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(LA Times)   So, the lady who's been making the rounds on cable news claiming that Obamacare is causing her to trade her cheap plan for an expensive one? Well, one reporter actually followed up with her on this, with unsurprising results   (latimes.com) divider line 415
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2013-11-01 04:20:43 PM  

Two Dogs Farking: "I wonder how much the Republican PACs are paying to DDOS healthcare.gov."



i287.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-01 04:20:45 PM  

whidbey: maweimer9: whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.

I see single payer thrown around a lot on Fark (and else where).  Ideally, I agree on the concept and think it would provide the most efficient health care experience for the patient.

I think that is what draws so many people towards it is the experience for the patient.  I think what a lot of people do not understand is just how big the insurance industry is and how many people it employs.  I don't have any data (and frankly, I don't think many companies do either), but if you analyze the life cycle of a claim I would guess that there are hundreds of thousands of jobs, if not millions that depend on it.

For any one particular claim, there are 100's, if not 1000's of people who have touched the technical system, the administrative piece and even the actual working of the claim.  In other words, the politician who suggests single payer and finds a way to pass it, would most likely have to do it in his/her second term with the House and Senate on his/her side.  There's no way that's first term legislation given the amount of real job loss it would cause.

I believe this is a major factor why President Obama did not suggest it.  Well, this and the fact that he thought the right would champion with him given that it was their plan.  But I can almost guarantee that it weighed in the decision as well as not fighting as hard for the public option.

I prefer UHC taken right out of our taxes.

But the point is the mandate. People can biatch about ACA all they like, but no matter what we eventually end up with, there is going to still have to be a mandate to get it to work, whether it's this or single-payer or UHC.

In other words, basic fear and ignorance of positive (and necessary) societal progression


I completely agree.  We have to pay for things.  Things that are necessary for a successful society.  And I think that the sooner people realize A) you can't pay for nothing and get everything and B) 100% of your tax dollars aren't going to things you necessarily need or use readily....we're all be a little better off.

It's just the boot strappy, I did everything myself so I don't need to pitch in for the greater good type mentality is UBER contagious right now and has infected almost half of this country.
 
2013-11-01 04:20:58 PM  

spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?


Hey!  That completely describes me a couple of years back.  Almost never sick.  No major hereditary factors.  No high-risk hobbies.  Mid-twenties and healthy as a horse.

Until I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer.

Thankfully I was insured through my employer at the time and got the care I needed.  But now, thanks to the ACA, I won't ever have to worry about losing that insurance and not being able to replace it nwo that I have a "pre-existing condition" that requires $4 worth of pills every month to keep under control.

It's too bad there are so many people who are dumb enough to think that they're immune to disease just because they rarely get the sniffles.
 
2013-11-01 04:20:58 PM  

Serious Black: That wouldn't have assuaged the people who were falling prey to the status quo bias. They wanted to keep their sub-standard plan, damnit!


FIX OLD!
NO NEW!
 
2013-11-01 04:21:59 PM  
I have a Lexus plan.  It's like a regular plan, but it has more chrome.
 
2013-11-01 04:22:19 PM  

jst3p: Tyee: I'm paying more

Most of us have been paying more, every single year.


That's one thing that ain't gonna change
 
2013-11-01 04:22:23 PM  

dslknowitall: I really hate it when I go to a fast food restaurant and they have those little packets of ketchup for people to just take! I don't even like the stuff so why should I have to pay more for my Cheese Burger when I'm never going to use it?!?! It's outrageous and should be stopped. All condiments should be charged for separately so things can be fair for everybody. I shouldn't have to help pay for something I don't use.


/Restaurant = ACA
//Cheese Burger = Health Care
///Ketchup = anything not male related
////Really I don't like ketchup but I don't expect a farking discount.


I've heard this argument from a few complete morons before (way, way, worse than the way you phrased it).

People seem to be thinking that insurance companies charge you part of your premium for balls & shaft related issues, and then another part of your premium to cover your non-existent thatchers - that basically you're paying $10 for something you need and $10 to cover body parts you don't have.

