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(Time)   Whatever /(h)wətˈevər - Used in an argument to admit that you are wrong without admitting it so the argument is over   (swampland.time.com) divider line 34
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2013-10-31 10:03:46 AM
9 votes:
Or, "I have so little respect for your point of view that I can no longer muster the energy required to tell you how stupid you are".
2013-10-31 10:18:33 AM
6 votes:
Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments. I think this is one of those cases. She could have explained the nuance that the president is ultimately in charge of the government but doesn't micro-manage IT projects but that would have been a waste of everyone's time. Smart people already know... republicans either don't understand or will pretend they don't.

In fact, all responses to GOP members of congress by anyone who reads at or above a 6th grade level, at any hearings, should just be replaced with "whatever" from now on.
2013-10-31 09:15:02 AM
6 votes:
Rep. Greg Harper: The president ultimately is responsible. While I think it's great that you're a team player and you're taking responsibility, it is the president's ultimate responsibility, correct?

Sebelius: Um... You clearly... Uh... Whatever. Yes he is the president. Yes he is responsible for government programs.


Yeah, that question got precisely the sort of answer it deserved.
2013-10-31 11:09:13 AM
4 votes:

lennavan: And who does the President answer to? Who does he work for? The American People that's who. So ultimately it's our fault, right?


You joke, but that's exactly the point that the GOP is trying to make.  Everything that goes wrong because we voted for a black Democrat needs to be smeared in our faces to teach us a lesson.  Come up with ideas that fix the problem or lead to a more effective solution?  Why they hell would they? Companies holding onto massive amounts of cash profit during a recession while cutting employees and benefits?  Why should they do their part to help the economy?  That wouldn't teach us.
2013-10-31 10:41:19 AM
4 votes:
"Fine. You want me to say it was President Obama's fault? Sure, it's his fault, whatever. Like any of this matters at all, beyond providing all the news channels with content for a couple days. You're standing up here for the cameras harumphing and posing, for a bunch of people back home that already average 1.5 Anti-Obama bumper stickers per car. Do you think that if they all rabble-rabble just a bit louder, that will somehow repeal Obamacare? So yeah, go sound your fury as much as you want. I'll end up taking the fall for this, which is fine because I've got my pick of positions waiting for me at various universities, drug companies, and law firms. And in 18 months when this is running smoother and people are actually being helped, you can tell them all how you single-handedly saved this program from my incompetence, and how it was really a Republican idea to begin with, anyway. Just do me a favor and try not to look like such a smug asshole."
2013-10-31 12:05:40 PM
2 votes:

lennavan: HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.

Wait, so you're saying as time goes by, the past doesn't change?  Crap, karnal, now what do we do?


Crap, now I have to go apologize to the auto mechanic for blaming him for my accident after I took it in to be repaired.
2013-10-31 12:04:44 PM
2 votes:

karnal: Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.


Can you name one thing that Obama has blamed on Bush that wasn't Bush's fault? One thing. Please. I'm begging you. Just name one thing.
2013-10-31 12:00:02 PM
2 votes:

karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.


And it's entirely accurate.
2013-10-31 11:35:18 AM
2 votes:
Science has proven the Party of Personal Responsibility lacks the capacity to understand the phrase "I am responsible".  It's like when you ask a kid with brain damage what he calls a black-and-white striped horse, and the kid says "Ebra."  He's incapable of understand he's wrong, because the kind of damage he's got basically creates a world in his perceptions where "Z" doesn't exist, can't exist.

This will not be the last time a parallel is drawn between the GOP and brain-damaged children.
2013-10-31 10:15:21 AM
2 votes:
In contrast to the "I don't recall" defense, which instead of meaning "I'm guilty of war crimes and treason" (like most libtards would argue) really means "Freedom Bootstraps America".
2013-10-31 09:09:42 AM
2 votes:
Cause this is her United States of Whatever!
2013-10-31 05:57:35 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: I've seen my fair share of dubious logic

I always did wonder if you even read your own posts.  Good to know

I just left that one lying they on the side of the road. If you're gonna make roadkill stew at least add a garnish


Whatever.

you know it was funny
2013-10-31 04:39:25 PM
1 votes:

karnal: ikanreed: Ok that was too much to hope for.  I should've left it at "whatever," which was my first instinct.

Which leads back to the original point I had.  They will keep beating the drum.  If you engage them on the level they're demanding you do, they'll inanely call you wrong, and nothing will be achieved.

So, cheers to "whatever" and its power to deal with "Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi" types.


You're just an ostrich looking for a hole to stick your head in - ignore Benghazi, ignore illegal wire taping, ignore IRS targeting certain groups, just ignore what is happening.


It would be appropriate that you'd cite a myth to describe my opinion of a pair of myths but congratulations on guessing wrong on my opinion of domestic wiretapping(which, by the way, is a problem because it's legal).

Alternatively: "whatever, idiot".
2013-10-31 12:57:28 PM
1 votes:
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2013-10-31 12:35:32 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.


Why don't you go ahead and call us when the government takes over health care and not something completely different like say, insurance.  K?
2013-10-31 12:04:37 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.


Wait, so you're saying as time goes by, the past doesn't change?  Crap, karnal, now what do we do?
2013-10-31 11:44:30 AM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Subby, "Whatever" is also used when you realize that NO amount of reality based dialogue will convince the retard that's asking stupid questions that the answer you are giving is actually 100% fact based.

