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(LA Times)   So, the lady who's been making the rounds on cable news claiming that Obamacare is causing her to trade her cheap plan for an expensive one? Well, one reporter actually followed up with her on this, with unsurprising results   (latimes.com) divider line 61
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2013-11-01 02:27:28 PM
10 votes:
I went to 0bamacare.gov and it took 33 minutes to load and then I discovered that it installed a trojan on my computer that linked my checking and savings account directly to the presidents and was taking all of my money. I called to complain and had to press one for English. I was on hold for 27 minutes then it just went skaweeeeeeeeee-errrrrt. I hung up. But if I wanted health insurance I would have gotten health insurance. I DON'T WANT IT! I am a healthy white male with Jesus on my side. I have all the protection I need.
2013-11-01 02:33:33 PM
7 votes:
I went to Zerobanjobammy.gov and tried to log in. 666 minutes later, I was having teh ghey sex with the ghost of Saul Alinsky in a madrassa.
2013-11-01 12:27:17 PM
7 votes:
pinstripebindi.files.wordpress.com
2013-11-01 04:02:55 PM
6 votes:
s7.postimg.org
2013-11-01 04:03:33 PM
3 votes:

spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?


In Soviet Georgiastan, they force me, a supposedly free citizen, to purchase auto insurance.  First, there is nothing in the Constitution that says anything about horse insurance so why do I need insurance on a car.   Second, I don't need insurance anyway.  I've never crashed.  If these trends continue....
2013-11-01 03:30:40 PM
3 votes:

Tyee: It so damn good they had to mandate it.

And most families are saving that $2,500.00 per year right? Or was that the plan you loved that is being canceled?

My gay nephew was pissed until he found out he gets free pap smears and cervical exams and His mom get prenatal!   And some of you people were skeptics and said she wouldn't qualify because she was over 55.

Me?  I'm get to pay 8% more to keep my Cadillac plan,... for now, good times.

$ Paying more


Here is a cervical exam for you...Yep, that's sand.
2013-11-01 02:40:20 PM
3 votes:

spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?


Here's the thing though - you probably think you are in that healthy 18-45 range where you never get sick.  But I am guessing that based on your reasoning ability regarding the fact that WE ALL GET ASSF*CKED WHEN YOU GO TO THE ER, you probably have a prion eating away your brain.

You should probably get that checked out.

No insurance?

Do you need us to start a FarkUs project to collect money for you, bootstrappy?
2013-11-01 02:36:43 PM
3 votes:
Look man, I lost my insurance thanks to Fartbleacher Obenzene.  Did you really expect me to spend more than the time it takes to f*ck my sister with my crippled dick on finding quality, comparable coverage on healthcare.gov or the exchange sites?
2013-11-01 02:18:50 PM
3 votes:
Vicar It's about this letter you sent me regarding my insurance claim.
Devious Oh, yeah, yeah - well, you see, it's just that we're not...as yet...totally satisfied with the grounds of your claim.
Vicar But it says something about filling my mouth in with cement.
Devious Oh well, that's just insurance jargon, you know.
Vicar But my car was hit by a lorry while standing in the garage and you refuse to pay my claim.
Devious(rising and crossing to a filing cabinet) Oh well, reverend Morrison...in your policy...in your policy...(he open the drawer of the filing cabinet and takes out a shabby old sports jacket; he feels in the pocket and pulls out a crumbled dog-eared piece of paper then puts the coat back and shuts the filing cabinet)...here we are. It states quite clearly that no claim you make will be paid.
Vicar Oh dear.
Devious You see, you unfortunately plumped for our 'Neverpay' policy, which, you know, if you never claim is very worthwhile...but you had to claim, and, well, there it is.
2013-11-01 06:35:51 PM
2 votes:
i58.photobucket.com
2013-11-01 05:54:19 PM
2 votes:
i41.tinypic.com
2013-11-01 04:54:21 PM
2 votes:
img.fark.net

If that guy on the right would only piss on a spark plug, the site would be fixed by now!
2013-11-01 04:26:24 PM
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: I have a Lexus plan.  It's like a regular plan, but it has more chrome.