In reality, I imagine what actually happens is that you're charged $20 for any genital related concerns you may have, no matter which set you personally own.  That way they don't have to tailor plans specifically for men or women, they just charge the same thing for any of it.
 
2013-11-01 04:23:01 PM  

maweimer9: whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.

I see single payer thrown around a lot on Fark (and else where).  Ideally, I agree on the concept and think it would provide the most efficient health care experience for the patient.

I think that is what draws so many people towards it is the experience for the patient.  I think what a lot of people do not understand is just how big the insurance industry is and how many people it employs.  I don't have any data (and frankly, I don't think many companies do either), but if you analyze the life cycle of a claim I would guess that there are hundreds of thousands of jobs, if not millions that depend on it.

For any one particular claim, there are 100's, if not 1000's of people who have touched the technical system, the administrative piece and even the actual working of the claim.  In other words, the politician who suggests single payer and finds a way to pass it, would most likely have to do it in his/her second term with the House and Senate on his/her side.  There's no way that's first term legislation given the amount of real job loss it would cause.

I believe this is a major factor why President Obama did not suggest it.  Well, this and the fact that he thought the right would champion with him given that it was their plan.  But I can almost guarantee that it weighed in the decision as well as not fighting as hard for the public option.


I looked at the numbers of some of the largest insurers. If they all went under tomorrow, you'd be looking at a few million jobs lost in an instant. That's a ton.

Ultimately you wouldn't lose 100% due to supplemental coverage plans, etc., but you'd only retain 10% of those employees most likely. It's a serious hit to the economy, but would be better in the long run. Plus, if we as individuals start having more disposable income due to a reduction in our healthcare costs, there'd likely be a boom in various other sectors.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 04:23:18 PM  

Serious Black: Sure, a complete shift to Medicare for All would cause a lot of job losses and likely tip us into a recession of our own doing, much like the demobilization after WWII did. But it would make the country stronger and probably grow faster in the long run. Hell, if you just plowed all of the private health care spending into the public system and instantly cut down to the admin costs of Medicare, you'd save the country about $700 billion a year. I can think of a lot of productive things we could do with $700 billion a year.


There is no way to calculate it, but why does everyone not understand that there are billions of dollars that never get generated in the U.S. because people are AFRAID to open new businesses or join a small business because healthcare is so linked to employers?  Take that away and all employers will do better (including the multinational ones) and the small businesses that we really need to generate U.S. jobs will benefit.

The U.S. is so stuck in multi-national corporation worshiping mode that they can never see that it's the small business generating the jobs, not the assholes that are big enough they can put the job in India if they want.
 
2013-11-01 04:24:51 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Hey!  That completely describes me a couple of years back.  Almost never sick.  No major hereditary factors.  No high-risk hobbies.  Mid-twenties and healthy as a horse.

Until I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer.

Thankfully I was insured through my employer at the time and got the care I needed.  But now, thanks to the ACA, I won't ever have to worry about losing that insurance and not being able to replace it nwo that I have a "pre-existing condition" that requires $4 worth of pills every month to keep under control.

It's too bad there are so many people who are dumb enough to think that they're immune to disease just because they rarely get the sniffles.


$4 of pills?! Good thing you have insurance! That's like $.12 a day! ;)

/congrats on beating the C
 
2013-11-01 04:24:56 PM  

Serious Black: maweimer9: whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.

I see single payer thrown around a lot on Fark (and else where).  Ideally, I agree on the concept and think it would provide the most efficient health care experience for the patient.

I think that is what draws so many people towards it is the experience for the patient.  I think what a lot of people do not understand is just how big the insurance industry is and how many people it employs.  I don't have any data (and frankly, I don't think many companies do either), but if you analyze the life cycle of a claim I would guess that there are hundreds of thousands of jobs, if not millions that depend on it.

