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(Talking Points Memo)   Tennessee lawmakers meet with secessionist group. This is not a repeat from 1861   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 74
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2013-11-01 01:22:26 PM
Tennessee is to progressive thought and good governance as KFC is to chicken.
 
2013-11-01 01:23:37 PM

coeyagi: Tennessee is to progressive thought and good governance as KFC is to chicken.


Tasty and delicious after spending a night in the fridge soaking in its own grease?
 
2013-11-01 01:23:48 PM
The Party of Lincoln!
 
2013-11-01 01:24:02 PM

coeyagi: Tennessee is to progressive thought and good governance as KFC is to chicken.


Lewis Black did it better.
 
2013-11-01 01:24:27 PM
Well_bye.png
 
2013-11-01 01:25:01 PM
Don't worry, once they succeed they'll just bring back Bible based laws like "respect your parents" and "slavery" and...

fc02.deviantart.net
 
2013-11-01 01:27:21 PM
Oklahoma lawmakers have been meeting with the John Birch Society people for years.

Yes really.
 
2013-11-01 01:27:51 PM

StopDaddy: coeyagi: Tennessee is to progressive thought and good governance as KFC is to chicken.

Lewis Black did it better.


No sh*t.  If he didn't, I'd be raking in the cash.
 
2013-11-01 01:28:11 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Don't worry, once they succeed they'll just bring back Bible based laws like "respect your parents" and "slavery" and...

[fc02.deviantart.net image 310x235]


Take me to another place
Take me to another land
Make me forget all that hurts me
Let me understand your plan
 
2013-11-01 01:29:13 PM
Maybe its a mistake, like in "Death to Smoochy", when Edward Norton ended up at the Nazi confab?
 
2013-11-01 01:31:30 PM
Real Americans (tm)
 
2013-11-01 01:31:34 PM
Tennessee has had some great Governors, Congressmen and Senators, but right now our state legislature is infested with Tea Party wackjobs and New World Order conspiracy theorists. I hate to say it, but I think our state's strong lobbying interests actually help these morons stay away from total lunacy.

 Its also odd how in state wide and federal elections, we tend to vote for moderate candidates, but in local elections we vote up more extreme candidates.  Thankfully, our Guv is a reasonable guy.
 
2013-11-01 01:31:40 PM
I have to admit, I find the idea of neo-Confederate secession intriguing. Not because I have any political stake in it (other than having to move), but the demographics of the thing fascinate me. The American South holds most of America's African-descended population. What happens to them if the CSA rises again? Is there a mass exodus, assuming the government allows such? Does the government try to rebrand the Confederate label to placate, offering black people a real place in a Confederacy that's learned from the past? Do black people become a resistance, probably aided by the Northern government? Could the new Confederacy purge them, even if it wanted to? Does that will really exist?

It would be utterly fascinating, in a not-good way.
 
2013-11-01 01:33:41 PM
Don't look for any of us others to stop you either. Hell, I hope we insist they take the other ten that tried it last time, too.
 
2013-11-01 01:38:44 PM
This is f***ing awesooooooome...

Seriously. Let GOP lawmakers continue to listen to the shrillest, most disconnected members of their party.  Let the swing voters see exactly what they get when they vote Republican.  This is perfect.  Keep it up, guys.

Political suicide is painless.  It brings on many changes.
 
2013-11-01 01:41:07 PM
They could create the United States of Tard, immediately become a third world country and ask the real US for handouts.
 
2013-11-01 01:41:32 PM
The best part is I'm sure said lawmakers assume they'll still be "in charge" when they hand the keys to the statehouse over to Clem and Clovis
 
2013-11-01 01:41:55 PM

vernonFL: Maybe its a mistake, like in "Death to Smoochy", when Edward Norton ended up at the Nazi confab?


That movie is so brilliant and doesn't get enough respect.
 
2013-11-01 01:42:41 PM

rosebud_the_sled: They could create the United States of Tard, immediately become a third world country and ask the real US for handouts.


Based on the givers_receivers.jpg chart of those states who take more than they give in tax revenue, I believe they already do.
 
2013-11-01 01:43:01 PM

Facetious_Speciest: The American South holds most of America's African-descended population


[orly]
 
2013-11-01 01:44:40 PM
Um, yeah. Really.

