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(Opposing Views)   We like shopping and going out to club, but when me and my girlfriends really want to cut loose and have a good time we go to the gyno for our annual pap and breast exams. Straight diva   (opposingviews.com) divider line 109
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2013-10-31 12:01:43 PM  
s21.postimg.org

Keep it up.
 
2013-10-31 12:22:20 PM  
"It's fair if you pay for what you use, unless you're destitute," Stossel said.

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Also, this is why we should have single payer, health care should not be driven by profit considerations. Most people can't pay for what they use at any given time, so when we're healthy, we should pitch in to help the sick, and vice versa.
 
2013-10-31 12:39:11 PM  
John Stossell is a dumbass.
 
2013-10-31 12:40:19 PM  
Maybe instead of biatching that women go to the doctor more you should just go to the doctor more and get your money's worth
 
2013-10-31 12:41:18 PM  
He clearly does not understand how insurance, premium reserves and risk-spreading works.

Assclown.
 
2013-10-31 12:43:57 PM  
More complex systems require more maintenance.

www.dvo.com
 
2013-10-31 12:47:59 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: [s21.postimg.org image 331x452]

Keep it up.


Compared to all the other shenanigans the Republicans are actively doing to women this hardly registers.
 
2013-10-31 12:48:37 PM  
If my EOB is to be believed then going to the doctor costs my insurance company around $100 a pop, assuming I've met my $1000+ deductible.

Which is pretty damn tiny compared to either an ER visit or hospital trip if something gets caught too late.
 
2013-10-31 12:49:52 PM  
Number of times I've seen guys make the "How come my insurance gots to pay for pregnancy and titty exams?" argument in the past 5 years: about 100

Number of times I've heard a woman make the "How come my insurance gots to pay for prostate exams and nut cancer?" argument in my life: 0.

But keep it up guys.  Hell, double down on this shiat.  As a white person, demand a health plan that doesn't cover sickle cell.
 
2013-10-31 12:51:35 PM  
Not truly relevant but still very funny:

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2013-10-31 12:52:05 PM  

apoptotic: John Stossell is a dumbass.


Only partially correct.  Everyone associated in any tangential way with Fox and Friends is a dumbass.
 
2013-10-31 12:52:08 PM  
So, based on the genetic lottery should determine if you pay more or less for health insurance huh?

I guess it does make you more bootstrappy when you have to overcome these things while paying more for things.
 
2013-10-31 12:56:15 PM  

phenn: He clearly does not understand how insurance, premium reserves and risk-spreading works.

Assclown.


Not only that he pulled his numbers out of his ass:

"Women pay $1 billion more each year in individual health insurance costs even
though they tend take better care of their health than men,
according to a new report released on Monday by the National Women's Law Center."
 
2013-10-31 12:56:52 PM  
If women are going to the doctor more then they're spending more on co-payments. Of course in the long run preventative care is cheaper than trying to treat an advanced condition. Pity we don't charge for people saying stupid things on the air.
 
2013-10-31 12:57:16 PM  
Oh no he diiiiiiiidn't!!!
 
2013-10-31 12:57:17 PM  
Dear John Stossel,

Women go to the doctor more often because they are required to if they want to receive birth control pills.  Birth control pills means guys like me get condomless sex with a significantly reduced result in her getting pregnant.  I'm more than happy to foot that bill, who the hell wouldn't be?  Don't you fark this up for straight men, John.  Don't you do it.  You shut your pie hole.

Warm regards,
~Lenny
 
2013-10-31 12:59:04 PM  

lennavan: Dear John Stossel,

Women go to the doctor more often because they are required to if they want to receive birth control pills.  Birth control pills means guys like me get condomless sex with a significantly reduced result in her getting pregnant.  I'm more than happy to foot that bill, who the hell wouldn't be?  Don't you fark this up for straight men, John.  Don't you do it.  You shut your pie hole.

