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(Guardian)   "You got global warming in my chocolate." "You got ecoguilt in my peanut butter"   (theguardian.com) divider line 23
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2013-10-31 12:50:29 PM
Are your Halloween treats fuelling rainforest destruction?

Don't care.  Halloween treats.
 
2013-10-31 12:54:09 PM
Has anyone else noticed the way that the mass media has pretty much stopped harping on about global warming?
 
2013-10-31 12:55:25 PM
I live in the Florida panhandle.  The largest landowner is the St. Joe paper company.  You can tell their land, because it is vast, seemingly endless forest of perfectly rowed trees.  Or at least it was.  Due to competition from recycled paper, the company has been forced to sell off countless acreage of wooded land to developers.  The deer and other wildlife didn't care that St. Joe was always cutting down rows of trees every year then replanting them.  However, now that Wal Mart is paving over their habitat, they have been moving into neighborhoods.
 
2013-10-31 12:55:50 PM
The campaign group Rainforest Action Network (RAN) has warned that the tonnes of goodies given out on 31 October could be inadvertently fuelling the destruction of rainforests in south east Asia and devastating the habitat of endangered orangutans.

Fark those orangutans. They wouldn't be endangered if they'd stop living in that rainforest.
 
2013-10-31 12:59:11 PM
I used to care about these things, but at this point I'm sick of hearing about this stuff. I've reached environmental overload. Everything we do is evil and bad, I get it. STFU already and let people live without feeling guilty about every aspect of their lives. It's worse than religious guilt.
 
2013-10-31 12:59:12 PM
Has anyone else noticed the way that the mass media has pretty much stopped harping on about global warming?


meh. Nuclear power was once just as hot of an issue. shiat gets old, you gotta move on. Right now focus on culturally insensitive Halloween costumes, candy for obese children and changing the Washington Redskins name
 
2013-10-31 01:02:23 PM
Is Global Warming still a thing?  I thought we reached the point of no return a few years back?
 
2013-10-31 01:03:10 PM

doubled99: Has anyone else noticed the way that the mass media has pretty much stopped harping on about global warming?


meh. Nuclear power was once just as hot of an issue. shiat gets old, you gotta move on. Right now focus on culturally insensitive Halloween costumes, candy for obese children and changing the Washington Redskins name


Or focus on all 3 at once by envisioning a fat kid in a WA Redskins Halloween costume.
 
2013-10-31 01:07:47 PM

VeggieDelight: I used to care about these things, but at this point I'm sick of hearing about this stuff. I've reached environmental overload. Everything we do is evil and bad, I get it. STFU already and let people live without feeling guilty about every aspect of their lives. It's worse than religious guilt.


*slowclapping.gif*
 
2013-10-31 01:07:57 PM
Nice. I'm glad I bought FAR more treats than we'll actually need this year.
 
2013-10-31 01:09:54 PM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I live in the Florida panhandle.  The largest landowner is the St. Joe paper company.  You can tell their land, because it is vast, seemingly endless forest of perfectly rowed trees.  Or at least it was.  Due to competition from recycled paper, the company has been forced to sell off countless acreage of wooded land to developers.  The deer and other wildlife didn't care that St. Joe was always cutting down rows of trees every year then replanting them.  However, now that Wal Mart is paving over their habitat, they have been moving into neighborhoods.


Won't someone think of the hooved rats.
 
2013-10-31 01:10:54 PM
It's God's fault for making rain forest destruction so tasty.
 
2013-10-31 01:15:38 PM
Man is part of nature.  If the oil palms can't defend themselves in their ecosystem then nature is selecting them for extinction.  Circle of life and all that.

Bring on the Halloween goodies!
 
2013-10-31 01:33:38 PM
While I am mostly vegetarian, and a strong advocate of environmental protection - Unfortunately I am also extremely suspicious of these self-appointed private "certification" organizations composed of unnamed people of unknown affiliation. For example, multiple independent investigative efforts concluded that the "fair-trade" certification for chocolate was a complete money-making scam for a small group of people, which did exactly nothing to help african cacao farmers. I've seen the same for other fair-trade certifications, such as coffee.

Who watches the watchers?
 
2013-10-31 01:54:42 PM
Can't guilt a sociopath.
 
2013-10-31 03:05:36 PM
And we haven't even brought up Nestle's relationship with child slavery...
 
