hardinparamedic: There's a lack of science education on basic biology and anatomy/physiology
Bondith: Some of us are trying to fix that one step at a time:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-S2fZ8S0f0
J. Frank Parnell: Wow. Estrogen is regarded as much of a carcinogen as dioxins or something? That seems, unlikely.
J. Frank Parnell: None actually create irregular cells themselves.
J. Frank Parnell: Bondith: Some of us are trying to fix that one step at a time:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-S2fZ8S0f0Appreciate the work, but the role virus' play in cancer is to disable one of many defenses that look for irregular cells, which may cause more irregular cells to go unnoticed. None actually create irregular cells themselves.It's an extremely common mistake with certain vaccines making certain claims.
hardinparamedic: Cancers of the breast, uterus, vagina, cervix, penis, and testes are often stimulated in the same way the growth of normal tissue is stimulated by endogenous and exogenous sex hormones. It's the reason that reproductive cancer history is listed as a contraindication for testosterone therapy and birth control/hormone replacement.Giving an Estrogen Receptor Positive cancer cell an increase in estrogen makes it divide at an insanely increased rate.
hardinparamedic: HPV causes cancerous cell growth by not only turning off the mechanisms for apoptosis and identification as a "faulty" cell to the immune system, but by actually hijacking the mechanism for protein production and DNA replication.
hardinparamedic: Because people want to believe in hope, and don't want to accept the fact that they are more than likely going to die from a disease in five to ten years from diagnosis in many cases, even with optimum treatment.They want to believe there's a reason for it. That someone wants to make money off them. That there is some massive conspiracy at play here to keep the "Cures" for the elites. That "THEY" don't want you to know the "truth".There's a lack of science education on basic biology and anatomy/physiology, which couples with people who are easy to fear and looking for something - anything to help then. Very few people know how the acid/base buffer system works. Very few people know how the cell machinery for self-destruction and self-identification is reworked in cancer. Very few people understand there's a difference between a blood cancer, and a solid tumor.Chemotherapy is terrifying and rough to endure. The way it works is frightening. And in some cases, we have had to watch our loved ones die despite undergoing optimum care. Because cancer is a biatch. And despite 100 years of progress, we're still losing people close to us from it.So yes. There is no cure for it. Even before the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1907, there were people using misinformation and lies to sell false hope and sham elixirs. There were still people promoting "enzymes and diets", electrical shock machines, crystals and homeopathy. There were still these weird ideas of bicarbonate-enriched, alkaline diets.And there will continue to be. Because not only in America do we do a very shiatty job of explaining things to patients and their loved ones, but we also do a shiatty job of teaching our children and teenagers the basic background information they need to be informed patients and consumers.
J. Frank Parnell: hardinparamedic: HPV causes cancerous cell growth by not only turning off the mechanisms for apoptosis and identification as a "faulty" cell to the immune system, but by actually hijacking the mechanism for protein production and DNA replication.I'll have to look into the hijacking and DNA replication. Was under the impression cancer can propagate without the help of a virus.
lennavan: it is quite fitting the very initial post in the thread be filled with misinformation.
lennavan: Highjacking the mechanism for protein production means it's hijacking the ribosome, or a related protein. While possible, the fact that I've never heard of that makes me amazingly skeptical that is a mechanism of HPV.
hardinparamedic: lennavan: Highjacking the mechanism for protein production means it's hijacking the ribosome, or a related protein. While possible, the fact that I've never heard of that makes me amazingly skeptical that is a mechanism of HPV.Molecular Mechanisms of HPV-Induced Carcinogenesis.
lennavan: You didn't actually read that, did you? You just posted a long article that had a title that you crossed your fingers and hoped would support your suggestion that HPV hijacks DNA replication machinery, didn't you? This shiat is farking ridiculous. This is exactly what the linked article is talking about, dipshiats spouting nonsense, spreading misinformation.
hardinparamedic: Please cite which part of that post was misinformation.
hardinparamedic: they are more than likely going to die from a disease in five to ten years from diagnosis in many cases, even with optimum treatment.
hardinparamedic: So yes. There is no cure for it.
hardinparamedic: Chemotherapy is terrifying and rough to endure. The way it works is frightening.
hardinparamedic: I'm still waiting for you to point out what was misinformation in my initial post.
hardinparamedic: Actually, I was trying to not be technical and simplistic. If I was wrong, correcting me with a citation WOULD have sufficed instead of acting like an ass. No one was being a "dipshiat spouting" until you decided to post in the thread.
lennavan: You will have to cherry pick very specific cancers to find something with a lower than 50% survival rate. I'll get you started - lung cancer (but not if it is detected early) is one.
lennavan: Yes there are cures.
lennavan: One way your body fights off bacteria on its very own is with antibodies. One molecular mechanism that causes breast cancer is HER2 gene duplications that results in too much HER2. One chemotherapeutic drug is just a farking antibody against HER2. TRULY TERRIFYING AND VERY SCARY.
lennavan: I cannot prove that HPV does not do something. It is exceedingly difficult to prove a negative. If you had any science education you would not have asked for that study. I said I was unaware of any evidence whatsoever but since you posted it and said it did, I asked for a citation. This is where you admit you were wrong, so as to not misinform people.I don't understand how being non-technical forces you to lie?
hardinparamedic: I wasn't asking you to "prove a negative". I asked for you to correct what I said by showing me a citation about that.
hardinparamedic: . I was talking about the human side. I was talking about the side that people see as a layperson which scares them shiatless. This:
hardinparamedic: So YES. Yes it is VERY terrifying to think of things like this when they see articles on the internet and in less scrupulous clinics about cancer.
hardinparamedic: I was talking about a cure for fear and misinformation
lennavan: You are asking me to prove HPV does not work in a specific manner. That is proving a negative. You will not find that citation.Here is what you will find: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=HPV 24,410 articles and not one single one will mention HPV causes cancer by hijacking DNA replication. If you like, you can even find a review that summarizes the major findings of the 24,410 so you don't have to read them all. You know, like the citation you provided that similarly lacked that evidence.
lennavan: Not all chemotherapeutics cause hair loss. That is a common misconception, continued on by jackasses like you.
lennavan: Yes, it's called "you stop posting."
hardinparamedic: I WAS WRONG ON THAT ASPECT.Yes, you sure were. Ironic, given we're in a thread on spreading misinformation.hardinparamedic: I was pointing out it IS a common misconception. I was not continuing it. I was pointing out the popular perception of chemotherapy.
hardinparamedic: lennavan: it is quite fitting the very initial post in the thread be filled with misinformation.Please cite which part of that post was misinformation.
Fano: The part where junk medical knowledge is specifically an American phenomenon.
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