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(LA Times)   So, the lady who's been making the rounds on cable news claiming that Obamacare is causing her to trade her cheap plan for an expensive one? Well, one reporter actually followed up with her on this, with unsurprising results   (latimes.com) divider line 415
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2013-11-01 02:47:29 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Seriously, has there ever been a "outrage!" stated by any conservative Republican in the last 10 years that hasn't turned out to be a lie or at the very least an enormous exaggeration?

Really.  This has been so consistent in the last decade that it has gotten to the point of not even checking for any truth.
I'm sure that every conservative is really proud that every word they speak is so wrong that people just stare at them silently like I did when I would visit my mother in her memory care facility.


The truth is irrelevant to the narrative. The ends justify the means to them.
 
2013-11-01 02:47:37 PM

James!: spman: James!: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because accidents happen.

There's also a 4.75% chance of hitting blackjack in any random draw, but I'm not exactly going to the Casino and putting $100 a hand down waiting for it.

You can gamble with bankruptcy all you want, but when you can't pay your hospital bills everyone else has to foot the bill.  Get insurance kid.


This. If you aren't insured you are taking the risk of becoming the "taker" that the right wing warns us about.
 
2013-11-01 02:47:41 PM

bmongar: James!: I was a perfectly healthy 29 year old until I got hit by a cab one month and had a kidney stone the next.

Your fault for not looking where you were going and drinking too much soda/tea. 
Why should anyone else pay for your irresponsibility?

/I keed, it is sad I have to day that.


They didn't, I had insurance.
 
2013-11-01 02:47:41 PM

JustLookin: I'm thinking of setting up a business where for a fee I help all of these idiots navigate the healthcare marketplace.  It's staggering the number of people in my Facebook feed who cannot see what is right in front of their faces.


   This might actually be the biggest inherent fundamental flaw in Obamacare.   I think they can call it "Supermarket Self-Checkout Lane Syndrome".
 
2013-11-01 02:47:55 PM
Every time I see Maria Bartilomo, my pants have trouble fitting correctly.
 
2013-11-01 02:48:18 PM

spman: InmanRoshi: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because emergency rooms are filled with people in the 18-45 range that were until that point totally healthy.

Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience, but typically the reason people don't have health insurance is because they don't want it or can't afford it. Just because you force them to have it isn't going to resolve the second problem.

You talk about Republicans trying to wipe out the middle class by making sure the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, what do you think this is? You think the person working three minimum wage jobs just to keep food in their mouth and a roof over their head can afford to pay anything extra a month for insurance? You think the guy who makes between $30,000 - $40,000 a year and barely scrapes by due to his modest standard of living can afford to pay between $250 - $350 a month?


So you're for single payer, then.
 
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2013-11-01 02:48:22 PM

James!: spman: James!: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because accidents happen.

There's also a 4.75% chance of hitting blackjack in any random draw, but I'm not exactly going to the Casino and putting $100 a hand down waiting for it.

You can gamble with bankruptcy all you want, but when you can't pay your hospital bills everyone else has to foot the bill.   Get insurance kid.

 
2013-11-01 02:48:42 PM

aaronx: I must say that it is pretty frustrating to keep having to defend a Republican plan from Republican attacks.

Can you imagine the shrieking if we had managed to pass a 'public option'?


Typical Democratic failure in negotiation.  They always open with the compromise.  They should have demanded "single-payer" and fought tooth and nail for it and only begrudgingly accepting the regulation and the "public option" as a compromise.

The the GOP would be biatching and whining about why the country didn't have a personal mandate/exchanges today instead of a public option.  Actually, it would probably look alot the derpfest today but at least the US would be one step closer to single payer than it is now.
 
2013-11-01 02:49:21 PM

aaronx: I must say that it is pretty frustrating to keep having to defend a Republican plan from Republican attacks.

Can you imagine the shrieking if we had managed to pass a 'public option'?


The shrieking would be worth it if we had managed to pass a public option
 
2013-11-01 02:49:24 PM

James!: spman: James!: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because accidents happen.

