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(LA Times)   So, the lady who's been making the rounds on cable news claiming that Obamacare is causing her to trade her cheap plan for an expensive one? Well, one reporter actually followed up with her on this, with unsurprising results   (latimes.com) divider line 415
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2013-11-01 03:09:05 PM

Mikey1969: And there is a certain farker who was claiming ignorance to these stories just an hour ago... I'm sure the slack-jawed yokel isn't here, of course...


let me guess, his handle begins with "Sloth?"
 
2013-11-01 03:09:56 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And the reporters who interviewed her without getting all the facts produced inexcusably shoddy work -- from Maria Bartiromo on down

Maria Bartiromo is a complete tool.


I'd put my tool in her shed. Even at this age
 
2013-11-01 03:10:34 PM
My family insurance plan premiums are going up an entire 3%. Thanks Bareefer Obonghit, history's greatest monster
 
2013-11-01 03:11:08 PM

whidbey: jst3p: InmanRoshi: Bf+: James!: Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need.

Um, that's what insurance is.

Hey, I'm a health nut.  Why do my insurance premiums and medicare payroll taxes have to go towards Lipitor, glucose strips, joint replacements and rascal scooters for the Fatty McFatFats?

Hrmph, no fair.  No one told me life in a greater communal society didn't come ala carte.    Next thing you know, you'll tell me that some of my tax dollars went to funding wars I thought were immoral.

I don't even use some of these roads, why do I have to pay for all of them?!?!

How about: if you make over 50K you get to use more of them?


I think if you have a Federal net tax liability (don't receive more in credits and deductions than you pay in) you should get to use the HOV lane even if you are alone.
 
2013-11-01 03:11:40 PM

BeesNuts:
I think we'll get to some more sensible state in the future.  I was just voicing a complaint I've been hearing from folks.  Apparently smokers can be specifically charged higher premiums, idk if this is true, so correct me if I'm wrong.  That's what annoys them, is that *their* unhealthy behavior is punished because it's politically correct-er than picking on fat people.

Far more unhealthy behavior, IMO, than "being a smoker" is "not having health insurance" and this law handles that pretty equitably, all things considered.


No, you're right about that. There's a checkbox for smoking that will automatically make you pay more. The "fat" thing is right now a little more slyly done with the discounts for people that are attempting to live a healthier lifestyle.
 
2013-11-01 03:12:04 PM

spman: No, I fully expect to be roundly criticized no matter what, ever since Fark went all derpy derpy liberal.


Or maybe you either haven't thought what you're saying through or perhaps they're so out of touch with real people's needs you deserve the criticism.

Sorry that liberals irritate you.
 
2013-11-01 03:12:33 PM

FlashHarry: Mikey1969: And there is a certain farker who was claiming ignorance to these stories just an hour ago... I'm sure the slack-jawed yokel isn't here, of course...

let me guess, his handle begins with "Sloth?"


Actually another one... I left a clue in my post. ;-)
 
2013-11-01 03:12:42 PM

Dog Welder: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

A friend of mine, in that age range, put his foot in a gopher hole he didn't see and tore is ACL.  Without insurance, it would have been a $20,000 surgery and rehab stint.  An emergency room will give you a knee brace and crutches and send you on your way.

That's why you need insurance.


Yep, without surgery for my Achilles's it would "recover" but with a 3x greater chance of re-injury and I would not be able to participate in some of the things I enjoy doing (basketball, soccer and softball) again.
 
2013-11-01 03:13:04 PM

Bender The Offender: My family insurance plan premiums are going up an entire 3%. Thanks Bareefer Obonghit, history's greatest monster


Mine's going up almost $130 per year for a family of 4. Less than inflation.

Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
2013-11-01 03:13:27 PM
Probably a good time to use the obvious tag.
 
2013-11-01 03:13:49 PM

BeesNuts: kidgenius: BeesNuts: Procerus: What is really surprising to me is the inability of the right to find anyone that can backup their claim that the ACA hurt them. I haven't seen a single story I can think of where complaints about increased premiums, policy cancellations, or reduced access to care turned out to be anything other than people who didn't understand, or were intentionally misinformed about the impact of Obamacare on their plan.

Are there any actual cases where someone is explicitly, verifiably, worse off now than they were before Obamacare was passed?