For any one particular claim, there are 100's, if not 1000's of people who have touched the technical system, the administrative piece and even the actual working of the claim.  In other words, the politician who suggests single payer and finds a way to pass it, would most likely have to do it in his/her second term with the House and Senate on his/her side.  There's no way that's first term legislation given the amount of real job loss it would cause.

I believe this is a major factor why President Obama did not suggest it.  Well, this and the fact that he thought the right would champion with him given that it was their plan.  But I can almost guarantee that it weighed in the decision as well as not fighting as hard for the public option.

Sure, a complete shift to Medicare for All would cause a lot of job losses and likely tip us into a recession of our own doing, much like the demobilization after WWII did. But it would make the country stronger and probably grow faster in the long run. Hell, if you just plowed all of the private health care spending into the public system and instantly cut down to the admin costs of ...


Fair enough....but the health care industry is currently a 2.7 trillion dollar/year industry, admittedly not all of that is jobs from insurance companies, but a good chunk of that is.  That's a lot of unemployment.  And the economy hasn't recovered as fast as it could have b/c of mostly the right's obstruction given the implementation of their own health care plan.  How much worse would it be if we went single payer??
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 04:25:19 PM  

kidgenius: I looked at the numbers of some of the largest insurers. If they all went under tomorrow, you'd be looking at a few million jobs lost in an instant. That's a ton.

Ultimately you wouldn't lose 100% due to supplemental coverage plans, etc., but you'd only retain 10% of those employees most likely. It's a serious hit to the economy, but would be better in the long run. Plus, if we as individuals start having more disposable income due to a reduction in our healthcare costs, there'd likely be a boom in various other sectors.


It's like crying that 90% of the parasites are going to die if you pull them out of your body.  Jessh.

Let them find new hosts or die.
 
2013-11-01 04:26:24 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I have a Lexus plan.  It's like a regular plan, but it has more chrome.


I have the Escalade plan. I bought it with food stamps
 
2013-11-01 04:26:26 PM  
QFTA:

Her current plan, from Anthem Blue Cross, is a catastrophic coverage plan...

Now we see how much of a lying, two-faced slut biatch whore she is--arguing that her plan is just like ACA plans but more expensive.

I'm glad there's a political party for lying, two-faced, slut biatch whores. It's just that there's so many lying, two-faced, slut biatch whores.

You'd think I'd get used to that fact having attended Arizona State.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 04:26:35 PM  

maweimer9: Fair enough....but the health care industry is currently a 2.7 trillion dollar/year industry, admittedly not all of that is jobs from insurance companies, but a good chunk of that is. That's a lot of unemployment. And the economy hasn't recovered as fast as it could have b/c of mostly the right's obstruction given the implementation of their own health care plan. How much worse would it be if we went single payer??


Oh man.. if we were talking about factory workers being thrown out then the words "buggy whip" would have been brought up already.
 
2013-11-01 04:26:55 PM  
I get a huge chuckle out of the people saying, "My insurance plans are going up by (some number less than 10)%"

Have you looked at your insurance plans recently?  What % do you think they were going up year over year?

I'll give you a hint -- it's much, much more.
 
2013-11-01 04:30:14 PM  

whidbey: You're done here.


FitzShivering: Have you looked at your insurance plans recently? What % do you think they were going up year over year?


a plan costing $400 in 2013 going up 12% year over year would have cost less than $30 in 1990
 
2013-11-01 04:30:55 PM  

spmkk: Two Dogs Farking: "I wonder how much the Republican PACs are paying to DDOS healthcare.gov."


[i287.photobucket.com image 303x365]


Given the recent actions of the Republican party, absolutely NOTHING would surprise me. A party willing to shut down the government and threaten a default over a healthcare law is not a party that will refuse to cross any lines.

Until Republicans are out of power ENTIRELY, and the conservative Democratic party has a liberal party as its opposition, America will never be exceptional again. Period.
 