IN other words, she used it exactly right. She knew she was dealing with King Dumbass of Derp Mountain, and was done talking to his completely useless ass...


I like that
2013-10-31 11:26:41 AM
1 votes:
Dear republicans: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE OUTRAGED IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TAKE ANY ACTION TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM.

That is all.
2013-10-31 11:18:10 AM
1 votes:

kbronsito: Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments. I think this is one of those cases.


Point of order: "whatever" is the response you use when you're giving up on arguing, but whether it means  you've lost, or  they've lost and they're too dumb or willfully blind to realize it, needs to be gauged on a case-by-case basis. I agree in this case it's the latter.
2013-10-31 11:16:34 AM
1 votes:
FTA:
1. Sebelius said she bears responsibility for the website and apologized.
2. Harper repeatedly asked whether President Barack Obama bears ultimate responsibility.

Seems like less of a "I am wrong, but dont want to admit it" than a "look, I've answered your question, and you keep asking the same damned question over and over again, so, yeah, whatever you want the answer to be. Happy? Now STFU."

Once again, looking to attack Obama as if he was personally responsible for coding the site.

Also: what the fark is with politicians and the constant search for "who bears ultimate responsibility" for things? Is that all politics is: looking for someone to blame? As opposed to, you know, just farking fixing shiat and moving on.
2013-10-31 11:04:08 AM
1 votes:

kbronsito: Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments. I think this is one of those cases. She could have explained the nuance that the president is ultimately in charge of the government but doesn't micro-manage IT projects but that would have been a waste of everyone's time. Smart people already know... republicans either don't understand or will pretend they don't.



I know that when the sales team asks us why we are behind schedule that I think maybe they should stop interfering with new scope items on existing projects.   But the CEO does not care about any of that, he delegates that stuff down.
2013-10-31 11:03:20 AM
1 votes:
And who does the President answer to?  Who does he work for?  The American People that's who.  So ultimately it's our fault, right?

Whatever.

I'm just kiddin, I like the way that guy thinks.  Any mistake by anyone in a company ever is ultimately the fault of the CEO.  Let's start gettin some CEO's fired.
2013-10-31 10:59:35 AM
1 votes:
Her pained response reminds me of something I read recently: "When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful & difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid. "
2013-10-31 10:43:38 AM
1 votes:
She should've said, "Bless your heart."
MFK
2013-10-31 10:42:02 AM
1 votes:
so initial projections turned out to be correct?

House Republicans have no interest in anything other than trying to smear Obama instead of actually getting to the bottom of why something isn't working and trying to rectify it?

I'm shocked by this turn of events.
2013-10-31 10:41:05 AM
1 votes:

karnal: Soon after Obama took office, didn't he pledged that his administrated would cut the deficit in half?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say if you like the healthcare plan you have, you can keep it?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say: "No more Illegal Wire Tapping of American Citizens"?

-Whatever

Didn't he also say he would
1. Make government open and transparent
2. Make it "Impossible" for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out)
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
6. You'll know what's in it (Republican Senators didn't know)
7. We will put every pork barrel project online


-Whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever whatever


I'm never voting for that guy again.
2013-10-31 10:38:15 AM
1 votes:

James!: Or, "I have so little respect for your point of view that I can no longer muster the energy required to tell you how stupid you are".


Psychology jargon terms include "intellectual disengagement", "selective exposure", and (end of) "message scrutiny".

kbronsito: Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments.


Most generally, it would seem to be a response indicating the point when person A says something that causes person B gives up all hope there is any identifiable sequence of premises presentable to lead person A to infer the concluding propostitions that person B prefers (and vice versa), leaving the best ROI for person B to be waiting for person A to drop dead and/or some unexpected miracle to occur. This may be because of deficiency in the set of shared premises, in the inferential capabilities of person A, in the inferential capabilities of person B, or the communications medium between them.

Spending your time and effort trying to teach the horse to sing is only useful when you're lacking better alternatives for them.
2013-10-31 10:30:24 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.


They farked it all up, their entire script relied on her playing a blame game.

Sebelius: "Access to HealthCare.gov has been a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans," she said in her opening statement. "So let me say directly to these Americans: You deserve better. I apologize. I'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. And I'm committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site."

Blackburn: "You're now blaming it on the contractors and saying it's Verizon's fault,"

Wha? They just ran with what their aides wrote on index cards, it didn't matter what Sebelius said.
2013-10-31 10:27:02 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.


Hahaha - Warren would spank them, then hand them their burning-red asses.
2013-10-31 10:26:54 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.


I don't think that would work out for them quite like you think it might.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope
2013-10-31 10:25:46 AM
1 votes:
Harper repeatedly asked whether President Barack Obama bears ultimate responsibility

What an asshole.  Yes, ultimately he IS responsible for everything happening on his watch, but he really has better things to do than review code.  Its called delegation of power and trust in the people you work with.
2013-10-31 10:14:36 AM
1 votes:
Mmmhmm - just like the president of a college is ultimately responsible for the crappy class given by a part-time instructor who was hired by a department chair.
2013-10-31 10:14:23 AM
1 votes:
well I'm glad we got this petty shiat accomplished.
2013-10-31 10:13:00 AM
1 votes:
That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.
 
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