Smokers are kind of getting the shaft which they seem to feel more acutely because the fatties of the world are exempt from having their unhealthy lifestyle impact their premiums.  Or so I hear.  I haven't bothered to check the veracity because I don't give one single fark, but that's a thing, I suppose.

One thing insurance companies are starting to do is subsidize gym memberships and/or provide discounts if you can prove that you are going to a gym. They're wisening up about this too. They aren't charging the fatties more really, they're raising rates on everyone and then letting people who can show they are attempting to lead a healthier lifestyle, pay less.

I think we'll get to some more sensible state in the future.  I was just voicing a complaint I've been hearing from folks.  Apparently smokers can be specifically charged higher premiums, idk if this is true, so correct me if I'm wrong.  That's what annoys them, is that *their* unhealthy behavior is punished because it's politically correct-er than picking on fat people.

Far more unhealthy behavior, IMO, than "being a smoker" is "not having health insurance" and this law handles that pretty equitably, all things considered.


Yes, it is true. Smoking while not trying cessation therapy of some sort can lead to a 50% increase in your premium. And failure to report smoking can be considered fraud and grounds for recission of your policy.
 
2013-11-01 03:13:50 PM

whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.


Well if you consider the US has 88 Million people on a combination on either Medicaid or Medicare you already have a single payer system larger than  Canada,France,Germany,Italy andUnited Kingdom.

All you need to do is expand eligibility for those programs gradually.  You will reach a tipping point where everyone will be demanding it.
 
2013-11-01 03:14:09 PM

Lord_Baull: I, for one, am shocked that someone would be uninformed about ACA.


shiat even Sebelius seems confused
 
2013-11-01 03:14:10 PM

jst3p: This. If you aren't insured you are taking the risk of becoming the "taker" that the right wing warns us about.


A black chick with six kids and an SL550 purchased with food stamps?

'cuz that's pretty much what they imagine the takers to be....
 
2013-11-01 03:14:53 PM

kidgenius: BeesNuts:
I think we'll get to some more sensible state in the future.  I was just voicing a complaint I've been hearing from folks.  Apparently smokers can be specifically charged higher premiums, idk if this is true, so correct me if I'm wrong.  That's what annoys them, is that *their* unhealthy behavior is punished because it's politically correct-er than picking on fat people.

Far more unhealthy behavior, IMO, than "being a smoker" is "not having health insurance" and this law handles that pretty equitably, all things considered.

No, you're right about that. There's a checkbox for smoking that will automatically make you pay more. The "fat" thing is right now a little more slyly done with the discounts for people that are attempting to live a healthier lifestyle.


Smokers who feel particularly victimized by the Smoking penalty should rally together and put pressure on their local state representatives.   States are given the option to opt out of the penalty.
 
2013-11-01 03:16:11 PM

Procerus: What is really surprising to me is the inability of the right to find anyone that can backup their claim that the ACA hurt them. I haven't seen a single story I can think of where complaints about increased premiums, policy cancellations, or reduced access to care turned out to be anything other than people who didn't understand, or were intentionally misinformed about the impact of Obamacare on their plan.

Are there any actual cases where someone is explicitly, verifiably, worse off now than they were before Obamacare was passed?


There are plenty of people who think they're worse off because they think health insurance works a la carte and think they ought to get a discount on services they aren't personally using right this moment.
 
2013-11-01 03:16:17 PM

jst3p: Dog Welder: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

A friend of mine, in that age range, put his foot in a gopher hole he didn't see and tore is ACL.  Without insurance, it would have been a $20,000 surgery and rehab stint.  An emergency room will give you a knee brace and crutches and send you on your way.

That's why you need insurance.

Yep, without surgery for my Achilles's it would "recover" but with a 3x greater chance of re-injury and I would not be able to participate in some of the things I enjoy doing (basketball, soccer and softball) again.


I herniated a disc in my back about 4 years ago.  It wasn't life threatening, I was just in excruciating pain.  Without insurance the surgery would have cost $77K.

/Still have permanent nerve damage
//50% sensation on the outer half of my right leg.
 
2013-11-01 03:17:55 PM

mrshowrules: whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.

Well if you consider the US has 88 Million people on a combination on either Medicaid or Medicare you already have a single payer system larger than  Canada,France,Germany,Italy andUnited Kingdom.

