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2013-10-31 11:25:09 AM  
NSA wire tapping, fast and furious scandals, corruption in the Justice department and THIS is what CNN has a problem with?

/somebody must be paying good money for these stories
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-31 11:27:20 AM  

Voiceofreason01: NSA wire tapping, fast and furious scandals, corruption in the Justice department and THIS is what CNN has a problem with?


I guess they outbid you?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-31 11:30:49 AM  
So, how elected is Obama going to punish them for speaking and why doesn't he do it to people like Ted Cruz?

Is this one of those FEMA re-education camp type conspiracies?


i liked this part:
"One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.
 
2013-10-31 11:44:15 AM  
Obama and the insurance industry negotiated over their resistance to Obamacare. The insurance industry agreed not to be critical in exchange for no government health plan.

Obama's just reminding them of the deal.
 
2013-10-31 11:51:26 AM  
Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.
 
2013-10-31 11:55:36 AM  
Instead of intimidating the insurance industry to protect Obamacare, can we intimidate them by pushing for single-payer?
 
2013-10-31 12:14:00 PM  

kbronsito: Instead of intimidating the insurance industry to protect Obamacare, can we intimidate them by pushing for single-payer?


Yes.
 
2013-10-31 12:15:33 PM  
'Fear and Intimidation' - isn't that the boogeymen that the Republicans have been running with since 9/11?

ZOMG! The brown terrorists are coming! Only 'WE' can keep your kids safe....
 
2013-10-31 12:18:18 PM  

Slives: 'Fear and Intimidation' - isn't that the boogeymen that the Republicans have been running with since 9/11?

ZOMG! The brown terrorists are coming! Only 'WE' can keep your kids safe....


Remember how in 2008 an 2012 they tried to get us to vote for the GOP nomination by saying there WILL be another terrorist attack if Obama was elected president? Good times.
 
2013-10-31 12:24:26 PM  
Obama is an empty suit. He's never had a real job. He is AWOL.

Obama is running a Chicago style Black Muslim Athiest mafia which is systematically destroying America.

Which is it?
 
2013-10-31 12:25:33 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.


Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?
 
2013-10-31 12:29:21 PM  

vernonFL: Obama is an empty suit. He's never had a real job. He is AWOL.

Obama is running a Chicago style Black Muslim Athiest mafia which is systematically destroying America.

Which is it?


Why not both?
 
2013-10-31 12:29:44 PM  

vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.


Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.
 
2013-10-31 12:29:52 PM  
FTFA:

"White House officials have pressured insurance industry executives to keep quiet amid mounting criticism over Obamacare's rollout, insurance industry sources told CNN. "

Translation:One guy with an axe to grind and a history of being critical of the ACA told us that White House staff told him to be quiet, and we just ran with it, because that way we get more outrage clicks.
 
2013-10-31 12:30:16 PM  

cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?


Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).
 
2013-10-31 12:31:50 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago?
 
2013-10-31 12:31:55 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Actually that would be a good person to talk to.  Part of what community organizer's do is to help people work through the system so they can improve their situation.
 
2013-10-31 12:36:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago?


I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.
 
2013-10-31 12:37:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago


I've been on the same job almost 20 years, so yeah.

James!: Actually that would be a good person to talk to. Part of what community organizer's do is to help people work through the system so they can improve their situation.


You still clap for Tinkerbell every time you watch Peter Pan, don't you?
 
2013-10-31 12:39:08 PM  
But Bob Laszewski, who heads a consulting firm for big insurance companies, did talk on the record.

He'd better hope his tax records are in apple-pie order.
 
2013-10-31 12:39:16 PM  

vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.


So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.
 
2013-10-31 12:40:45 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: You still clap for Tinkerbell every time you watch Peter Pan, don't you?


Weird response.  I suppose you wouldn't just admit that you have no idea what a community organizer does.
 
2013-10-31 12:41:38 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.

So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.


So then Eisenhower was just a junior grade officer in the US Army then.
 
2013-10-31 12:42:24 PM  

oh_please: But Bob Laszewski, who heads a consulting firm for big insurance companies, did talk on the record.

He'd better hope his tax records are in apple-pie order.


Obama is gonna send his IRS Black panther goon squad thugs after him!
 
2013-10-31 12:44:02 PM  

vernonFL: Obama is an empty suit. He's never had a real job. He is AWOL.

Obama is running a Chicago style Black Muslim Athiest mafia which is systematically destroying America.

Which is it?


I use to maintain this list during his first term:

-foreign
-muslim
-elitist
-terrorist sympathizer
-terrorist
-socialist
-economist
-empty suit
-incompetent
-puppet
-anti-semite
-racist
-Uncle Tom
-inexperienced
-corrupt
-naive
-dishonest
-confused
-brash
-rude
-overconfident
-arrogant
-retarded
-delusional
-"that one"
-messiah
-teleprompter user
-trying to do too much
-not trying to do enough
-mean spirited
-lost boy
-unpatriotic
-great divider
-baby
-gay
-Radical
-Communist
-Fascist
-Anti American
 
2013-10-31 12:44:54 PM  
I really like the word "then," apparently.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-31 12:47:18 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Would you rather ask an insurance executive?

freakoutnation.com
 
2013-10-31 12:47:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.

So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.

So then Eisenhower was just a junior grade officer in the US Army then.


Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer.

Ronald Reagan, an actor.

Look at George Washington, even. All he ever did was run a plantation that he inherited. Hell, he even had slaves do all the work.
 
2013-10-31 12:49:18 PM  

vernonFL: cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.

So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.

So then Eisenhower was just a junior grade officer in the US Army then.

Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer.

Ronald Reagan, an actor.

Look at George Washington, even. All he ever did was run a plantation that he inherited. Hell, he even had slaves do all the work.


When I want to know how to keep a country together and prosecute a civil war, I just ask an uneducated, failed lawyer and businessman who couldn't even get elected to the House.
 
2013-10-31 12:52:52 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Because Obama has no staff or consultants who may be experts. He has the White House all to himself.
 
2013-10-31 12:53:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: vernonFL: cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.

So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.

So then Eisenhower was just a junior grade officer in the US Army then.

Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer.

Ronald Reagan, an actor.

Look at George Washington, even. All he ever did was run a plantation that he inherited. Hell, he even had slaves do all the work.

When I want to know how to keep a country together and prosecute a civil war, I just ask an uneducated, failed lawyer and businessman who couldn't even get elected to the House.




Lincoln wasn't a failed lawyer. He was quite good at it.
 
2013-10-31 12:54:12 PM  
CSB: My application to become a FEMA reeducation camp guard in Texas was just approved!!! Opens on January 1st. I'm excited.
 
