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(Click On Detroit)   And in a late entry for Mom of the Year, we have this lady who offered her 4-year-old daughter to a chubby creeper to "shower with"   (clickondetroit.com) divider line 89
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2013-10-31 04:05:42 PM
Dude was on a federal tether for similar incidents in other states. Well, the system worked.

/chemically castrate that weirdo and give that broad a coont punch
 
2013-10-31 04:05:48 PM
Ew.

Ew.

Ew.
 
2013-10-31 04:05:51 PM
Federal tether? WTF?
 
2013-10-31 04:06:42 PM
Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.
 
2013-10-31 04:07:53 PM
img.fark.net

Sure, he's a little chubby, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a creeper.
 
2013-10-31 04:09:45 PM
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-10-31 04:09:46 PM
What is it modmins....sex Thursday? Seems like every other article is about sex, in a bad way.

Or is this Drew's ten year old at work...seems like it.
 
2013-10-31 04:09:47 PM

oh_please: Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.


You've never heard of conspiracy? Yup, it's a crime. And there are various levels of it. Communicating across state lines with intent to commit a felony, separate crime.

They usually throw everything and the kitchen sink to push people to take plea deals. In cases like this, it's generally to put them away as long as possible.

/afaik ianal etc
 
2013-10-31 04:10:40 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Dude was on a federal tether for similar incidents in other states. Well, the system worked.

/chemically castrate that weirdo and give that broad a coont punch


If by "chemically castrate" you mean "dip his nuts in hydrofluoric acid," we agree.
 
2013-10-31 04:10:47 PM

devilEther: [img.fark.net image 494x599]

Sure, he's a little chubby, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a creeper.


That is the exact image in my head when hearing the phrase "Chester child molester"
 
2013-10-31 04:10:52 PM

oh_please: Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.


Probably a law created to add additional prison time to the "pedophile arranging to meet with a minor using the Internet" thing
 
2013-10-31 04:11:02 PM
Can any Fark experts tell me what the heck a "Federal Tether" is?
 
2013-10-31 04:16:38 PM
Why are little girls so attracted to ugly guys?
 
2013-10-31 04:16:46 PM

Lady Indica: oh_please: Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.

You've never heard of conspiracy? Yup, it's a crime. And there are various levels of it. Communicating across state lines with intent to commit a felony, separate crime.

They usually throw everything and the kitchen sink to push people to take plea deals. In cases like this, it's generally to put them away as long as possible.

/afaik ianal etc


Well then, call it conspiracy, or communicating across state lines with intent, etc. There are plenty of laws in place here. "communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime" sounds like trumped up bullshiat.
 
2013-10-31 04:18:18 PM

oh_please: Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.


Using the mail to commit a crime has always been an extra charge.
 
2013-10-31 04:19:03 PM

Lady Indica: oh_please: Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.

You've never heard of conspiracy? Yup, it's a crime. And there are various levels of it. Communicating across state lines with intent to commit a felony, separate crime.

They usually throw everything and the kitchen sink to push people to take plea deals. In cases like this, it's generally to put them away as long as possible.

/afaik ianal etc


The part that concerns me is that by breaking charges into overlapping pieces (like accusing someone of muder, attempted murder, conspiracy to comment murder, and assault with a deadly weapon) pretty much circumvents double jeopardy.
 
2013-10-31 04:19:40 PM
brightlightsfilm.com
 
2013-10-31 04:20:29 PM

Russ1642: Why are little girls so attracted to ugly guys?


I've gotten good results with candy. Wait...what?
 
2013-10-31 04:21:35 PM
When parents make bad decisions for themselves, that's one thing. When parents make bad decisions that will permanently haunt and scar and pain and mutilate and possibly kill a child, they deserve every bad thing in the world.
 
2013-10-31 04:21:39 PM
sick


anyway.

this bit caught my eye

"They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime. "
somehow its a crime to TALK about CRIME which in itself is another crime?
how about another charge of Thinking about Communicating about Committing Crime?
Turning on the computer to Communicate about Committing a Crime.

what kind of asshattery is this?
 
2013-10-31 04:22:30 PM

Bondith: Ew.