All you need to do is expand eligibility for those programs gradually.  You will reach a tipping point where everyone will be demanding it.


I sure hope so. I believe that ultimately people hate insurance companies who profit from maladies and long-term health problems much more than these petty wrangles over politics.
 
2013-11-01 03:18:07 PM
And the reporters who interviewed her without getting all the facts produced inexcusably shoddy work -- from Maria Bartiromo on down. They not only did her a disservice, but failed the rest of us too.

This x 1,000,000
 
2013-11-01 03:18:13 PM

James!: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

Based on your vast knowledge of emergency rooms?


This is very suspicious. In my experience, the typical emergency room has never contained a perfectly healthy 18-45 year old.
 
2013-11-01 03:18:51 PM

whidbey: mrshowrules: whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.

Well if you consider the US has 88 Million people on a combination on either Medicaid or Medicare you already have a single payer system larger than  Canada,France,Germany,Italy andUnited Kingdom.

All you need to do is expand eligibility for those programs gradually.  You will reach a tipping point where everyone will be demanding it.

I sure hope so. I believe that ultimately people hate insurance companies who profit from maladies and long-term health problems much more than these petty wrangles over politics.


Difficulty: Health insurance lobbies own our government.
 
2013-11-01 03:19:18 PM

sweetmelissa31: James!: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

Based on your vast knowledge of emergency rooms?

This is very suspicious. In my experience, the typical emergency room has never contained a perfectly healthy 18-45 year old.


Two words: liberal plants.
 
2013-11-01 03:19:51 PM
Since I'm bored at work on a Friday afternoon, I went to healthcare.gov and went through the application process even though I have a decent plan and won't be changing.

1. It took about 15 minutes to get to the point where I could choose a plan.
2. I provided no sensitive personal information, not even SSN.
3. I don't qualify for any subsidy, but could get a gold plan for $377 a month (I'm 53), with a $1750 deductible, $5000 max out of pocket, $5 copays, and $5 generic prescriptions.

Yeah, what a clusterfark.
 
2013-11-01 03:20:06 PM

spman: BeesNuts: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

You're saying a notion is false because it doesn't jibe with your personal experience.  You realize this means you'll be roundly criticized, right?

No, I fully expect to be roundly criticized no matter what, ever since Fark went all derpy derpy liberal.


You would be less roundly criticized for claiming a certain statistical make-up of ER visits if you had a source.  Not even bothering was lazy.  Take a look, you were specifically criticized for thinking your "gut feelings" and anecdotes meant something.  Not for what you think, but for why you think it.
 
2013-11-01 03:20:25 PM
Look, the lady enjoyed getting kicked in the cooch by her insurance company. Why can't Fartbongo 0bummer just let her keep getting c-punted? Why is Osama Poopbama so intent on depriving her of what she wants?

This is America. F*ck Yeah! We'll do what we want!

i359.photobucket.com

/I forgot to take my pills.
 
2013-11-01 03:20:52 PM
But, but, but I'm an incredibly safe driver! Why am I required to get car insurance!?!?!
 
2013-11-01 03:21:10 PM

sweetmelissa31: James!: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

Based on your vast knowledge of emergency rooms?

This is very suspicious. In my experience, the typical emergency room has never contained a perfectly healthy 18-45 year old.


How about the staff?
 
2013-11-01 03:22:15 PM

Kevin72: Legendary Oxtallboy, great to see you back! I have unlimited data with Sprint if that helps.


I'm at my parents' house for the past summer and for the next few months working on building a huge handicapped-accessible addition to their house. AT&T is the only choice I have for service, as Sprint coverage is horrible here, and high-speed is nonexistent.

I'm trying to get my Mom to sign up for Obamacare, but she's a staunch Republican who votes only on abortion, and therefore feels obligated to support their policy positions. On top of that, her extended family is full of Teatards that send her all kinds of FWD: FWD: FW: disinformation, and when I try to counter with actual facts, she accuses me of being "biased". Maybe I am. It's still frustrating when she refuses to look at the actual facts. Oddly enough, the part of Obamacare she most supports is the individual mandate, but she's completely against any form of socialized or single payer medicine. Oddly enough, my disabled Dad is on Medicare, and the only problems he has are related to the supplementary policy and privatized Part D (he just got switched this month to a new provider who won't cover his entire prescription for one set of pills, only half that amount).