I have the Escalade plan. I bought it with food stamps
2013-11-01 03:54:20 PM
2 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: [www.trbimg.com image 600x415]

What is the picture about?


how the secretary of the HHS is stating, in publicly funded advertising, that you are exempt from the individual mandate if you can kegstand
Bf+
2013-11-01 03:51:16 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: sprawl15: i went on the exchanges and the only thing obamacare would give me is a $700/month premium (after the subsidy) and the only coverage it offered was a handbra

the ACA website drank the last beer in my fridge


The ACA website spoiled Breaking Bad for me.
2013-11-01 03:44:11 PM
2 votes:
skozlaw:..... current premium, premium of the next closest plan, state, age and income so that all this can be validated with facts, please.

So you want transparency and numbers from a private person, posted on the interwebs, ...is that because you can't get info from your government... b/c that won't release its numbers information on sign ups?

You find an 8% increase in a Cadillac plan difficult to believe or understand?  Really? That increase to Cadillac plans is about the only thing Obama promised that is happening as promised.

I need a drink.  On to happy hour.  First round is on me, just like your health care.

$ more.
2013-11-01 03:18:13 PM
2 votes:

James!: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

Based on your vast knowledge of emergency rooms?


This is very suspicious. In my experience, the typical emergency room has never contained a perfectly healthy 18-45 year old.
2013-11-01 02:46:57 PM
2 votes:

InmanRoshi: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because emergency rooms are filled with people in the 18-45 range that were until that point totally healthy.


Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience, but typically the reason people don't have health insurance is because they don't want it or can't afford it. Just because you force them to have it isn't going to resolve the second problem.

You talk about Republicans trying to wipe out the middle class by making sure the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, what do you think this is? You think the person working three minimum wage jobs just to keep food in their mouth and a roof over their head can afford to pay anything extra a month for insurance? You think the guy who makes between $30,000 - $40,000 a year and barely scrapes by due to his modest standard of living can afford to pay between $250 - $350 a month?
2013-11-01 01:58:09 PM
2 votes:

Deedeemarz: They need to stop believing the news and investigate for themselves!


I believe the phrase you are looking for is "Study it out".
2013-11-01 12:22:59 PM
2 votes:

ManateeGag: So.  What's based on lies again?


pretty much the entire republican platform.
2013-11-01 07:44:29 PM
1 votes:

spmkk: LordJiro: "Until Republicans are out of power ENTIRELY, and the conservative Democratic party has a liberal party as its opposition,  America will never be exceptional again. Period."


You do realize that the "exceptional" America you long for -- i.e. the America of the 1950s/60s -- was exceptional at a time when (a) racial desegregation hadn't been outlawed, (b) abortion was illegal, (c) Medicare hadn't been enacted, (d) health care in the US was entirely private, (e) the EPA didn't exist, and (f) US military spending was proportionately  twice what it is today...do you not?

In other words, the "exceptionalism" that you blame Republicans for holding America back from today belongs to a time when nearly all of the crazy, bigoted policies that those evil Republicans are allegedly scaring you with were in force. Hmm...


And here's the part where you demonstrate that the exceptional America that LJ is referring to is the America of the 1950s/1960s.
2013-11-01 05:41:43 PM
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: ecl: You can gamble with bankruptcy all you want, but when you can't pay your hospital bills everyone else has to foot the bill.

What are the numbers on this? What percentage of healthcare provided does not get paid for?


Up to $49 billion per year on uninsured patients.

That number, however, does not include all of the insured patients who declare bankruptcy due to expenses, which is roughly 75% of medical bankruptcies in America
2013-11-01 05:12:53 PM
1 votes:
When I was self-employed, the best plan (pre-ACA) I could get was at a rate of "go f**k yourself" per month, with a maximum out-of-pocket of "how about all of it" and a co-pay of "whatever the doctor charges you" per visit.
2013-11-01 04:34:12 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Rapmaster2000: I have a Lexus plan.  It's like a regular plan, but it has more chrome.

I have the Escalade plan. I bought it with food stamps


Escalaid
2013-11-01 04:21:59 PM
1 votes:
I have a Lexus plan.  It's like a regular plan, but it has more chrome.
2013-11-01 04:20:58 PM
1 votes:

Serious Black: That wouldn't have assuaged the people who were falling prey to the status quo bias. They wanted to keep their sub-standard plan, damnit!


FIX OLD!
NO NEW!
2013-11-01 04:19:38 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Whidbey is the type that would come for a beer and spend 2 weeks on your couch


Oh, never mind whidbey.

~gone for reals
2013-11-01 04:18:39 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: whidbey: Post that bullshiat again and I have no choice but to report you to this site.

