article fails in the first sentence. Unmitigated bullshiat.

Well, I suppose if you refuse to take subsidies it could be true. It would also be entirely your fault, but since when have the Teabaggers been known for personal responsibility?


I suppose I should clarify that by "you", I did not mean andersoncouncil42; my apologies for any offense.
 
2013-11-01 07:50:59 PM  

havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.


If by "real story" you mean "complete fiction", sure.
 
2013-11-01 07:56:51 PM  

Corvus: havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.

You have any like actual data to back that up? Or just think repeating something enough makes it true?


My brother's best friends grandmother's next door neighbor tried to buy FartBongoCommieCare with a two dollar bill, and the assistant manager called mall security.
 
2013-11-01 07:57:33 PM  

qorkfiend: andersoncouncil42: FTA: "To the undisputed reasons for Obamacare's rocky rollout - a balky website, muddied White House messaging and sudden sticker shock for individuals forced to buy more expensive health insurance"

While there are many good points, the article fails in the first sentence. Unmitigated bullshiat.

Well, I suppose if you refuse to take subsidies it could be true. It would also be entirely your fault, but since when have the Teabaggers been known for personal responsibility?


Or don't qualify for them or don't qualify for enough to offset the difference
 
2013-11-01 07:58:32 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


I promise, I'll never vote for him again.
 
2013-11-01 08:01:29 PM  

jso2897: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

I promise, I'll never vote for him again.


But ACORN is still going to vote for him with seventeen fraudulent pimp votes for every real american vote, so he'll be president forever!
 
2013-11-01 08:53:01 PM  

bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-01 09:20:05 PM  
 
2013-11-01 09:23:08 PM  
I'm waiting for the first story about Republican operatives getting busted for trying to hack the system.
 
2013-11-01 09:29:46 PM  
FlashHarry:

I made a bet with myself that this would be first. I won... And lost.
 
2013-11-01 09:32:29 PM  

tira: While I understand the sentiment, this presupposes an opinion of the Republican Party's organization and forward thinking that I can't possibly give them credit for.


You don't need forward thinking to wreck things.

Their entire plan is:

1) Break government.
2) Complain that government doesn't work.
3) Blame Obama.
 
2013-11-01 10:17:04 PM  
Okay. I'll try to lay this out as even-handedly as I can. Will you listen? Will you put aside the partisan derp, for a few moments? Okay.

First, today I learned Cletus C. is a human being. In all the years I've been Farking... I'm not sure I've seen a post like that, not even during Weaver's slow transformation. So... thank you for reminding me that no matter what our partisan differences, if we're patriots and are willing to think, even if we're deeply divided by politics, and even if we disagree on almost anything, we can agree on some things.

Second, the administration has to answer some questions about Healthcare.gov. Secretary Sebelius and President Obama need to answer for what's happened. Now, they've both said that they're willing to take responsibility, and considering their past actions I'm willing to accept that. But it actually has to admit responsibility.

Third, while the administration bears responsibility and needs to answer for the failures at healthcare.gov, we need to keep perspective.Few government programs have a perfect initial rollout. Can you name a government program that has been perfect the first time out? There's a reason we turn to government when other approaches fail; I know some of Fark's more socialist Farkers will disagree, but the default position, I think, should generally be to employ the free market when we can. In this case, the free market as it has been failed us. Medicare Part D had a bad rollout; Social Security had an imperfect rollout; Medicare was seriously threatened in its first decade; the Earned Income Tax Credit is still dealing with issues. Remember, we passed the Affordable Care Act because the market was broken. I have always maintained that the ACA was not my first choice, that single-payer or a public option have always been demonstrably more efficient... but by God the health care market was broken and the country needed help.

Fourth, you don't have to excuse the administration to identify where Republicans have failed to be patriots. Republican governors refused to expand Medicaid specifically to harm Democrats and the poor. They refused to set up state exchanges specifically to harm Democrats and the poor. In my own state, it was only the governor's decision to stop being a useless farktard for a moment and override the state senate that allowed my state to set up an exchange... an exchange which was working just fine within a week and a half of the start of the sign-up period. Republicans have refused to allow Democrats to even bring to a vote a bill to fix a provision in the law that unintentionally have harmed pastors across the country - despite that it is harming people in God's work - for no other reason than it hates Obama. So don't tell me Republicans don't bear a lot of responsibility for this. Democrats might have reached, and failed, but Republicans are actively trying to make it fail by hurting anyone they can. There is no equivalency here. No "both sides are the same." They are actively trying to do evil.