Ew.

Ew.


I see I'm not needed here. Carry on.
 
2013-10-31 04:25:29 PM
And now I need a shower after reading that.
 
2013-10-31 04:26:07 PM

oh_please: Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.


I don't care. Let them throw in everything but the kitchen sink for these evil ass people.
 
2013-10-31 04:30:45 PM

Hermione_Granger: oh_please: Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.

I don't care. Let them throw in everything but the kitchen sink for these evil ass people.


Sure, right now.
 
2013-10-31 04:32:29 PM

deforge: somehow its a crime to TALK about CRIME which in itself is another crime?
how about another charge of Thinking about Communicating about Committing Crime?
Turning on the computer to Communicate about Committing a Crime.

what kind of asshattery is this?


Talking about crime is not a crime. Outlining plans to commit a crime with another person is a crime, but I don't understand the need for a special "computer" angle. Couldn't you just call it conspiracy?
 
2013-10-31 04:34:14 PM

Millennium: deforge: somehow its a crime to TALK about CRIME which in itself is another crime?
how about another charge of Thinking about Communicating about Committing Crime?
Turning on the computer to Communicate about Committing a Crime.

what kind of asshattery is this?

Talking about crime is not a crime. Outlining plans to commit a crime with another person is a crime, but I don't understand the need for a special "computer" angle. Couldn't you just call it conspiracy?


I guess it's maybe like "using a computer to break the law". Like the law expects every computer user to use it legally all the time.

Which I guess we do.

/amirite?
 
2013-10-31 04:35:38 PM

Chinchillazilla: Bondith: Ew.

Ew.

Ew.

I see I'm not needed here. Carry on.


Ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew...
 
2013-10-31 04:36:35 PM

mainsail: Can any Fark experts tell me what the heck a "Federal Tether" is?



Location Monitoring/Home Confinement (Tether Program)

A Supervision Tool- Location Monitoring/Home Confinement
Home confinement is a location monitoring tool that helps U.S. Pretrial Services Officers supervise or monitor defendants in the community. In the federal courts, home confinement is not a sentence in and of itself but may be a condition of either probation, parole, supervised release, or pretrial release. A person placed under home confinement is confined to his or her residence, usually linked to an electronic monitoring or GPS system and required to maintain a strict daily activity schedule. When the person is allowed to leave home, and for what reasons, is determined case by case. Home confinement's purpose depends on the phase of the criminal justice process in which it is used. In all cases, it is a means to restrict a person's activity and to protect the public from any threat the person may pose. In pretrial cases, home confinement is an alternative to detention used to assist in ensuring community safety. Home confinement is not used as a punishment for individuals on bond. However, Courts may use home confinement as a sanction for persons who violate the conditions of their supervision.

More at:
http://www.miept.uscourts.gov/pages/monitoring.cfm
 
2013-10-31 04:37:17 PM
This is something I'll never understand. I mean banging a teenager, sure I get that they have developed secondary sexual characteristics, but a 4 year old? Who looks at a 4 year old as sexy?
 
2013-10-31 04:41:55 PM
This is what we need real-life Dexters for.
Doubt they would even get convicted if caught.
 
2013-10-31 04:46:28 PM
I would kill to protect my daughter. It always makes me sad to see instances where people don't even come close to that sentiment regarding their kids.
 
2013-10-31 04:48:54 PM

devilEther: [img.fark.net image 494x599]

Sure, he's a little chubby, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a creeper.


People still wear tighty whities?
 
2013-10-31 04:50:48 PM

MycroftHolmes: Lady Indica: oh_please: Absolutely disgusting, but this caught my eye:

They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime.

How is this a separate charge? If they had talked over the phone, would that be a separate charge as well? I've never heard someone getting charged with "talking over the phone to commit a crime", but somehow if a computer is involved that makes it way more evil, because of stuff we don't understand yet? UGH.

You've never heard of conspiracy? Yup, it's a crime. And there are various levels of it. Communicating across state lines with intent to commit a felony, separate crime.

They usually throw everything and the kitchen sink to push people to take plea deals. In cases like this, it's generally to put them away as long as possible.