2013-11-01 04:31:00 PM  

sprawl15: whidbey: You're done here.


the gif is too damn big

well just imagine the greatest facepalm gif ever created
 
2013-11-01 04:31:31 PM  
Karac:
In reality, I imagine what actually happens is that you're charged $20 for any genital related concerns you may have, no matter which set you personally own.  That way they don't have to tailor plans specifically for men or women, they just charge the same thing for any of it.

That's where I was going with my comment. Sadly there is no factious/sarcasm font.
 
2013-11-01 04:32:17 PM  

kidgenius: maweimer9: whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.

I see single payer thrown around a lot on Fark (and else where).  Ideally, I agree on the concept and think it would provide the most efficient health care experience for the patient.

I think that is what draws so many people towards it is the experience for the patient.  I think what a lot of people do not understand is just how big the insurance industry is and how many people it employs.  I don't have any data (and frankly, I don't think many companies do either), but if you analyze the life cycle of a claim I would guess that there are hundreds of thousands of jobs, if not millions that depend on it.

For any one particular claim, there are 100's, if not 1000's of people who have touched the technical system, the administrative piece and even the actual working of the claim.  In other words, the politician who suggests single payer and finds a way to pass it, would most likely have to do it in his/her second term with the House and Senate on his/her side.  There's no way that's first term legislation given the amount of real job loss it would cause.

I believe this is a major factor why President Obama did not suggest it.  Well, this and the fact that he thought the right would champion with him given that it was their plan.  But I can almost guarantee that it weighed in the decision as well as not fighting as hard for the public option.

I looked at the numbers of some of the largest insurers. If they all went under tomorrow, you'd be looking at a few million jobs lost in an instant. That's a ton.

Ultimately you wouldn't lose 100% due to supplemental coverage plans, etc., but you'd only retain 10% of those employees most likely. It's a serious hit to the economy, but would be better in the long run. Plus, if we as ...


Glad you brought this up!  The thing is, you're not just dealing with those few million people.  For example, those big insurance companies outsource claim processing of other departments (like dental, vision) to other specialty companies that have systems better suited to process those claims.  So there's those jobs that are gone now.

Then you have to think of the surrounding businesses like restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores that will take a hit from less traffic.  Macro economically speaking, losing that many jobs that fast would be devastating.

Then you have to remember that these companies have lobbyists with huge pockets making sure that they don't go single payer.  Point is (and again I'm not against it philosophically), it would take a LONG time to recover.
 
2013-11-01 04:32:44 PM  
If I had my way, this woman would be locked up and rotting with the rest of the subversives.
 
2013-11-01 04:33:20 PM  

sprawl15: sprawl15: whidbey: You're done here.

the gif is too damn big

well just imagine the greatest facepalm gif ever created


like all the fingers on the hand are dicks and the face is your least favorite little pony
 
2013-11-01 04:33:37 PM  

JustLookin: I'm thinking of setting up a business where for a fee I help all of these idiots navigate the healthcare marketplace.  It's staggering the number of people in my Facebook feed who cannot see what is right in front of their faces.

So many of these people are lower-income white people who just want to be pissed at Obama.  They do their search on the website, find the worst plan, and post that to FB as if that's all they could find.  One idiot I know who claimed to have a $1200/mo income searched and found a bare bones plan at $263/mo or something and lamented his bad luck.  I went and searched using the same income data and found that because he was within 125% of the poverty lines, he'd get extensive premium support.  Yet he just threw up his hands and blamed Obama.

All these bootstrappy types become such whiny little biatches when the ACA is involved.  There's got to be a way for me to make money off of this.


Start your own facebook page and re:RE:re chain e-mail about 'this one trick to avoid Obamacare and sign-up YOUR WAY!!!1!"
For a fee, you can get their information then sign them up on the website.

/if you do this, I expect like a 1% idea fee
 
2013-11-01 04:34:12 PM  

skullkrusher: Rapmaster2000: I have a Lexus plan.  It's like a regular plan, but it has more chrome.

I have the Escalade plan. I bought it with food stamps


Escalaid
 
2013-11-01 04:34:37 PM  

skullkrusher: jst3p: Tyee: I'm paying more

Most of us have been paying more, every single year.