There's also a 4.75% chance of hitting blackjack in any random draw, but I'm not exactly going to the Casino and putting $100 a hand down waiting for it.

You can gamble with bankruptcy all you want, but when you can't pay your hospital bills everyone else has to foot the bill.  Get insurance kid.


My favorite part is that his age range is 18 to FORTY FIVE.  First off, hands up, who's thirty+ and completely lacks health issues in here?  My guess is... one?  On the high end.  On the other side of things, this law benefits your 18-26 year olds by letting them stay on their parents plans.

So we're talking about healthy 27 to 45 year olds.  Who "don't need or want insurance".

What's your guess?  I think this kid's 19.
 
2013-11-01 02:49:27 PM
spman: [words]

Sure you can derp, but can you herp the derp when sh*t gets real?
 
2013-11-01 02:49:44 PM

Procerus: What is really surprising to me is the inability of the right to find anyone that can backup their claim that the ACA hurt them. I haven't seen a single story I can think of where complaints about increased premiums, policy cancellations, or reduced access to care turned out to be anything other than people who didn't understand, or were intentionally misinformed about the impact of Obamacare on their plan.

Are there any actual cases where someone is explicitly, verifiably, worse off now than they were before Obamacare was passed?


David Frum reported that he'll have to spend $200 a month more to get insurance with essentially the same cost sharing. He didn't comment on what kinds of care his prior policy covered and what his new policy will cover. I can't cry too much for him though; he almost certainly makes a good chunk of money writing for CNN and The Daily Beast and can almost certainly dump the legal maximum into his HSA every year.
 
2013-11-01 02:49:45 PM

Serious Black: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

You won't fall within that 18-45 range and be totally healthy forever. Either you'll get hit by a bus or develop cancer while still in that age range and spend a ton of money treating those things, or you'll grow old and THEN get hit by a bus or develop cancer and spend a ton of money treating those things.


Hell, that description fits me to a tee. I rarely go to the doctor or get sick.

My Achilles's snapped this year requiring surgery, without insurance I would have been fooked. Life happens kid.
 
2013-11-01 02:50:13 PM

spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience


The plural form of anecdote is bullshiat.
 
2013-11-01 02:50:43 PM

spman: InmanRoshi: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because emergency rooms are filled with people in the 18-45 range that were until that point totally healthy.

Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience, but typically the reason people don't have health insurance is because they don't want it or can't afford it. Just because you force them to have it isn't going to resolve the second problem.

You talk about Republicans trying to wipe out the middle class by making sure the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, what do you think this is? You think the person working three minimum wage jobs just to keep food in their mouth and a roof over their head can afford to pay anything extra a month for insurance? You think the guy who makes between $30,000 - $40,000 a year and barely scrapes by due to his modest standard of living can afford to pay between $250 - $350 a month?


Except under the Affordable Care Act, the guy making $30,000 a year wouldn't be paying $250 a month... A silver policy would cost him, on average, $210. A Bronze policy would cost him about $160.
 
2013-11-01 02:50:58 PM
The really funny thing about this is that we're not even talking about single payer or UHC.

I can't imagine the mountains of derp that are going to fall when we get to that point in our society.

It's going to be tragicomic.
 
2013-11-01 02:51:21 PM

ox45tallboy: BeesNuts: Is that seriously the best video you could find?

Yes, I'm on limited bandwidth tethered to my cell, which is currently throttled because I'm over my data limit. If you can find a better one, by all means, post it.


Ah, gotcha.  I might just.  That was abysmal.

Here.
 
2013-11-01 02:51:26 PM

blackminded: aaronx: I must say that it is pretty frustrating to keep having to defend a Republican plan from Republican attacks.

Can you imagine the shrieking if we had managed to pass a 'public option'?

The shrieking would be worth it if we had managed to pass a public option


The shrieking justifies itself. Watching the impotent rage would be hilarious.
 
2013-11-01 02:51:54 PM

spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,


Good lord.
 
2013-11-01 02:52:01 PM

FlashHarry: same thing happened when that salon reporter followed up with some hannity guests. it was all rightwing lies and bullshiat, as usual.