/afaik ianal etc

The part that concerns me is that by breaking charges into overlapping pieces (like accusing someone of muder, attempted murder, conspiracy to comment murder, and assault with a deadly weapon) pretty much circumvents double jeopardy.


Except it doesn't.

With murder and attempted murder, you generally can't get convicted with both, unless there was a victim you failed to kill or you made a separate attempt.

Conspiracy to commit murder is a separate act from murder and can be prosecuted even if there is not attempt. You can be convicted for conspiracy by agreeing to commit a crime and taking an act in furtherance of the crime.

Again, assault with a deadly weapon is another separate crime, but if I recall correctly, that would merge just like attempted murder.

The only reason they duplicate the charges is because they all require different elements to convict. If you charge someone with first degree murder only, you have to prove they intended to kill the victim and they actually , with malice aforethought, kiled them. To prove assault with a deadly weapon, you only have to prove the elements of assault plus the requirements to make the the instrument a deadly weapon, which would not even include proving that the victim died or the criminal's act caused their death. The state usually brings these charges when they are unsure on some evidence, to increase the chances of conviction. In other words, "they are guilty of something, we aren't sure what we can prove at this time."

That said, a lot of the duplicate charges are dismissed before trial, if it even goes to trial, because the prosecution usually knows what they want to try to convict on by that time. Before then, however, the evidence and investigation are not typically finished. In Cook cty, I think it takes 2 years from arrest to trial. Plenty of time to change your mind or find new evidence that might change the story.
 
2013-10-31 04:52:30 PM
Sorry, but there's no way she's going to unseat the mom who encouraged her sex-offender boyfriend to rape and strangle her 4 month old daughter:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/jessica-lynn-howell-murder- bo yfriend-rape-daughter_n_3461125.html
 
2013-10-31 04:55:28 PM
I find it kind of odd that they were charged with CSAM but the only picture the other article I saw on this mentions says the child was fully clothed.  That's somewhat disturbing that possessing fully clothed images of children can be considered CSAM based solely on the subjective intentions of the person possessing them.  Hello thought police.  Don't get me wrong.  This guy is sick and so is the woman involved, but saying that someone who has fully clothed pictures of children is committing possession of CSAM is very troubling because it opens a Pandora's Box that can be used against anyone the government doesn't like.
 
2013-10-31 04:55:48 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Dude was on a federal tether for similar incidents in other states. Well, the system worked.

/chemically castrate that weirdo and give that broad a coont punch



If the story is accurate, we have a guy who has tried to spend some naked time with young children more than once. The article says 'shower with' the child - I don't think anybody believes that would have been the extent of it, but let's just go with what the article said. And there have been previous 'similar incidents'

We also have a mother who is willing to rent out her four year old.

Those who prey on children are subhuman garbage. I don't know or care if they can be rehabilitated. At no point do I think they should be back in society with the opportunity to do it again. If convicted, it should be life in prison or death. Barring that, can we set up a 'pedo island'? Drop them off and they are on their own. If they leave the island they die.
 
2013-10-31 04:58:02 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Sorry, but there's no way she's going to unseat the mom who encouraged her sex-offender boyfriend to rape and strangle her 4 month old daughter:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/jessica-lynn-howell-murder- bo yfriend-rape-daughter_n_3461125.html


I don't know, that lady in france who kept the kid in her trunk for two years is up on that list too. I think this is year of the sick fark mother.
 
2013-10-31 05:00:14 PM

Russ1642: Why are little girls so attracted to ugly guys?


Pedos can be utterly charming...it's part of their stock-in-trade. They can come across as the the ultimate Nice Guy...then out comes Mr. Floppy who needs just a little love and attention to become Mr. Happy.

This sort of thing is what leaves the kids so confused and screwed up...the pedo was nice to them.
 
2013-10-31 05:02:06 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Sorry, but there's no way she's going to unseat the mom who encouraged her sex-offender boyfriend to rape and strangle her 4 month old daughter:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/jessica-lynn-howell-murder- bo yfriend-rape-daughter_n_3461125.html


Now... if I click that link will I ever sleep again?