/And why does everyone this week keep saying "welcome back"? My 'Recent' page shows 151 posts in the last 30 days, and 869 in the last 180. I haven't went anywhere!
 
2013-11-01 03:22:24 PM

jst3p: Dog Welder: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

A friend of mine, in that age range, put his foot in a gopher hole he didn't see and tore is ACL.  Without insurance, it would have been a $20,000 surgery and rehab stint.  An emergency room will give you a knee brace and crutches and send you on your way.

That's why you need insurance.

Yep, without surgery for my Achilles's it would "recover" but with a 3x greater chance of re-injury and I would not be able to participate in some of the things I enjoy doing (basketball, soccer and softball) again.


And I can live without my ACL, just as long as I stick to playing video games and not moving quickly to the left. Not really fun in my estimation, so off to surgery I'll go and my insurance will pay for it. If I didn't have insurance, there'd be no way I could get the thing repaired. The fact is that if you have even a marginally active lifestyle, even your '20s should be spent insured. You probably could spend that first decade of adulthood getting fat and not moving without any immediate risk though.
 
2013-11-01 03:22:50 PM

sweetmelissa31: James!: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

Based on your vast knowledge of emergency rooms?

This is very suspicious. In my experience, the typical emergency room has never contained a perfectly healthy 18-45 year old.


Other than parents taking their kids of course.
 
2013-11-01 03:23:17 PM

jst3p: whidbey: mrshowrules: whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.

Well if you consider the US has 88 Million people on a combination on either Medicaid or Medicare you already have a single payer system larger than  Canada,France,Germany,Italy andUnited Kingdom.

All you need to do is expand eligibility for those programs gradually.  You will reach a tipping point where everyone will be demanding it.

I sure hope so. I believe that ultimately people hate insurance companies who profit from maladies and long-term health problems much more than these petty wrangles over politics.

Difficulty: Health insurance lobbies own our government.


Yeah big money does have the biggest influence, but many people are still yet to learn about industrial democracy is, and I have a feeling it's going to become more popular in the next 20 years. If even that long.
 
2013-11-01 03:23:17 PM

lockers: sweetmelissa31: James!: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

Based on your vast knowledge of emergency rooms?

This is very suspicious. In my experience, the typical emergency room has never contained a perfectly healthy 18-45 year old.

How about the staff?


That's what he said
 
2013-11-01 03:24:19 PM

ox45tallboy: /And why does everyone this week keep saying "welcome back"? My 'Recent' page shows 151 posts in the last 30 days, and 869 in the last 180. I haven't went anywhere!


We just missed you, sheesh. No farking gratitude around here.
 
2013-11-01 03:24:59 PM

skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: I, for one, am shocked that someone would be uninformed about ACA.

shiat even Sebelius seems confused


Of course, she was stupid/crazy enough to be elected as Governor of Kansas for shiat's sake.
 
2013-11-01 03:25:03 PM

BeesNuts: On the other side of things, this law benefits your 18-26 year olds by letting them stay on their parents plans.

So we're talking about healthy 27 to 45 year olds.  Who "don't need or want insurance".


Just be aware that there are 18 - 26 year olds who don't have the option of getting on the parents' plans.  I'm helping a couple of them negotiate the exchange so they can get some kind of insurance (even if it's expanded medicaid).  They both come from dysfunctional families where help from their parents is nonexistent.  There are kids out there who have been tossed out by their parents (or who walked away from abusive ones) who are going to be able to be helped.  I'm on a mini crusade trying to get kids like this that I know to get signed up.  Came from the experience of helping out one eighteen year old with a $3000 medical bill after she ended up in the ER for a burst ovarian cyst.  Everyone always talks about people walking away from medical bills but there are a lot who try and do the right thing and pay them, even though they are working low wage jobs and barely scraping by.
 
2013-11-01 03:25:35 PM

spman: If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place?


Because you will (probably) some day fall outside of the 18-45 age range, your odds of remaining totally healthy are low, nobody is at zero risk for hereditary illness and how often you get communicable diseases - unless you're spending your weekends sharing dirty needles and banging random strangers through truck stop glory holes - has very little to do with actuarial tables.

