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(LA Times)   So, the lady who's been making the rounds on cable news claiming that Obamacare is causing her to trade her cheap plan for an expensive one? Well, one reporter actually followed up with her on this, with unsurprising results   (latimes.com) divider line 415
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2013-11-01 11:48:34 AM  
same thing happened when that salon reporter followed up with some hannity guests. it was all rightwing lies and bullshiat, as usual.
 
2013-11-01 11:55:33 AM  
Looks like the link is making the same claims as the lady.
 
2013-11-01 12:04:17 PM  
Gee, any bets on the whole "millions will lose their insurance or have to pay 2-3-10 times as much" Conservative talking point having all the validity as their "The Obamacare website cost $600 million" talking point?
 
2013-11-01 12:09:18 PM  

FlashHarry: i saw that story linked in a salon article. i think it's this link:  http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77990231/


thanks for the link. That story is about what I expected.
I just had a similar conversation with my mother (who has a medicare substitute plan) but thought she would have to choose and lose a bunch of coverage. Of course, she doesn't. She and my dad have been watching Fox and never even checked to see if they could save some dough. I walked them through the website. Even though they don't qualify for subsidy, there were several options that are cheaper than and very similar to their current coverage. They need to stop believing the news and investigate for themselves!
 
2013-11-01 12:18:07 PM  
So.  What's based on lies again?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-01 12:21:29 PM  
I'm still waiting for the first poll data on how many people even wanted to keep these crap plans.


Still, I wonder wonder they keep farking up this way.  There has to be someone out there who had a crappy plan and is willing to claim they wanted to keep it, even if they are lying.  Maybe those sorts of people didn't have any insurance at all, but you would think that some politico would have forseen this and found some guy that hates Obama and set him up with a substandard plan just for this circumstance.

It's not like they haven't been tripped up this way many many times before.
 
2013-11-01 12:22:59 PM  

ManateeGag: So.  What's based on lies again?


pretty much the entire republican platform.
 
2013-11-01 12:27:17 PM  
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2013-11-01 12:34:44 PM  
I wonder how much the Republican PACs are paying to DDOS healthcare.gov.
 
2013-11-01 12:35:18 PM  
And the reporters who interviewed her without getting all the facts produced inexcusably shoddy work -- from Maria Bartiromo on down

Maria Bartiromo is a complete tool.
 
2013-11-01 12:35:36 PM  

mrshowrules: [pinstripebindi.files.wordpress.com image 275x206]


I wonder if she still has a residual scar on her face...

/at least now she can get some quality care if needed...
 
2013-11-01 12:38:05 PM  
And the reporters who interviewed her without getting all the facts produced inexcusably shoddy work -- from Maria Bartiromo on down. They not only did her a disservice, but failed the rest of us too.

Shoot your television.
 
2013-11-01 12:45:29 PM  

Two Dogs Farking: I wonder how much the Republican PACs are paying to DDOS healthcare.gov.


Have all my photos 'shopped to include a tin-foil hat, but I'm convinced just by the volume and frenzy of these "news stories" and all the other BS going on right now that money is being spent at a desperate rate to damage ACA and Obama as much as possible while there's still a chance.

I'm just hoping the Koch brothers go broke soon.
 
2013-11-01 12:46:46 PM  
So she'll have to pay less for a shiatty catastrophic coverage plan that actually covers more doctor visits, or she can opt to pay the gargantuan sum of $40 a month extra and get a plan that's substantially better?

I can't wait for the anti-ACA shills to come in and start white-knighting her.
 
2013-11-01 12:51:11 PM  

Cagey B: I can't wait for the anti-ACA shills to come in and start white-knighting her


I wouldn't hold my breath. They tend to stay away from these threads.
 
2013-11-01 01:08:21 PM  
Ah.  Ok.  So she's an attention-whoring sack of shiat.  Too harsh lady?  Throwing out politically and/or attention-getting bullshiat isn't that big of a deal but there are plenty of people out there, many not very smart (admittedly), who need help but will shy away from investigating their own health insurance situation thanks to your assholery.
 
2013-11-01 01:10:03 PM  
Another instance of the right crying wolf.
 
