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2013-10-31 12:37:18 PM

SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.


Because clearly the Director of Health and Human Services is merely a random valley girl.  It sucks for us as a country that she refused to accept responsibility.  And even worse, she ended the press conference without answering any other questions.

/somehow I'm glad the trolls are back
 
2013-10-31 12:46:41 PM

Cletus C.: joonyer: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.

That wasn't "on the ropes". It was "I'm dumber for having this exchange with you". Much how I feel about this post.

Oh, questions designed to get her to put the blame on the president? No, that wasn't "on the ropes." Just partisan b.s. The whole thing about having to account for the ACA launch failures was the on the ropes part.

She's clinging to her job. On the ropes, as it were.


Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
 
2013-10-31 12:49:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: lennavan: HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.

Wait, so you're saying as time goes by, the past doesn't change?  Crap, karnal, now what do we do?

Crap, now I have to go apologize to the auto mechanic for blaming him for my accident after I took it in to be repaired.


Yes, you might. Insurance companies investigate that sort of thing all the time.

So do political scientists, philosophers who study ethics, and economists.
 
2013-10-31 12:57:28 PM
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2013-10-31 12:59:35 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.

What was taken over? And what, besides the website, went wrong?


What was taken over?  Everyone's healthcare was taken over, that's what.  Now we got incompetent and irresponsible government commissars making healthcare plans for everyone.  We got lies and broken promises about keeping your plan if you like it and keeping your doctor.  We got soaring premiums and soaring deductibles.  And there is no reason to think that the gross bureaucratic incompetence behind the website snafu will be limited to the website.  We can expect that same level of incompetence at every level of Obamacare.  That's because nobody will take responsibility.  When people ask their government, who is responsible for this mess, they get valley-girl sass:  Whatever.
 
2013-10-31 01:03:05 PM

SkinnyHead: What was taken over?  Everyone's healthcare was taken over, that's what.  Now we got incompetent and irresponsible government commissars making healthcare plans for everyone


Who offers the healthplans? Are you sure that it's "government commisars" and not "Kaiser Permanente"? I think you might be confused.

SkinnyHead: We got soaring premiums and soaring deductibles.


Are you sure about that? Because most people's plans are becoming  more affordable, not less.

SkinnyHead: We can expect that same level of incompetence at every level of Obamacare.


There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?
 
2013-10-31 01:04:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

Can you name one thing that Obama has blamed on Bush that wasn't Bush's fault? One thing. Please. I'm begging you. Just name one thing.


Bush is Obama's Katrina.

/got nuthin'
 
2013-10-31 01:08:31 PM

The Onion is prophetic: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

Can you name one thing that Obama has blamed on Bush that wasn't Bush's fault? One thing. Please. I'm begging you. Just name one thing.

Bush is Obama's Katrina.

/got nuthin'


You'll notice that he never came back after that. Trolls don't like when they have to defend their crap talking points.
 
2013-10-31 01:08:44 PM
Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.
 
2013-10-31 01:10:11 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.

What was taken over? And what, besides the website, went wrong?

What was taken over?  Everyone's healthcare was taken over, that's what.  Now we got incompetent and irresponsible government commissars making healthcare plans for everyone.  We got lies and broken promises about keeping your plan if you like it and keeping your doctor.  We got soaring premiums and soaring deductibles.  And there is no reason to think that the gross bureaucratic incompetence behind the website snafu will be limited to the website.  We can expect that same level of incompetence at every level of Obamacare.  That's because nobody will take responsibility.  When people ask their government, who is responsible for this mess, they get valley-girl sass:  Whatever.


Neither healthcare delivery nor the insurance industry have been "taken over by the government".

Both of these institutions are still in private hands, the only difference is that the ACA has essentially introduced regulations that prevent them from considering their profit motive when making decisions about your care.
 
2013-10-31 01:14:10 PM

incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.


Or the Feds just farked up a website. It still doesn't work properly so the mass traffic excuse from the initial launch doesn't really fly
 
2013-10-31 01:18:23 PM

skullkrusher: Or the Feds just farked up a website. It still doesn't work properly so the mass traffic excuse from the initial launch doesn't really fly


Yep. They bungled a website. A website that shouldn't have needed to exist to be bungleable. It's not exclusive.

I kind of wonder how long the site's gonna be around, anyway. I think most of the laggard states will jump on board within a couple of years, and then all this hand-wringing we're going through over a website will seem silly.
 