Fifth, for all that the ACA was our last hope, the authors had the foresight (rare in our modern government, so this is no small praise) to know that the initial rollout would be bumpy. So now we have five whole months to sign up for health insurance before we no longer get our tax benefit. Five whole months. There are many people who have gotten married in less time, and people are giving the government crap for not getting everything completely fixed in less than a third of the available time? Relax.

I'll thank President Obama, the non-useless Democrats in Congress, and the Heritage Foundation (much to their chagrin) for making it possible for me to be insured when two years ago (despite having only the mildest of pre-existing conditions) I couldn't buy insurance. I'll thank them for helping my Tea Party-loving uncle stop pretending to be part of a union (the worst thing possible for a life-long Republican) and get insurance on the exchanges for his family. Things don't have to be perfect or even to start off on the right foot to be good. So take off your partisan blinders for a second and celebrate the fact that despite failure - failure which must be answered - we are trying to fix our broken health system.
 
2013-11-01 10:22:32 PM  

bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.


www.memoryedge.com
 
2013-11-01 11:02:03 PM  

Dinjiin: DeltaXi65: Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago.

It could also be said that they failed to put in the proper budget and time allotments with relation to the number of states that would end up using the federal system.  When they passed the bill, they had lower estimates on the number of states that would participate in the federal marketplace.  Since it was impossible to add more time or money after the fact, they kinda hamstrung themselves.


Right. The law as originally written had both carrots and sticks to get the states to opt in and not use the federal exchanges.  Once the Supreme Court struck down the sticks as being unconstitutional coersion, that resulted in far more states than anyone expected opting out.  At that point, it was too late to fix the problem because the House had flipped.
 
2013-11-01 11:06:55 PM  

captainktainer: Fourth, you don't have to excuse the administration to identify where Republicans have failed to be patriots. Republican governors refused to expand Medicaid specifically to harm Democrats and the poor.


That's ridiculous, on it's face.  The reason why many Republican governors have refused to expand Medicaid has nothing to do with harming the poor.  They recognize that the expansion locks them in to the Federally mandated guidelines for eligibility, and while the federal government will pay for all of the difference in cost between the existing eligibility criteria and the expanded criteria, that amount drops down to 90% in the out years, and there is nothing to stop Congress from changing that allocation down the road, either.  At that point, states will be locked in and will have to make up the difference through their own general funds.

Since many states have balanced budget requirements, that means either those states raise taxes - and they'll have to raise them on everybody, not just the rich - or they'll have to cut the largest programs in most state budgets, which are education, welfare benefits and public safety.  This isn't a cut and dried "they didn't do this because they're evil" kind of argument. There are very valid arguments as to why it's a bad idea to accept the medicaid expansion, and many of those arguments include protecting the poor, not hurting them.  The working poor are most hard hit by state tax increases, public services cuts, and the like.
 
2013-11-01 11:07:11 PM  
If everyone would just shutthef*ckup for about a month, most likely the problems would sort themselves out, like the last release of Windows.
 
2013-11-01 11:16:50 PM  

Gyrfalcon: If everyone would just shutthef*ckup for about a month, most likely the problems would sort themselves out, like the last release of Windows.


winblow$$$
 
2013-11-01 11:52:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: If everyone would just shutthef*ckup for about a month, most likely the problems would sort themselves out, like the last release of Windows.


Windows ME?
Vista?
Windows 8?

None of those were truly fixed...it was the next version that fixed them.

So, it's the Republican's fault.  Color me shocked that they'd get blamed since the Obama administration is held blameless for anything.  The GOP sucks and all, but seriously...own up to your mistakes just once.

My buddy is a high end developer in the Bay area...and he was amazed that NONE of the big companies that build highly scalable applications were consulted for healthcare.gov.  Not Google, Not Oracle, Not Facebook...none of them.  And if they were asked, any of them could have done it right for a lot less.
 
2013-11-01 11:56:39 PM  
ya think?
 
2013-11-02 12:02:31 AM  

slayer199: Gyrfalcon: If everyone would just shutthef*ckup for about a month, most likely the problems would sort themselves out, like the last release of Windows.

