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(CNN)   Hope & Change has been replaced with Fear & Intimidation. Close enough   (cnn.com) divider line 54
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2013-10-31 11:51:26 AM
6 votes:
Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.
2013-10-31 12:52:52 PM
3 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Because Obama has no staff or consultants who may be experts. He has the White House all to himself.
2013-10-31 12:40:45 PM
3 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: You still clap for Tinkerbell every time you watch Peter Pan, don't you?


Weird response.  I suppose you wouldn't just admit that you have no idea what a community organizer does.
2013-10-31 12:31:55 PM
3 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Actually that would be a good person to talk to.  Part of what community organizer's do is to help people work through the system so they can improve their situation.
2013-10-31 12:29:44 PM
3 votes:

vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.


Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.
2013-10-31 11:44:15 AM
3 votes:
Obama and the insurance industry negotiated over their resistance to Obamacare. The insurance industry agreed not to be critical in exchange for no government health plan.

Obama's just reminding them of the deal.
2013-10-31 02:52:03 PM
2 votes:
FARK is for liberals to get together and circle jerk each other. Just the same how Fox news is for the conservatives.
2013-10-31 02:32:01 PM
2 votes:
"The White House is intimidating all of the insurance providers and they're too afraid to say anything so they asked me to speak for them." said the man that nobody should believe, ever.
2013-10-31 01:53:10 PM
2 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Five years dude.  Five years as the President of the United States.  You can give up on the inexperience angle now.  You have 3 more years to go.


"Community organizer" = "black guy."

Seriously; outside of their service as politicians, what qualified Romney or McCain for governance? Military service? Time spent in private business? Why are those better than "attorney" and "community organizer?"
2013-10-31 01:51:00 PM
2 votes:
 Insurers have begun discontinuing policies that don't meet Obamacare's beefed up coverage requirements.

Notice the highlighted word there. It is very important.

Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage.

The only thing they are "embarrassed" by is that fact that they've been selling shiat plans for years that are more of a scam than any kind of insurance.

Fark these people, they've literally had YEARS to prepare, and now they're playing it like they've been caught off guard and have no choice.

Fark these people.

With burning baseball bats studded with 9" rusty spikes.

Nightly.
2013-10-31 01:50:18 PM
2 votes:

sprawl15: apoptotic: "Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage."

That entire sentence is bullshiat dipped in bullshiat batter and then smothered in bullshiat sauce.

Nice job, CNN.

no, it's accurate

insurance companies are no longer allowed to scam people and are upset about having to shut down the money fountain and cancel handjob tuesdays


"We successfully marketed a shiat product to a captive audience and used regulations set up by lobbyists to engage in anticonsumer practices. And people were so clueless they were happy with it because it was better than the alternative of dying! Now we have to meet minimum standards and actually have to compete on a freer market and it suuuuuucks."
2013-10-31 01:06:43 PM
2 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Laszewski, who's been a vocal critic of Obamacare, said he's been asked by insurance executives to speak out because they feel defenseless against an administration that is regulating their business -- and a big customer.

Gee, bias much?


This just in: insurance companies don't like the fact that they might actually have to provide healthcare with their health insurance plans.
2013-10-31 01:03:09 PM
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Right. Because discussing a plan with someone who is trying to sell you that selfsame plan will surely work out without any distortions in the discourse.
2013-10-31 12:58:55 PM
2 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: the main question is this: why a vocal critic of Obmacare, who is only a consultant, biatching and no one else prominent?

And why is this guy getting press?


CNN fails at journalism.
2013-10-31 12:41:38 PM
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.

So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.


So then Eisenhower was just a junior grade officer in the US Army then.
2013-10-31 12:37:32 PM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago


I've been on the same job almost 20 years, so yeah.

James!: Actually that would be a good person to talk to. Part of what community organizer's do is to help people work through the system so they can improve their situation.


You still clap for Tinkerbell every time you watch Peter Pan, don't you?
2013-10-31 12:31:50 PM
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago?
2013-10-31 12:15:33 PM
2 votes:
'Fear and Intimidation' - isn't that the boogeymen that the Republicans have been running with since 9/11?