/Not going to risk it...
 
2013-10-31 05:02:31 PM

Evil Mackerel: devilEther: [img.fark.net image 494x599]

Sure, he's a little chubby, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a creeper.

People still wear tighty whities?


www.rodalena.com
You're goddamned right.
 
2013-10-31 05:03:56 PM
As a mother of a daughter...

I'm horrified.
 
2013-10-31 05:05:24 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Sorry, but there's no way she's going to unseat the mom who encouraged her sex-offender boyfriend to rape and strangle her 4 month old daughter:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/jessica-lynn-howell-murder- bo yfriend-rape-daughter_n_3461125.html


I was going to mention the former mayor of Waterbury, CT who, in addition to being corrupt as hell, had an arrangement with a woman to have sex with her tween daughter in his office. But faaaaaaarrrrrkk.... where do these sick effers come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano
 
2013-10-31 05:06:55 PM
"They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime."

That's an actual crime? How does that differ from any other form of communication? Can you be charged with communicating on the phone with another to commit a crime? Walkie talkies? What about sitting in a coffee shop discussing a crime over a latte?
 
2013-10-31 05:11:10 PM

BBtB: Well I use Mac/Linux...: Sorry, but there's no way she's going to unseat the mom who encouraged her sex-offender boyfriend to rape and strangle her 4 month old daughter:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/jessica-lynn-howell-murder- bo yfriend-rape-daughter_n_3461125.html

Now... if I click that link will I ever sleep again?

/Not going to risk it...

I just clicked and read it...Jesus Christ that's sick.
 
2013-10-31 05:11:34 PM

ReapTheChaos: "They are both facing charges of child sexually abusive material and communicating on a computer with another to commit a crime."

That's an actual crime? How does that differ from any other form of communication? Can you be charged with communicating on the phone with another to commit a crime? Walkie talkies? What about sitting in a coffee shop discussing a crime over a latte?


Are you ready to go rob the bank at Fifth and Main?  Wait, BRB, someone's at the door.
 
2013-10-31 05:16:04 PM
What is  "child sexually abusive material"?

If it was child porn, they would charge them with possession and transmission of child porn.  But, they don't.
 
2013-10-31 05:16:41 PM

SauceIT: Well I use Mac/Linux...: Sorry, but there's no way she's going to unseat the mom who encouraged her sex-offender boyfriend to rape and strangle her 4 month old daughter:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/jessica-lynn-howell-murder- bo yfriend-rape-daughter_n_3461125.html

I was going to mention the former mayor of Waterbury, CT who, in addition to being corrupt as hell, had an arrangement with a woman to have sex with her tween daughter in his office. But faaaaaaarrrrrkk.... where do these sick effers come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano


"pictures of Giordano with a prostitute, as well as with her 10-year-old niece and her eight-year-old daughter."
 
2013-10-31 05:16:49 PM

Slaves2Darkness: This is something I'll never understand. I mean banging a teenager, sure I get that they have developed secondary sexual characteristics, but a 4 year old? Who looks at a 4 year old as sexy?


Somebody who wants to make his cock not look tiny?
 
2013-10-31 05:17:25 PM

ReapTheChaos: What about sitting in a coffee shop discussing a crime over a latte?


Yes. And if you were on the phone and using Skype and a walkie-talkie at the same time to talk to 4 different people they'd charge you with a separate crime for each communication method. It's ridiculous and used primarily as a "tough on crime" tool to pass new laws against things that are already illegal and increase effective sentence lengths without changing the underlying laws. It's also used in plea bargain negotiations, so the prosecutor can offer to drop 40 of the 42 possible charges against you for the 1 criminal act you committed.

I have trouble imagining how charging people with more than 1 crime for the same act ever serves justice, but "serving justice" is not really one of the goals of our legal system.
 
2013-10-31 05:23:32 PM

Mister Pleco: What is  "child sexually abusive material"?

If it was child porn, they would charge them with possession and transmission of child porn.  But, they don't.


That's just what they call kiddie pr0n in Michigan.  See http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28sg2h0l45akjfhrvxjquxiv45%29%29/m i leg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-145c
 
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