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2013-11-01 05:55:32 PM  
Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!
 
2013-11-01 05:56:29 PM  
"Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) said last summer that his office would not provide assistance in signing up for the law. "Given that we come from Kansas," he said, "it's much easier to say, 'Call your former governor," meaning Sebelius. "You say, 'She's the one. She's responsible.'''

And all the idiots in idiotland will clap their hands at his freedom loving hardline stance.

Of course never realizing that his entire reason to be g IS TO FARKING REPRESENT ALL HIS CONSTITUENTS, not just those with (R). WTF.

Entire Republican party has just become nothing more than the party of morons, stupid, and imbeciles. They are becoming a Monty Python joke. Never would have thought of saying this, but the Republican party is now become the greatest threat to this country. There is simply no defense or argument in favor of this Repubtard, he swore an oath, should be lawfully removed from his job.
 
2013-11-01 06:00:09 PM  

odinsposse: havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.

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Nice. And it goes without saying that the 3% "losers" will eventually need some real insurance instead of the cut-rate scams they have now. They'll BE COVERED and won't go bankrupt, but they'll still hate liberals, "0bama", etc.
 
2013-11-01 06:01:26 PM  
OMG OMG OMG guys you'll never beleive this. Some people don't like what i like. They call Black Jesus SCOAMF or even TFG. We have to alert the DNC and astroturf more.
 
2013-11-01 06:03:22 PM  
Anyone else find it funny that Republicans complain loudest about helping others, but their various forms of obstructionism just hurt them more? They're slapping each other in the head saying it's Obama's fault, and everyone else laughs because we find ways to rise above the derp and still succeed. "Obamah took mah insurance!" Okay, well enjoy not having it, not doing anything to get it, continuing to play the blame game when you get hurt, and watching others thrive.

Best example of that idiocy? "We shouldn't be helping those hippies that didn't get away from that hurricane! Please help me get my cows out of the snow!"
 
2013-11-01 06:05:51 PM  
Triple Oak:

Best example of that idiocy? "We shouldn't be helping those hippies that didn't get away from that hurricane! Please help me get my cows out of the snow!"

Even better? "I don't want them female types ruining my votes, let's change the law! What do you mean, my ID's not valid with the wrong name on it?"
 
2013-11-01 06:05:58 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


WAH!  We can't criticize the President! WAH!
 
2013-11-01 06:11:38 PM  
Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.
 
2013-11-01 06:13:46 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


It-will-actually-save-taxpayer-money-in-the-medium-long term-once-the-bass-ackwards-governors-get-on-board-due-to-electoral-or -financial-pressure-but-you-already-knew-that Man, reporting in!
 
2013-11-01 06:15:02 PM  
And ObamaCare has even lost Jon Stewart. Or at least that is what the media tells me.
Jon's choral response is wonderful.
 
2013-11-01 06:18:19 PM  
Remove old talking point: "There are no problems with the rollout."
Set new talking point: "Republicans caused all these problems with the rollout."
 
2013-11-01 06:20:25 PM  

Serious Black: Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.

Corvus: "crashed and burned" hyperbole much?

You can still sign up by phone and by appointment and the state sites in general have been working fine. California the most populous state in the nation site is doing fine.

Do you think every other federal program "crashed and burned" when the government had no web site for service and you had to call in or go to a building. Medicare didn't have a website, Social Security had no website. Did they "crash and burn" too because their website was non-existent which is much much worse then the shape of the federal exchange site now.

dr_blasto: I'm not sure I'd classify a website shiat-show as the law "crashing and burning" so much as the website being a shiat-show and everything else being pretty much normal.

Yeah, it's hyperbole to say the law is crashing and burning. The healthcare.gov website though...


That is the one thing that should be pointed out, the actual real consequences and upsides of the law probably haven't been felt (since so much of it is yet to be in force) and you can certainly blame the Republicans for undermining it.   The website on the otherhand........unless there is a secret republican technical cabal doing sabotage programming, I'm pretty sure that's all on the executive branch and the contractors.

(Also, let's be honest, one of the reasons that the healthcare law is generally unpopular isn't just Republican derp, though that is a factor, it is a large swath of the center in the country who do certainly want the poor to have health coverage........as long as its someone other than them that is going to ultimately be subsidizing it.  That isn't just a righty right thing, that's the center as well, if you want the law to become more popular you're simply going to have to convince people that subsidizing other people's care is something they should want to do.  I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but the crux of the American center is they'd really like to have an intact social safety net, but they'd really really like to have someone else be incurring new costs for that.)
 