2013-10-31 12:56:15 PM  
the main question is this: why a vocal critic of Obmacare, who is only a consultant, biatching and no one else prominent?

And why is this guy getting press?
 
2013-10-31 12:58:55 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: the main question is this: why a vocal critic of Obmacare, who is only a consultant, biatching and no one else prominent?

And why is this guy getting press?


CNN fails at journalism.
 
2013-10-31 12:59:04 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: the main question is this: why a vocal critic of Obmacare, who is only a consultant, biatching and no one else prominent?

And why is this guy getting press?


Because OUTRAAAAGE means money.

The media is pretty much just about trolling for clicks these days. Manufactured crises are a license to print money.
 
2013-10-31 01:00:46 PM  
Laszewski, who's been a vocal critic of Obamacare, said he's been asked by insurance executives to speak out because they feel defenseless against an administration that is regulating their business -- and a big customer.

Gee, bias much?
 
2013-10-31 01:03:09 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Right. Because discussing a plan with someone who is trying to sell you that selfsame plan will surely work out without any distortions in the discourse.
 
2013-10-31 01:06:43 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Laszewski, who's been a vocal critic of Obamacare, said he's been asked by insurance executives to speak out because they feel defenseless against an administration that is regulating their business -- and a big customer.

Gee, bias much?


This just in: insurance companies don't like the fact that they might actually have to provide healthcare with their health insurance plans.
 
2013-10-31 01:10:30 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cameroncrazy1984: Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago

I've been on the same job almost 20 years, so yeah.

James!: Actually that would be a good person to talk to. Part of what community organizer's do is to help people work through the system so they can improve their situation.

You still clap for Tinkerbell every time you watch Peter Pan, don't you?


Oddly enough, your attempt here to ridicule him as childish leaves you just as open to accusations of childishness.
 
2013-10-31 01:13:14 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).


What do you have against single payer?
 
2013-10-31 01:13:39 PM  
Our medical device company is chocking their slow results in FY2013  up to "uncertainty" over Obamacare.  These titans of industry sure do whine a lot.
 
2013-10-31 01:22:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.

So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.

So then Eisenhower was just a junior grade officer in the US Army then.


If we look at what they were doing 20 years ago, Eisenhower would be referred to as dead.

/Best kind of correct
 
2013-10-31 01:23:34 PM  

dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?


Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.
 
2013-10-31 01:23:57 PM  
None of this can be true.
Since later Obama will tell us that he did not know about any of this. (or anything else)
 
2013-10-31 01:26:37 PM  

chiett: None of this can be true.
Since later Obama will tell us that he did not know about any of this. (or anything else)


Look, if you're gonna come with trolling you better step your game up. At least  Dancin_In_Anson had something grounded tenuously in reality.
 
2013-10-31 01:28:33 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?

Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.


It would have significant support from the good 'ol Chamber of Commerce and therefore their representation in Congress. Individuals support the concepts, I'm certain that it might be a good way to kick the retards out of the House.

Single-payer is better for the economy, better for business large and small, better for individuals, better for the medical community.

Insurance companies would have to move to selling supplemental or enhanced plans, but, who gives a fark about an industry that was in the business of raping the least able to protect themselves for yearsandyearsandyears.

Hell, US-based businesses could better compete on the international stage as they wouldn't have the health insurance burden dragging them down while their European competition pointed and laughed.

Pensions could be a thing again.
 
2013-10-31 01:34:40 PM  

dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?

Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.

It would have significant support from the good 'ol Chamber of Commerce and therefore their representation in Congress. Individuals support the concepts, I'm certain that it might be a good way to kick the retards out of the House.

Single-payer is better for the economy, better for business large and small, better for individuals, better for the medical community.

Insurance companies would have to move to selling supplemental or enhanced plans, but, who gives a fark about an industry that was in the business of raping the least able to protect themselves for yearsandyearsandyears.

Hell, US-based businesses could better compete on the international stage as they wouldn't have the health insurance burden dragging them down while their European competition pointed and laughed.

Pensions could be a thing again.


Dude, you don't have to convince me, I'm already there.

But have you been asleep for the last four years?  Obamacare is a tiny, around the edges bit of marketplace reforms and it's being treated like the end of the world by the right.  It is insane to pretend that something like single payer could get through our broken political system right now.
 
2013-10-31 01:37:45 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.


i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-31 01:38:55 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.


Yeah, my reaction as well.
 
2013-10-31 01:41:01 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-31 01:41:33 PM  
Those poor insurance execs.

They're able to take the high road because they don't engage in any fear-based, unethical business pract...

I can't even finish that snark.
 
2013-10-31 01:41:49 PM  
As everybody knows the only people allowed to "voice their displeasure" and intimidate are corporate lobbyists.
 
2013-10-31 01:41:49 PM  

impaler: CSB: My application to become a FEMA reeducation camp guard in Texas was just approved!!! Opens on January 1st. I'm excited.


Hey cool! When you get here, stop by the officer's mess. I have an old truncheon you can use until yours gets here from Stalingr... I mean St. Petersburg.
 
2013-10-31 01:44:14 PM  
Wow. An article with a grandoise claim backed by....

... one guy who's been whining professionally about the PPACA for years and the claim that there's more but they ain't talkin'.

Sounds legit.
 
2013-10-31 01:44:49 PM  
"Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage."

That entire sentence is bullshiat dipped in bullshiat batter and then smothered in bullshiat sauce.

Nice job, CNN.
 
2013-10-31 01:45:26 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


And if I need stupid derp, I go to you.
 
2013-10-31 01:45:57 PM  
Hope and change....

*drink*
 
2013-10-31 01:47:22 PM  

apoptotic: "Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage."

That entire sentence is bullshiat dipped in bullshiat batter and then smothered in bullshiat sauce.

Nice job, CNN.


no, it's accurate

insurance companies are no longer allowed to scam people and are upset about having to shut down the money fountain and cancel handjob tuesdays
 
2013-10-31 01:48:16 PM  
Tuesday's are for "limp wristed  and ineffectual," Wednesdays are "intimidating authoritarian."
 
2013-10-31 01:48:50 PM  

apoptotic: "Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage."

That entire sentence is bullshiat dipped in bullshiat batter and then smothered in bullshiat sauce.

Nice job, CNN.


For real. An entire industry that is based upon trying to get as much money from people as possible while providing them with as little care possible and THAT'S what they're embarassed about?
 
2013-10-31 01:50:18 PM  

sprawl15: apoptotic: "Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage."

That entire sentence is bullshiat dipped in bullshiat batter and then smothered in bullshiat sauce.