2013-11-01 01:12:50 PM  
I just went through this morning explaining to a bunch of wingers that their insurance costs won't rise if they can't afford it and that their coverage will go up.

These people are retarded.
 
2013-11-01 01:18:47 PM  
Is this a different woman, or a repeat of the four other "news media debunks persons claims about Obamacare" stories we've had this week?
 
2013-11-01 01:27:34 PM  
1) fight against Obama (lose)
2) fight against Obama as a straw-man/empty chair (lose)
3) fight against Obama's legacy (lose)

They really have to switch gears and start losing against Biden or Hillary.
 
2013-11-01 01:32:05 PM  

mrshowrules: They really have to switch gears and start losing against Biden or Hillary.


Already tried that:

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2013-11-01 01:38:05 PM  
Didn't we have someone on fark who thought this was going to happen to her? I seem to remember her getting made fun of quite a bit.
 
2013-11-01 01:38:59 PM  

UberDave: Ah.  Ok.  So she's an attention-whoring sack of shiat.  Too harsh lady?  Throwing out politically and/or attention-getting bullshiat isn't that big of a deal but there are plenty of people out there, many not very smart (admittedly), who need help but will shy away from investigating their own health insurance situation thanks to your assholery.


So this woman is a realtor... getting her face out there on the talking-head programs.  Viewers of those programs aren't exactly fact-checking what's thrown their way, so to them she's just a local celebrity now with similar political views.  A little name recognition, face recognition and before you know it she'll be challenging Cookie Kwan on the East Side.

Yes, THAT Cookie Kwan, #1 on the East Side!

vpb: I'm still waiting for the first poll data on how many people even wanted to keep these crap plans.


I'm trying to think of an analogy, where the government stepped in and dramatically altered an industry like this.  I think airbags in cars works... at first people thought they were expensive luxuries and yeah there were some growing pains.  But now, even if you could, would you want to go without an airbag to save a few bucks?  And just like health insurance, you're just one other dumb-f*ck driver away from needing it 10 ways to Tuesday no matter how careful you are.
 
2013-11-01 01:46:16 PM  
People seem to forget a key word that the President said: "If you *like* the plan you have, you get to keep it."

Who the hell *likes* those crap plans that don't pay for sh*t and get canceled as soon as you actually get sick?
 
2013-11-01 01:48:33 PM  

factoryconnection: Yes, THAT Cookie Kwan, #1 on the East Side!


STAY OUT OF THE EAST SIDE!

/It was the west side, BTW
 
2013-11-01 01:53:29 PM  

ox45tallboy: People seem to forget a key word that the President said: "If you *like* the plan you have, you get to keep it."


He should have said, "If you like the plan you have, and the insurance company continues to offer it, you can keep it".

I really hate it when someone over-reacts to someone else's action and blames the initial event.

"They attacked us!  So we have to spy on you to prevent future attacks.  Blame them not me!"

"My insurance got cancelled because Obamacare, not the whim of some insurance company."

"We have to lay off 400 workers because Clinton got elected and he might raise taxes in the future!"  (happened to my Dad.  /CSB)
 
2013-11-01 01:58:09 PM  

Deedeemarz: They need to stop believing the news and investigate for themselves!


I believe the phrase you are looking for is "Study it out".
 
2013-11-01 02:02:08 PM  

James!: Another instance of the right crying wolf "i'm a dumbass".

 
2013-11-01 02:08:18 PM  
When I read about her originally, I stopped at the point where she said that she hadn't bothered to look on coveredca.com, because that tells me that she's obviously as dumb as a rock and it's a waste of everyone's time to pursue her "plight" any further.
 
2013-11-01 02:10:23 PM  

haemaker: "My insurance got cancelled because Obamacare, not the whim of some insurance company."


The new regulations in the Affordable Care Act make this one sort of true; insurance companies would happily fleece the rubes till the cows come home otherwise. It's like saying that a crooked casino has to close because of new gaming commission regulations; they don't have to close, but they won't be as profitable if they follow the new regulations, so they close and blame "government regulations" for not being able to provide their customers with the "gaming experience" they want - never mind the fact that no one actually wanted a "gaming experience" which provided no way for the punter to win.