And there is a certain farker who was claiming ignorance to these stories just an hour ago... I'm sure the slack-jawed yokel isn't here, of course...
 
2013-11-01 02:52:29 PM

BeesNuts: James!: spman: James!: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because accidents happen.

There's also a 4.75% chance of hitting blackjack in any random draw, but I'm not exactly going to the Casino and putting $100 a hand down waiting for it.

You can gamble with bankruptcy all you want, but when you can't pay your hospital bills everyone else has to foot the bill.  Get insurance kid.

My favorite part is that his age range is 18 to FORTY FIVE.  First off, hands up, who's thirty+ and completely lacks health issues in here?  My guess is... one?  On the high end.  On the other side of things, this law benefits your 18-26 year olds by letting them stay on their parents plans.

So we're talking about healthy 27 to 45 year olds.  Who "don't need or want insurance".

What's your guess?  I think this kid's 19.


I'll be 30 in a little over a month, and under an infinitely long lookback window, I would have at least three pre-existing conditions that could be permanently barred from coverage: hydrocele removal, atrial fibrillation, and major depressive disorder. There goes treatment for my genitals, my heart, and my brain!
 
2013-11-01 02:52:55 PM

spman: InmanRoshi: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because emergency rooms are filled with people in the 18-45 range that were until that point totally healthy.

Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience, but typically the reason people don't have health insurance is because they don't want it or can't afford it. Just because you force them to have it isn't going to resolve the second problem.

You talk about Republicans trying to wipe out the middle class by making sure the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, what do you think this is? You think the person working three minimum wage jobs just to keep food in their mouth and a roof over their head can afford to pay anything extra a month for insurance? You think the guy who makes between $30,000 - $40,000 a year and barely scrapes by due to his modest standard of living can afford to pay between $250 - $350 a month?


So conservatives care about the poors now that they can use them as a means to their political end?

Cute.
 
2013-11-01 02:53:07 PM
I read the whole thing then went wtf...the moonie times wrote that? then realized it wasn't
 
2013-11-01 02:53:43 PM

Procerus: What is really surprising to me is the inability of the right to find anyone that can backup their claim that the ACA hurt them. I haven't seen a single story I can think of where complaints about increased premiums, policy cancellations, or reduced access to care turned out to be anything other than people who didn't understand, or were intentionally misinformed about the impact of Obamacare on their plan.

Are there any actual cases where someone is explicitly, verifiably, worse off now than they were before Obamacare was passed?


Smokers are kind of getting the shaft which they seem to feel more acutely because the fatties of the world are exempt from having their unhealthy lifestyle impact their premiums.  Or so I hear.  I haven't bothered to check the veracity because I don't give one single fark, but that's a thing, I suppose.
 
2013-11-01 02:54:45 PM
"Cavallaro told me she hasn't checked the website of Covered California, the state's health plan exchange, herself. "

Obamacare discriminates against the lazy!
 
2013-11-01 02:55:08 PM

spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience, but typically the reason people don't have health insurance is because they don't want it or can't afford it. Just because you force them to have it isn't going to resolve the second problem.


By Rand's might pen you're right!

BURN IT ALL DOWN!! BURN IT ALL!!!
 
2013-11-01 02:55:29 PM

Serious Black: who's thirty+ and completely lacks health issues in here?


Besides vision, I have no other health issues I treat. I have not had any for the better part of a decade that is my 30's.
 
2013-11-01 02:56:10 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Maria Barteromo isn't an intelligent news reporter who delves deep into issues and prepares meticulously for interviews?

Imagine my shock.


Or, you could be nice and say that "there are intelligent reporters who select timely topics, prepare diligently by thoroughly studying their subject and their interviews. None of those reporters are named Maria Barteromo."
 
2013-11-01 02:56:19 PM

James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.


I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.
 
2013-11-01 02:57:17 PM

spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.


Based on your vast knowledge of emergency rooms?
 
2013-11-01 02:57:58 PM

spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.


Because slightly racist anecdotes are much better than actual statistics. Got any more?
 