Nice job, CNN.

no, it's accurate

insurance companies are no longer allowed to scam people and are upset about having to shut down the money fountain and cancel handjob tuesdays


"We successfully marketed a shiat product to a captive audience and used regulations set up by lobbyists to engage in anticonsumer practices. And people were so clueless they were happy with it because it was better than the alternative of dying! Now we have to meet minimum standards and actually have to compete on a freer market and it suuuuuucks."
 
2013-10-31 01:51:00 PM  
 Insurers have begun discontinuing policies that don't meet Obamacare's beefed up coverage requirements.

Notice the highlighted word there. It is very important.

Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage.

The only thing they are "embarrassed" by is that fact that they've been selling shiat plans for years that are more of a scam than any kind of insurance.

Fark these people, they've literally had YEARS to prepare, and now they're playing it like they've been caught off guard and have no choice.

Fark these people.

With burning baseball bats studded with 9" rusty spikes.

Nightly.
 
2013-10-31 01:51:00 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Five years dude.  Five years as the President of the United States.  You can give up on the inexperience angle now.  You have 3 more years to go.
 
2013-10-31 01:51:57 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: cameroncrazy1984: vernonFL: cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vernonFL: I still refer to GW Bush as a coke addled alcoholic loser who couldnt even make it in the oil business.

So another yes.

Bad analogy there cam.

So then Eisenhower was just a junior grade officer in the US Army then.

Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer.

Ronald Reagan, an actor.

Look at George Washington, even. All he ever did was run a plantation that he inherited. Hell, he even had slaves do all the work.

When I want to know how to keep a country together and prosecute a civil war, I just ask an uneducated, failed lawyer and businessman who couldn't even get elected to the House.

Lincoln wasn't a failed lawyer. He was quite good at it.


Pssh. Lincoln? He was just some country bumpkin wrestler. What did he know?
 
2013-10-31 01:53:03 PM  
Can we just call CNN "Fox Lite," now?
 
2013-10-31 01:53:10 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Five years dude.  Five years as the President of the United States.  You can give up on the inexperience angle now.  You have 3 more years to go.


"Community organizer" = "black guy."

Seriously; outside of their service as politicians, what qualified Romney or McCain for governance? Military service? Time spent in private business? Why are those better than "attorney" and "community organizer?"
 
2013-10-31 01:54:07 PM  

verbaltoxin: Can we just call CNN "Fox Lite," now?


Now? Was hiring human-pig hybrid Eric Erickson not a red flag enough?
 
2013-10-31 01:54:12 PM  

sprawl15: apoptotic: "Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage."

That entire sentence is bullshiat dipped in bullshiat batter and then smothered in bullshiat sauce.

Nice job, CNN.

no, it's accurate

insurance companies are no longer allowed to scam people and are upset about having to shut down the money fountain and cancel handjob tuesdays


Free-ballin Fridays are still a go right?
 
2013-10-31 01:54:44 PM  
Yes. Yes it has....
 
2013-10-31 01:55:37 PM  

Voiceofreason01: NSA wire tapping, fast and furious scandals, corruption in the Justice department and THIS is what CNN has a problem with?

/somebody must be paying good money for these stories


All of which they've covered. Is your complaint that they don't devote themselves 24/7 to those other stories to the exclusion of all else?
 
2013-10-31 01:57:20 PM  
Once again, this professorial, effete and feckless orator resorts to brutish strong armed tactics.   If this Muslim atheist isn't stopped soon, we're all going to have the gay lifestyle shoved down our throats under Sharia Law.
 
2013-10-31 01:57:26 PM  

chiett: None of this can be true.
Since later Obama will tell us that he did not know about any of this. (or anything else)


You are concerned that Obama isn't actually an evil mastermind?
 
2013-10-31 01:57:28 PM  

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 567x326]

img.fark.net
 Not sure why it is here, but that sink is awesome sauce!


I suspect it is not a great sink in day to day use, but still awesome.
 
2013-10-31 01:57:41 PM  

impaler: CSB: My application to become a FEMA reeducation camp guard in Texas was just approved!!! Opens on January 1st. I'm excited.



Welcome aboard, brother! Since you're new, they'll probably have you working over in the Marx section where we teach former Capitalists the good news about socialism. I'm the manager of the White Guilt department. Maybe we can do lunch after I finish making these innocent white Conservatives atone for slavery, Jim Crow, and those McDonald's commercials where the black kids rap about their McSmoothies.
 
2013-10-31 01:58:50 PM  

verbaltoxin: Can we just call CNN "Fox Lite," now?


Some people actually purposely watch Fox.   The  people who watch CNN are stuck in airports and have no ability to change the channel.
 
2013-10-31 01:58:58 PM  

vernonFL: Obama is an empty suit. He's never had a real job. He is AWOL.

Obama is running a Chicago style Black Muslim Athiest mafia which is systematically destroying America.

Which is it?


Barack Hussein Obama is....

a Communist Nazi Muslim Socialist Peacenik Elitist Dhimmicrat Man-Child Egghead Blowhard Lightweight Girlyman Deathlord Embarrassment Celebrity Jihadist Appeaser Jew Poseur Usurper Dictator Manchurian-Candidate Community-Organizer Cult-Leader Empty-Suit Empty-Chair Tyrant Bureaucrat Hypocrite Nerd Non-Citizen America-Hater Arugula-Muncher Marxist Terrorist Pimp Liberal Leftist Stalinist Squatter Welfare-Statist Narcissist Plagiarist Pottymouth Pantywaist Murderer War-Criminal Islamofascist Sleeper-Cell Ghetto-Trash Blame-America-Firster Fearmonger Racist Atheist Kenyan Keynesian Militant Flag-Burner Cyber-Luddite Child-Molester Anti-Catholic Drug-Lord Gun-Grabber Gun-Runner Lightbulb-Outlawer Disbarred-Lawyer Bystander-In-Chief Scarecrow Hipster Union-Thug Anti-Semite Media-Darling Fifth-Columnist Ponzi-Schemer Vacation-Abuser Lazy-Ass Flip-Flopper Radical-Machiavelli Black-Liberationist Abortionist Antichrist Coward Traitor Liar Trickster Death-Panelist Affirmative-Action-Case Evolutionist Fraudster Pothead Coke-Dealer Alinskyite Taxaholic Spendthrift Job-Killer Puppetmaster Soros-Minion Apology-Tourist Anti-Colonialist Subhuman Illegal-Alien Homogay Reptoid Hayes-Insulter Dog-Eater Weather-Controller Silver-Spoon Monarchist Teleprompter-Addict Chain-Smoker Yuengling-Swiller Hip-Hop-Barbecuer Coal-Burner Taqqiya-Practitioner Hoodie-Condoner Stutterer Non-Tipper Non-Saluter Binder-Clipper Insider-Trader Pizza-Cheese-Eater Face-Blocker Havel-Snubber Drone-Striker Malware-Propagator Riot-Instigator Dilatory-Kid-Killer Autopen-User Obfuscator Marine-Humiliator Armwrestler-Phobic Churchill-Bust-Returner Tentacled-Regulator Misogynist Greenie-Weenie Squirt-Gunner State-Miscounter Asian-Name-Flubber Tchotchke-Seller Mom-Jeans-Wearer Big-Butt-Wife-Lover Grey-Poupon-Supremacist Long-Legged Mackdaddy.