That's one thing that ain't gonna change


We could stop doing it in such an inefficient way though.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-01 04:36:13 PM  

skullkrusher: $4 of pills?! Good thing you have insurance! That's like $.12 a day! ;)

/congrats on beating the C


I don't need the insurance for the pills (and I don't generally use my insurance for them as they're on the $4 list at most pharmacies but I have a $5 generic copay), but the $30k in surgical and hospital bills and the ongoing care of an endocrinologist are kinda important.  I had to have blood tests every six weeks for a year after the surgery to get my TSH levels right again.

However, most critically, I will always be able to be responsible and purchase my own insurance regardless of whether my employer chooses to offer that benefit.  That's 100% because of Obamacare.  Before that, cancer survivors could go fark themselves as far as insurers were concerned.

This law has changed my life because I'm no longer desperately tied to corporate employment and now have the freedom to work in whatever field I choose or to open my own business.
 
2013-11-01 04:38:17 PM  

skullkrusher: jst3p: Tyee: I'm paying more

Most of us have been paying more, every single year.

That's one thing that ain't gonna change


But it won't stop you from blaming it all on Romneycare.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 04:39:44 PM  

jst3p: skullkrusher: jst3p: Tyee: I'm paying more

Most of us have been paying more, every single year.

That's one thing that ain't gonna change

We could stop doing it in such an inefficient way though.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]


it's a great graph, but the one that breaks down the graph into two colors with private and public spending is more telling.  France has a single payer system, and the U.S. pays more PUBLIC money to healthcare than the French do.
 
2013-11-01 04:40:14 PM  
I just went and poked around on the healthcare.gov site.  No technical issues at all, and with no ability to get subsidy help, there appears to be multiple "Gold" plans and one "Platinum" plan in the $250 - $310 range for me.  Assuming I make partner (fingers crossed), come Jan 1, I'll be responsible for the full freight of my health insurance, and the exchange appears to be offering me $80 - $170/mo. savings.   Wasn't able to get a good look at what the plan actually covers, so still more looking to do, but this seems like a positive development.
 
2013-11-01 04:42:14 PM  

d23: jst3p: skullkrusher: jst3p: Tyee: I'm paying more

Most of us have been paying more, every single year.

That's one thing that ain't gonna change

We could stop doing it in such an inefficient way though.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]

it's a great graph, but the one that breaks down the graph into two colors with private and public spending is more telling.  France has a single payer system, and the U.S. pays more PUBLIC money to healthcare than the French do.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-01 04:42:15 PM  

lennavan: sweetmelissa31: James!: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

Based on your vast knowledge of emergency rooms?

This is very suspicious. In my experience, the typical emergency room has never contained a perfectly healthy 18-45 year old.

Other than parents taking their kids of course.


Or people who have insurance have an actual emergency that requires something more than a bandage.

I wasn't feeling well; hadn't for several weeks. Made an appointment to see my dr. Had an x-ray and all sorts of stuff. My doctor said go to this hospital's ER (where he had privileges) and I'll have someone help you.

Five days and $50K of tests showed I had become a type II diabetic.

My point is that I spent about two hours in the ER -- AND I had insurance. A lot of people in the ER facility may have insurance . . . and also have an "emergency."

Oh, both my parents (also insured) made more than a few ER visits. That's where they take you when you have a "heart event" or something that suggests a stroke. I bet my mom was hauled away a dozen times by Medic One for heart events.
 
2013-11-01 04:43:56 PM  

tulax: Wasn't able to get a good look at what the plan actually covers, so still more looking to do, but this seems like a positive development.


In case you didn't know, a "gold" plan covers 80% of actuarial value and a "platinum" plan covers 90%. Those are determined by average costs for someone of your age/conditions, so if you get a platinum plan you will on average only have to pay 10% of all your health care costs. Obviously tailoring it to your own needs/finances will be able to make it functionally better than simply the actuarial value, but that's the baseline expectation to be able to even get those labels.