What bullshait?
For what its worth this site really isn't what it used to be.  It used to be discussion and thought, now its name calling.

whidbey, do what you must tough guy, tell your mom too.

I'm paying more, I was lied to, so were you.  I'm lucky I get to keep a plan I like but have to pay more.
Don't like to hear it?  As I said, I have long since lost much interest in what concerns you. I'd still buy you a beer if you ever get to St. Paul.

~out


Wait.

You said Obama told you that you'd pay more. You said you're paying more. You even noted that this was the factual thing Obama told you.

Now you're being lied to?

I hope your plan covers mental health as well.
2013-11-01 04:08:39 PM
1 votes:
I really hate it when I go to a fast food restaurant and they have those little packets of ketchup for people to just take! I don't even like the stuff so why should I have to pay more for my Cheese Burger when I'm never going to use it?!?! It's outrageous and should be stopped. All condiments should be charged for separately so things can be fair for everybody. I shouldn't have to help pay for something I don't use.


/Restaurant = ACA
//Cheese Burger = Health Care
///Ketchup = anything not male related
////Really I don't like ketchup but I don't expect a farking discount.
2013-11-01 04:03:20 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: spman: No, I fully expect to be roundly criticized no matter what, ever since Fark went all derpy derpy liberal.

Or maybe you either haven't thought what you're saying through or perhaps they're so out of touch with real people's needs you deserve the criticism.

Sorry that liberals irritate you.


Hey spman where'd you go? Too bad your ideas weren't as automagically indefensible as you thought they were.
2013-11-01 04:03:00 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: skozlaw:..... current premium, premium of the next closest plan, state, age and income so that all this can be validated with facts, please.

So you want transparency and numbers from a private person, posted on the interwebs, ...is that because you can't get info from your government... b/c that won't release its numbers information on sign ups?

You find an 8% increase in a Cadillac plan difficult to believe or understand?  Really? That increase to Cadillac plans is about the only thing Obama promised that is happening as promised.

I need a drink.  On to happy hour.  First round is on me, just like your health care.

$ more.


Yes, you have a cadillac health plan.  The details you cited for it are so damn good and so damn affordable that I have trouble believing it.
2013-11-01 04:01:31 PM
1 votes:
Clearly, the Obama junta has conspired with the private market to offer this woman insurance.

You have no idea how deep the conspiracy goes.
2013-11-01 04:01:20 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: You're gone from here as far as I'm concerned.


I have long since lost much interest in what concerns you.  Your idealism aside, you can sometimes show signs of comprehension, unfortunately as you blindly march along into oblivion you're taking us with you.  Go if you must but don't bring us with you.

$
2013-11-01 03:59:48 PM
1 votes:

skozlaw: Your claims are unverifiable. There is little recourse but to assume you are either lying outright or by omission. I'll color your posts appropriately so I don't mistake you as somebody honest in the future. Good day.


This is Tyee we are talking about. The guy who actively cheered on the Somali pirates because he hates Obama so much.
2013-11-01 03:55:24 PM
1 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: [www.trbimg.com image 600x415]

What is the picture about?


It's an ad some state exchange was running to encourage bros to sign up for "brosurance."
2013-11-01 03:55:23 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Marcus Aurelius: skullkrusher: Marcus Aurelius: And the reporters who interviewed her without getting all the facts produced inexcusably shoddy work -- from Maria Bartiromo on down

Maria Bartiromo is a complete tool.

I'd put my tool in her shed. Even at this age

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to wreck her shed.  She just doesn't deserve to be called a reporter.

It's long been rumored that she spent as much time on her knees with financial leaders as she did interviewing them


I did not know she was religious. She should pray in private.
2013-11-01 03:53:29 PM
1 votes:

Headso: Safe money says this guy heard the term "cadillac plan" and suddenly on the internet he has a cadillac healthcare plan.


I'm an old guy, that term has been around for a long time and used for many things before this issue.  Obama himself used it when he was making up b/s promises.  To be fair he did say the Cadillac plans may see in increase.

Beer?
2013-11-01 03:40:21 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Duke Slater: Since I'm bored at work on a Friday afternoon, I went to healthcare.gov and went through the application process even though I have a decent plan and won't be changing.