.... and probably a whole lotta other Bad Things too. Truly, History's Greatest Monster.
 
2013-10-31 01:59:55 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: JusticeandIndependence: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Five years dude.  Five years as the President of the United States.  You can give up on the inexperience angle now.  You have 3 more years to go.

"Community organizer" = "black guy."

Seriously; outside of their service as politicians, what qualified Romney or McCain for governance? Military service? Time spent in private business? Why are those better than "attorney" and "community organizer?"


I believe the copy of the Constitution that exists in DIA's head will give you the answer.
 
2013-10-31 02:00:50 PM  

EyeballKid: verbaltoxin: Can we just call CNN "Fox Lite," now?

Now? Was hiring human-pig hybrid Eric Erickson not a red flag enough?


Sure. I don't know when that occurred though because I don't have cable.
 
2013-10-31 02:01:17 PM  

GameSprocket: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 567x326]
[img.fark.net image 567x326]
 Not sure why it is here, but that sink is awesome sauce!


I suspect it is not a great sink in day to day use, but still awesome.


I would so have to pee in that.
 
2013-10-31 02:04:05 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: JusticeandIndependence: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Five years dude.  Five years as the President of the United States.  You can give up on the inexperience angle now.  You have 3 more years to go.

"Community organizer" = "black guy."

rhymeswithright.mu.nu

 
2013-10-31 02:06:20 PM  
This is just like the time the Obama administration threatened the life of Bob Woodward.
 
2013-10-31 02:06:30 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: the main question is this: why a vocal critic of Obmacare, who is only a consultant, biatching and no one else prominent?

And why is this guy getting press?


And the main answer is: everybody else fears retribution. Think the CEO of Blue Cross is going to speak up and piss off the principle buyer of his product? After Standard and Poor's downgraded US debt, suddenly they're getting sued by the Justice Department. The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.
 
2013-10-31 02:07:04 PM  

Mikey1969: Insurers have begun discontinuing policies that don't meet Obamacare's beefed up coverage requirements.

Notice the highlighted word there. It is very important.

Laszewski said insurance company officials are embarrassed that they have to cancel plans and force people into more robust, and possibly more expensive, coverage.

The only thing they are "embarrassed" by is that fact that they've been selling shiat plans for years that are more of a scam than any kind of insurance.



What? We've been offering a VERY affordable plan that allows healthy individuals who never see a doctor to pay us every month until there is an emergency. Then, as long as they pay their $1500 deductible we will pay for their treatment until it is determined that it is no longer profitable to keep him as a customer. What the fark is everyone's problem?
 
2013-10-31 02:07:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: chiett: None of this can be true.
Since later Obama will tell us that he did not know about any of this. (or anything else)

Look, if you're gonna come with trolling you better step your game up. At least  Dancin_In_Anson had something grounded tenuously in reality.


I miss TPOC...
 
2013-10-31 02:08:40 PM  

jjorsett: Darth_Lukecash: the main question is this: why a vocal critic of Obmacare, who is only a consultant, biatching and no one else prominent?

And why is this guy getting press?

And the main answer is: everybody else fears retribution. Think the CEO of Blue Cross is going to speak up and piss off the principle buyer of his product? After Standard and Poor's downgraded US debt, suddenly they're getting sued by the Justice Department. The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.


...A buyer who they don't seem to want...for some reason.
 
2013-10-31 02:10:26 PM  

InmanRoshi: Obama's Reptiloid Master: JusticeandIndependence: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Five years dude.  Five years as the President of the United States.  You can give up on the inexperience angle now.  You have 3 more years to go.

"Community organizer" = "black guy."

[rhymeswithright.mu.nu image 342x600]


I do have to hand it to the left, they're masters at coming up with sinister phrases with which to smear their opponents. "Dog whistle", "dark money", "vast right-wing conspiracy", "deniers". Would that they devoted this kind of effort to coming up with programs that weren't control-freak, nanny-state, liberty-squelching money pits..
 
2013-10-31 02:10:47 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?

Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.


There's also the hundreds and hundreds of millions of lobbying dollars the insurance industry would  use to kill it in it's lawmaking crib.   See the Clinton Healthcare Plan of 1993.

And that was back when there were still a lot of reasonable Republicans who were actually interested in making government work better, and when someone like Phil Gramm stood out in the party as an epic douche.   Today Phil Gramm would be run out of the GOP as a RINO.
 
2013-10-31 02:11:24 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?

Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.

It would have significant support from the good 'ol Chamber of Commerce and therefore their representation in Congress. Individuals support the concepts, I'm certain that it might be a good way to kick the retards out of the House.

Single-payer is better for the economy, better for business large and small, better for individuals, better for the medical community.

Insurance companies would have to move to selling supplemental or enhanced plans, but, who gives a fark about an industry that was in the business of raping the least able to protect themselves for yearsandyearsandyears.

Hell, US-based businesses could better compete on the international stage as they wouldn't have the health insurance burden dragging them down while their European competition pointed and laughed.

Pensions could be a thing again.

Dude, you don't have to convince me, I'm already there.

But have you been asleep for the last four years?  Obamacare is a tiny, around the edges bit of marketplace reforms and it's being treated like the end of the world by the right.  It is insane to pretend that something like single payer could get through our broken political system right now.


The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans. When the Democrats start in Republican territory they get this bullshiat every time. Then, you get the same results you saw in 2010.

Democrats should move back to their own territory. They can win elections without being Republicans and cede the right-wing back to the racists and nut bars.

Single payer would pass were the Democratic Party in the business of supporting it. The last 5 years aren't relevant to its success or failure. Hell, it could be the final nail on the teabagger coffin/septic tank.
 
2013-10-31 02:11:48 PM  

jjorsett: The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.


I would love to hear an example of this.
 
2013-10-31 02:13:33 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Wow. You are still hung up on that? Look how
stupid you are.
 
2013-10-31 02:14:14 PM  

James!: jjorsett: The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.