Windows ME?
Vista?
Windows 8?

None of those were truly fixed...it was the next version that fixed them.

So, it's the Republican's fault.  Color me shocked that they'd get blamed since the Obama administration is held blameless for anything.  The GOP sucks and all, but seriously...own up to your mistakes just once.

My buddy is a high end developer in the Bay area...and he was amazed that NONE of the big companies that build highly scalable applications were consulted for healthcare.gov.  Not Google, Not Oracle, Not Facebook...none of them.  And if they were asked, any of them could have done it right for a lot less.


Could they have done it right?  Yes.
Could they have done it for a lot less? Yes
Would they have done it for a lot less? Not a chance in hell.

Also, they would've needed more time..........honestly though I'd love to see what the usecases for the system design were, and more importantly their testing matrix.
 
2013-11-02 12:10:49 AM  

SamFlagg: Also, they would've needed more time..........honestly though I'd love to see what the usecases for the system design were, and more importantly their testing matrix.


What testing?  :)
 
2013-11-02 12:20:20 AM  

slayer199: SamFlagg: Also, they would've needed more time..........honestly though I'd love to see what the usecases for the system design were, and more importantly their testing matrix.

What testing?  :)


You know, by testers.

Not developers of course, everyone knows that developers don't have to test their code.
 
2013-11-02 12:44:12 AM  
Teabagger: "Helping with coding? HELL yeah, deal me in! Conservtives are SMRT"

/breaks out the microsoft word and wants to know why clippy doesn't have an "implement health care for 26 recalcitrant states" button
 
2013-11-02 12:51:10 AM  

SamFlagg: You know, by testers.

Not developers of course, everyone knows that developers don't have to test their code.


Wow, what an amazing concept.  I'm a Systems Engineer (VMware).  All I know is that devs HATE testing (it's always the server, network, etc...that's the problem), but they hate getting negative feedback from everyone when their code breaks.  Apparently, that's not a problem if you're a government contractor and you've already got paid.

Wiki has a pretty detailed article on something called software testing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_testing

It seems like that may catch on someday.
 
2013-11-02 12:58:53 AM  

slayer199: SamFlagg: You know, by testers.

Not developers of course, everyone knows that developers don't have to test their code.

Wow, what an amazing concept.  I'm a Systems Engineer (VMware).  All I know is that devs HATE testing (it's always the server, network, etc...that's the problem), but they hate getting negative feedback from everyone when their code breaks.  Apparently, that's not a problem if you're a government contractor and you've already got paid.

Wiki has a pretty detailed article on something called software testing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_testing

It seems like that may catch on someday.


Pssh as if.  All I know is when I put something in a use case, it's really just a suggestion.  Even if I use the word 'requirement'
 
2013-11-02 01:25:59 AM  
 
2013-11-02 01:50:52 AM  
But settle down and realize that,aside from having a football team which will in all likelihood go Bowling, DOOK SUCKS!
 
2013-11-02 03:06:25 AM  

havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates COVERAGE for just about everyone else.


FTFY

The lower rates you might have been paying [citation needed] were for a piece of paper from Billy Bob's Insurance and Feed Store, and not for real insurance... you know, the kind that actually HELPS YOU when you are sick or injured. You have been scammed every time you wrote that premium check, and yet that is not what you're angry about.

Do you like getting f*cked by corporations?
 
2013-11-02 03:46:34 AM  

Cletus C.: If Republicans were truly out to undermine the ACA they would have tried to kill it through legislation, legal action or run a presidential candidate who promised to kill it.

So, this is obviously more left-wing propaganda.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-02 03:49:56 AM  

Cletus C.: Gyrfalcon: Cletus C.: If Republicans were truly out to undermine the ACA they would have tried to kill it through legislation, legal action or run a presidential candidate who promised to kill it.

So, this is obviously more left-wing propaganda.

You mean like they did?

Oh come on. I'm not that bad.

I saw my father lose his job, start his own business with no health coverage and suffer an illness that racked up hundreds of thousands in medical bills. I saw the stress of those bills exacerbate his medical problems and I watched him die.

A proud, successful man most of his life and a health care system in this country that left him behind. A disgrace. I knew that farked up system needed fixing but I saw politicians screeching about "socialized medicine" every time attempts were made. And I saw special interests step up to kill every attempt to fix it.

