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2013-10-31 10:29:54 PM

Marcus Aurelius: [dad.incomingwormhole.com image 696x510]


My favorite P-51 pilot, Col. Bruce Carr, I was lucky enough to meet him and hear him tell his story in person before he passed away. Was still flying 51s into his 80s.

Only man to ever take off on a mission in a P-51 and land in a stolen FW-190.

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2013-10-31 10:34:27 PM

vossiewulf: John Buck 41: What a beautiful plane. I've read they were a biatch to fly, though.

No fighter aircraft that's designed to be the smallest and lightest structure possible behind a 1500hp engine is going to be easy to fly, but actually the 51s were comparatively docile except when the fuel tank they added behind the pilot for Berlin range was full. With that full the CG was a lot farther aft than you'd prefer, as they say CG too far forward the plane doesn't fly well, too far aft and it may never fly again- makes the plane really unstable in the pitch axis. It also had some nasty departure characteristics, but again all WW2 fighters did... get them too slow, hanging on prop at high throttle and they're going to depart into some kind of snap roll into a spin ugliness.


Thanks for the info/feedback.
 
2013-10-31 10:35:34 PM
At the end of WWII, the United States was no longer painting their P-51 Mustangs.  Instead they were polished to a highly reflective shine, that would reflect light from any angle.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Then duck.
 
2013-10-31 10:38:01 PM

vossiewulf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: /all you dodgy Spitfire and Hurricaners, come at me bro.

All you need:

Spitfire Mk.IX and P-51D with basically the exact same engine, one a Rolls built Merlin 63, other a Packard built V1650...

Spit:
Power loading: ~4.7lbs/hp
Range: to the corner druggist
Top speed: 403mph

P-51D:
Power loading: ~7lbs/hp
Range: Berlin and back with a stop in Paris
Top speed: 437mph

Sorry Spit boys, only thing yours could do better was turning circles.


And Climbing, kind of important when you are a short range interceptor rather than a escort.
Speaking of which where would the Mustangs fly from if the Spits hadn't won the Battle of Britain? :)
 
2013-10-31 10:39:53 PM

vossiewulf: Marcus Aurelius: [dad.incomingwormhole.com image 696x510]

My favorite P-51 pilot, Col. Bruce Carr, I was lucky enough to meet him and hear him tell his story in person before he passed away. Was still flying 51s into his 80s.

Only man to ever take off on a mission in a P-51 and land in a stolen FW-190.

[www.aviationartstore.com image 850x574]


I'd never heard that story.  Thanks.

My father was a navigator in B-17s out of Italy, and he never talked about the war, but whenever we got close to a P-51 he went all teary eyed.
 
2013-10-31 11:03:18 PM

Lava Lamp Repairman: Goddamn that was nice - thanks, subbie. The P-51 was an amazing aircraft for it's time, and I've been lucky enough to see one flyby in person more than once.

But I'll take a P-38 Lightning any day. Imagine two (almost as awesome) engines screaming by at an equivalent speed. I've only seen one flyby of a P-38 and it was indescribable. It had to be the most bad-ass aircraft of WWII.


This may be of interest to you (but I certainly can't fault the P-38 in any way.)

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2013-10-31 11:10:57 PM
This won WWII more than anything else.

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2013-10-31 11:36:44 PM

relaxitsjustme: cameroncrazy1984: cgraves67: timujin: Hard to hear it over the sound from the propeller.  I'd love to hear it out of the plane, though.  I wonder if anyone ever stuck one of those in a ground vehicle...

It's been shoe-horned into hot rods before, I believe.

Here's one of them

My understanding is the Unlimited Hydroplanes used to use old airplane engines back when they were called Thunderboats.  Then they all switched to turbine engines and the nickname Whinyboats didn't catch on.


Nitrous too, for the straightaways. When they goosed the pedal to pull away from the dock, the gravel on the concrete plaza would hover about 6" off the concrete. It was like 500rpm CPR on your chest, you could feel the sound like a Shuttle launch.