ZOMG! The brown terrorists are coming! Only 'WE' can keep your kids safe....
2013-10-31 11:55:36 AM
2 votes:
Instead of intimidating the insurance industry to protect Obamacare, can we intimidate them by pushing for single-payer?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-31 11:30:49 AM
2 votes:
So, how elected is Obama going to punish them for speaking and why doesn't he do it to people like Ted Cruz?

Is this one of those FEMA re-education camp type conspiracies?


i liked this part:
"One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.
2013-10-31 11:25:09 AM
2 votes:
NSA wire tapping, fast and furious scandals, corruption in the Justice department and THIS is what CNN has a problem with?

/somebody must be paying good money for these stories
2013-10-31 08:44:54 PM
1 votes:

Why Would I Read the Article: dr_blasto: The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans.

Compromise? You mean the bill that Democrats crammed down our throats without a single republican vote? That's some fine compromisin', Lou. Man, I'd hate to see how bad things would have been if the democrats do so much compromising. The bill could have turned into a huge trainwreck!


Since it was conservatives who came up with Obamacare, and they've described it as a compromise, what 0 Republican votes means its they backed out of the compromise.
2013-10-31 04:31:48 PM
1 votes:
Until there is a non-profit Health Insurance Company, the ACA is going to do nothing more then increase profits for insurance companies while insuring that they have no competitive need to increase services.  The Democrats (Face) and Republicans (Heel) will continue their WWE style bickering while getting kickbacks from the same companies and screwing the public using shell games.
2013-10-31 03:26:19 PM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: dr_blasto: The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans. When the Democrats start in Republican territory they get this bullshiat every time. Then, you get the same results you saw in 2010.

Democrats did exactly what you wanted in 1993 when Clinton pushed for single payer.  It was a complete and utter failure that never sniffed becoming law, and the GOP cleaned their clocks in 1994 and took over the House for the first time in 40 years.

Change in this country generally always comes incrementally.  Medicare didn't just magically appear out of the air in 1965.   It was a culmination of progress of small steps that dated back to FDR and the 1930s.


That's not what Hillarycare was. It was forcing employers to pay for all employees to join free-market HMOs. It was riddled with problems, poorly sold and the task force was a sham. It was nothing like a single-payer system.

Hell, the thing was so poorly set up the task force was sued. Hillary was already a divisive person politics and, as the first real First Lady to become a "part" of government (read: formally), the right went apoplectic.

It would have, likely opened the door for single-payer to sneak through. Obamacare actually opened that door. The left, center and center-right should walk the fark through that door and cast the retard brigade aside. It is good policy, good for the citizenry, good for business (well, not the leeches in the insurance world, but as I said, fark them). Rarely does policy cross the path of actually being good for everything.
2013-10-31 02:57:53 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago?


If there's one person that I'm going to ask about politics in America on an internet forum, it's a french fry fryer.
2013-10-31 02:54:46 PM
1 votes:
Oh, who will protect the poor, helpless, powerless insurance companies?
2013-10-31 02:20:11 PM
1 votes:
You know, if Obama had been a community organizer for the past 20 years without advancing at all...I'd be more than willing to admonish him.

Of course, he's been to one of the best law schools on the planet, a state senator, a us senator, and leader of the free world for the past 5 years.

Meanwhile, some nitwit from west Texas is absolutely destroying him on the internet because Beavis totally knows more about healthcare than him. And, he HAS been at the exact same job for 20 years.
2013-10-31 02:19:10 PM
1 votes:
I particularly enjoy the subtext that the government should always be subservient to corporations. "Don't say that - you'll make the corporations feel bad!"
2013-10-31 02:19:05 PM
1 votes:

jjorsett: Would that they devoted this kind of effort to coming up with programs that weren't control-freak, nanny-state, liberty-squelching money pits..


Leave Reagan's presidency out of this.


Meanwhile, go send 3 easy installment payments of $49.95 to SarahPAC or NewtPAC or SantorumPAC to help them run for office, and help ensure that another "community organizer" without a real job never gets elected again.
2013-10-31 02:11:24 PM
1 votes:

The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

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/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?

Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.

It would have significant support from the good 'ol Chamber of Commerce and therefore their representation in Congress. Individuals support the concepts, I'm certain that it might be a good way to kick the retards out of the House.

Single-payer is better for the economy, better for business large and small, better for individuals, better for the medical community.

Insurance companies would have to move to selling supplemental or enhanced plans, but, who gives a fark about an industry that was in the business of raping the least able to protect themselves for yearsandyearsandyears.

Hell, US-based businesses could better compete on the international stage as they wouldn't have the health insurance burden dragging them down while their European competition pointed and laughed.

Pensions could be a thing again.

Dude, you don't have to convince me, I'm already there.

But have you been asleep for the last four years?  Obamacare is a tiny, around the edges bit of marketplace reforms and it's being treated like the end of the world by the right.  It is insane to pretend that something like single payer could get through our broken political system right now.


The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans. When the Democrats start in Republican territory they get this bullshiat every time. Then, you get the same results you saw in 2010.

Democrats should move back to their own territory. They can win elections without being Republicans and cede the right-wing back to the racists and nut bars.

Single payer would pass were the Democratic Party in the business of supporting it. The last 5 years aren't relevant to its success or failure. Hell, it could be the final nail on the teabagger coffin/septic tank.
2013-10-31 02:10:47 PM
1 votes:

The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

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/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?

Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.


There's also the hundreds and hundreds of millions of lobbying dollars the insurance industry would  use to kill it in it's lawmaking crib.   See the Clinton Healthcare Plan of 1993.

And that was back when there were still a lot of reasonable Republicans who were actually interested in making government work better, and when someone like Phil Gramm stood out in the party as an epic douche.   Today Phil Gramm would be run out of the GOP as a RINO.
2013-10-31 02:06:20 PM
1 votes:
This is just like the time the Obama administration threatened the life of Bob Woodward.
2013-10-31 01:59:55 PM
1 votes:

Obama's Reptiloid Master: JusticeandIndependence: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Five years dude.  Five years as the President of the United States.  You can give up on the inexperience angle now.  You have 3 more years to go.

"Community organizer" = "black guy."

Seriously; outside of their service as politicians, what qualified Romney or McCain for governance? Military service? Time spent in private business? Why are those better than "attorney" and "community organizer?"


I believe the copy of the Constitution that exists in DIA's head will give you the answer.
2013-10-31 01:54:44 PM
1 votes:
Yes. Yes it has....
2013-10-31 01:51:00 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Five years dude.  Five years as the President of the United States.  You can give up on the inexperience angle now.  You have 3 more years to go.
2013-10-31 01:48:50 PM
1 votes:

apoptotic: "Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage."

That entire sentence is bullshiat dipped in bullshiat batter and then smothered in bullshiat sauce.

Nice job, CNN.


For real. An entire industry that is based upon trying to get as much money from people as possible while providing them with as little care possible and THAT'S what they're embarassed about?
2013-10-31 01:45:57 PM
1 votes:
Hope and change....

*drink*
2013-10-31 01:44:49 PM
1 votes:
"Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage."

That entire sentence is bullshiat dipped in bullshiat batter and then smothered in bullshiat sauce.

Nice job, CNN.
2013-10-31 01:41:49 PM
1 votes:
As everybody knows the only people allowed to "voice their displeasure" and intimidate are corporate lobbyists.
2013-10-31 01:41:33 PM
1 votes:
Those poor insurance execs.

They're able to take the high road because they don't engage in any fear-based, unethical business pract...

I can't even finish that snark.
2013-10-31 01:28:33 PM
1 votes:

The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?

Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.


It would have significant support from the good 'ol Chamber of Commerce and therefore their representation in Congress. Individuals support the concepts, I'm certain that it might be a good way to kick the retards out of the House.

Single-payer is better for the economy, better for business large and small, better for individuals, better for the medical community.

Insurance companies would have to move to selling supplemental or enhanced plans, but, who gives a fark about an industry that was in the business of raping the least able to protect themselves for yearsandyearsandyears.