2013-11-01 06:23:09 PM  

Triple Oak: Best example of that idiocy? "We shouldn't be helping those hippies that didn't get away from that hurricane! Please help me get my cows out of the snow!"


It appears that nobody from the North Dakota delegation voted against Sandy relief.  Senator Thune of South Dakota did, however.
 
2013-11-01 06:23:29 PM  

bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.


Now we know the handle of a former writer for "The 1/2 Hour News Hour"
 
2013-11-01 06:23:36 PM  

bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.


What?
 
2013-11-01 06:26:08 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


I was mustered out having served in the "explain the unfunded donut-hole-gap expansion plan" war of the previous administration, sir!
 
2013-11-01 06:26:08 PM  
The state of denial among Democrats about how awful this rollout has actually been amuses me to no end.  Maybe they can keep screwing it up long enough to affect the 2014 elections.
 
2013-11-01 06:26:27 PM  

Mrbogey: Remove old talking point: "There are no problems with the rollout."
Set new talking point: "Republicans caused all these problems with the rollout."


Probably should have been the point from the start... Its been pretty obvious they've been sabotaging it every chance they get... and not letting in any updates... if the standard is everything has to come out perfect from the start of the bill till end of time, every bill has failed...
 
2013-11-01 06:27:23 PM  
I'm totally serious guys we got to get these Teanbaggers because they can't say black people stutter. It's just racist and you can only be racist to your BFFs like Shelly because they won't tell anyone.
 
2013-11-01 06:28:10 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.
 
2013-11-01 06:29:10 PM  
the ACA is great, the first 100,000 or so people saved from bankruptcy will never make conservative news...

it's just the middle class, i mean, who cares about them?
 
2013-11-01 06:30:50 PM  
Dear GOP, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FEIGN OUTRAGE IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN TAKING ANY ACTION TO HELP CORRECT THE PROBLEM.
 
2013-11-01 06:30:56 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.


Isn't perfect?
 
2013-11-01 06:31:31 PM  

Mrbogey: Remove old talking point: "There are no problems with the rollout."
Set new talking point: "Republicans caused all these problems with the rollout."


Contributed is not the same as all. Way to jump to the logical extreme
 
2013-11-01 06:34:25 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?


Right. Isn't that what I said? People are still signing up, it works for some people, but it isn't perfect.

Let's just agree to disagree so we can skip the 50 posts where you feebly attempt to nitpick my word choice.
 
2013-11-01 06:35:56 PM  

Lsherm: The state of denial among Democrats about how awful this rollout has actually been amuses me to no end.  Maybe they can keep screwing it up long enough to affect the 2014 elections.


Lets see...

Less than a quarter of all people get their insurance on the individual market
Most of the high population states have state-run marketplaces that are working fine
Signing up for a plan via the federal marketplace via phone is working fine
The federal marketplace website should be fixed within a month or two
The election is still a long way off and low information voters tend to have short memories

At most, I see a few votes in battleground districts going to Republicans over this.  But by the same token, I see a few votes going to Democrats since the Republicans have received the majority of the blame for the federal shutdown.

So tell me how this is going to have any sort of major effect on the elections?
 
2013-11-01 06:37:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?

Right. Isn't that what I said? People are still signing up, it works for some people, but it isn't perfect.

Let's just agree to disagree so we can skip the 50 posts where you feebly attempt to nitpick my word choice.


You're right. Anything that is less than perfect isn't perfect. Like the Hindenburg and used condoms.
 
2013-11-01 06:40:35 PM  
The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?
 
2013-11-01 06:44:52 PM  

udhq: Dear GOP, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FEIGN OUTRAGE IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN TAKING ANY ACTION TO HELP CORRECT THE PROBLEM.


Right I mean the Teabaggers should all chip in and start coding dang it.
 
2013-11-01 06:48:11 PM  

skullkrusher: Anything that is less than perfect isn't perfect.


dear penthouse

TIL
 
2013-11-01 06:50:06 PM  

bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.


Important: in this episode of "day in the life of bestie1," are Tiffany and Shelly hot? Do you have any pictures of them doing squats in the gym?
 