I would love to hear an example of this.


Didn't Michelle have Barry's gay coke dealer killed? What about that?
 
2013-10-31 02:14:24 PM  

James!: jjorsett: The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.

I would love to hear an example of this.


they are constantly correcting his lies on the internets and that hurts his feelings.
 
2013-10-31 02:14:55 PM  

vernonFL: James!: jjorsett: The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.

I would love to hear an example of this.

Didn't Michelle have Barry's gay coke dealer killed? What about that?


Vince Foster?
 
2013-10-31 02:15:22 PM  

EyeballKid: verbaltoxin: Can we just call CNN "Fox Lite," now?

Now? Was hiring human-pig hybrid Eric Erickson not a red flag enough?


Wait. Human-pig?

Which part is the human?
 
2013-10-31 02:15:27 PM  

jjorsett: Darth_Lukecash: the main question is this: why a vocal critic of Obmacare, who is only a consultant, biatching and no one else prominent?

And why is this guy getting press?

And the main answer is: everybody else fears retribution. Think the CEO of Blue Cross is going to speak up and piss off the principle buyer of his product? After Standard and Poor's downgraded US debt, suddenly they're getting sued by the Justice Department. The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.


I recall Republicans shiatting on Standard and Poor's after the downgrade as well.    I'll assume being sued by Justice Department is completely unrelated unless you can provide a citation indicating otherwise.
 
2013-10-31 02:16:56 PM  

James!: jjorsett: The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.

I would love to hear an example of this.


img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-10-31 02:18:50 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: What? We've been offering a VERY affordable plan that allows healthy individuals who never see a doctor to pay us every month until there is an emergency. Then, as long as they pay their $1500 deductible we will pay for their treatment until it is determined that it is no longer profitable to keep him as a customer. What the fark is everyone's problem?


Yeah, holy crap, that example in the other thread where Fox corrected CBS? Wow... That woman was paying $52/month to have what amounted to absolutely NO health insurance. How can that shiat have even been legal, let alone "Obama's fault" for no longer letting them get away with it?
 
2013-10-31 02:19:05 PM  

jjorsett: Would that they devoted this kind of effort to coming up with programs that weren't control-freak, nanny-state, liberty-squelching money pits..


Leave Reagan's presidency out of this.


Meanwhile, go send 3 easy installment payments of $49.95 to SarahPAC or NewtPAC or SantorumPAC to help them run for office, and help ensure that another "community organizer" without a real job never gets elected again.
 
2013-10-31 02:19:10 PM  
I particularly enjoy the subtext that the government should always be subservient to corporations. "Don't say that - you'll make the corporations feel bad!"
 
2013-10-31 02:19:50 PM  

mrshowrules: GameSprocket: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 567x326]
[img.fark.net image 567x326]
 Not sure why it is here, but that sink is awesome sauce!


I suspect it is not a great sink in day to day use, but still awesome.

I would so have to pee in that.


I don't think it would hold your weight to squat in it, Mrs. How.
 
2013-10-31 02:20:11 PM  
You know, if Obama had been a community organizer for the past 20 years without advancing at all...I'd be more than willing to admonish him.

Of course, he's been to one of the best law schools on the planet, a state senator, a us senator, and leader of the free world for the past 5 years.

Meanwhile, some nitwit from west Texas is absolutely destroying him on the internet because Beavis totally knows more about healthcare than him. And, he HAS been at the exact same job for 20 years.
 
2013-10-31 02:20:35 PM  

DirkValentine: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Wow. You are still hung up on that? Look how
stupid you are.


dia is just a bitter racist clinging to what sanity he has left
 
2013-10-31 02:21:15 PM  

dr_blasto: mrshowrules: GameSprocket: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 567x326]
[img.fark.net image 567x326]
 Not sure why it is here, but that sink is awesome sauce!


I suspect it is not a great sink in day to day use, but still awesome.

I would so have to pee in that.

I don't think it would hold your weight to squat in it, Mrs. How.


I have a very large clenis.
 
2013-10-31 02:21:29 PM  

James!: jjorsett: The Obamaites are nasty and retaliatory to anyone who crosses them.

I would love to hear an example of this.


I've been known to kick people in the gooch.
 
2013-10-31 02:32:01 PM  
"The White House is intimidating all of the insurance providers and they're too afraid to say anything so they asked me to speak for them." said the man that nobody should believe, ever.
 
2013-10-31 02:33:04 PM  

sprawl15: DirkValentine: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Wow. You are still hung up on that? Look how
stupid you are.

dia is just a bitter racist clinging to what sanity he has left


Yeah, I could tolerate him about 8 or 9 years ago when he mostly talked about something he knows (based on many farkers exp) about - BBQ.

Also, he's sane - he's just an asshole.
 
2013-10-31 02:34:08 PM  

DirkValentine: sprawl15: DirkValentine: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Wow. You are still hung up on that? Look how
stupid you are.

dia is just a bitter racist clinging to what sanity he has left

Yeah, I could tolerate him about 8 or 9 years ago when he mostly talked about something he knows (based on many farkers exp) about - BBQ.


Well, you know racists LOVE picnics.
 
2013-10-31 02:34:56 PM  
i seem to recall there being a period of time when the PPACA was "a handout to the insurance Industry" President Obama was giving money to his crony buddies.

now i understand that these catchphrases change from week to week & that a lot of what the low info public hate about the act is mainly due to misinformation spread by the Conservative propaganda machine BUT can't the opposition show some integrity? maybe at least keep what you said last week on this weeks list? can't they ... well, how about you guys write down your grievences on paper so that you don't contradict yourselves into being neglected by people who are more interested in facts, logic and a stronger healthier better insured American public?
 
2013-10-31 02:35:20 PM  
I'd prefer Fear & Loathing
 
2013-10-31 02:35:42 PM  

dr_blasto: The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans. When the Democrats start in Republican territory they get this bullshiat every time. Then, you get the same results you saw in 2010.


Democrats did exactly what you wanted in 1993 when Clinton pushed for single payer.  It was a complete and utter failure that never sniffed becoming law, and the GOP cleaned their clocks in 1994 and took over the House for the first time in 40 years.

Change in this country generally always comes incrementally.  Medicare didn't just magically appear out of the air in 1965.   It was a culmination of progress of small steps that dated back to FDR and the 1930s.
 
2013-10-31 02:40:50 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.



If there's one person I'm going to ask... it's the dumbest mutherfarker on the internet!
 
2013-10-31 02:41:19 PM  

jjorsett: I do have to hand it to the left, they're masters at coming up with sinister phrases with which to smear their opponents.