/gave pit tours in '79-80 on Thunder on the Ohio, Evansville IN unlimited hydro races
 
2013-10-31 11:38:17 PM

Jammybee: Speaking of which where would the Mustangs fly from if the Spits hadn't won the Battle of Britain?


The Spit was a great plane. The 51 is just a weird anomaly that's even better. When the British engineer who first did the projections on performance of a P-51 re-engined with a Merlin 60 series produced his results, he was laughed at- 1500 mile range?? 440mph at 35k feet? 60 mph faster than a Spit V? It almost didn't happen because the projections were so absurd, and people as USAF Material Command which controlled procurement really hated the 51 since it wasn't an "American" plane, it was designed at the behest of the British Purchasing Commission. As I said, even to this day there is no fully compelling and complete explanation for why the 51's drag numbers are so insanely low.
 
2013-11-01 02:05:03 AM

timujin: Hard to hear it over the sound from the propeller.  I'd love to hear it out of the plane, though.  I wonder if anyone ever stuck one of those in a ground vehicle...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4XTZcfEKr4  will answer that. The Meteor was the tank version of the merlin, sans supercharger.
 
2013-11-01 02:20:15 AM

nonstopcrunchy: timujin: Hard to hear it over the sound from the propeller.  I'd love to hear it out of the plane, though.  I wonder if anyone ever stuck one of those in a ground vehicle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4XTZcfEKr4  will answer that. The Meteor was the tank version of the merlin, sans supercharger.


Here's a Merlin on a boat so you can have the supercharger noise as well. It sounds wonderful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=d0-AHHoluog #t =293
 
2013-11-01 03:08:53 AM
I don't know about Europe in WWII but the B-29 won the war in the Pacific theatre.
 
2013-11-01 03:11:57 AM
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P-39 was the best figher at the out break of war for the US but since the USAAC decided that no fighter but the P-38 should have a turbocharger ment that the P-39 was next useless over 15,000 feet. The P-39 had bad rap and only did well in the Pacific for the US while the Soviets loved them. 5 out of the 10 highest scoring Soviets aces got most of their kills in P-39s.
 
2013-11-01 04:25:40 AM

Allen262: the Soviets loved them


Yeah they handled well, had a big-ass gun, all of them had radios, and the air war in the east was all tactical and low altitude.

But the Yak-3 was the best thing the Russians flew. The French Normandie squadron were allowed to take them home after the war and as I recall they weren't retired from French service until the early '50s. Totally kick-butt low altitude kurvenkampfers.

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2013-11-01 06:20:53 AM

Lsherm: It may not sound the sexiest, but the P-38 was one of the prettiest planes out of WWII:


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I gotta go with this, don't forget the Hyde to this Jekyll

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Both were beautiful aircraft.

But for sound I gotta go with the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBMsdXGOm5A   R4360
If you've got a good sub you'll understand.  You can FEEL that it is just sitting there doing nothing.
 
2013-11-01 06:27:50 AM

change1211: I always thought it was the F4U, it was so ugly it just scared the enemy away.


To be fair, the F4U and P51 were in entirely different theaters of operation. The P51 was in Europe with the Army Air Corps and the F4U was in the Pacific with the Navy.
 
2013-11-01 08:01:17 AM
Interesting - video says Rolls Royce Merlin, subby says Packard Merlin - I'm pretty sure subby got it right.
 
2013-11-01 09:42:11 AM

prjindigo: Lsherm: It may not sound the sexiest, but the P-38 was one of the prettiest planes out of WWII:

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I gotta go with this, don't forget the Hyde to this Jekyll

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Both were beautiful aircraft.

But for sound I gotta go with the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBMsdXGOm5A   R4360
If you've got a good sub you'll understand.  You can FEEL that it is just sitting there doing nothing.


Ah.... P-61 black widow, I still have a model of that one.
 
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2013-11-01 11:35:44 AM
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
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2013-11-01 11:55:52 AM

Lsherm: It may not sound the sexiest, but the P-38 was one of the prettiest planes out of WWII:

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Agreed. I have a small die-cast model of one on my computer desk.
 
