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2013-11-01 03:34:55 PM
3 votes:
Also I love the insinuation that them doing it in plain sight was the stupid thing.  Yea at midnight in a dark alley would be a much smarter choice.

Visibility is the whole point numbnuts.
2013-11-01 03:33:23 PM
2 votes:

topcon: cretinbob: Why is it even legal to sell guns out of the trunk of your car?


Oh yeah "zombies" are going to take over.....

It's called a "face to face transaction" and it's completely legal in almost every state.  The headline was misleading, it was a pre-arranged sale, just not some dude randomly selling guns out of his car to passerbys.  Regularly selling guns out of your car would, in fact, run afoul of having no FFL license, but there is not set "limit" on what this might be, you're simply not supposed to routinely profit from the sale of firearms without a license.  Even though people do this and get away with it, technically, you're not supposed to, but again, the laws are very ambiguous.

Long story short:  Guy who wanted to (very legally, it must be stated) sell a gun to another person met in a dumb place to do it.


It probably wasn't even a dumb place, a lot of times banks are in strip malls and the like.  So the meet could have been "hey let's meet in the Target parking lot on x street" (which has a bank on the corner).

The person(s) in the bank should be charged with misuse of 911 should be the story here.
2013-11-01 03:18:10 PM
2 votes:

cretinbob: Why is it even legal to sell guns out of the trunk of your car?


Oh yeah "zombies" are going to take over.....


It's called a "face to face transaction" and it's completely legal in almost every state.  The headline was misleading, it was a pre-arranged sale, just not some dude randomly selling guns out of his car to passerbys.  Regularly selling guns out of your car would, in fact, run afoul of having no FFL license, but there is not set "limit" on what this might be, you're simply not supposed to routinely profit from the sale of firearms without a license.  Even though people do this and get away with it, technically, you're not supposed to, but again, the laws are very ambiguous.

Long story short:  Guy who wanted to (very legally, it must be stated) sell a gun to another person met in a dumb place to do it.
2013-11-01 04:14:55 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: Ow! That was my feelings!: BeesNuts: I think requiring a license to sell your guns isn't unreasonable

So, I need a license to sell one gun? I'm sure Dems won't try and make it super expensive and difficult to get said license.

//An 800 number to the US DOJ and give them buyers name, dob, and ssn, they say yes or no. That's it. That is all that is needed to run a background, not enough for ya? Then you want way more than just background checks.

No, I just want some reasonable guarantee that they are being conducted.  If you're asking *me* I think the license should cost between 35 and 50 dollars and require registration, perhaps some kind of exam to show you understand your state's laws, and very little, if anything else.  Failures to conduct background checks for a sale are obviously difficult to spot until someone uses the gun in question to commit a crime, but in that event, the license should be revoked, the owner's status as a dealer reviewed and some kind of scaled suspension can be put into place.

Like a driver's license.

If you assume that the dems want to take your guns away forever and ever, then you're incapable of debate on the topic.  It's a battle, and the lines are drawn for you if you think that way.


I don't assume ALL Dems want gun prohibition, but every gun prohibitionist I've debated/known for the last 20 years has been a Dem.
2013-11-01 04:09:13 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: Once you have a list of licensed firearm dealers you can handle things a bit better.


http://www.atf.gov/content/contact-us/FOIA/listing-of-FFLs

BeesNuts: But it gets even easier to manage if there are specific places where gun sales are expected to occur, with the added bonus of people might expect to see guns there.


Like the gunshows that certain people like to lose their shiat over?

BeesNuts: The license is only as good as the issuers ability to enforce their licensing regulations on the licensees.


The BATFE is pretty hardcore about their regulation of licensees. What gets completely ignored though is the people who try to buy guns from licensed dealers and fail their background checks. Those people are committing felonies by attempting to purchase firearms as prohibited possessors,  they're perjuring themselves on the 4473 form, and they're provoding all the evidence needed for a slam dunk prosecution. All that happens though, is that those people have to leave the shop without the gun they wanted to buy. Almost zero of them (over 1 million since the inception of the NICS program) are ever prosecuted.