Your very first contribution to this thread was a fundamental misunderstanding of how health insurance and healthcare consumption work, you've done nothing but double-down on your demonstrably false view of the situation and yet you have the gall to claim that the reason you're being criticized is that Fark is liberal?

You're being criticized because you are choosing to be wrong despite overwhelming evidence presented to of your error. You seem to have confused objective reality with political affiliation. Perhaps you should reconsider your staunch determination in the face of facts and consider instead accepting and assimilating them so that in the future the opinions you form can be based upon arguable grounds?
A good way to avoid criticism, after all, is to not be wrong on purpose.
 
2013-11-01 03:25:44 PM

BeesNuts: spman: BeesNuts: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

You're saying a notion is false because it doesn't jibe with your personal experience.  You realize this means you'll be roundly criticized, right?

No, I fully expect to be roundly criticized no matter what, ever since Fark went all derpy derpy liberal.

You would be less roundly criticized for claiming a certain statistical make-up of ER visits if you had a source.  Not even bothering was lazy.  Take a look, you were specifically criticized for thinking your "gut feelings" and anecdotes meant something.  Not for what you think, but for why you think it.


Not only that, but his anecdotal evidence requires him to have been to an emergency room, which would contradict his claim.
 
2013-11-01 03:25:57 PM
I think that it boils down to the fact that when Obama said, "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.", he was not telling the truth. It doesn't matter if the plan is a better one. He said it repeatedly with no caveats. It is also coming out that when he said it, many in the administration knew this to be untrue.
 
2013-11-01 03:26:21 PM

whidbey: mrshowrules: whidbey: The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.

Well if you consider the US has 88 Million people on a combination on either Medicaid or Medicare you already have a single payer system larger than  Canada,France,Germany,Italy andUnited Kingdom.

All you need to do is expand eligibility for those programs gradually.  You will reach a tipping point where everyone will be demanding it.

I sure hope so. I believe that ultimately people hate insurance companies who profit from maladies and long-term health problems much more than these petty wrangles over politics.


When a tornado hits a town, you have police, fire, rescuers, emergency support all paid by taxes, showing up and helping people.  Someone is stuck in a tree with a stop sign jammed up his ass and then all becomes about the guy's health care insurance and who's going to pay.

It just doesn't make sense.  Capitalism is not a good tool for commodities/services with an inelastic demand.  Ironically, those who actually understand capitalism know this and know that the private health care insurance system are an abomination of capitalism.   You know capitalism works when it drives down cost and improves choice, if it doesn't, you know it was the wrong tool for the job.   Just as dumb as having insurance for police and fire services if not dumber when you consider epidemiological health issues which are a greater threat than invading countries and terrorism.

So painfully obvious to so many of us.  Not understanding this is really a good litmus test to people's critical thinking skills in general.
 
2013-11-01 03:27:09 PM
Hello everyone.

As per the pie chart being listed in every thread like this, a majority of people are not affected by this law at all.

So ask yourself, are you doing what you love in a job/career? If not, maybe get a job with benefits until you find that dream job.

While my gf jumps between jobs, we'll be on the exchange next month getting her a plan. And she'll qualify for under $100 a month after subsidies.

It's not a big deal. Then again, we're on Fark and we know it's not a big deal.
 
2013-11-01 03:27:24 PM
It so damn good they had to mandate it.

And most families are saving that $2,500.00 per year right? Or was that the plan you loved that is being canceled?

My gay nephew was pissed until he found out he gets free pap smears and cervical exams and His mom get prenatal!   And some of you people were skeptics and said she wouldn't qualify because she was over 55.

Me?  I'm get to pay 8% more to keep my Cadillac plan,... for now, good times.

$ Paying more
 
2013-11-01 03:28:04 PM

lockers: How about the staff?


They stay out of there. They don't want to get sick, because they're not insured.
 
2013-11-01 03:28:04 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: BeesNuts: spman: BeesNuts: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

You're saying a notion is false because it doesn't jibe with your personal experience.  You realize this means you'll be roundly criticized, right?

No, I fully expect to be roundly criticized no matter what, ever since Fark went all derpy derpy liberal.

You would be less roundly criticized for claiming a certain statistical make-up of ER visits if you had a source.  Not even bothering was lazy.  Take a look, you were specifically criticized for thinking your "gut feelings" and anecdotes meant something.  Not for what you think, but for why you think it.