I'm still looking for someone who says they actually "liked" their insurance coverage that was cancelled. I'm sure there is someone out there, but I haven't found them yet.
 
2013-11-01 02:14:23 PM  
It doesn't matter. No one who believed her in the first place will be swayed by anything this reporter writes.
 
2013-11-01 02:14:31 PM  
There undeniably will be people in the individual market today who will come out losers. They will pay more for insurance that covers the same or less services with the same or more cost sharing. They will argue that they should not be paying for others' health care. If they want to argue that, I'd be happy to ask them if those who cannot afford to pay for their own health care should just die.
 
2013-11-01 02:15:52 PM  
It's funny I read about the "Bronze" plans and think "OMG that plan is so shiatty why in the hell would anyone buy that" and then I find out that before many individual plans where even shiattier than that before Obamacare.

I guess if you were a young healthy guy and just wanted a plan in case you got hit by a bus, it might be ok.
 
2013-11-01 02:16:55 PM  

Lost Thought 00: It doesn't matter. No one who believed her in the first place will be swayed by anything this reporter writes.


Yep.
 
2013-11-01 02:18:50 PM  
Vicar It's about this letter you sent me regarding my insurance claim.
Devious Oh, yeah, yeah - well, you see, it's just that we're not...as yet...totally satisfied with the grounds of your claim.
Vicar But it says something about filling my mouth in with cement.
Devious Oh well, that's just insurance jargon, you know.
Vicar But my car was hit by a lorry while standing in the garage and you refuse to pay my claim.
Devious(rising and crossing to a filing cabinet) Oh well, reverend Morrison...in your policy...in your policy...(he open the drawer of the filing cabinet and takes out a shabby old sports jacket; he feels in the pocket and pulls out a crumbled dog-eared piece of paper then puts the coat back and shuts the filing cabinet)...here we are. It states quite clearly that no claim you make will be paid.
Vicar Oh dear.
Devious You see, you unfortunately plumped for our 'Neverpay' policy, which, you know, if you never claim is very worthwhile...but you had to claim, and, well, there it is.
 
2013-11-01 02:19:30 PM  

Lost Thought 00: It doesn't matter. No one who believed her in the first place will be swayed by anything this reporter writes.


Yea, but it arms the friends and families of people like this, who can then show them their options.

I wonder how Obamacare is for insurance brokers who cater to individuals?  It seems like they might be worse off so they help introduce confusion.

Hmm, a real estate agent being misled by an insurance agent.  How fitting.

"I'm going to let you in on a little secret. The right insurance is the insurance that's for sale. And the right person is anyone."
 
2013-11-01 02:19:55 PM  
Maria Barteromo isn't an intelligent news reporter who delves deep into issues and prepares meticulously for interviews?

Imagine my shock.
 
2013-11-01 02:20:45 PM  
I, for one, am shocked that someone would be uninformed about ACA.
 
2013-11-01 02:22:23 PM  
Will the various cable news shows that featured this woman making false claims now make a point of correcting their stories on air?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !

/man it hurts to laugh that hard.
 
2013-11-01 02:22:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: And the reporters who interviewed her without getting all the facts produced inexcusably shoddy work -- from Maria Bartiromo on down

Maria Bartiromo is a complete tool.


they all work for Wall St and big business.
 
2013-11-01 02:23:38 PM  
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2013-11-01 02:23:41 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Maria Barteromo isn't an intelligent news reporter who delves deep into issues and prepares meticulously for interviews?

Imagine my shock.


oh she does her job just fine. she's paid to defend the bottom line of the corporations.
 
2013-11-01 02:24:13 PM  
The sad truth is that Cavallaro has been very poorly served by the health insurance industry

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2013-11-01 02:25:17 PM  

vpb: I'm still waiting for the first poll data on how many people even wanted to keep these crap plans.



Problem is that, like this woman, there are many who have no idea they have a crap plan.
Half her talking points were debunked because she didn't even know what she had.
She just looked at numbers and made assumptions.
 