It should never have been that way with my father and wouldn't have been if the ACA were in effect when he was alive. So, I will poke fun at the failures with healthcare.gov and challenge the blindly faithful when they defend any and all flaws, but I will not, ever, criticize the good intentions of the ACA. Those are good, patriotic and necessary. And I will not, ever, root for its failure.

This message has been brought to you by me. Don't ever make me act this way again.


OH CRAP DUDE.

I'm sorry :(
 
2013-11-02 03:58:36 AM  

Gyrfalcon: If everyone would just shutthef*ckup for about a month, most likely the problems would sort themselves out, like the last release of Windows.


A month? I won't be judging ACA until this time next year, and will base that judgment on facts I've verified FOR MYSELF - not based on the screechings of "Wolf!!" from people who have only been able to show me toy poodles or nothing when they have screeched wolf in the past.
It's like we have become an "instant gratification" society - are there no adults left?
 
2013-11-02 04:59:59 AM  

slayer199: SamFlagg: Also, they would've needed more time..........honestly though I'd love to see what the usecases for the system design were, and more importantly their testing matrix.

What testing?  :)


Well, you know the REAL problem with the ACA site is that, even though it was created by the Obama administration is that it was still created by...the government. Which is still the government. Which can't do anything right the first time no matter who's sitting in the Oval Office. Really, the miracle is that healthcare.gov works as well as it DOES.

You know as well as I do that what we're seeing now isn't so much "rollout" as 'beta testing". In fact, if you think of this past month as beta testing, it's actually just about on track for a 2014 release date.
 
2013-11-02 05:09:48 AM  

mr lawson: [pbs.twimg.com image 601x601]

bahahhahahahahahahah!!!!!


Why is it that only right-wingers are so butthurt over this?

I haven't seen a single Obama supporter here react with anything other than understanding while continuing to pledge that ACA is still a good idea.

Just pointing that out. Bonus: you don't get any points defending douchebags. I believe they call that "useful idiocy."
 
2013-11-02 07:38:52 AM  

DeltaXi65: That's ridiculous, on it's face.  The reason why many Republican governors have refused to expand Medicaid has nothing to do with harming the poor.


That's right. Nothing at all to do with harming the poor.
 
2013-11-02 08:15:10 AM  

whidbey: I haven't seen a single Obama supporter here react with anything other than understanding while continuing to pledge that ACA is still a good idea.


That constitutes fellatio on the part of Libturds.  SLURP SLURP SLURP!
 
2013-11-02 09:33:08 AM  

whidbey: mr lawson: [pbs.twimg.com image 601x601]

bahahhahahahahahahah!!!!!

Why is it that only right-wingers are so butthurt over this?

I haven't seen a single Obama supporter here react with anything other than understanding while continuing to pledge that ACA is still a good idea.

Just pointing that out. Bonus: you don't get any points defending douchebags. I believe they call that "useful idiocy."


You haven't seen any Obama supporter do anything but downplay the dictionary definition cluster fark that's been the website's rollout and this is somehow meaningful for you?
Well, first of all, that's not true. Those Dems who remember what dignity smells like have been honest. Those of them like you utterly lack any self respect or honesty and hence the spin. Glad I could explain that for you HURR DURR BUTTHURT I CAN HAZ OBVIOUS EXPLANATIONS

Farking dope
 
2013-11-02 09:39:31 AM  
Wow we sure do have a lot of this thread
 
2013-11-02 09:49:45 AM  

Gyrfalcon: If everyone would just shutthef*ckup for about a month, most likely the problems would sort themselves out, like the last release of Windows.


Why not wait another month before rolling it out?
 
2013-11-02 11:29:06 AM  
The site\roll out failed for two distinct related reasons.. requirement changes right up to the last minute and lack of testing ( a universal problem in software ). You can't just willy nilly change requirements a couple weeks out and expect for things to roll out as expected. There is far far too much reliance on user testing in software these days... I've fought for 5 years for my company to hire one QA person.. one, just one please? Our users shouldn't be finding bugs. we should find the bugs first, and fix them before the users ever see them.

//gah..  you guys just had to get me going on this. ok. rant off.
 
2013-11-02 12:35:28 PM  
Cletus C.:

This message has been brought to you by me. Don't ever make me act this way again.