Bf+
2013-11-01 02:58:05 PM

James!: Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need

.

Um, that's what insurance is.
 
2013-11-01 02:58:19 PM

James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.


Just occurred to me -- if he's young and healthy and rarely has to see the doctor, exactly what is his "experience" with emergency rooms?
 
2013-11-01 02:58:35 PM

Bf+: James!: Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need.

Um, that's what insurance is.


Hey man, I didn't say that shiat.
 
2013-11-01 02:58:54 PM

spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.


You must have hit "Add Comment" prematurely. I am sure you meant to add:

I base this on the following citation ...
 
2013-11-01 02:58:57 PM

Two Dogs Farking: I wonder how much the Republican PACs are paying to DDOS healthcare.gov.


Why would anyone pay to DDOS a site that has such a horrendous backend none of the pieces work together anyway?
 
2013-11-01 02:59:22 PM

urbangirl: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

Just occurred to me -- if he's young and healthy and rarely has to see the doctor, exactly what is his "experience" with emergency rooms?


I bet he'll try to convince us he's a doctor.
 
2013-11-01 02:59:42 PM

spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.


You're saying a notion is false because it doesn't jibe with your personal experience.  You realize this means you'll be roundly criticized, right?
 
2013-11-01 03:01:08 PM
I just completed Open Enrollment where I work and guess how much my insurance went up..............Zero dollars. Zilch. Nada. I will be paying the same amount this year as I did last year.
/Thanks Obama
//this in no way reflects the rest of the country but I thought I'd share
 
Bf+
2013-11-01 03:01:55 PM

James!: Bf+: James!: Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need.

Um, that's what insurance is.

Hey man, I didn't say that shiat.



aaaaaand I suck at quoting...
Sorry, dude.
/hides in corner
 
2013-11-01 03:01:58 PM

ox45tallboy: BeesNuts: Is that seriously the best video you could find?

Yes, I'm on limited bandwidth tethered to my cell, which is currently throttled because I'm over my data limit. If you can find a better one, by all means, post it.


Legendary Oxtallboy, great to see you back! I have unlimited data with Sprint if that helps.
 
2013-11-01 03:02:26 PM

BeesNuts: Procerus: What is really surprising to me is the inability of the right to find anyone that can backup their claim that the ACA hurt them. I haven't seen a single story I can think of where complaints about increased premiums, policy cancellations, or reduced access to care turned out to be anything other than people who didn't understand, or were intentionally misinformed about the impact of Obamacare on their plan.

Are there any actual cases where someone is explicitly, verifiably, worse off now than they were before Obamacare was passed?

Smokers are kind of getting the shaft which they seem to feel more acutely because the fatties of the world are exempt from having their unhealthy lifestyle impact their premiums.  Or so I hear.  I haven't bothered to check the veracity because I don't give one single fark, but that's a thing, I suppose.


One thing insurance companies are starting to do is subsidize gym memberships and/or provide discounts if you can prove that you are going to a gym. They're wisening up about this too. They aren't charging the fatties more really, they're raising rates on everyone and then letting people who can show they are attempting to lead a healthier lifestyle, pay less.
 
2013-11-01 03:03:18 PM

BeesNuts: spman: James!: spman: Actually the typical emergency room is more full of the mentally ill, senior citizens, and immigrants than anything else in my experience,

Good lord.

I'm not saying that this is wrong, or that these people do not belong in the emergency room, because clearly many of them do. What I am saying is that the notion of an emergency room filled with people that should be insured, but aren't, is a false one.

You're saying a notion is false because it doesn't jibe with your personal experience.  You realize this means you'll be roundly criticized, right?


No, I fully expect to be roundly criticized no matter what, ever since Fark went all derpy derpy liberal.
 
2013-11-01 03:05:35 PM

Two Dogs Farking: I wonder how much the Republican PACs are paying to DDOS healthcare.gov.


Paying? Sheeeeit, beltway reporters are doing it for free.
 
2013-11-01 03:06:23 PM

Bf+: James!: Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need.

Um, that's what insurance is.