So why in the hell is that elephant in the room so ignored?
2013-11-01 03:58:50 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: I think requiring a license to sell your guns isn't unreasonable


So, I need a license to sell one gun? I'm sure Dems won't try and make it super expensive and difficult to get said license.

//An 800 number to the US DOJ and give them buyers name, dob, and ssn, they say yes or no. That's it. That is all that is needed to run a background, not enough for ya? Then you want way more than just background checks.
2013-11-01 03:55:59 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: This implies you didn't trust the guy(s) you sold the gun(s) to.

I'm not sure this is a compelling argument.


*shrug* Its a decent test for people I picked up years ago from doing craigslist sales.  Sketchy people  never want to meet at a bank...  and if they commit a crime like robbery on the bank property, it elevates the crime to actual bank robbery.
2013-11-01 03:55:12 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: meanmutton: BeesNuts: IRQ12: Also I love the insinuation that them doing it in plain sight was the stupid thing.  Yea at midnight in a dark alley would be a much smarter choice.

Visibility is the whole point numbnuts.

What's wrong with one or the other participants homes, assuming we really don't care who's buying or selling because tyranny or whatever.

When you're buying or selling any item of value, doing it in public generally is a good way to keep from getting robbed.

So you think the guy you want to sell your gun to might be a robber?

That's not very responsible.


It goes for any high value transaction. You could be selling an expensive toaster and someone might decide they want your toaster but they'd rather not pay for it.

Conversely, claiming you've got something expensive to sell (whether you really do or not) is an easy way to get an unsuspecting mark to bring you a nice pile of cash.

The best bet is to handle everything in a public place where nobody is going to feel like they can get away with anything hinky and to give the buyer and seller a chance to feel each other out, and to safely abort if anything doesn't seem right.
2013-11-01 03:54:31 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: meanmutton: BeesNuts: IRQ12: Also I love the insinuation that them doing it in plain sight was the stupid thing.  Yea at midnight in a dark alley would be a much smarter choice.

Visibility is the whole point numbnuts.

What's wrong with one or the other participants homes, assuming we really don't care who's buying or selling because tyranny or whatever.

When you're buying or selling any item of value, doing it in public generally is a good way to keep from getting robbed.

So you think the guy you want to sell your gun to might be a robber?

That's not very responsible.


Yes, it is.

PS: you're making a really pitiful argument.
2013-11-01 03:51:11 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: meanmutton: BeesNuts: meanmutton: cretinbob: Why is it even legal to sell guns out of the trunk of your car?


Oh yeah "zombies" are going to take over.....

Why shouldn't it be?

Because people with serious mental health issues or prior criminal history shouldn't be allowed to buy guns willy-nilly and you probably aren't doing a background check from the trunk of your car.

And you think that making it illegal for people to sell a gun in a public place will somehow make it MORE likely that background checks are going to occur?  How would forcing people to do this in a private place, away from cameras and the public, increase the chances of someone running a background check?

I think requiring a license to sell your guns isn't unreasonable, but I'm sure you'll all compare guns to tomatoes and ask why that would be ok when farmers markets don't have to have licenses.


Requiring a licensed individual to process firearm transactions is something which could reasonably be argued to reduce the chance of someone with serious mental health issues being able to buy a firearm willy-nilly.  Prohibiting the transaction from occurring in the sight of the public, however, can not.
2013-11-01 03:48:10 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: What's wrong with one or the other participants homes, assuming we really don't care who's buying or selling because tyranny or whatever.


You want strangers you met on the internet coming to your home for high value transactions?

Alternately, do you want to go to some internet stranger's home with a bunch of cash or a valuable firearm?

I've got a few rules for any such transaction:
1. Do the transaction in a public place that is not your home.
2. Maintain situational awareness.
3. Have at least friend with you.
4. Never get into the other party's vehicle.
 