2013-11-01 06:50:32 PM  
I totally can't code because I'm going on vacation but Shelly's ex-boyfriend used to work at the Apple store in the mall and I'm sure he could help out too.
 
2013-11-01 06:54:26 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?


I think the website qualifies as sh*t-show. But, it is only a tiny part of the overall deal. Unfortunately for the rollout, it has become the face of the plan in general.
 
2013-11-01 06:56:20 PM  

dr_blasto: bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.

Important: in this episode of "day in the life of bestie1," are Tiffany and Shelly hot? Do you have any pictures of them doing squats in the gym?


Shelly is a total pig but don't tell her I said that.  She thinks the her thighs are getting smaller because she does cardio but like I told her: you have to do more than five minutes on the stair master for it to help.  Tiffany was hot if you can deal her being black and all.  As long as she doesn't talk because the whole stutter thing is so not cool.
 
2013-11-01 06:56:29 PM  

coffeeplease: The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?


The website should only have pointed you to your state exchange. The fact that Republican governors are a bunch of shiat-for-brains is a contributing factor to the overall suck that is healthcare.gov.

Pointing fingers at the tard-brigade of teabaggers is perfectly proper.
 
2013-11-01 06:57:09 PM  

bestie1: dr_blasto: bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.

Important: in this episode of "day in the life of bestie1," are Tiffany and Shelly hot? Do you have any pictures of them doing squats in the gym?

Shelly is a total pig but don't tell her I said that.  She thinks the her thighs are getting smaller because she does cardio but like I told her: you have to do more than five minutes on the stair master for it to help.  Tiffany was hot if you can deal her being black and all.  As long as she doesn't talk because the whole stutter thing is so not cool.


Pics or GTFO.

Also: no pics of Shelly.
 
2013-11-01 07:08:45 PM  
The problem with the central thesis of this article is that Republicans have had little to no impact - they couldn't, really - on anything relating to Obamacare's authorization since it was passed.  Yes, we've opposed it. Yes, the House has voted 40+ times to repeal it.  But in the end, other than the Supreme Court's striking down of the provisions that coerced states into accepting the expansion, it remains unchanged from what was passed (other than a handful of technical corrections).

On the funding side, that there were no dedicated funds was not specific to Obamacare - it was the result of not passing any kind of appropriations bills in a timely manner.  That was the fault of both House and Senate being unable to find a compromise on spending.  Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago. This is a federal program, after all - it's not the states' responsibility to advertise it.

In the end, the failures of Obamacare - on the messaging front, on the website, and the fact that folks are unhappy right now - is squarely on the Administration.  Trying to throw blame around - especially on Republicans who have had the real power to do next to nothing to impact it - is just spin.
 
2013-11-01 07:13:38 PM  

Lsherm: The state of denial among Democrats about how awful this rollout has actually been amuses me to no end.  Maybe they can keep screwing it up long enough to affect the 2014 elections.


They've already seem to have pivoted from "it's great" to "it only sucks because of those mean republicans"

As problems continue in coming years expect "yeah of course it sucks, we should have gone with single payer!"
 
2013-11-01 07:16:02 PM  

dr_blasto: bestie1: dr_blasto: bestie1: Don't worry i got a dozen sock puppets ready. Let's all pretend we thin SCOAMF is a racist term. Stuttering is a racist stereotype of black people isn't it. I man I knew a black person once and he stuttered. Well i didn't really know her but she was in my gym. She wasn't really a member because it was in Georgetown and you know they can't afford to live there but she worked there and anyway she had a stutter. I used to make fun of her to my BFF Shelly. Her name was Tiffany and I used to call her Ta Ta Ta Tiffany to Shelly even though she was black. So there that is a stereotype and the evil Teabaggers are racist for using it in public.

Important: in this episode of "day in the life of bestie1," are Tiffany and Shelly hot? Do you have any pictures of them doing squats in the gym?

Shelly is a total pig but don't tell her I said that.  She thinks the her thighs are getting smaller because she does cardio but like I told her: you have to do more than five minutes on the stair master for it to help.  Tiffany was hot if you can deal her being black and all.  As long as she doesn't talk because the whole stutter thing is so not cool.

Pics or GTFO.

Also: no pics of Shelly.