2013-11-01 12:00:07 PM
The P-51 was one of the last things a Jap or Nazi pilot saw before the dirt......
 
2013-11-01 12:00:27 PM

vossiewulf: Lt. Cheese Weasel: /all you dodgy Spitfire and Hurricaners, come at me bro.

All you need:

Spitfire Mk.IX and P-51D with basically the exact same engine, one a Rolls built Merlin 63, other a Packard built V1650...

Spit:
Power loading: ~4.7lbs/hp
Range: to the corner druggist
Top speed: 403mph

P-51D:
Power loading: ~7lbs/hp
Range: Berlin and back with a stop in Paris
Top speed: 437mph

Sorry Spit boys, only thing yours could do better was turning circles.


US tactics, and design followed this, was BnZ. Boom and Zoom.

Heavy, (relative to much of their competition) heavily armored planes, with lots of ammo, big self-sealing gas tanks, and a completely well documented ability to go fast while level and dive faster.

The F4U Corsair was the Zero's antithesis. The Zero was light, maneuverable, no self-sealing tanks, and a tad underpowered. Sonifabiatch could turn a trick tighter than an experienced hooker.

Of course when you have 6 .50 cal machine guns lighting up your petrol tanks, and they start leaking, and your best pilots burn to death, your training is going to suffer.
 
2013-11-01 12:13:43 PM

RocketRod: P-51... Cadillac of the Sky!


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Christian Bale salutes you...

/I love that movie... so very much.
 
2013-11-01 12:57:39 PM

fatbear: Interesting - video says Rolls Royce Merlin, subby says Packard Merlin - I'm pretty sure subby got it right.


Rolls Royce designed the Merlin as the successor to the Kestrel, and the successor to the Merlin was the Rolls Royce Griffon... see the pattern? It goes all the way back to the Falcon engine built for the Bristol F.2B in WWI.

Rolls Royce couldn't make Merlins fast enough in WW2, so they were license-produced by Packard in the US. Packard made a few improvements of their own such that Rolls Royce built engines and Packard engines are not identical.
 
2013-11-01 01:12:41 PM

change1211: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The P-51 Mustang won the war. Let's argue about that.  Because it did.

/all you dodgy Spitfire and Hurricaners, come at me bro.

I always thought it was the F4U, it was so ugly it just scared the enemy away.


Thats my favorite plane you're badmouthing there buddy LOL. p51 is a close second

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2013-11-01 04:02:37 PM

BEER_ME_in_CT: Thats my favorite plane you're badmouthing there buddy LOL. p51 is a close second


the Corsair is a great, great plane.

I have always been partial to the planes that look like someone nailed wings, a rudder and a chair to a monster engine (like the Hellcat).
 
2013-11-01 06:17:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: At the end of WWII, the United States was no longer painting their P-51 Mustangs.  Instead they were polished to a highly reflective shine, that would reflect light from any angle.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Then duck.


Towards the end of the war, a german soldier's observation was "the american planes are silver, the british planes are green, and our planes are invisible"
 
2013-11-01 08:25:33 PM

vossiewulf: Allen262: the Soviets loved them

Yeah they handled well, had a big-ass gun, all of them had radios, and the air war in the east was all tactical and low altitude.

But the Yak-3 was the best thing the Russians flew. The French Normandie squadron were allowed to take them home after the war and as I recall they weren't retired from French service until the early '50s. Totally kick-butt low altitude kurvenkampfers.

[www.flugzeuginfo.net image 850x564]


The P-39 was 3 year older aircraf in design than the Yak-3 and the Yak-3 benefited from what was learned from 1941 to 1944 when it entered service mid 1944. The P-39 on the other hand had little change during it run from 1941 to 1944. Engine from 1,125HP to at most a 1,325HP and wing guns from 4 .30 cals to 2 .50 cals but the Soviets removed the wing guns from the P-39 reguadless of model.
 
2013-11-01 09:47:15 PM
I like the one "bullet hole" among all the swastikas.

..got him, got him, got him, D'oh!, got him, go him....
 
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