Generally I also recommend that you and your friend be discreetly armed if that's legal in your area.
2013-11-01 03:46:21 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: IRQ12: Also I love the insinuation that them doing it in plain sight was the stupid thing.  Yea at midnight in a dark alley would be a much smarter choice.

Visibility is the whole point numbnuts.

What's wrong with one or the other participants homes, assuming we really don't care who's buying or selling because tyranny or whatever.


Maybe in my bedroom?  Or how about my work?  Maybe I can just leave a "honor system" drop box full of weapons on my porch?


It's kind of stupid to advertise "I have stuff to steal" then giving complete strangers your address so they can no show then come rob you.
2013-11-01 03:46:10 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: ..., one of the men is a former deputy who left the department several years ago....
Must be one of those heroic police officers we keep being told exist.

// at least it's clear why no charges are/will be filed.


No charges are being filed because what they did wasn't illegal.  I once sold a gun in the parking lot of my bank, because the guy I was selling it to wanted to get his cash from there.  Of course, it was Alaska, where you could probably sell a gun in the parking lot of the police station and the only thing that would be said was "nice gun".  The point is, you don't have to be a cop to avoid charges.  It's no more illegal to sell a gun privately in a parking lot than it would be to sell a car there.
2013-11-01 03:43:16 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: What's wrong with one or the other participants homes, assuming we really don't care who's buying or selling because tyranny or whatever.


You go to the homes of random people you've met on the internet?  There's some ads on Craigslist I'd like you to answer...
2013-11-01 03:43:00 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: IRQ12: Also I love the insinuation that them doing it in plain sight was the stupid thing.  Yea at midnight in a dark alley would be a much smarter choice.

Visibility is the whole point numbnuts.

What's wrong with one or the other participants homes, assuming we really don't care who's buying or selling because tyranny or whatever.


When you're buying or selling any item of value, doing it in public generally is a good way to keep from getting robbed.
2013-11-01 03:39:45 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: What's wrong with one or the other participants homes, assuming we really don't care who's buying or selling because tyranny or whatever.


What's wrong with a parking lot, assuming we don't really care about hurt feelings over *gasp* seeing a gun?
2013-11-01 03:31:31 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: I guess, selling firearms on private property that isn't yours...


Not illegal

BeesNuts: I didn't mean to imply that we know he was selling, let alone that we know he was selling without a license. But I'm pretty sure it's not okay for you to come to my front lawn and set up a table, license or no.


Eventually you are going to get around to reading the article so that you actually learn something about what you are talking about.  Yes, he was selling a firearm.  Yes, it was a completely legal transaction.  No, he isn't being charged for the transaction (because it was completely legal).  The only charge being mentioned is because some panties got soaked by people who saw a gun and freaked out.
2013-11-01 03:30:46 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: Why is it even legal to sell guns out of the trunk of your car?


Same reason it's legal to sell anything else out of the trunk of your car that you and the seller can both legally own - because we don't live in a totalitarian police state. Yet.
2013-11-01 02:49:48 PM
1 votes:
If it was BofA, he was probably charging a transaction fee, a 'talking to a live person' fee, a parking fee,  an 'opportunity cost' fee, a large bills fee, a small bills fee, a count the change fee, an online fee AND a penalty for not being online fee...and a fee fee.
2013-11-01 02:25:45 PM
1 votes:
Seems to me like a bank would be a perfect place, so that you don't have to run off somewhere to get money for the purchase.
2013-11-01 02:17:22 PM
1 votes:
How many more instances like this are we willing to accept before we finally close the Bank Parking Lot Loophole??
2013-11-01 02:06:23 PM
1 votes:
Shouldn't the inciting panic charge go to the pants pisser in the bank?


How is exercising your rights considered inciting panic?


Fundamentally transform America....gee thanks democrats.
2013-11-01 12:52:01 PM
1 votes:
What more stupid a thing could you do than set right there in a picture window, loading and unloading a gun?", Lavender said.

They were loading and unloading guns? I thought you said they were selling them?

While no arrests were made, Lavender says he will present the case to the county prosecutor for a possible charge of inciting panic.

This is stupid. Non story.
 
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