2013-10-31 03:56:29 PM
The campaign group Rainforest Action Network (RAN) has warned that the tonnes of goodies given out on 31 October could be inadvertently fuelling the destruction of rainforests in south east Asia and devastating the habitat of endangered orangutans.

Shut up and hand over all your Reese's.
 
2013-10-31 04:00:02 PM
Palm oil is bad for you as well as for rainforests and the global climate.

And if the cocoa butter is replaced with palm oil, that crap you are eating is not really chocolate. I'm with the French on that point.

Here's how that works:

Up here we have the chocolate of the

Swiss
Belgians
French

It is from 72% to 85% cocoa, or chocolate.

Down here we have the chocolate of the

Americans
Canadians
British

iat might get as high as 72% if it is premium but it's likely it doesn't reach 50% cocoa. WARNING: MAY CONTAIN PALM OR OTHER TROPICAL OILS.

And way down here we have the chocolate of the

USSR
Red China

This is chocolate-flavoured candles. Apparently the Russians used to eat a type of candle (or perhaps just suet). I don't recall the details of this strange dietary quirk. They like their candles, though.

And somewhere beneath that is anything that says "chocolate" on the label but says "palm oil" on the list of ingredients.
 
2013-10-31 04:09:23 PM
The rain forest that palm oil is being grown on (often illegally) is less than half forest. Much of the carbon is in the peat beneath the trees. In the Carboniferous period, this peat was buried and became coal. The forest above did not often survive, but when it did, it became petrified wood. You can find the forest floor on the ceilings of many coal mines, including those in the Detroit area.

The great part of the carbon which is released by burning these tropical peat forests comes from the soil. It can be several times the amount of carbon in the wood. So we are talking fire in a coal mine type disaster. More CO2 than you would get by simply burning a regular forest.

Bad, bad, bad on all counts.

The amount of damage done by natives and other poor people clearing lots for subsistence agriculture is trivial compared to the damage done by rubber, palm oil, coffee, banana and other companies. And as I indicated above, much of this activity is totally illegal. They are stealing the forests and peat bogs from the locals. This is why so many logging, mining and other countries have people whose job is to clear the people before they clear the forest. We are talking ranchers versus Indians type of clearance.

Bad enough that this happened in the USA where you "owned" the Indians and deedless settlers as well as their land. But when it is happening because of you, in other countries, it is called colonialism, imperialism, genocide and a lot of other names whose nastiness is entirely correct and appropriate to their meanings.

It's not just bad, it's wicked. Evil.
 
2013-10-31 04:30:32 PM
By the by, chocolate is largely grown by small farmers. The plants haven't been commercialized and they pods are picked by hand. I don't think hand-picking would be a barrier to industrialization. After all, slaves hand-pick a lot of stuff, even in the developed world. Florida tomatoes for example.

Almost all of the world's chocolate comes from the Ivory Coast, a small country in Africa. The rest is grown in a few places in the New World, where chocolate originated.

The supply of chocolate has been disrupted in recent years by violence in the Ivory Coast. This makes it hard for the chocolate farmers to deliver their crop to market.

All in all, chocolate treats are OK from the point of view of the environment and slavery and so forth if you don't adulterate the chocolate with cheap industrial filler such as sugar and tropical or non-tropical oils (corn syrup is scarcely better for you or the environment than these).

Read the label and prevent a great evil. The ingredients will tell you about a lot more than nutrition and health safety. I know it's hard. It's hard for me too. Who can resist a delicious treat, even if they know there is blood on the leaves and blood at the root?

Another treat that is surprisingly good (or neutral) for the environment is Brazil nuts. They stubbornly refuse to grow anywhere except under forest canopy. Because of this, they can not be grown on open plantations.

Like bananas, they do have a lot of radiation compared to most foods because of their high content of a radioactive isotope of potassium, but they also have radium which makes them up to five times more radioactive than bananas.

Enjoy.

But don't pig out.

I guess that is pretty much true of everything we eat nowadays. Unless it is unpleasant to eat (broccoli) it is not good for us. Even the good stuff (carrots) can cause problems. Too much sugar. Too much carotene. My siblings ate so many carrots they started to turn orange. Really. It's a thing. A sort of jaundice.
 
2013-10-31 04:33:08 PM
 
2013-10-31 07:24:23 PM
LOL with the headline subby. Ecoguilt. Nicely done.
 
2013-10-31 11:11:06 PM
Global warming???? Folks are still promoting that myth?  That is sooo 2010.
 
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