Warm regards,
~Lenny


Look at his moustache. That man aches for semen on his face.
 
2013-10-31 12:59:25 PM  
Stossel.  Rhymes with *sshole.
 
2013-10-31 01:00:11 PM  

BSABSVR: Number of times I've seen guys make the "How come my insurance gots to pay for pregnancy and titty exams?" argument in the past 5 years: about 100

Number of times I've heard a woman make the "How come my insurance gots to pay for prostate exams and nut cancer?" argument in my life: 0.

But keep it up guys.  Hell, double down on this shiat.  As a white person, demand a health plan that doesn't cover sickle cell.


OK, so it looks like one woman is kind of doing that, but it's the intellectual specimen that can't keep track of her guns for five minutes.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/renee-ellmers-best-your-knowledge-h as -man-e
 
2013-10-31 01:01:46 PM  
Appropriately, I have you farkied as 'Articulate'.
 
2013-10-31 01:01:56 PM  

lennavan: Dear John Stossel,

Women go to the doctor more often because they are required to if they want to receive birth control pills.  Birth control pills means guys like me get condomless sex with a significantly reduced result in her getting pregnant.  I'm more than happy to foot that bill, who the hell wouldn't be?  Don't you fark this up for straight men, John.  Don't you do it.  You shut your pie hole.

Warm regards,
~Lenny


Even with birth control I still follow the no glove no love rule. You never can be too careful.
 
2013-10-31 01:03:24 PM  

lennavan: Dear John Stossel,

Women go to the doctor more often because they are required to if they want to receive birth control pills.  Birth control pills means guys like me get condomless sex with a significantly reduced result in her getting pregnant.  I'm more than happy to foot that bill, who the hell wouldn't be?  Don't you fark this up for straight men, John.  Don't you do it.  You shut your pie hole.

Warm regards,
~Lenny


Let's try that again...

Appropriately, I have you farkied as 'Articulate'.
 
2013-10-31 01:05:20 PM  
John Stossel is the asshole who dressed up as a panhandler in New York for a segment for Fox Business, to prove some bullshiat point about why you shouldn't give to panhandlers.

He also went on Fox to call young people stupid and tell them not to vote. He's a pathological liar of the worst sort. For instance, did you know raising the minimum wage is bad for poor people?

Yeah, anything that comes out of this guy's mouth is bullshiat of the highest degree.
 
2013-10-31 01:07:45 PM  

kidgenius: So, based on the genetic lottery should determine if you pay more or less for health insurance huh?

I guess it does make you more bootstrappy when you have to overcome these things while paying more for things.


Don't forget being paid less because you're a higher risk of needing more sick days an ltd payments.
 
2013-10-31 01:08:27 PM  
We like shopping and going out to club, but when me and my girlfriends really want to cut loose and have a good time we go to the gyno for our annual pap and breast exams. Straight diva

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2013-10-31 01:08:49 PM  

monoski: phenn: He clearly does not understand how insurance, premium reserves and risk-spreading works.

Assclown.

Not only that he pulled his numbers out of his ass:

"Women pay $1 billion more each year in individual health insurance costs even
though they tend take better care of their health than men,
according to a new report released on Monday by the National Women's Law Center."


Yup. Mind you, what I've read on the subject eludes to end of life care being the largest chunk of insurance payout. Also, men take up the lion's share of those dollars. Again, it's about risk-spreading, which is the core concept of health insurance in the first place.

I want to like Stossel. But, I simply cannot when he says moronic things like this.
 
2013-10-31 01:09:45 PM  

sprawl15: We like shopping and going out to club, but when me and my girlfriends really want to cut loose and have a good time we go to the gyno for our annual pap and breast exams. Straight diva

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Spelled backward that's dog pap, which is gross.
 
2013-10-31 01:10:03 PM  
He makes a point. Why should I be charged the same amount for a service I use less often?
 
2013-10-31 01:12:13 PM  
Ah the poor downtrodden white man, how I pity thee.
 