 
2013-10-31 02:42:45 PM  
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2013-10-31 02:43:13 PM  
Back to "0bongo's drones gonna take mah guns n babby!" already, GOP?
 
2013-10-31 02:45:01 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.


Well, DIA, you can lay that particularly egregious piece of bullshiat to rest, if you please. After all, the only living human with more experience in his job is Bush 2.
 
2013-10-31 02:45:49 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: DirkValentine: sprawl15: DirkValentine: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Wow. You are still hung up on that? Look how
stupid you are.

dia is just a bitter racist clinging to what sanity he has left

Yeah, I could tolerate him about 8 or 9 years ago when he mostly talked about something he knows (based on many farkers exp) about - BBQ.

Well, you know racists LOVE picnics.


Now hold on a cotton-picking moment here!  who doesn't love picnics?
 
2013-10-31 02:48:58 PM  

Mike_1962: After all, the only living human with more experience in his job is Bush 2.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-31 02:51:13 PM  

jjorsett: I do have to hand it to the left, they're masters at coming up with sinister phrases with which to smear their opponents.


i1.ytimg.com

They learned from the very best!
 
2013-10-31 02:52:03 PM  
FARK is for liberals to get together and circle jerk each other. Just the same how Fox news is for the conservatives.
 
2013-10-31 02:52:32 PM  

James!: Dancin_In_Anson: You still clap for Tinkerbell every time you watch Peter Pan, don't you?

Weird response.  I suppose you wouldn't just admit that you have no idea what a community organizer does.


Good point. After all, a community organizer has listening and empathy skills, the ability to motivate and focus an often disparete (sp?) Group in a cooperative endeavour for the common good, a focus on the lives of the real people in the community. Dunno about you, but those sound like some pretty stellar qualities in the leader of a democratic nation, to me at least.
 
2013-10-31 02:53:45 PM  

bangman: FARK is for liberals to get together and circle jerk each other. Just the same how Fox news is for the conservatives.


Nothing says "liberal" more than a random arrogate news site that pulls from a wide variety of sources.

Both sides are bad.
 
2013-10-31 02:54:46 PM  
Oh, who will protect the poor, helpless, powerless insurance companies?
 
2013-10-31 02:57:22 PM  
The insurance companies need to stop lying and tell people they are getting rid of old plans because they have chosen not to do them anymore instead of implying they legally can't.

Saying "We got rid of this plan because it's not ACA compliant" - implies that under Obamacare they could still not offer the plan, which is not true. Plans that didn't majorly change from 2010 could be ran forever and even newer plans could be run for a full year more under ACA. The insurance companies are just choosing not to.

They just want their customers blaming Obama instead of them for getting rid of their plans.
 
2013-10-31 02:57:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago?


If there's one person that I'm going to ask about politics in America on an internet forum, it's a french fry fryer.
 
2013-10-31 02:58:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: chiett: None of this can be true.
Since later Obama will tell us that he did not know about any of this. (or anything else)

Look, if you're gonna come with trolling you better step your game up. At least  Dancin_In_Anson had something grounded tenuously in reality.


Not only that, but DIA actually has some good points occasionally when he refrains from talking points and rhetoric.
 
2013-10-31 02:58:23 PM  

bangman: FARK is for liberals to get together and circle jerk each other. Just the same how Fox news is for the conservatives.


judging by your login, you're the foremost authority on circle jerks so i'll take your word for it.
However, i'm not getting the satisfaction one might expect from participating in a circle of jerks.


impaler: bangman: FARK is for liberals to get together and circle jerk each other. Just the same how Fox news is for the conservatives.

Nothing says "liberal" more than a random arrogate news site that pulls from a wide variety of sources.

Both sides are bad.


and this

I think that maybe your partisan is showing Mr. Bangman.
 
2013-10-31 02:59:15 PM  

bangman: FARK is for liberals to get together and circle jerk each other. Just the same how Fox news is for the conservatives.


I'll have you know we do square jerks, triangle jerks, trapezoid jerks.  Once I was a part of a parallelogram jerk.  That was a great time had by all.

you should join us next time.
 
2013-10-31 03:02:07 PM  

Slives: 'Fear and Intimidation' - isn't that the boogeymen that the Republicans have been running with since 9/11?

ZOMG! The brown terrorists are coming! Only 'WE' can keep your kids safe....


Hm. Well, I guess it looks like both sides are bad.
 
2013-10-31 03:05:28 PM  
I figured since Insurance lobbyists practically wrote this bill and its turns every American (who doesn't choose to pay a fine) into a Insurance customer, that they would all be behind Obamacare? But what do I know.
 
2013-10-31 03:06:11 PM  

jigger: Slives: 'Fear and Intimidation' - isn't that the boogeymen that the Republicans have been running with since 9/11?

ZOMG! The brown terrorists are coming! Only 'WE' can keep your kids safe....

Hm. Well, I guess it looks like both sides are bad.


Said no one with a grasp on reality... ever.

//except sarcastically
 
2013-10-31 03:06:16 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: impaler: CSB: My application to become a FEMA reeducation camp guard in Texas was just approved!!! Opens on January 1st. I'm excited.


Welcome aboard, brother! Since you're new, they'll probably have you working over in the Marx section where we teach former Capitalists the good news about socialism. I'm the manager of the White Guilt department. Maybe we can do lunch after I finish making these innocent white Conservatives atone for slavery, Jim Crow, and those McDonald's commercials where the black kids rap about their McSmoothies.


Hahahahaha! Not sure why, but that one caught me right in the funnybone...
 
2013-10-31 03:12:43 PM  

dmaestaz: I figured since Insurance lobbyists practically wrote this bill and its turns every American (who doesn't choose to pay a fine) into a Insurance customer, that they would all be behind Obamacare? But what do I know.


Really. They're the big winners in all this.
 
2013-10-31 03:13:14 PM  
Actually, it's encouraging to see the Democrats get some guts and actually TELL the huge insurance corps what to do instead of the other way around.

Maybe this might lead to actual regulation down the line.
 
2013-10-31 03:14:40 PM  

whatsupchuck: "The White House is intimidating all of the insurance providers and they're too afraid to say anything so they asked me to speak for them." said the man that nobody should believe, ever.


Who will speak for the poor, downtrodden insurance companies?
 
2013-10-31 03:14:41 PM  

jjorsett: I do have to hand it to the left, they're masters at coming up with sinister phrases with which to smear their opponents. "Dog whistle", "dark money", "vast right-wing conspiracy", "deniers". Would that they devoted this kind of effort to coming up with programs that weren't control-freak, nanny-state, liberty-squelching money pits..


You owe me a new irony meter.
 