1. It took about 15 minutes to get to the point where I could choose a plan.
2. I provided no sensitive personal information, not even SSN.
3. I don't qualify for any subsidy, but could get a gold plan for $377 a month (I'm 53), with a $1750 deductible, $5000 max out of pocket, $5 copays, and $5 generic prescriptions.

Yeah, what a clusterfark.

Dude, I know a chick that went on the web-site and this is how the found her:

[www.demontheory.net image 400x300]


In seven days your inferior catastrophic plan will die.
2013-11-01 03:38:21 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Whodat: jst3p: Whodat: I think that it boils down to the fact that when Obama said, "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.", he was not telling the truth. It doesn't matter if the plan is a better one. He said it repeatedly with no caveats. It is also coming out that when he said it, many in the administration knew this to be untrue.

Surely this will cost him his re-election.

I don't see that happening. Obama's standing in the next election has already been decided by those in power. :)

Actually the people are going to overwhelmingly elect another Democrat because they support what they're doing and the Republicans are acting like spoiled children with no plan for the future.

I'm sure that's what you meant by that.


I have a hard time seeing a path that elects a Republican. They have a lot of damage control to do and their last couple choices of candidates were really not viable from day one. I am sure they have smarter minds than mine working on it so I am looking forward to seeing where they go from here, but they have a lot of warts to deal with.
2013-11-01 03:37:27 PM
1 votes:

sprawl15: i went on the exchanges and the only thing obamacare would give me is a $700/month premium (after the subsidy) and the only coverage it offered was a handbra


the ACA website drank the last beer in my fridge
2013-11-01 03:34:21 PM
1 votes:
i went on the exchanges and the only thing obamacare would give me is a $700/month premium (after the subsidy) and the only coverage it offered was a handbra
2013-11-01 03:32:28 PM
1 votes:

Duke Slater: Since I'm bored at work on a Friday afternoon, I went to healthcare.gov and went through the application process even though I have a decent plan and won't be changing.

1. It took about 15 minutes to get to the point where I could choose a plan.
2. I provided no sensitive personal information, not even SSN.
3. I don't qualify for any subsidy, but could get a gold plan for $377 a month (I'm 53), with a $1750 deductible, $5000 max out of pocket, $5 copays, and $5 generic prescriptions.

Yeah, what a clusterfark.


Dude, I know a chick that went on the web-site and this is how the found her:

www.demontheory.net
2013-11-01 03:31:35 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: [unsupported claims]


Post your provider, current health plan, nearest similar plan, average rate increases for like-size groups or individuals (depending on what your plan is), current premium, premium of the next closest plan, state, age and income so that all this can be validated with facts, please.

Otherwise, your claims are rejected out of hand since you posted no evidence that validates any part of them.
2013-11-01 03:31:01 PM
1 votes:
I'm on my wife's plan because it's cheap and I'm her biatch. We pay about $250 a month for the three of us. Suck on that, Exchangers!
2013-11-01 03:30:51 PM
1 votes:

spman: No, I fully expect to be roundly criticized no matter what, ever since Fark went all derpy derpy liberal.


If you go some place, and you find a few assholes, you just found a few assholes is all.

If you go some place and everyone is an asshole, it's more likely that you are the asshole.
2013-11-01 03:28:58 PM
1 votes:

busy chillin': BeesNuts: Lord_Baull: I, for one, am shocked that someone would be uninformed about ACA.

1) Deliberately misinform the public about the ACA.
2) Bring people you misinformed onto your network to describe their dissatisfaction with the ACA as they understand it.
3) Act shocked when these people are misinformed about the ACA.

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]
It's the circle of life


editorial.designtaxi.com
2013-11-01 03:20:25 PM
1 votes:
Look, the lady enjoyed getting kicked in the cooch by her insurance company. Why can't Fartbongo 0bummer just let her keep getting c-punted? Why is Osama Poopbama so intent on depriving her of what she wants?

This is America. F*ck Yeah! We'll do what we want!

i359.photobucket.com

/I forgot to take my pills.
2013-11-01 03:07:51 PM
1 votes:

spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?


A friend of mine, in that age range, put his foot in a gopher hole he didn't see and tore is ACL.  Without insurance, it would have been a $20,000 surgery and rehab stint.  An emergency room will give you a knee brace and crutches and send you on your way.

That's why you need insurance.
2013-11-01 03:06:59 PM
1 votes:

spman: James!: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because accidents happen.