Hey, I'm a health nut.  Why do my insurance premiums and medicare payroll taxes have to go towards Lipitor, glucose strips, joint replacements and rascal scooters for the Fatty McFatFats?

Hrmph, no fair.  No one told me life in a greater communal society didn't come ala carte.    Next thing you know, you'll tell me that some of my tax dollars went to funding wars I thought were immoral.
 
2013-11-01 03:06:26 PM

kidgenius: BeesNuts: Procerus: What is really surprising to me is the inability of the right to find anyone that can backup their claim that the ACA hurt them. I haven't seen a single story I can think of where complaints about increased premiums, policy cancellations, or reduced access to care turned out to be anything other than people who didn't understand, or were intentionally misinformed about the impact of Obamacare on their plan.

Are there any actual cases where someone is explicitly, verifiably, worse off now than they were before Obamacare was passed?

Smokers are kind of getting the shaft which they seem to feel more acutely because the fatties of the world are exempt from having their unhealthy lifestyle impact their premiums.  Or so I hear.  I haven't bothered to check the veracity because I don't give one single fark, but that's a thing, I suppose.

One thing insurance companies are starting to do is subsidize gym memberships and/or provide discounts if you can prove that you are going to a gym. They're wisening up about this too. They aren't charging the fatties more really, they're raising rates on everyone and then letting people who can show they are attempting to lead a healthier lifestyle, pay less.


I think we'll get to some more sensible state in the future.  I was just voicing a complaint I've been hearing from folks.  Apparently smokers can be specifically charged higher premiums, idk if this is true, so correct me if I'm wrong.  That's what annoys them, is that *their* unhealthy behavior is punished because it's politically correct-er than picking on fat people.

Far more unhealthy behavior, IMO, than "being a smoker" is "not having health insurance" and this law handles that pretty equitably, all things considered.
 
2013-11-01 03:06:59 PM

spman: James!: spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?

Because accidents happen.

There's also a 4.75% chance of hitting blackjack in any random draw, but I'm not exactly going to the Casino and putting $100 a hand down waiting for it.


In your casino, when get a blackjack the dealer punches you in the face.  Sometimes the dealer is an 80 pound woman, sometimes a professional heavyweight boxer, and you don't know which is which.

You're telling me that you're not going to put down a 50 cent side bet that saves your from getting punched and buys you a mild slap instead?
 
2013-11-01 03:07:16 PM

InmanRoshi: Bf+: James!: Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need.

Um, that's what insurance is.

Hey, I'm a health nut.  Why do my insurance premiums and medicare payroll taxes have to go towards Lipitor, glucose strips, joint replacements and rascal scooters for the Fatty McFatFats?

Hrmph, no fair.  No one told me life in a greater communal society didn't come ala carte.    Next thing you know, you'll tell me that some of my tax dollars went to funding wars I thought were immoral.


I don't even use some of these roads, why do I have to pay for all of them?!?!
 
2013-11-01 03:07:51 PM

spman: Here the thing though. If you fall within that 18-45 range, are totally healthy, have no risk for any hereditary illness, and never get sick besides the occasional cold, why should you be forced into buying insurance in the first place? Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need and won't use and pay an extra $40 a month for them?


A friend of mine, in that age range, put his foot in a gopher hole he didn't see and tore is ACL.  Without insurance, it would have been a $20,000 surgery and rehab stint.  An emergency room will give you a knee brace and crutches and send you on your way.

That's why you need insurance.
 
2013-11-01 03:08:30 PM

jst3p: InmanRoshi: Bf+: James!: Why should you be forced to buy a plan you don't want that offers features you don't need.

Um, that's what insurance is.

Hey, I'm a health nut.  Why do my insurance premiums and medicare payroll taxes have to go towards Lipitor, glucose strips, joint replacements and rascal scooters for the Fatty McFatFats?

Hrmph, no fair.  No one told me life in a greater communal society didn't come ala carte.    Next thing you know, you'll tell me that some of my tax dollars went to funding wars I thought were immoral.

I don't even use some of these roads, why do I have to pay for all of them?!?!


How about: if you make over 50K you get to use more of them?
 
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