2013-10-31 03:15:16 PM  

bulldg4life: Mike_1962: After all, the only living human with more experience in his job is Bush 2.


Oops, quite right. My mistake and apologies. Of course, I would love to have Bill add his weight to the subject.
 
2013-10-31 03:16:46 PM  

bangman: FARK is for liberals to get together and circle jerk each other. Just the same how Fox news is for the conservatives.


You've been around Fark for a while. Have you ever joined TF? Ever been to TFD?

THAT is a farking circle jerk.
 
2013-10-31 03:19:46 PM  

Mike_1962: cameroncrazy1984: chiett: None of this can be true.
Since later Obama will tell us that he did not know about any of this. (or anything else)

Look, if you're gonna come with trolling you better step your game up. At least  Dancin_In_Anson had something grounded tenuously in reality.

Not only that, but DIA actually has some good points occasionally when he refrains from talking points and rhetoric.


So never, then?
 
2013-10-31 03:20:09 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: dr_blasto: The RIchest Man in Babylon: cman: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Troll headline + bullsh*t yellow article = instagreen, because f*ck you, that's why.

Welcometofark.jpg

/Anyone have any idea how we can rephrase the discussion we were having to make it closer to the topic at hand?

Tell you what I'd like to see- instead of stupid sniping from anonymous sources how about a discussion on ways to improve the law that are actually plausible right now (ie- not scrap it, and not single payer).

What do you have against single payer?

Oh, nothing at all- I'd prefer it.  I also recognize that it isn't politically possible right now between complete GOP apoplexy and squishy bluedogs.

It would have significant support from the good 'ol Chamber of Commerce and therefore their representation in Congress. Individuals support the concepts, I'm certain that it might be a good way to kick the retards out of the House.

Single-payer is better for the economy, better for business large and small, better for individuals, better for the medical community.

Insurance companies would have to move to selling supplemental or enhanced plans, but, who gives a fark about an industry that was in the business of raping the least able to protect themselves for yearsandyearsandyears.

Hell, US-based businesses could better compete on the international stage as they wouldn't have the health insurance burden dragging them down while their European competition pointed and laughed.

Pensions could be a thing again.

Dude, you don't have to convince me, I'm already there.

But have you been asleep for the last four years?  Obamacare is a tiny, around the edges bit of marketplace reforms and it's being treated like the end of the world by the right.  It is insane to pretend that something like single payer could get through our broken political system right now.


Dems should have fought for single payer from the beginning, and then given it up as the compromise for instituting a public option instead.

Even if that failed, it is better to have fought for a real solution and point out the people who kept it from happening, than to pass half-measures that didn't fundamentally reform anything and which then have to be defended down the road.
 
2013-10-31 03:20:12 PM  

dr_blasto: You've been around Fark for a while


At that login has. I've rarely if ever seen that poster in threads here. Ghost Alts. Relevant to today's date, I suppose.
 
2013-10-31 03:20:57 PM  
at least
 
2013-10-31 03:26:19 PM  

InmanRoshi: dr_blasto: The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans. When the Democrats start in Republican territory they get this bullshiat every time. Then, you get the same results you saw in 2010.

Democrats did exactly what you wanted in 1993 when Clinton pushed for single payer.  It was a complete and utter failure that never sniffed becoming law, and the GOP cleaned their clocks in 1994 and took over the House for the first time in 40 years.

Change in this country generally always comes incrementally.  Medicare didn't just magically appear out of the air in 1965.   It was a culmination of progress of small steps that dated back to FDR and the 1930s.


That's not what Hillarycare was. It was forcing employers to pay for all employees to join free-market HMOs. It was riddled with problems, poorly sold and the task force was a sham. It was nothing like a single-payer system.

Hell, the thing was so poorly set up the task force was sued. Hillary was already a divisive person politics and, as the first real First Lady to become a "part" of government (read: formally), the right went apoplectic.

It would have, likely opened the door for single-payer to sneak through. Obamacare actually opened that door. The left, center and center-right should walk the fark through that door and cast the retard brigade aside. It is good policy, good for the citizenry, good for business (well, not the leeches in the insurance world, but as I said, fark them). Rarely does policy cross the path of actually being good for everything.
 
2013-10-31 03:28:09 PM  

whidbey: dr_blasto: You've been around Fark for a while

At that login has. I've rarely if ever seen that poster in threads here. Ghost Alts. Relevant to today's date, I suppose.


Like the tard-brigade of alts that pop up for elections with join dates a decade earlier, they'll disappear within a few weeks if you even see them again.
 
2013-10-31 04:05:48 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cameroncrazy1984: Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago

I've been on the same job almost 20 years, so yeah.


Employment History:
1993-2000: Internet Republican, AOL dot com
2000-present: Internet Republican, Fark dot com
 
2013-10-31 04:09:51 PM  
I thought you wanted him to lead???
 
2013-10-31 04:14:57 PM  

rogue49: I thought you wanted him to lead???


yeh but muh freedoms
 
2013-10-31 04:15:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Slives: 'Fear and Intimidation' - isn't that the boogeymen that the Republicans have been running with since 9/11?

ZOMG! The brown terrorists are coming! Only 'WE' can keep your kids safe....

Remember how in 2008 an 2012 they tried to get us to vote for the GOP nomination by saying there WILL be another terrorist attack if Obama was elected president? Good times.


Benghazi?
 
2013-10-31 04:31:48 PM  
Until there is a non-profit Health Insurance Company, the ACA is going to do nothing more then increase profits for insurance companies while insuring that they have no competitive need to increase services.  The Democrats (Face) and Republicans (Heel) will continue their WWE style bickering while getting kickbacks from the same companies and screwing the public using shell games.
 
2013-10-31 04:34:58 PM  

flynn80: Until there is a non-profit Health Insurance Company, the ACA is going to do nothing more then increase profits for insurance companies while insuring that they have no competitive need to increase services.  The Democrats (Face) and Republicans (Heel) will continue their WWE style bickering while getting kickbacks from the same companies and screwing the public using shell games.


Because getting the insurance to eliminate long-held restrictions like pre-existing conditions and forcing them to standardize policy="screwing the public"

Sure it is.
 
2013-10-31 04:37:54 PM  
insurance companies

That is truly the oddest posting mistake when you accidentally a word
 
2013-10-31 04:50:40 PM  

flynn80: Until there is a non-profit Health Insurance Company, the ACA is going to do nothing more then increase profits for insurance companies while insuring that they have no competitive need to increase services.


What about the 80/20 rule?
 
2013-10-31 05:23:03 PM  

vpb: So, how elected is Obama going to punish them for speaking and why doesn't he do it to people like Ted Cruz?

