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(The Atlantic Wire)   Whistleblower: DHS employees regularly claim overtime hours they do not actually work. On the bright side, at least those are hours they're not actively groping people in line at the airport   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 57
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2013-11-01 10:22:06 AM
We're now paying people to not grope random strangers?
 
2013-11-01 12:20:02 PM

dkendr: We're now paying people to not grope random strangers?


If that's the case I'm owed some back-pay.. and I'm three years from retirement, if those years count.
 
2013-11-01 12:21:40 PM
Sorry, libs, but we need a Department of Homeland Security to keep The Homeland safe from terrorism.  To think otherwise is just engaging in pre-9/11 thinking.  Don't you remember the day those towers fell?  I bet you wanted to protect Saddam Hussein too.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-11-01 12:22:07 PM
DHS reply will be just like the NSA reply yesterday; that is the cost of freedom...
 
2013-11-01 12:26:38 PM
This is the kind of whistleblowing Obama claims to approve of:  waste, fraud abuse, not, you know, revealing secret policies he approved of.
 
2013-11-01 12:26:48 PM
When an 35 year old hefty woman probes the inside of your anus with a rubber glove because you didn't take off your shoes quickly enough for her, that is freedom my friends, you naughty people you!
 
2013-11-01 12:28:47 PM
We're they paid a buck o five an hour?  Cuz freedom isn't free, ya know.
 
2013-11-01 12:29:03 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: When an 35 year old hefty woman probes the inside of your anus with a rubber glove because you didn't take off your shoes quickly enough for her, that is freedom my friends, you naughty people you!


http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/defensemech_ 7. htm
 
2013-11-01 12:29:21 PM
9 million dollars?  What is that, like 5 lines of code from healthcare.gov?  Big deal.
 
2013-11-01 12:30:40 PM
They're only following the lead of their superiors in Congress.
 
2013-11-01 12:31:08 PM
DHS encompasses a lot more than just TSA (ICE CBP Witness Protection and parts of the FBI are also invovled) they dont like the DHS shield any more than you do however.

/back to your regularly scheduled rants
 
2013-11-01 12:33:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: Sorry, libs, but we need a Department of Homeland Security to keep The Homeland safe from terrorism.  To think otherwise is just engaging in pre-9/11 thinking.  Don't you remember the day those towers fell?  I bet you wanted to protect Saddam Hussein too.

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Not a lib, but we need to keep out 1% rich with a fake never ending war.  Besides, those towers were full of asbestos and needed to be torn down.  Everyone wins!
 
2013-11-01 12:34:18 PM
*our
 
2013-11-01 12:35:05 PM
Employees have apparently been claiming AUO for years, to the tune of $8.7 million annually

I can't seem to get too worked up about this. There are so many cases of wasteful spending that 8.7 million doesn't really set off any alarms.

Of course, we don't want people cheating the system. Anyone caught fudging their timesheets like this ought to be reprimanded. However, we spend more than that in 1 hour fighting the war in Afghanistan.

Trying to stop the bleeding by looking for paper cuts doesn't make sense when blood is gushing out of your penis.
 
2013-11-01 12:39:48 PM
"To profesionalize we must federalize"
-- DNC

// Told you so.
 
2013-11-01 12:40:15 PM
What could you do with a tax refund that encompasses the re numeration of wasted and stolen tax dollars from the past decade or so?
 
2013-11-01 12:41:12 PM
If Boner can block one law because of another one that passed = sedition, and not get charged.
If Obama can get a law passed that noone read and was really not laid out very well....
If Obama can lie outright over and over to the American people.
If GM can get a bailout only to build its new factories in China...
If we can have secret courts and hold people without a trial....
If we have a secret spy program that noone elected seems to be in charge of...
If our constitutional right to bear arms is usurped by a gov that pretends it needs ALL the ammo....
If we can spy on the Pope.
If we can murder innocent men, women, and children (with drones).
If we allow our police to act like pigs, sitting home hoping they don't break in and kill OUR dog for no reason.

Then yes, maybe a few measly wankers will not only think they can get away with cheating on their hours, but in fact, they feel they are in good company.
 
2013-11-01 12:41:12 PM
Yes this is a problem, but it's a problem in the corporate world too.
 