Hell, US-based businesses could better compete on the international stage as they wouldn't have the health insurance burden dragging them down while their European competition pointed and laughed.

Pensions could be a thing again.
2013-10-31 01:23:57 PM
1 votes:
None of this can be true.
Since later Obama will tell us that he did not know about any of this. (or anything else)
2013-10-31 01:10:30 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: cameroncrazy1984: Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago

I've been on the same job almost 20 years, so yeah.

James!: Actually that would be a good person to talk to. Part of what community organizer's do is to help people work through the system so they can improve their situation.

You still clap for Tinkerbell every time you watch Peter Pan, don't you?


Oddly enough, your attempt here to ridicule him as childish leaves you just as open to accusations of childishness.
2013-10-31 12:59:04 PM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: the main question is this: why a vocal critic of Obmacare, who is only a consultant, biatching and no one else prominent?

And why is this guy getting press?


Because OUTRAAAAGE means money.

The media is pretty much just about trolling for clicks these days. Manufactured crises are a license to print money.
2013-10-31 12:54:12 PM
1 votes:
CSB: My application to become a FEMA reeducation camp guard in Texas was just approved!!! Opens on January 1st. I'm excited.
2013-10-31 12:49:18 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.

So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.

So then Eisenhower was just a junior grade officer in the US Army then.

Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer.

Ronald Reagan, an actor.

Look at George Washington, even. All he ever did was run a plantation that he inherited. Hell, he even had slaves do all the work.


When I want to know how to keep a country together and prosecute a civil war, I just ask an uneducated, failed lawyer and businessman who couldn't even get elected to the House.
2013-10-31 12:44:02 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Obama is an empty suit. He's never had a real job. He is AWOL.

Obama is running a Chicago style Black Muslim Athiest mafia which is systematically destroying America.

Which is it?


I use to maintain this list during his first term:

-foreign
-muslim
-elitist
-terrorist sympathizer
-terrorist
-socialist
-economist
-empty suit
-incompetent
-puppet
-anti-semite
-racist
-Uncle Tom
-inexperienced
-corrupt
-naive
-dishonest
-confused
-brash
-rude
-overconfident
-arrogant
-retarded
-delusional
-"that one"
-messiah
-teleprompter user
-trying to do too much
-not trying to do enough
-mean spirited
-lost boy
-unpatriotic
-great divider
-baby
-gay
-Radical
-Communist
-Fascist
-Anti American
2013-10-31 12:42:24 PM
1 votes:

oh_please: But Bob Laszewski, who heads a consulting firm for big insurance companies, did talk on the record.

He'd better hope his tax records are in apple-pie order.


Obama is gonna send his IRS Black panther goon squad thugs after him!
2013-10-31 12:30:16 PM
1 votes:

cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

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/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?


Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).
2013-10-31 12:29:52 PM
1 votes:
FTFA:

"White House officials have pressured insurance industry executives to keep quiet amid mounting criticism over Obamacare's rollout, insurance industry sources told CNN. "

Translation:One guy with an axe to grind and a history of being critical of the ACA told us that White House staff told him to be quiet, and we just ran with it, because that way we get more outrage clicks.
2013-10-31 12:29:21 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Obama is an empty suit. He's never had a real job. He is AWOL.

Obama is running a Chicago style Black Muslim Athiest mafia which is systematically destroying America.

Which is it?


Why not both?
2013-10-31 12:24:26 PM
1 votes:
Obama is an empty suit. He's never had a real job. He is AWOL.

Obama is running a Chicago style Black Muslim Athiest mafia which is systematically destroying America.

Which is it?
2013-10-31 12:18:18 PM
1 votes:

Slives: 'Fear and Intimidation' - isn't that the boogeymen that the Republicans have been running with since 9/11?

ZOMG! The brown terrorists are coming! Only 'WE' can keep your kids safe....


Remember how in 2008 an 2012 they tried to get us to vote for the GOP nomination by saying there WILL be another terrorist attack if Obama was elected president? Good times.
2013-10-31 12:14:00 PM
1 votes:

kbronsito: Instead of intimidating the insurance industry to protect Obamacare, can we intimidate them by pushing for single-payer?


Yes.
 
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