2013-11-01 02:26:12 PM  

Hobodeluxe: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Maria Barteromo isn't an intelligent news reporter who delves deep into issues and prepares meticulously for interviews?

Imagine my shock.

oh she does her job just fine. she's paid to defend the bottom line of the corporations.


No, she's paid to be a Money Honey.  The folks watching her on CNBC don't need convincing to be on the side of corporate interests.

She's the eye candy there to balance out the visual of Dobby the House Elf Larry Kudlow.
 
2013-11-01 02:26:15 PM  

factoryconnection: UberDave: Ah.  Ok.  So she's an attention-whoring sack of shiat.  Too harsh lady?  Throwing out politically and/or attention-getting bullshiat isn't that big of a deal but there are plenty of people out there, many not very smart (admittedly), who need help but will shy away from investigating their own health insurance situation thanks to your assholery.

So this woman is a realtor... getting her face out there on the talking-head programs.  Viewers of those programs aren't exactly fact-checking what's thrown their way, so to them she's just a local celebrity now with similar political views.  A little name recognition, face recognition and before you know it she'll be challenging Cookie Kwan on the East Side.

Yes, THAT Cookie Kwan, #1 on the East Side!

vpb: I'm still waiting for the first poll data on how many people even wanted to keep these crap plans.

I'm trying to think of an analogy, where the government stepped in and dramatically altered an industry like this.  I think airbags in cars works... at first people thought they were expensive luxuries and yeah there were some growing pains.  But now, even if you could, would you want to go without an airbag to save a few bucks?  And just like health insurance, you're just one other dumb-f*ck driver away from needing it 10 ways to Tuesday no matter how careful you are.


I've been thinking of it like a white collar OSHA.  Your employer is required to provide you with a moderately safe working environment.  There's an agency dedicated to accepting reports to the contrary and investigating, and there are numerous regulations covering a slew of industries.

Reason: Employees can not be reasonably expected to accurately assess the dangers associated with the work they are being compelled to do for a paycheck.  They have neither the bargaining posture, nor the expertise to make those judgements.

Now, we've created an entity that requires insurers to provide you with moderately comprehensive coverage.  There's a system in place with regulations just like OSHA has.

Reason: People can not be reasonably expected to accurately assess their own health risks, and they have neither the bargaining posture to debate their risks, nor the expertise to make judgements about what those risks are.

It's just protecting consumers from shady corner cutting and poorly written contracts like OSHA protects employees.  Otherwise, at least the rationale behind it's necessity is very similar.
 
2013-11-01 02:27:02 PM  

Serious Black: There undeniably will be people in the individual market today who will come out losers. They will pay more for insurance that covers the same or less services with the same or more cost sharing. They will argue that they should not be paying for others' health care. If they want to argue that, I'd be happy to ask them if those who cannot afford to pay for their own health care should just die.


The sad point is that they already are paying for the uninsured. Now with Obamacare, they'll still pay some to covered the  less insuredsinstead of the  completely un-insureds. And frankly, if he was paying very little, then he was the subsidized one, for sure.
 
2013-11-01 02:27:08 PM  
People are actually lying about PPACA, often for ideological reasons?, but sometimes just out of fear and stupidity?

Color me shocked.  I would never have guessed that Humans would do such a thing.

/next you'll be telling me that medicare is a government program or some such hogwash.
 
2013-11-01 02:27:28 PM  
I went to 0bamacare.gov and it took 33 minutes to load and then I discovered that it installed a trojan on my computer that linked my checking and savings account directly to the presidents and was taking all of my money. I called to complain and had to press one for English. I was on hold for 27 minutes then it just went skaweeeeeeeeee-errrrrt. I hung up. But if I wanted health insurance I would have gotten health insurance. I DON'T WANT IT! I am a healthy white male with Jesus on my side. I have all the protection I need.
 
2013-11-01 02:28:33 PM  

Lord_Baull: I, for one, am shocked that someone would be uninformed about ACA.


1) Deliberately misinform the public about the ACA.
2) Bring people you misinformed onto your network to describe their dissatisfaction with the ACA as they understand it.
3) Act shocked when these people are misinformed about the ACA.
 
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