2013-11-01 12:41:36 PM
But terrorism.
 
2013-11-01 12:41:52 PM
Rapmaster2000


Sorry, libs, but we need a Department of Homeland Security to keep The Homeland safe from terrorism. To think otherwise is just engaging in pre-9/11 thinking. Don't you remember the day those towers fell? I bet you wanted to protect Saddam Hussein too.

Would be more effective snark if it hadn't been the dims calling for this federal groping department.
 
2013-11-01 12:41:54 PM

paygun: 9 million dollars?  What is that, like 5 lines of code from healthcare.gov?  Big deal.


You raise in interesting spectrum for a new paradigm in cost analysis... we no longer use dollars (as those totals are too large and can not be grasped by most), instead we now should use "lines of healthcare.gov code" as the new official metric of fraud/waste/abuse.
 
2013-11-01 12:41:56 PM
You can tell Democrats are worthless because they never even considered eliminating DHS.
 
2013-11-01 12:42:42 PM

OnlyM3: Rapmaster2000


Sorry, libs, but we need a Department of Homeland Security to keep The Homeland safe from terrorism. To think otherwise is just engaging in pre-9/11 thinking. Don't you remember the day those towers fell? I bet you wanted to protect Saddam Hussein too.
Would be more effective snark if it hadn't been the dims calling for this federal groping department.


More like dimbotards, amirite brother!
 
2013-11-01 12:43:34 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Employees have apparently been claiming AUO for years, to the tune of $8.7 million annually

I can't seem to get too worked up about this. There are so many cases of wasteful spending that 8.7 million doesn't really set off any alarms.

Of course, we don't want people cheating the system. Anyone caught fudging their timesheets like this ought to be reprimanded. However, we spend more than that in 1 hour fighting the war in Afghanistan.

Trying to stop the bleeding by looking for paper cuts doesn't make sense when blood is gushing out of your penis.


Technically if you read the document as opposed to the article its stating that they weren't "qualified" to work, not that they didn't work. Meaning managers were telling people that they could clock overtime and were approving overtime. The issue is that legally overtime could only be done for certain "qualified" duties primarily field work.
 
2013-11-01 12:44:44 PM

Nem Wan: This is the kind of whistleblowing Obama claims to approve of:  waste, fraud abuse, not, you know, revealing secret policies he approved of.


Tell us all about the secret policies.
 
2013-11-01 12:45:59 PM

MindStalker: AverageAmericanGuy: Employees have apparently been claiming AUO for years, to the tune of $8.7 million annually

I can't seem to get too worked up about this. There are so many cases of wasteful spending that 8.7 million doesn't really set off any alarms.

Of course, we don't want people cheating the system. Anyone caught fudging their timesheets like this ought to be reprimanded. However, we spend more than that in 1 hour fighting the war in Afghanistan.

Trying to stop the bleeding by looking for paper cuts doesn't make sense when blood is gushing out of your penis.

Technically if you read the document as opposed to the article its stating that they weren't "qualified" to work, not that they didn't work. Meaning managers were telling people that they could clock overtime and were approving overtime. The issue is that legally overtime could only be done for certain "qualified" duties primarily field work.


Get out of here with your non-outragey correct analysis.
 
2013-11-01 12:46:38 PM

Rapmaster2000: Sorry, libs, but we need a Department of Homeland Security to keep The Homeland safe from terrorism.  To think otherwise is just engaging in pre-9/11 thinking.  Don't you remember the day those towers fell?  I bet you wanted to protect Saddam Hussein too.

[t1.gstatic.com image 227x222]




Are you my uncle? If so...thanks for the preview of this year's Thanksgiving. I'll make sure I "forget" to bring ice again so I have an excuse to go "fetch some" and your kids and I will go smoke a joint while you piss everyone off.

/seriously, we have a bet going that we are going to show up one year and the ol'
 
2013-11-01 12:47:42 PM
You could have just hired people to pitchfork  giant haystacks of money into a massive furnace and still done more for the economy and airline security.
 
2013-11-01 12:47:42 PM
"Department of Homeland Security" still sounds too Nazi for me. I can't hear it without a bad Hollywood German accent and "Ya vol" from Hogan's Heroes after it appearing in my head.