Sometimes your postings seem "not sure if troll", but they are never derp and sometimes just plain insightful, so I am compelled to favorite you.  Still undecided if color scheme should indicate "smart troll" or "reasonable conservative".  Somehow I feel you will consider this some sort of success.
 
2013-11-02 01:02:58 PM  

incendi: DeltaXi65: That's ridiculous, on it's face.  The reason why many Republican governors have refused to expand Medicaid has nothing to do with harming the poor.

That's right. Nothing at all to do with harming the poor.


That article says nothing about harming the poor.
 
2013-11-02 01:08:52 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-11-02 01:33:39 PM  

Mrbogey: Remove old talking point: "There are no problems with the rollout."


Seriously? I mean... seriously?  I've been following this story in the news and here on Fark since the first day, and I have not seen even one single person say "There are no problems with the rollout." Not one.

What on god's earth would make you spout such an obvious, transparent, and utterly moronic lie? I mean, holy shiat, that's the stupidest thing I've seen you post in days. There is just no way you're not trolling, and even if you aren't, you're just too goddamned dumb to take seriously. Henceforth, you will be known to me as "The stupidest person on FarK. Congratulations, and you're welcome
 
2013-11-02 01:36:32 PM  

skullkrusher: bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.

What?


Just put him on ignore. I've had him flagged as " 'teenage girl with a black friend' gimmick troll " for years
 
2013-11-02 02:19:20 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Mrbogey: Remove old talking point: "There are no problems with the rollout."

Seriously? I mean... seriously?  I've been following this story in the news and here on Fark since the first day, and I have not seen even one single person say "There are no problems with the rollout." Not one.

What on god's earth would make you spout such an obvious, transparent, and utterly moronic lie? I mean, holy shiat, that's the stupidest thing I've seen you post in days. There is just no way you're not trolling, and even if you aren't, you're just too goddamned dumb to take seriously. Henceforth, you will be known to me as "The stupidest person on FarK. Congratulations, and you're welcome



Better/Worse drugs than I have.
 
2013-11-02 02:22:37 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: What on god's earth would make you spout such an obvious, transparent, and utterly moronic lie?


Obama derangement syndrome.
 
2013-11-02 02:39:19 PM  
Ya know what really frosts my balls? Obama has said before, during, and AFTER this law went into effect that people who were happy with their plan could keep it. And it's just simply NOT TRUE no matter HOW anyone tries to spin it. The latest spin is, "What he meant was if your previous plan was equal to or better than the lowest cost ACA plan you could keep it." So my question is, why the hell didn't he say that in the FIRST place? And why does he KEEP omitting that disclaimer to this very day?
 
2013-11-02 02:58:46 PM  
A thinking person can only come to one of two conclusions;

1:  He's got no clue about what's going on with his 'signature' law.
2:  He doesn't care about anyone other than himself, can't admit he may have made a mistake, and f-u because he knows what's better for you than YOU do.  And he'll lie his ass off as long as he needs to in order to prove it to you!

Friggin' dopey libs.  Someone even made a comment earlier today that us baby-boomers can't die fast enough.  Well guess what?  When we're all gone, who's gonna support you?  Not the poor, they can't.  And not the rich (since they don't pay any taxes, right?)  So who?  Certainly not your own fat 'entitled' asses.
 
2013-11-02 04:22:35 PM  
FTFA: "Congress authorized no funds for federal 'fallback' exchanges," the Tea Party Patriots website noted as long ago as last December. "So Washington may not be able to impose exchanges on states at all." The group went on to suggest that since Washington was not equipped to handle so many state exchanges, "both financially and otherwise - this means the entire law could implode on itself."

So basically if they couldn't kill the ACA with the required number of votes their Plan B was to opt out state by state in order to overload the Federal exchanges just so they could point to the rocky roll out and claim failure?

Hoping for failure is a type of hope, I guess.

 ...a less acknowledged cause

For now that's true at least as far as the corporate media goes.

I still hold that over time history will not judge kindly the people who actively worked to make life tougher than it need or should be for their fellow citizens by fighting this baby step towards progress every inch of the way.
 
2013-11-02 04:41:55 PM  
mr lawson:
img.fark.net


That's a really amusing image, and I'd actually laugh at it and share it on facebook (even though I'm a liberal) if it said "Healthcare.gov."