/derp?
 
2013-11-01 01:45:11 PM

menschenfresser: Don't look for any of us others to stop you either. Hell, I hope we insist they take the other ten that tried it last time, too.


Yeah, it's kind of a package deal.
 
2013-11-01 01:46:05 PM
This would change the electoral dynamics of the US Senate as the Senators would have to be more responsive to the States rather than the nebulous concept of "the people".

I've never understood this concept that direct election of Senators is somehow ... bad (other than for the reason that the Senator you voted for lost), but this reasoning is particularly stupid.  "The people" isn't nebulous - go down to a voting both the first Tuesday after the first Monday in an even-numbered year and there they are right there.  If anything 'the State" is more nebulous than "the people" because unless you somehow mean the actual, physical real estate within the geographic boundaries then "the State" is only a conceptual idea, as opposed to actual, physical people who voted.

Dumbasses.  Bunch of sad, little, whiny, sand-in-the-clit, "I didn't win so I'm going to tip over the board", "Screw you guys, I'm going to take my ball and go home", dumbasses.
 
2013-11-01 01:47:01 PM
The headline: "TN Lawmakers Scheduled To Speak Before Secessionists With Ties To Hate Group"

The translation: "TN Lawmakers Scheduled to Speak Before Teabaggers With Ties To Republican Party"
 
2013-11-01 01:48:23 PM

Evil High Priest: menschenfresser: Don't look for any of us others to stop you either. Hell, I hope we insist they take the other ten that tried it last time, too.

Yeah, it's kind of a package deal.


Hey, come on now!  I'm from South Carolina, and I want to stay in the Union.  Don't lump me in with those morons and kick me ... you know what, fark it.  I've got marketable skills, I'd be happy to move.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 01:52:27 PM
They've always been around.  Since the end of the civil war I mean.

I think they had a resurgance in the '60s too, after the civil rights act.
 
2013-11-01 01:55:39 PM
 
2013-11-01 02:06:12 PM

vpb: They've always been around.  Since the end of the civil war I mean.

I think they had a resurgance in the '60s too, after the civil rights act.


Indeed they did.  Also, a proliferation of private academies because Brown vs. Board of Education didn't apply to private schools.


To be sure, they existed all over the US, but there was definitely a concentration here. And the majority of ones that don't have many students with an over-abundance of melanin still tend to be here.



Linky (pops)
 
2013-11-01 02:07:35 PM

naughtyrev: vernonFL: Maybe its a mistake, like in "Death to Smoochy", when Edward Norton ended up at the Nazi confab?

That movie is so brilliant and doesn't get enough respect.


Robin Williams screaming "ITS A COCK!" was my ringtone from 2004 to 2007.
 
2013-11-01 02:08:32 PM
I enjoyed the line: that nebulous concept of "the people"

You can almost hear the contempt of the writer and see them gesticulate the scare quotes.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 02:08:46 PM

Facetious_Speciest: I have to admit, I find the idea of neo-Confederate secession intriguing. Not because I have any political stake in it (other than having to move), but the demographics of the thing fascinate me. The American South holds most of America's African-descended population. What happens to them if the CSA rises again? Is there a mass exodus, assuming the government allows such? Does the government try to rebrand the Confederate label to placate, offering black people a real place in a Confederacy that's learned from the past? Do black people become a resistance, probably aided by the Northern government? Could the new Confederacy purge them, even if it wanted to? Does that will really exist?

It would be utterly fascinating, in a not-good way.


There have been a lot of books written on that.  Harry Turtledove wrote an interesting series based on the South winning the civil war.
 
2013-11-01 02:09:11 PM
WE'RE NOT RACISTS!!!
 
2013-11-01 02:09:59 PM

mysticcat: Tennessee has had some great Governors, Congressmen and Senators, but right now our state legislature is infested with Tea Party wackjobs and New World Order conspiracy theorists. I hate to say it, but I think our state's strong lobbying interests actually help these morons stay away from total lunacy.