Is this one of those FEMA re-education camp type conspiracies?


i liked this part:
"One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.


How could he have possibly known that the ins. companies were going to write a law for him that drives up the cost of insurance for 90 million Americans? It's not like anyone read that horrible monstrocity before voting for it. They just knew that something had to be done or the world was going to crack in half.
 
2013-10-31 05:34:43 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: "Community organizer" = "black guy."


Do you honestly believe this?
 
2013-10-31 05:50:07 PM  

bangman: FARK is for liberals to get together and circle jerk each other. Just the same how Fox news is for the conservatives.


Lol, not even close David. Sorry that the people with the most intelligent conversations come off as "liberal" to you.
 
2013-10-31 06:06:18 PM  

whidbey: insurance companies

That is truly the oddest posting mistake when you accidentally a word


I often fill in missing words on my own, I'm usually right.

Although, vultures doesn't even rhyme with companies.
 
2013-10-31 07:09:07 PM  

dr_blasto: The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans.


Compromise? You mean the bill that Democrats crammed down our throats without a single republican vote? That's some fine compromisin', Lou. Man, I'd hate to see how bad things would have been if the democrats do so much compromising. The bill could have turned into a huge trainwreck!
 
2013-10-31 07:12:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: "One of the things I think is clear here is the Obama administration has no trust in anything the health insurance industry is telling them about how to run a health plan,"

Good, that's why we elected him.

Because if there's one person that I'm going to ask about my insurance, it's a community organizer.

Do people still refer to you by the job title you had 20 years ago?


What if that's the only job he's had in the last 20 years? Did you think about that before asking such an insensitive question?

Did you?

/why don't I have DIA ignored? I forget
 
2013-10-31 07:22:36 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: dr_blasto: The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans.

Compromise? You mean the bill that Democrats crammed down our throats without a single republican vote? That's some fine compromisin', Lou. Man, I'd hate to see how bad things would have been if the democrats do so much compromising. The bill could have turned into a huge trainwreck!


This is great!
 
2013-10-31 08:25:10 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Compromise? You mean the bill that Democrats crammed down our throats without a single republican vote?


Yeah, that'll happen when you lose several elections and end up as the minority party. I know, I know, it's utterly shocking that the party that won the majority of seats in the House of Representatives and the Senate had enough votes to pass a new law on their own, but sometimes it happens.
 
2013-10-31 08:44:54 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: dr_blasto: The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans.

Compromise? You mean the bill that Democrats crammed down our throats without a single republican vote? That's some fine compromisin', Lou. Man, I'd hate to see how bad things would have been if the democrats do so much compromising. The bill could have turned into a huge trainwreck!


Since it was conservatives who came up with Obamacare, and they've described it as a compromise, what 0 Republican votes means its they backed out of the compromise.
 
2013-10-31 09:21:53 PM  

qorkfiend: eah, that'll happen when you lose several elections and end up as the minority party. I know, I know, it's utterly shocking that the party that won the majority of seats in the House of Representatives and the Senate had enough votes to pass a new law on their own, but sometimes it happens.


And this has fark-all to do what what I said.....how, again?
 
2013-10-31 10:19:22 PM  

mrshowrules: -Uncle Tom


Uncle Tom is a term which white progressives use towards black conservatives.
 
2013-10-31 10:33:10 PM  

kbronsito: Instead of intimidating the insurance industry to protect Obamacare, can we intimidate them by pushing for single-payer?


zOMG SOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2013-10-31 10:39:25 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: dr_blasto: The obamacare is a fiasco because it started out as a compromise with the Republicans.

Compromise? You mean the bill that Democrats crammed down our throats without a single republican vote?


inyourfaceradio.net

That's some fine compromisin', Lou. Man, I'd hate to see how bad things would have been if the democrats do so much compromising. The bill could have turned into a huge trainwreck!

I seem to remember something about a public option.  Which the Democrats bargained away.  That sounds like an attempt a compromise.  But asking the Democrats to compromise with the Plutocrat Party is like asking Bugs Bunny to compromise with Yosemite Sam.

imageshack.us
 
2013-10-31 10:41:42 PM  

flynn80: Until there is a non-profit Health Insurance Company a proper single payer system, the ACA is going to do nothing more then increase profits for insurance companies while insuring that they have no competitive need to increase services.  The Democrats (Face) and Republicans (Heel) will continue their WWE style bickering while getting kickbacks from the same companies and screwing the public using shell games.


FTFY
 
2013-10-31 10:56:15 PM  
I believe the USA's 2 party system of the donkeys and elephants should be replaced by the real true parties of government.
 
2013-10-31 11:26:32 PM  
To be fair, there are a few liberal farkers that have had enough integrity and honesty to criticize the Obama administration.  Unfortunately,  they're in the minority (at least on Fark).

However, I'm rather enjoying the majority of fark liberals falling all over themselves to defend the Obama administration under any and all circumstances.  It's just like the Bushbots all over again.

These are just a few things that fark liberals have defended:  Drone strikes on American citizens, military action in Libya without Congressional approval, Obama's defense of the NSA (which is interesting if you look at this nugget http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgXi95f_UoM),  healthcare.gov,  lack of transparency, etc.

These are things that liberals would be jumping up and down about if it was a Republican in the Oval Office.  You guys really need to step back and think about what you really believe in.

/hates both parties
//yes both parties ARE bad
///have been saying that and voting 3rd party since '92
 
2013-11-01 04:25:10 AM  

Why Would I Read the Article: ou mean the bill that Democrats crammed down our throats without a single republican vote


OH NO HURR DURR OBAMA IS TEH DICTATOR DURR
 
2013-11-01 04:26:15 AM  

slayer199: To be fair, there are a few liberal farkers that have had enough integrity and honesty to criticize the Obama administration.


When you think center right-leaning policy = socialism

you don't have much of a say as to who criticizes what.
 
2013-11-01 08:32:21 AM  

shamanwest: why don't I have DIA ignored? I forget


Because ignore is for the weak and you're not weak...are you?
 
2013-11-02 12:57:15 AM  

whidbey: When you think center right-leaning policy = socialism

you don't have much of a say as to who criticizes what.


So I take it you're one of the defenders?  If you think Obama is right-leaning on social policies, you're just left of Stalin.  Militarily, he's pretty damn hawkish (and I really don't see liberals jumping up and down about that too much either).

No, I don't have a say on who criticizes what...I was making an observation as someone that votes for neither of the 2 major parties.  Very few liberals have taken Obama to task for his un-liberal like actions on things like military actions, drones, and civil liberties.
 
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