Perhaps it's appropriate.
 
2013-11-01 12:48:44 PM

johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: When an 35 year old hefty woman probes the inside of your anus with a rubber glove because you didn't take off your shoes quickly enough for her, that is freedom my friends, you naughty people you!

http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/defensemech_ 7. htm


Hey, projection works, so don't knock it! :-P

As for the DHS, I will say that George Carlin is right and it's only there for one thing, "To make white people feel safe."

t.fod4.com

/George was a prophet and didn't even know it!
 
2013-11-01 12:49:15 PM

Rapmaster2000: Sorry, libs, but we need a Department of Homeland Security to keep The Homeland safe from terrorism.  To think otherwise is just engaging in pre-9/11 thinking.  Don't you remember the day those towers fell?  I bet you wanted to protect Saddam Hussein too.

[t1.gstatic.com image 227x222]


Are you my uncle? If so...thanks for the preview of this year's Thanksgiving. I'll make sure I "forget" to bring ice again so I have an excuse to go "fetch some" and my cousins and I will go smoke a joint while you piss everyone off.


/seriously, we have a bet going that we are going to show up one year and the ol' boy will have that exact tattoo somewhere :D

 
2013-11-01 12:51:39 PM

rogue_L_chick: Rapmaster2000: Sorry, libs, but we need a Department of Homeland Security to keep The Homeland safe from terrorism.  To think otherwise is just engaging in pre-9/11 thinking.  Don't you remember the day those towers fell?  I bet you wanted to protect Saddam Hussein too.

[t1.gstatic.com image 227x222]

Are you my uncle? If so...thanks for the preview of this year's Thanksgiving. I'll make sure I "forget" to bring ice again so I have an excuse to go "fetch some" and your kids and I will go smoke a joint while you piss everyone off.

/seriously, we have a bet going that we are going to show up one year and the ol'


Once I was dating this woman and I went to her house for Thanksgiving.  Her brother and I got high before dinner which was great because her conservative uncle showed up and spouted some choice one-liners.  My favorite one was something about "you know how the blacks are.. always drinking their Budweiser.  You know they always drink that."

First of all, I could stereotype about twenty "black" drinks better than Budweiser.  He is technically right because I assume they do drink a lot of Bud considering it's the number 1 beer in the world, but I also assume a lot of the _____ drink Budweiser.  I was trying so hard not to bust up laughing.  Since when did racists get so lazy?
 
2013-11-01 12:53:13 PM
FARK THAT WHOLE SYSTEM of UNAMERICAN ASSHOLES.

Really.

It's post 9/11 bandwagon patriot bloat.
 
2013-11-01 12:54:14 PM

Begoggle: MindStalker: AverageAmericanGuy: Employees have apparently been claiming AUO for years, to the tune of $8.7 million annually

I can't seem to get too worked up about this. There are so many cases of wasteful spending that 8.7 million doesn't really set off any alarms.

Of course, we don't want people cheating the system. Anyone caught fudging their timesheets like this ought to be reprimanded. However, we spend more than that in 1 hour fighting the war in Afghanistan.

Trying to stop the bleeding by looking for paper cuts doesn't make sense when blood is gushing out of your penis.

Technically if you read the document as opposed to the article its stating that they weren't "qualified" to work, not that they didn't work. Meaning managers were telling people that they could clock overtime and were approving overtime. The issue is that legally overtime could only be done for certain "qualified" duties primarily field work.

Get out of here with your non-outragey correct analysis.


I've all but stopped reading articles that are based on documents in the last year. I just read the damn document, 90% of the time the article is bullshiat.
 
2013-11-01 12:57:54 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: When an 35 year old hefty woman probes the inside of your anus with a rubber glove because you didn't take off your shoes quickly enough for her, that is freedom my friends, you naughty people you!


Wow, our experiences have been dramatically different at the airport.

The officer that inspected you was a woman?  And wore gloves?  And you didn't have to pay for it?

Oh wait a minute, that wasn't at the airport...  Uhh, never.. never mind.
 
2013-11-01 01:22:25 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Employees have apparently been claiming AUO for years, to the tune of $8.7 million annually

I can't seem to get too worked up about this. There are so many cases of wasteful spending that 8.7 million doesn't really set off any alarms.