 Its also odd how in state wide and federal elections, we tend to vote for moderate candidates, but in local elections we vote up more extreme candidates.  Thankfully, our Guv is a reasonable guy.


that's because they have R's next to their names, we've been lucky to have reasonable people climb to the top of the state party, because the people on the bottom are full-retard

as for why the state has become so infected by teaparty idiocy? well honestly if you looked - they were already everywhere, but kept at bay like a functioning schizophrenic... when the repubs lost the national election in 2008 tho, it's like the flood gates opened and it became okay for people to start shiatting in the streets
 
2013-11-01 02:11:43 PM
Historically Tennessee was Union territory from 1862 onwards. By 1864 most Tennesseans had no problem with the Union as Johnny Yank paid his bills, treated the people decently and his cash was the coin of the land.

When Hood invaded in late 1864 nobody welcomed the CSA back. Most residents hid their produce and livestock and men were press ganged into the Army of Tennessee. Confederate money was worthless and the big heads that thought Tennessee would welcome them were damn dead wrong. George Thomas then proceeded to kick Hood's sorry ass back south in a way that can only be described as "hilariously awesome".
 
2013-11-01 02:12:21 PM
vpb

There have been a lot of books written on that. Harry Turtledove wrote an interesting series based on the South winning the civil war.

I've read it. The concentration camp route is obviously one way to go.

On the one hand, I like to think that this is a harder choice in the modern era, with the rest of the world looking at you in disgust 24/7 with all the instantaneous media we have.

On the other, I remember being in what used to be Yugoslavia in the late nineties, and we all heard about Rwanda, so...
 
2013-11-01 02:12:37 PM

vpb: Facetious_Speciest: I have to admit, I find the idea of neo-Confederate secession intriguing. Not because I have any political stake in it (other than having to move), but the demographics of the thing fascinate me. The American South holds most of America's African-descended population. What happens to them if the CSA rises again? Is there a mass exodus, assuming the government allows such? Does the government try to rebrand the Confederate label to placate, offering black people a real place in a Confederacy that's learned from the past? Do black people become a resistance, probably aided by the Northern government? Could the new Confederacy purge them, even if it wanted to? Does that will really exist?

It would be utterly fascinating, in a not-good way.

There have been a lot of books written on that.  Harry Turtledove wrote an interesting series based on the South winning the civil war.


i think you'd start seeing states fracture into smaller states that don't want to follow the secession, Tennessee unofficially broke apart during the civil war when parts of it didn't want to secede - tho nobody officially recognized those areas because the union quickly gained a military foothold in the state
 
2013-11-01 02:15:04 PM

Facetious_Speciest: I have to admit, I find the idea of neo-Confederate secession intriguing. Not because I have any political stake in it (other than having to move), but the demographics of the thing fascinate me. The American South holds most of America's African-descended population. What happens to them if the CSA rises again? Is there a mass exodus, assuming the government allows such? Does the government try to rebrand the Confederate label to placate, offering black people a real place in a Confederacy that's learned from the past? Do black people become a resistance, probably aided by the Northern government? Could the new Confederacy purge them, even if it wanted to? Does that will really exist?

It would be utterly fascinating, in a not-good way.


Repression, pogroms, uprisings, even more repression, "population reduction" a la Jake Featherstone.
 
2013-11-01 02:15:50 PM
 Would have been more interesting if they had until afterwards when there was video of his opinions on the matter.
 
2013-11-01 02:17:35 PM
give me doughnuts

...a la Jake Featherstone.

But, hey...FREEDOM!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 02:18:34 PM
It's mostly just the country/city divide.

The blue States are the ones where people who live in more developed areas outnumber the rural people and the red states are where the rural people are the majority.

Sure the South has it's own culture and traditions, but that has it's roots in the same rural/urban divide.

There are red parts of NY and blue parts of Alabama.
 
2013-11-01 02:21:18 PM

AdamK: i think you'd start seeing states fracture into smaller states that don't want to follow the secession, Tennessee unofficially broke apart during the civil war when parts of it didn't want to secede - tho nobody officially recognized those areas because the union quickly gained a military foothold in the state



Kentucky was the same way: Two state governments, congress-critters sent to both Washington and Richmond.
The joke was that we didn't really join the Confederacy until after the Civil War. There was a grain of truth to that, though. Up until the 1880s, more former Confederate officers were serving in the government and the courts than were former Union officers.
 