"Bronze" is 60%, and no plan is allowed to go less than that.
 
2013-11-01 04:48:36 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: skullkrusher: jst3p: Tyee: I'm paying more

Most of us have been paying more, every single year.

That's one thing that ain't gonna change

But it won't stop you from blaming it all on Romneycare.


On yeah? Why do you say that? Is it because you like the warm foolish feeling that making assumptions with no basis in reality gives you?
Is it because you're not bright enough to understand that not all conservatives are the same? Does judging people's actual opinions prove too difficult so you go with a one size fits all policy? Maybe something I didn't list?
 
2013-11-01 04:50:24 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: skullkrusher: $4 of pills?! Good thing you have insurance! That's like $.12 a day! ;)

/congrats on beating the C

I don't need the insurance for the pills (and I don't generally use my insurance for them as they're on the $4 list at most pharmacies but I have a $5 generic copay), but the $30k in surgical and hospital bills and the ongoing care of an endocrinologist are kinda important.  I had to have blood tests every six weeks for a year after the surgery to get my TSH levels right again.

However, most critically, I will always be able to be responsible and purchase my own insurance regardless of whether my employer chooses to offer that benefit.  That's 100% because of Obamacare.  Before that, cancer survivors could go fark themselves as far as insurers were concerned.

This law has changed my life because I'm no longer desperately tied to corporate employment and now have the freedom to work in whatever field I choose or to open my own business.


Congrats again and good luck
 
2013-11-01 04:54:21 PM  
img.fark.net

If that guy on the right would only piss on a spark plug, the site would be fixed by now!
 
2013-11-01 05:11:34 PM  

spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place?


Because severe illness strikes "totally healthy" people all the freakin' time. And as we haven't gone Ayn Rand to the point where we let people croak if they can't pay, the rest of us pick up the tab for those who decide to roll the dice on getting the cheap-ass plan.
 
2013-11-01 05:11:57 PM  

Cagey B: So she'll have to pay less for a shiatty catastrophic coverage plan that actually covers more doctor visits, or she can opt to pay the gargantuan sum of $40 a month extra and get a plan that's substantially better?

I can't wait for the anti-ACA shills to come in and start white-knighting her.


I call BS on both sides. How is the plan described in the article substantially better?

E.g.it covers more doctor visits per year, but in a smaller network. Unless you're a new born or under treatment for a specific ailment, who goes to the doctor more than twice a year?

Basically if you value all the things the alternative plan does better and discount all the things her current plan does better, then it is "substantially better."

Objectively it seemed more like a lateral move. So no, obamacare is not sending her to the death panel, but the plans offered are not soooo much better than her current plan either.
 
2013-11-01 05:12:53 PM  
When I was self-employed, the best plan (pre-ACA) I could get was at a rate of "go f**k yourself" per month, with a maximum out-of-pocket of "how about all of it" and a co-pay of "whatever the doctor charges you" per visit.
 
2013-11-01 05:16:13 PM  

jst3p: d23: jst3p: skullkrusher: jst3p: Tyee: I'm paying more

Most of us have been paying more, every single year.

That's one thing that ain't gonna change

We could stop doing it in such an inefficient way though.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]

it's a great graph, but the one that breaks down the graph into two colors with private and public spending is more telling.  France has a single payer system, and the U.S. pays more PUBLIC money to healthcare than the French do.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 746x471]


I wonder how many GOP supporters know that there are only about 3 other countries that spend more public money on health care than the US.
 
2013-11-01 05:16:24 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I have a Lexus plan.  It's like a regular plan, but it has more chrome.


I have an Acura plan.   It's like a regular Honda, but less chrome and more car analogies.
 
2013-11-01 05:17:39 PM  
maybe people don't want a government subsidized plan?
 
2013-11-01 05:22:19 PM  

Flappyhead: I wonder how many GOP supporters know that there are only about 3 other countries that spend more public money on health care than the US.


The only shocking thing to me is that nobody is on TV telling us that the reason healthcare is more expensive in the United States because of "diversity."