Of course, we don't want people cheating the system. Anyone caught fudging their timesheets like this ought to be reprimanded. However, we spend more than that in 1 hour fighting the war in Afghanistan.

Trying to stop the bleeding by looking for paper cuts doesn't make sense when blood is gushing out of your penis.


I think the Broken Window Theory applies here too: when minor transgressions become acceptable, then people will keep upping the ante until there's resistance. Taking care of the small stuff reduces the likelihood of worse stuff happening.
 
2013-11-01 01:23:01 PM
Rapmaster2000: You know how the blacks are.. always drinking their Budweiser.  You know they always drink that.

www.raceweekillustrated.com
Pictured: "the blacks"
 
2013-11-01 01:25:55 PM

Arctic Phoenix: DarkSoulNoHope: When an 35 year old hefty woman probes the inside of your anus with a rubber glove because you didn't take off your shoes quickly enough for her, that is freedom my friends, you naughty people you!

Wow, our experiences have been dramatically different at the airport.

The officer that inspected you was a woman?  And wore gloves?  And you didn't have to pay for it?

Oh wait a minute, that wasn't at the airport...  Uhh, never.. never mind.


Now I want to open up a strip club called "The Airport". Bonus points if it's next to a bar called "The Office"...
 
2013-11-01 01:32:26 PM
Looks like these whistle-blowers had the good sense to remain anonymous. But I'm confident we'll find them and bring them to justice.
 
2013-11-01 01:35:56 PM
True story - my wife and I were looking for a vacation destination.  She was all, 'Paris' and I was all, 'let's find something more unique, more interesting'.

I found a website talking about North Korea tourism.  I was all, 'Hey, let's do this!'  Mostly joking.  But I spread the idea around and everyone was all, 'OMG - you can't go to North Korea because ___________' but in every case ________ was also true in the United States.

Kinda screwed up, IMHO.
 
2013-11-01 01:36:10 PM
 That's another thing they don't like at the airport: jokes. You know?
[applause]
George Carlin: Yeah, you can't joke about a bomb! Well why is it just jokes? What about a riddle?
[laughter]
George Carlin: How about a limerick?
[laughter]
George Carlin: How about a bomb anecdote? You know, no punchline, just a really cute story. Or suppose you intended to remark, not as a joke, but as an ironic musing. Are they prepared to make that distinction? Why, I think NOT.

/damnit i miss him so much.
 
2013-11-01 01:41:15 PM

from my blood: Besides, those towers were full of asbestos and needed to be torn down.


Yeah, but know we have those whiny, needy takers (i.e. the first responders) asking for OUR MONEY to treat their little scratches!

Does no one love America anymore?!?!?
 
2013-11-01 01:42:12 PM

Rapmaster2000: rogue_L_chick: Rapmaster2000: Sorry, libs, but we need a Department of Homeland Security to keep The Homeland safe from terrorism.  To think otherwise is just engLinkaging in pre-9/11 thinking.  Don't you remember the day those towers fell?  I bet you wanted to protect Saddam Hussein too.

[t1.gstatic.com image 227x222]

Are you my uncle? If so...thanks for the preview of this year's Thanksgiving. I'll make sure I "forget" to bring ice again so I have an excuse to go "fetch some" and your kids and I will go smoke a joint while you piss everyone off.

/seriously, we have a bet going that we are going to show up one year and the ol'

Once I was dating this woman and I went to her house for Thanksgiving.  Her brother and I got high before dinner which was great because her conservative uncle showed up and spouted some choice one-liners.  My favorite one was something about "you know how the blacks are.. always drinking their Budweiser.  You know they always drink that."

First of all, I could stereotype about twenty "black" drinks better than Budweiser.  He is technically right because I assume they do drink a lot of Bud considering it's the number 1 beer in the world, but I also assume a lot of the _____ drink Budweiser.  I was trying so hard not to bust up laughing.  Since when did racists get so lazy?





