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(The Atlantic Wire)   Conservative business owners win appeal in DC Circuit Court challenging the Obamacare contraceptive mandate   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 19
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2013-11-01 02:38:19 PM
7 votes:

The RIchest Man in Babylon: Weaver95: This would be a very awkward and strange precedent to set. I hope it gets overturned by SCOTUS.

I'm a Jewish business owner and the Torah says slavery is a-okay, so why can't I go buy some people to work in my stores?

I'm a Christian Scientist business owner, so why can't I deny coverage for any drugs?

I'm a Jehovah's Witness business owner, so why can't I deny coverage for blood transfusions?

Seriously, this is a terrifying bit of precedent to set.


Oh I dunno...watching the DEA try and deal with a rastafarian business would almost be worth the price of admission.
2013-11-01 04:10:09 PM
6 votes:

ginandbacon: Stop this world...


Too bad: They don't want you to get off.
2013-11-01 03:19:24 PM
4 votes:
This reminds me of The Onion:

Christian Science Pharmacist refuses to fill ANY prescription.
2013-11-01 02:27:32 PM
4 votes:
Carl's Jr. is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2013-11-01 02:29:20 PM
2 votes:
I should incorporate myself, take out massive loans, declare bankruptcy and walk away from myself to a resort in the Bahamas.
2013-11-01 08:27:03 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: You're entire argument seems based on the premise "The owner of the company has a right to set the rules."  This is not true.  It has been declared untrue by no less than the  88th US Congress back in 1964.


Your* entire argument.  Karmic justice, perhaps, for calling someone else an idiot.
2013-11-01 07:20:12 PM
1 votes:

DubyaHater: The owner of the company has a right to set the rules


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Ok, so you're a complete idiot.  Moving on.
2013-11-01 06:51:01 PM
1 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: I could be walking down the street and a car hits me.
I could be walking down the middle of a freeway and a car hits me.

In both of those instances, a car ran into me, and technically it isn't my fault. However, in the first example, I was not taking any unnecessary or stupid risks and the driver of the vehicle is at fault entirely. In the second example, I should not have been walking down the middle of the farking freeway and the car would not have hit me.

It is your choice to take additional risks and not your right. If you want to fark, that onus isn't on everything else should it result in a pregnancy. You have to pay for that shiat. I don't care about this moral argument, this is completely outside that. IF however a pregnancy occurs from a rape, that should be covered. If insurance covers contraceptives, then why don't they cover my motorcycle helmet? Rock climbing safety equipment? Scuba safety gear?


Let's see, prescription medication, motorcycle gear, rock climbing gear, scuba gear.

Sesame Street had a song about this.  Not sure that you are old enough for Sesame Street yet.
2013-11-01 06:38:13 PM
1 votes:

theorellior: Clemkadidlefark: I suspect they consider it your responsibility to wed before copulation and to be a mother and father to the children you sire. To love them, and raise them up proper. Not grind them up in a blender and flush them down a clinic drain. And they object to being made party to such a practice.

Contraception is not abortion, please do try to keep up.



He can't fathom what a vaccine is, I don't think he's ready to learn about contraceptives yet.
2013-11-01 06:00:55 PM
1 votes:

zedster: Weaver95: Corporate religions is a very very strange concept.

That would be as odd as the Church selling indulgences... ....


Older even.  Selling sacrificial offerings at the temple, etc.  Jesus was pissed yo.
2013-11-01 05:49:46 PM
1 votes:
The RIchest Man in Babylon: How can you justify being so anti-abortion AND anti-contraceptive?

I know someone who opposed to both. Here's her "logic."

Sex with birth control puts a barrier between you and your partner and you can't give yourself fully if there's something between you. This type of sex, with a barrier, is bad for you. Also, any sexual activity that is not the type that could lead to pregnancy (P in V) is bad for you. She knows this is true for everyone on the planet. Use Natural Family Planning only and accept the possibility of pregnancy or don't have sex.

She also believes that hormonal BC and IUDs cause abortion because it might prevent a fertilized egg from implanting. The fact that the medical definition of pregnancy is that it occurs on implantation is irrelevant because it's wrong. The considerable medical evidence that hormonal BC does NOT prevent implantation is not good enough. There would have to absolute proof that no fertilized egg could ever not implant and, needless to say, there is no evidence/proof that would satisfy her.

She will also say that "people need to control themselves" which leads to the real objection: people are having sex just for fun without the threat of pregnancy. According to her, people who are not willing to have a child if pregnancy occurs shouldn't have sex. Everyone should just be abstinent until marriage and then use NFP.

She doesn't care that this is wildly unrealistic and has never worked in the entire history of humankind. That's the standard and we shouldn't lower the standard, people should live up to the standard. This is what's best for you.
2013-11-01 05:11:07 PM
1 votes:

iodine: Lots of erroneous arguments in this thread are whining about this well considered decision.  If Gilardi's doesn't want to fund insurance benefits for contraception or abortion and the courts agree with them, then folks can suck it (and make them pay the wage premium that would provide for personal funding of this very personal benefit). Plenty of employers legally offer no health benefits at all.

One might complain that neither position should be allowed, but even in the twilight of Obamacare, that argument is going nowhere quickly, at least as a practical matter of politics being "the art of the possible".

Let's try mandating that all employers need to pay for a firearm for any employee who wants one.  That might be a "life saving device".  No?  Then time to suck it and move along.


A box is obviously missing its tool.
2013-11-01 04:57:10 PM
1 votes:

R.O.U.S: In all seriousness, religious freedom and rights are all well and good, until they interfere with someone else's freedoms and rights. Freedom of religion should end where my rights begin.


My right to swing my fist ends at your face.  Unless my fist is Jesus, in which case it ends someone in your vagina.  Or something.
2013-11-01 04:53:21 PM
1 votes:
What if, like Ned Flanders, you didn't believe in insurance at all?

What if you considered insurance to be a form of gambling, which you are religiously opposed to?
2013-11-01 04:52:24 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait until someone decides that your tumor is an actual living creature and they won't cover surgery or oncology because that would be killing one of God's greatest gifts.
2013-11-01 04:49:45 PM
1 votes:
CONTRACEPTIVES!

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What are CONTRACEPTIVES doing in this health plan, when I told you NO CONTRACEPTIVES EVERRRRRRRRRRRRR
2013-11-01 04:47:19 PM
1 votes:
And yet there's still no outrage about boner pills, which are directly responsible for the deaths of untold billions of old guy sperm. Maybe not being able to get it up is a message from God?
2013-11-01 03:57:09 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: enry: So we have corporations as people and now people as corporations.

I wonder how the evangelicals will reconcile corporate religion with that whole "thou shalt have no other gods before me" line in their bible?


If evangelicals cared about the message of Christianity there would be no evangelicals.
2013-11-01 02:37:11 PM
1 votes:
As a snake handler I refuse to pay for any health coverage beyond a good old fashioned rattle snake dance.
 
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