2013-11-01 02:30:38 PM

Facetious_Speciest: I have to admit, I find the idea of neo-Confederate secession intriguing. Not because I have any political stake in it (other than having to move), but the demographics of the thing fascinate me. The American South holds most of America's African-descended population. What happens to them if the CSA rises again? Is there a mass exodus, assuming the government allows such? Does the government try to rebrand the Confederate label to placate, offering black people a real place in a Confederacy that's learned from the past? Do black people become a resistance, probably aided by the Northern government? Could the new Confederacy purge them, even if it wanted to? Does that will really exist?

It would be utterly fascinating, in a not-good way.


Sounds like your pitching a screenplay.
I'm in!

Ryan Gosling as Rick Perry, Manic-depressive governor of Texas,  Emily Blunt as his bi-bi-polar mistress, Michelle Bachmann.  We call it "Silver Linings Secession".  Book it.  Done.
 
2013-11-01 02:33:11 PM
The Potato Doctrine.
 
2013-11-01 02:43:30 PM

naughtyrev: vernonFL: Maybe its a mistake, like in "Death to Smoochy", when Edward Norton ended up at the Nazi confab?

That movie is so brilliant and doesn't get enough respect.


It's got that Rushmore/Best In Show vibe where it feels like nothing is happening and you're just watching people be miserable.

It's weird to say about a movie about a children's dinosaur character assassination/literal assassination attempt, but that movie might be too subtle for it's own good.
 
2013-11-01 02:44:14 PM

rosebud_the_sled: They could create the United States of Tard, immediately become a third world country and ask the real US for handouts.


Wouldn't even have to change the football uniforms.

ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-11-01 02:44:16 PM

AdamK: vpb: Facetious_Speciest: I have to admit, I find the idea of neo-Confederate secession intriguing. Not because I have any political stake in it (other than having to move), but the demographics of the thing fascinate me. The American South holds most of America's African-descended population. What happens to them if the CSA rises again? Is there a mass exodus, assuming the government allows such? Does the government try to rebrand the Confederate label to placate, offering black people a real place in a Confederacy that's learned from the past? Do black people become a resistance, probably aided by the Northern government? Could the new Confederacy purge them, even if it wanted to? Does that will really exist?

It would be utterly fascinating, in a not-good way.

There have been a lot of books written on that.  Harry Turtledove wrote an interesting series based on the South winning the civil war.

i think you'd start seeing states fracture into smaller states that don't want to follow the secession, Tennessee unofficially broke apart during the civil war when parts of it didn't want to secede - tho nobody officially recognized those areas because the union quickly gained a military foothold in the state


Is that statue of N.B. Forrest still there along the freeway in Nashville? The one that has him with a look on his face as though he's getting goosed?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 02:55:57 PM
The reason none of the red states will secede any time soon is that none of those states want to secede.

Many people do, maybe even a majority, but  even if the majority of people in a state did, there would be plenty of blacks, non-right wing blacks and even some right-wing whites who are more loyal to the USA than to their state government.
 
2013-11-01 03:00:08 PM

DoctorCal: Facetious_Speciest: Um, yeah. Really.

And increasingly so, apparently. (pdf warning)


In an easy-to-visualize graphic...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-01 03:10:53 PM

vpb: The reason none of the red states will secede any time soon is that none of those states want to secede.

Many people do, maybe even a majority, but  even if the majority of people in a state did, there would be plenty of blacks, non-right wing blacks and even some right-wing whites who are more loyal to the USA than to their state government.


Which is why it's tempting to propose forcing them out. Not unlike when you amputate a diseased limb before it takes the entire body down.
 
2013-11-01 03:26:46 PM

menschenfresser: vpb: The reason none of the red states will secede any time soon is that none of those states want to secede.

Many people do, maybe even a majority, but  even if the majority of people in a state did, there would be plenty of blacks, non-right wing blacks and even some right-wing whites who are more loyal to the USA than to their state government.

Which is why it's tempting to propose forcing them out. Not unlike when you amputate a diseased limb before it takes the entire body down.


That would come with the same price South Africa paid for apartheid.The South would have to forget about forming any open international trade agreements as most countries would find their policy unacceptable and refuse trade.
 
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