2013-10-31 01:12:40 PM  
Men are more likely to get shot, stabbed, and break bones. It evens out
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-31 01:13:06 PM  

JesusJuice: He makes a point. Why should I be charged the same amount for a service I use less often?


www.magweb.com

"Insurance doesn't work that way, honey..."
 
2013-10-31 01:13:26 PM  

JesusJuice: He makes a point. Why should I be charged the same amount for a service I use less often?


Because you don't know how health insurance works, you get charged an idiocy tax.
 
2013-10-31 01:13:31 PM  

JesusJuice: He makes a point. Why should I be charged the same amount for a service I use less often?


I feel the same way about Netflix.  I only watch movies once every few days.  Some people are watching hours upon hours every day.  Why should I pay the same amount as them?  It's outrageous!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-31 01:14:45 PM  

lennavan: JesusJuice: He makes a point. Why should I be charged the same amount for a service I use less often?

I feel the same way about Netflix.  I only watch movies once every few days.  Some people are watching hours upon hours every day.  Why should I pay the same amount as them?  It's outrageous!


Yeah.  Your mom is used ALL the time... and she charges less.
 
2013-10-31 01:15:19 PM  

JesusJuice: He makes a point. Why should I be charged the same amount for a service I use less often?


Well, yeah it does appear to make sense, but think of all the times you already pay more or less for a service?  Do you have cable?  How much TV do you watch?  What about a gym membership?  Then there's taxes for schools you don't attend or perhaps your children don't attend, streetlights and sidewalks, etc.  Remember, insurance isn't pay-per-view, it's a service contract.
 
2013-10-31 01:16:52 PM  

YodaTuna: JesusJuice: He makes a point. Why should I be charged the same amount for a service I use less often?

Because you don't know how health insurance works, you get charged an idiocy tax.


Then there is the complication that what he said is not even true. Women do pay more and are healthier.
 
2013-10-31 01:17:04 PM  

BSABSVR: Number of times I've seen guys make the "How come my insurance gots to pay for pregnancy and titty exams?" argument in the past 5 years: about 100

Number of times I've heard a woman make the "How come my insurance gots to pay for prostate exams and nut cancer?" argument in my life: 0.

But keep it up guys.  Hell, double down on this shiat.  As a white person, demand a health plan that doesn't cover sickle cell.


And the sad part is, breast cancer happens to men too.  Yes, your money should go to breast exams...for everyone.
 
2013-10-31 01:18:04 PM  

monoski: YodaTuna: JesusJuice: He makes a point. Why should I be charged the same amount for a service I use less often?

Because you don't know how health insurance works, you get charged an idiocy tax.

Then there is the complication that what he said is not even true. Women do pay more and are healthier.


yup

women pay a couple hundred dollars for a single pap smear

i just pay the doc like 40 bucks and i can do them all day
 
2013-10-31 01:22:20 PM  
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Shut up, Stosel!!!
 
2013-10-31 01:26:18 PM  

lennavan: Dear John Stossel,

Women go to the doctor more often because they are required to if they want to receive birth control pills.  Birth control pills means guys like me get condomless sex with a significantly reduced result in her getting pregnant.  I'm more than happy to foot that bill, who the hell wouldn't be?  Don't you fark this up for straight men, John.  Don't you do it.  You shut your pie hole.

Warm regards,
~Lenny


I am guessing that does not make up the bulk of the difference, my guess in order:
1. Child birth
2. Breast cancer (including exams, screening, etc.)
3. Annual exams
 
2013-10-31 01:33:56 PM  

You're the jerk... jerk: lennavan: Dear John Stossel,

Women go to the doctor more often because they are required to if they want to receive birth control pills.  Birth control pills means guys like me get condomless sex with a significantly reduced result in her getting pregnant.  I'm more than happy to foot that bill, who the hell wouldn't be?  Don't you fark this up for straight men, John.  Don't you do it.  You shut your pie hole.