Sorry I can't find any pics of Tey Tey but if you post your email or phone number I can let her know on Monday when I'm at the gym.
 
2013-11-01 07:23:26 PM  
Man, the irony was juuust missed, if that percentage could have been 1% instead of 3.
 
2013-11-01 07:28:00 PM  

DeltaXi65: The problem with the central thesis of this article is that Republicans have had little to no impact - they couldn't, really - on anything relating to Obamacare's authorization since it was passed.  Yes, we've opposed it. Yes, the House has voted 40+ times to repeal it.  But in the end, other than the Supreme Court's striking down of the provisions that coerced states into accepting the expansion, it remains unchanged from what was passed (other than a handful of technical corrections).

On the funding side, that there were no dedicated funds was not specific to Obamacare - it was the result of not passing any kind of appropriations bills in a timely manner.  That was the fault of both House and Senate being unable to find a compromise on spending.  Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago. This is a federal program, after all - it's not the states' responsibility to advertise it.

In the end, the failures of Obamacare - on the messaging front, on the website, and the fact that folks are unhappy right now - is squarely on the Administration.  Trying to throw blame around - especially on Republicans who have had the real power to do next to nothing to impact it - is just spin.


You're right. The Republicans did nothing, especially those governors that could have taken the funding to expand Medicaid and who could have set up state exchanges for their constituency but chose not to because ShariaBonghit Obummer is a SOCIALIST SATAN!!!!
 
2013-11-01 07:28:08 PM  

DeltaXi65: Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago.


It could also be said that they failed to put in the proper budget and time allotments with relation to the number of states that would end up using the federal system.  When they passed the bill, they had lower estimates on the number of states that would participate in the federal marketplace.  Since it was impossible to add more time or money after the fact, they kinda hamstrung themselves.
 
2013-11-01 07:28:39 PM  

dr_blasto: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?

I think the website qualifies as sh*t-show. But, it is only a tiny part of the overall deal. Unfortunately for the rollout, it has become the face of the plan in general.


Yep
 
2013-11-01 07:30:40 PM  

dr_blasto: coffeeplease: The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?

The website should only have pointed you to your state exchange. The fact that Republican governors are a bunch of shiat-for-brains is a contributing factor to the overall suck that is healthcare.gov.

Pointing fingers at the tard-brigade of teabaggers is perfectly proper.


I checked the NY site yesterday and it warned about missing data from the fed servers
 
2013-11-01 07:32:55 PM  

dr_blasto: coffeeplease: The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?

The website should only have pointed you to your state exchange. The fact that Republican governors are a bunch of shiat-for-brains is a contributing factor to the overall suck that is healthcare.gov.

Pointing fingers at the tard-brigade of teabaggers is perfectly proper.


Irony?
 
2013-11-01 07:34:11 PM  
While I understand the sentiment, this presupposes an opinion of the Republican Party's organization and forward thinking that I can't possibly give them credit for.
 
2013-11-01 07:36:05 PM  
FTA: "To the undisputed reasons for Obamacare's rocky rollout - a balky website, muddied White House messaging and sudden sticker shock for individuals forced to buy more expensive health insurance"

While there are many good points, the article fails in the first sentence. Unmitigated bullshiat.
 
2013-11-01 07:41:10 PM  

andersoncouncil42: FTA: "To the undisputed reasons for Obamacare's rocky rollout - a balky website, muddied White House messaging and sudden sticker shock for individuals forced to buy more expensive health insurance"

While there are many good points, the article fails in the first sentence. Unmitigated bullshiat.


Well, I suppose if you refuse to take subsidies it could be true. It would also be entirely your fault, but since when have the Teabaggers been known for personal responsibility?
 
2013-11-01 07:42:17 PM  

qorkfiend: andersoncouncil42: FTA: "To the undisputed reasons for Obamacare's rocky rollout - a balky website, muddied White House messaging and sudden sticker shock for individuals forced to buy more expensive health insurance"

While there are many good points, the article fails in the first sentence. Unmitigated bullshiat.

Well, I suppose if you refuse to take subsidies it could be true. It would also be entirely your fault, but since when have the Teabaggers been known for personal responsibility?


I suppose I should clarify that by "you", I did not mean andersoncouncil42; my apologies for any offense.
 
2013-11-01 07:50:59 PM  

havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.


If by "real story" you mean "complete fiction", sure.
 
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