Apparently, some time in the last five years, saying that something wont work because of America's "diversity" turned from a dog whistle to a train whistle.

So that's kind of nice.

/// thanks obama
//// no, really.   thanks obama.
 
2013-11-01 05:26:06 PM  

havocmike: maybe people don't want a government subsidized plan?


Maybe sick and injured people  want to just die on the side of the road?

Ha ha... I'm just kidding.  In the old days, the family would take them home to die on the kitchen table.

// this was an actual argument made on a newspaper forum.  "My grandfather died of a burst appendix on the kitchen table, because his family didn't have enough money for a doctor. When did we turn from a nation of self-reliant men into a nation that depends on government handouts?"
 
2013-11-01 05:27:13 PM  

ox45tallboy: Kevin72: Legendary Oxtallboy, great to see you back! I have unlimited data with Sprint if that helps.

I'm at my parents' house for the past summer and for the next few months working on building a huge handicapped-accessible addition to their house. AT&T is the only choice I have for service, as Sprint coverage is horrible here, and high-speed is nonexistent.

I'm trying to get my Mom to sign up for Obamacare, but she's a staunch Republican who votes only on abortion, and therefore feels obligated to support their policy positions. On top of that, her extended family is full of Teatards that send her all kinds of FWD: FWD: FW: disinformation, and when I try to counter with actual facts, she accuses me of being "biased". Maybe I am. It's still frustrating when she refuses to look at the actual facts. Oddly enough, the part of Obamacare she most supports is the individual mandate, but she's completely against any form of socialized or single payer medicine. Oddly enough, my disabled Dad is on Medicare, and the only problems he has are related to the supplementary policy and privatized Part D (he just got switched this month to a new provider who won't cover his entire prescription for one set of pills, only half that amount).

/And why does everyone this week keep saying "welcome back"? My 'Recent' page shows 151 posts in the last 30 days, and 869 in the last 180. I haven't went anywhere!


This puts you in the same category as Joe DiMaggio who also had to say "I haven't gone anywhere" to answer the musical question "Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio".

www.mishalov.com
 
2013-11-01 05:34:17 PM  

ecl: You can gamble with bankruptcy all you want, but when you can't pay your hospital bills everyone else has to foot the bill.


What are the numbers on this? What percentage of healthcare provided does not get paid for?
 
2013-11-01 05:38:40 PM  

The Larch: Flappyhead: I wonder how many GOP supporters know that there are only about 3 other countries that spend more public money on health care than the US.

The only shocking thing to me is that nobody is on TV telling us that the reason healthcare is more expensive in the United States because of "diversity."

Apparently, some time in the last five years, saying that something wont work because of America's "diversity" turned from a dog whistle to a train whistle.

So that's kind of nice.

/// thanks obama
//// no, really.   thanks obama.


You still hear it brought up in single-payer arguments, though it's couched in "similar demographics" and stuff like that.
 
2013-11-01 05:41:43 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: ecl: You can gamble with bankruptcy all you want, but when you can't pay your hospital bills everyone else has to foot the bill.

What are the numbers on this? What percentage of healthcare provided does not get paid for?


Up to $49 billion per year on uninsured patients.

That number, however, does not include all of the insured patients who declare bankruptcy due to expenses, which is roughly 75% of medical bankruptcies in America
 
2013-11-01 05:47:00 PM  

aaronx: I must say that it is pretty frustrating to keep having to defend a Republican plan from Republican attacks.

Can you imagine the shrieking if we had managed to pass a 'public option'?


We will have come full circle when republicans propose a public option to allow their constituents to opt out of Obamacare.    (Shhh.  Don't say anything when they propose it.  They'll think they're really getting something over on the libs.)
 
2013-11-01 05:51:05 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: BojanglesPaladin: ecl: You can gamble with bankruptcy all you want, but when you can't pay your hospital bills everyone else has to foot the bill.

Up to $49 billion per year on uninsured patients.


That's sounds like an awfully big number. What percentage is that of the total?
 
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