Awesome! Hahaha...since at least 1983, I can attest to that. I've heard it goes way back, but that's how long I've been hearing it. That sounds waaaaay too familiar, and I have a brother that loves to get my dates ripped. Was the brother gay and the house in Oklahoma? :D

Oh man, once we got him going on rap music, trying to get him to explain exactly what was so farkin' 'ignint' about it. He's never listend to a rap song in his life. He maybe hears a snatch of it when he changes the radio stations at the most, and that's if he drives 4 hours away. He managed to swim along for a bit, but after trying to goad him into admitting he'd never even heard it (but he didn't hafta, by gawd!), he ended up getting pissed and smashing a hunk of bread in his fist until it squeezed through his knuckles. He stood up and took a fork with a huge chunk of turkey out to the porch to gnaw on it alone and pout. Too bad, it only lasted about ten minutes before he realized he had to come in to get more beer. Oh, that was fuuuuuuuuny.

/Weird, double post...wtd to clarify I do not smoke with "kids", but his kids are older than I am.
 
2013-11-01 01:50:41 PM

Rapmaster2000: First of all, I could stereotype about twenty "black" drinks better than Budweiser.  He is technically right because I assume they do drink a lot of Bud considering it's the number 1 beer in the world, but I also assume a lot of the _____ drink Budweiser.  I was trying so hard not to bust up laughing.  Since when did racists get so lazy?


They prefer to be called "energy efficient."
 
2013-11-01 01:54:16 PM

vudukungfu: FARK THAT WHOLE SYSTEM of UNAMERICAN ASSHOLES.

Really.

It's post 9/11 bandwagon patriot bloat Swift Boat

 
2013-11-01 02:04:34 PM

paygun: 9 million dollars?  What is that, like 5 lines of code from healthcare.gov?  Big deal.


I was actually thinking of applying for a job in or around there after they announced how much it made their website. Man I'd be cakin'.

As I roll up next to Donald Trump "So what did you do to pass the billion dollar mark"? Me: "Oh I just wrote 700 lines of code" over a day.
 
2013-11-01 02:21:14 PM
Soooo.... Anyone want to propose any insightful, plausible solutions instead of playing the blame game or posting witty, or sarcastic comments? Anyone? No? Okay.....


Obama

There I said it.
 
2013-11-01 02:24:37 PM
Looks like a clusterfark of inept, incompetent, stupid and corrupt leadership at the sub-agency level.

Once you let it institutionalize to the point that it's actually being touted as a perk of the job, you've lost the game.

In most agencies, even much smaller ones, they have better control on overtime than this.  This is willful ignorance.  They were allowing employees to self-select overtime in their timesheets without prior manager approval.....and then the managers didn't go back and fix what was happening.  If someone consistently enters 9-10 hour days then that's worthy of discipline right there - they're telling you they can't do the job in the 8 hours it's supposed to take them.  If they can't fix that they should be fired.
 
2013-11-01 02:48:33 PM
Rapmaster2000:
Once I was dating this woman and I went to her house for Thanksgiving.  Her brother and I got high before dinner which was great because her conservative uncle showed up and spouted some choice one-liners.  My favorite one was something about "you know how the blacks are.. always drinking their Budweiser.  You know they always drink that."

First of all, I could stereotype about twenty "black" drinks better than Budweiser.  He is technically right because I assume they do drink a lot of Bud considering it's the number 1 beer in the world, but I also assume a lot of the _____ drink Budweiser.  I was trying so hard not to bust up laughing.  Since when did racists get so lazy?


Don't forget that racists are also stupid. The two often mix to produce a potent idiot cocktail, much like booze and pills can be combined to produce an overdose.
 
2013-11-01 04:01:11 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Employees have apparently been claiming AUO for years, to the tune of $8.7 million annually

I can't seem to get too worked up about this. There are so many cases of wasteful spending that 8.7 million doesn't really set off any alarms.


The DHS budget is about $60 billion, so a few million across the organization really is noise.  It would work out to about $36 per employee.

However, according to the OSC letter, that's the total from six whistleblower cases.  This is likely the tip of the iceberg.  Two extra hours a day from a reasonable portion of a quarter million well-paid employees adds up quickly.

There's also the question of how DHS is possible as big as it is.  Homeland Security Investigations is approaching the size of the FBI and nobody knows what the heck it is they do.

At least, if anyone gets called out over this, they probably won't get to pad their overtime while they're being punished with paid leave.
 
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