There's also a 4.75% chance of hitting blackjack in any random draw, but I'm not exactly going to the Casino and putting $100 a hand down waiting for it.


In your casino, when get a blackjack the dealer punches you in the face.  Sometimes the dealer is an 80 pound woman, sometimes a professional heavyweight boxer, and you don't know which is which.

You're telling me that you're not going to put down a 50 cent side bet that saves your from getting punched and buys you a mild slap instead?
2013-11-01 02:59:22 PM
1 votes:

urbangirl: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

Just occurred to me -- if he's young and healthy and rarely has to see the doctor, exactly what is his "experience" with emergency rooms?


I bet he'll try to convince us he's a doctor.
2013-11-01 02:58:54 PM
1 votes:

spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.


You must have hit "Add Comment" prematurely. I am sure you meant to add:

I base this on the following citation ...
2013-11-01 02:48:18 PM
1 votes:

spman: InmanRoshi: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because emergency rooms are filled with people in the 18-45 range that were until that point totally healthy.

Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience, but typically the reason people don't have health insurance is because they don't want it or can't afford it. Just because you force them to have it isn't going to resolve the second problem.

You talk about Republicans trying to wipe out the middle class by making sure the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, what do you think this is? You think the person working three minimum wage jobs just to keep food in their mouth and a roof over their head can afford to pay anything extra a month for insurance? You think the guy who makes between $30,000 - $40,000 a year and barely scrapes by due to his modest standard of living can afford to pay between $250 - $350 a month?


So you're for single payer, then.
2013-11-01 02:45:18 PM
1 votes:
I personally know people who are having a rate increase due to the ACA (various reasons for various people). So this is not all right wing lies. That's the big problem: separating out the reality from the Fox crap.

The overwhelming majority of people are seeing a benefit from the ACA. I have a teabagging co-worker that just said "I think I'm beginning to like your boy Obama" because our company pension crapped over the healthcare plan (presumably--and this the teabagger and I agree on-- NOT because of the ACA, but because of union negotiations last year). The ACA may give him his healthcare cheaply. Luckily NY is a cooperating state or he would be farked.
2013-11-01 02:32:08 PM
1 votes:
2013-11-01 02:30:38 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: Lord_Baull: I, for one, am shocked that someone would be uninformed about ACA.

1) Deliberately misinform the public about the ACA.
2) Bring people you misinformed onto your network to describe their dissatisfaction with the ACA as they understand it.
3) Act shocked when these people are misinformed about the ACA.


static.guim.co.uk
It's the circle of life
2013-11-01 02:02:08 PM
1 votes:

James!: Another instance of the right crying wolf "i'm a dumbass".

2013-11-01 01:38:59 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: Ah.  Ok.  So she's an attention-whoring sack of shiat.  Too harsh lady?  Throwing out politically and/or attention-getting bullshiat isn't that big of a deal but there are plenty of people out there, many not very smart (admittedly), who need help but will shy away from investigating their own health insurance situation thanks to your assholery.


So this woman is a realtor... getting her face out there on the talking-head programs.  Viewers of those programs aren't exactly fact-checking what's thrown their way, so to them she's just a local celebrity now with similar political views.  A little name recognition, face recognition and before you know it she'll be challenging Cookie Kwan on the East Side.

Yes, THAT Cookie Kwan, #1 on the East Side!

vpb: I'm still waiting for the first poll data on how many people even wanted to keep these crap plans.


I'm trying to think of an analogy, where the government stepped in and dramatically altered an industry like this.  I think airbags in cars works... at first people thought they were expensive luxuries and yeah there were some growing pains.  But now, even if you could, would you want to go without an airbag to save a few bucks?  And just like health insurance, you're just one other dumb-f*ck driver away from needing it 10 ways to Tuesday no matter how careful you are.
2013-11-01 01:32:05 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: They really have to switch gears and start losing against Biden or Hillary.


Already tried that:

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
2013-11-01 01:27:34 PM
1 votes:
1) fight against Obama (lose)
2) fight against Obama as a straw-man/empty chair (lose)
3) fight against Obama's legacy (lose)

They really have to switch gears and start losing against Biden or Hillary.
2013-11-01 12:35:36 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: [pinstripebindi.files.wordpress.com image 275x206]


I wonder if she still has a residual scar on her face...

/at least now she can get some quality care if needed...
2013-11-01 11:55:33 AM
1 votes:
Looks like the link is making the same claims as the lady.
 
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