Not only that, but his anecdotal evidence requires him to have been to an emergency room, which would contradict his claim.


Many people confuse "how it actually is" with "how it has to be in my imagination in order to back my argument".

Sounds like he is one of them.
 
2013-11-01 03:28:32 PM
Meanwhile, here in Washington State, I quickly browsed the state exchange site this morning and compared a bunch of plans to see if any of them beat my work plan (my company has 12 employees in the US, so we get shafted on group plans).

The prices were actually pretty competitive, but none of them had dental, which is what I really need covered. I had two teeth suffer resorbtion this yeah, so I had to drop $6000 out of pocket to get them extracted and implants put in. I've still got another $2000 or so to go next year when I get the implants capped.
 
2013-11-01 03:28:58 PM

busy chillin': BeesNuts: Lord_Baull: I, for one, am shocked that someone would be uninformed about ACA.

1) Deliberately misinform the public about the ACA.
2) Bring people you misinformed onto your network to describe their dissatisfaction with the ACA as they understand it.
3) Act shocked when these people are misinformed about the ACA.

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It's the circle of life


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2013-11-01 03:29:12 PM

Whodat: I think that it boils down to the fact that when Obama said, "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.", he was not telling the truth. It doesn't matter if the plan is a better one. He said it repeatedly with no caveats. It is also coming out that when he said it, many in the administration knew this to be untrue.


Surely this will cost him his re-election.
 
2013-11-01 03:29:31 PM

mrshowrules: [pinstripebindi.files.wordpress.com image 275x206]


Mrshow...made my Friday
//going home chuckling now
 
2013-11-01 03:29:39 PM

Tyee: $ Paying more


Dude, you need to stop this bullshiat.

You're not some rebel with a cause, you are embarrassing yourself.
 
2013-11-01 03:29:57 PM

ox45tallboy: Kevin72: Legendary Oxtallboy, great to see you back! I have unlimited data with Sprint if that helps.

I'm at my parents' house for the past summer and for the next few months working on building a huge handicapped-accessible addition to their house. AT&T is the only choice I have for service, as Sprint coverage is horrible here, and high-speed is nonexistent.

I'm trying to get my Mom to sign up for Obamacare, but she's a staunch Republican who votes only on abortion, and therefore feels obligated to support their policy positions. On top of that, her extended family is full of Teatards that send her all kinds of FWD: FWD: FW: disinformation, and when I try to counter with actual facts, she accuses me of being "biased". Maybe I am. It's still frustrating when she refuses to look at the actual facts. Oddly enough, the part of Obamacare she most supports is the individual mandate, but she's completely against any form of socialized or single payer medicine. Oddly enough, my disabled Dad is on Medicare, and the only problems he has are related to the supplementary policy and privatized Part D (he just got switched this month to a new provider who won't cover his entire prescription for one set of pills, only half that amount).


I feel like your conversations with your mom are much like those I have with my mom. She watches Fox News every day and is perpetually misinformed because of that. Every time we have any discussion revolving around politics, I feel like I'm just barely able to crack open the door and get her to see beyond the walls of their media empire, but then I leave or she goes back home, and it's right back to square one with her slamming the door shut.

Good luck with convincing your mom to get insured. I hope that she doesn't leave that plan on the table or that said decision comes back to bite her in the ass later.
 
2013-11-01 03:30:32 PM

BiblioTech: BeesNuts: On the other side of things, this law benefits your 18-26 year olds by letting them stay on their parents plans.

So we're talking about healthy 27 to 45 year olds.  Who "don't need or want insurance".

Just be aware that there are 18 - 26 year olds who don't have the option of getting on the parents' plans.  I'm helping a couple of them negotiate the exchange so they can get some kind of insurance (even if it's expanded medicaid).  They both come from dysfunctional families where help from their parents is nonexistent.  There are kids out there who have been tossed out by their parents (or who walked away from abusive ones) who are going to be able to be helped.  I'm on a mini crusade trying to get kids like this that I know to get signed up.  Came from the experience of helping out one eighteen year old with a $3000 medical bill after she ended up in the ER for a burst ovarian cyst.  Everyone always talks about people walking away from medical bills but there are a lot who try and do the right thing and pay them, even though they are working low wage jobs and barely scraping by.


This is worthwhile.  high five.
 
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