As it stands however, it comes across as just enough of a douche-y dishonest right wing attempt to conflate "healthcare.gov" with the entirety of the "affordable care act", that it kills the humor.

It's ta fantastic example of why conservatives can't do comedy. They always have to take a step too far into anger or "messaging" and let their desire to oversell a stance ruin the joke.
 
2013-11-02 05:08:36 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Seriously? I mean... seriously? I've been following this story in the news and here on Fark since the first day, and I have not seen even one single person say "There are no problems with the rollout." Not one.


I'm sorry to hear about your blindness. Luckily the text-to-speech software is pretty damn good though.
 
2013-11-02 05:30:49 PM  

slayer199: Wow, what an amazing concept.  I'm a Systems Engineer (VMware).  All I know is that devs HATE testing (it's always the server, network, etc...that's the problem), but they hate getting negative feedback from everyone when their code breaks.  Apparently, that's not a problem if you're a government contractor and you've already got paid.


Actually, we're fine with testing.  It's just that management tends to remove it from the  schedule to get the system "finished" on schedule.
 
2013-11-02 07:32:26 PM  

Mrbogey: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Seriously? I mean... seriously? I've been following this story in the news and here on Fark since the first day, and I have not seen even one single person say "There are no problems with the rollout." Not one.

I'm sorry to hear about your blindness. Luckily the text-to-speech software is pretty damn good though.


Blindness? You're the one who made the stupid claim, but I notice that when I call you out on it you toss out insults instead of citations. I mean, since it's so very common, I'm sure you can easily provide four or five examples of people saying that. And before you start whining about "OMFGBBQ your moving the goalposts", realize that I'm not asking you to refute any claim you may think I've made --  I'm asking you to support the incredibly stupid one you made. I think four or five examples of people saying "There are no problems with the rollout." would be pretty strong evidence that you aren't completely full of shiat
 
2013-11-02 09:46:53 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Mrbogey: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Seriously? I mean... seriously? I've been following this story in the news and here on Fark since the first day, and I have not seen even one single person say "There are no problems with the rollout." Not one.

I'm sorry to hear about your blindness. Luckily the text-to-speech software is pretty damn good though.

Blindness? You're the one who made the stupid claim, but I notice that when I call you out on it you toss out insults instead of citations.


I mocked your silly statement. You'll live.

I just don't feel like going through one of the dozens of threads to dig out some poster talking about how everything is fine when you'll just ignore it.

I'm tired of dealing with the derpish demand made by people who haven't the strength of character to realize they should have committed seppuku long ago for their blunders.

Deal with it.
 
2013-11-02 10:02:48 PM  

Mrbogey: I got nothin',
Deal with it.

 
2013-11-02 11:06:55 PM  

DeltaXi65: captainktainer: Fourth, you don't have to excuse the administration to identify where Republicans have failed to be patriots. Republican governors refused to expand Medicaid specifically to harm Democrats and the poor.

That's ridiculous, on it's face.  The reason why many Republican governors have refused to expand Medicaid has nothing to do with harming the poor.  They recognize that the expansion locks them in to the Federally mandated guidelines for eligibility, and while the federal government will pay for all of the difference in cost between the existing eligibility criteria and the expanded criteria, that amount drops down to 90% in the out years, and there is nothing to stop Congress from changing that allocation down the road, either.  At that point, states will be locked in and will have to make up the difference through their own general funds.

Since many states have balanced budget requirements, that means either those states raise taxes - and they'll have to raise them on everybody, not just the rich - or they'll have to cut the largest programs in most state budgets, which are education, welfare benefits and public safety.  This isn't a cut and dried "they didn't do this because they're evil" kind of argument. There are very valid arguments as to why it's a bad idea to accept the medicaid expansion, and many of those arguments include protecting the poor, not hurting them.  The working poor are most hard hit by state tax increases, public services cuts, and the like.


It does not matter which way you slice it the Republicans still screwed the poorer people in their states by refusing the medicaid expansion. It was a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. The problem is is that Republicans chose the option with much more negative PR.
 
2013-11-03 03:13:24 AM  

Mrbogey: Deal with it.


Say it:

I, Mrbogey have no real complaint against ACA or the Web site. I am butthurt that the Democrats reformed the health care system. This is a threat against my interests, ultimately, because I support a nation of uninsured Americans.

Do it.
 
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