Warm regards,
~Lenny

I am guessing that does not make up the bulk of the difference, my guess in order:
1. Child birth
2. Breast cancer (including exams, screening, etc.)
3. Annual exams


1.  A man was 50% responsible for that child birth.  It should make complete sense to you why they should share footing the bill.
2.  Prostate cancer (including exams, screening, etc)
3.  The reason women go to annual exams more often is because of birth control (see above)

When you buy insurance, you buy access.  It's like Netflix, or a gym membership, whether you use it or not is up to you.
 
2013-10-31 01:35:30 PM  

Nuclear Monk: More complex systems require more maintenance.

[www.dvo.com image 432x264]


Since man is on top of woman, is that why man switch is up?
 
2013-10-31 01:36:43 PM  
For fark sake... women using preventative care saves money you stupid douche.
 
2013-10-31 01:37:49 PM  
If we are going to make the argument that it is unfair to charge women more than men for health insurance, can we also apply the reverse argument to car insurance?
 
2013-10-31 01:40:46 PM  
Insurance costs more if you're a smoker or otherwise more likely to need medical care. Why should being a woman be any different?
 
2013-10-31 01:48:19 PM  

houginator: If we are going to make the argument that it is unfair to charge women more than men for health insurance, can we also apply the reverse argument to car insurance?


It is true in the reverse for car insurance. Health insurance is fundamentally different than car insurance. You can't simply say going to a primary physician to much is worse, as opposed having to many accidents.
 
2013-10-31 01:50:37 PM  

JesusJuice: Insurance costs more if you're a smoker or otherwise more likely to need medical care. Why should being a woman be any different?


Cuz we farking said so, that's why
 
2013-10-31 01:52:31 PM  

lennavan: You're the jerk... jerk: lennavan: Dear John Stossel,

Women go to the doctor more often because they are required to if they want to receive birth control pills.  Birth control pills means guys like me get condomless sex with a significantly reduced result in her getting pregnant.  I'm more than happy to foot that bill, who the hell wouldn't be?  Don't you fark this up for straight men, John.  Don't you do it.  You shut your pie hole.

Warm regards,
~Lenny

I am guessing that does not make up the bulk of the difference, my guess in order:
1. Child birth
2. Breast cancer (including exams, screening, etc.)
3. Annual exams

1.  A man was 50% responsible for that child birth.  It should make complete sense to you why they should share footing the bill.
2.  Prostate cancer (including exams, screening, etc)
3.  The reason women go to annual exams more often is because of birth control (see above)

When you buy insurance, you buy access.  It's like Netflix, or a gym membership, whether you use it or not is up to you.


1. This would matter if the question was who should be responsible for payment vs. who is being treated. Child birth is very expensive and it is the biggest driver of the difference in costs of disability insurance (an area I randomly happen to know about)
2. Prostate cancer and screenings are lower (about 1/3rd) than breast cancer
3. No, they go to annual screenings for pap smears and other testing. If it were just to get a script for pills it would be different.

If health insurance were insurance (it isn't really), you would separate costs based on user and adding a woman to your plan would certainly cost more money.
 
2013-10-31 01:53:21 PM  
"For example," he continued. "Yesterday, President [Barack] Obama stood in front of a bunch of women in Massachusetts and said, 'No longer will those evil insurance companies be able to charge you women more.' But when did you last go to the doctor?"

Um, when have there been separate plans by gender?
 
2013-10-31 01:53:39 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: apoptotic: John Stossell is a dumbass.

Only partially correct.  Everyone associated in any tangential way with Fox and Friends is a dumbass.


After Dennis Miller made his money grab by moving far right, I don't hold it against any hack that has a family and needs to put food on the table.

Besides, are libs like Janeane Garofalo rich? Nope. They stuck to their ideals and the Dennis Millers raked in the blood money from conservatives.
 
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