2013-10-31 01:19:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

Can you name one thing that Obama has blamed on Bush that wasn't Bush's fault? One thing. Please. I'm begging you. Just name one thing.


He's still blaming Bush for the deficit....this after adding almost 6 trillion to it himself.  Back in July he was blaming Bush on the economy....give him time and it will be Bush's fault that his Obamacare website sucks.
 
2013-10-31 01:22:35 PM

karnal: He's still blaming Bush for the deficit..


Is he? In what speech or paper is he blaming Bush for the 2013 budget deficit?
 
2013-10-31 01:23:16 PM

karnal: Back in July he was blaming Bush on the economy..


Are you saying that in no way was Bush responsible for the economic crash of 2008?
 
2013-10-31 01:24:48 PM

incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.


This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?
 
2013-10-31 01:28:33 PM

Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?


Don't 35 states have GOP governors? Isn't the decision to expand medicare up to the governor of said state?
 
2013-10-31 01:29:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Back in July he was blaming Bush on the economy..

Are you saying that in no way was Bush responsible for the economic crash of 2008?


Not solely - share the blame with The Federal Reserve, the SEC (for they turned a blind eye and refused to investigate fraud), Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America.
Plus, he had a Democrat Congress who orders the spending bills.... also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.
 
2013-10-31 01:30:23 PM

incendi: skullkrusher: Or the Feds just farked up a website. It still doesn't work properly so the mass traffic excuse from the initial launch doesn't really fly

Yep. They bungled a website. A website that shouldn't have needed to exist to be bungleable. It's not exclusive.

I kind of wonder how long the site's gonna be around, anyway. I think most of the laggard states will jump on board within a couple of years, and then all this hand-wringing we're going through over a website will seem silly.


It's not limited to the website itself. My state exchange (NY) is not getting data from the Feds. Only 13 states have their own exchanges at the moment and they aren't all blue nor are all the ones without all red. Presumably they'll have it fixed soon but they knew for months how many states would have their own portals and should've planned accordingly. Crashing from overwhelming traffic at first is not excusable but it is at least understandable. The whole infrastructure is apparently riddled with bugs and that is much less understandable
 
2013-10-31 01:31:02 PM

karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.


You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.
 
2013-10-31 01:32:54 PM

ArcadianRefugee: FTA:
1. Sebelius said she bears responsibility for the website and apologized.
2. Harper repeatedly asked whether President Barack Obama bears ultimate responsibility.

Seems like less of a "I am wrong, but dont want to admit it" than a "look, I've answered your question, and you keep asking the same damned question over and over again, so, yeah, whatever you want the answer to be. Happy? Now STFU."

Once again, looking to attack Obama as if he was personally responsible for coding the site.

Also: what the fark is with politicians and the constant search for "who bears ultimate responsibility" for things? Is that all politics is: looking for someone to blame? As opposed to, you know, just farking fixing shiat and moving on.


It's a very long and tedious search for Republicans when the true answer (the one in the mirror) isn't acceptable to them.
 
2013-10-31 01:33:01 PM
Like, whatevs, libtards.
 
2013-10-31 01:34:16 PM

karnal: he had a Democrat Congress who orders the spending bills


dims
 
2013-10-31 01:40:37 PM

cameroncrazy1984: There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?


At each level, Obamacare gets another 1D6 hit points and may select two spells from the available spell list -OR- may select two minor psionic abilities from the Sensitive and Active categories (excluding Telekinesis).  The choice between magic or psionics is made on a level by level basis.

At levels 2, 5, and 9, Obamacare selects three additional secondary skills.  These skills start at level 1 proficiency.

At level 2, Obamacare gains +2 attacks per round, +1 strike, dodge and parry, and acquires the Drop Kick attack (2d8 damage, counts as two attacks).
 
2013-10-31 01:41:23 PM

incendi: Rep. Greg Harper: The president ultimately is responsible. While I think it's great that you're a team player and you're taking responsibility, it is the president's ultimate responsibility, correct?

Sebelius: Um... You clearly... Uh... Whatever. Yes he is the president. Yes he is responsible for government programs.

Yeah, that question got precisely the sort of answer it deserved.


And we're done. The fun part is that, in a matter of weeks, Congress will be grinding this ax long after the web site's done its job (unlike, well, Congress.)
 
2013-10-31 01:41:42 PM

Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?


Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.
 
2013-10-31 01:43:21 PM
palelizard: At level 2, Obamacare gains +2 attacks per round, +1 strike, dodge and parry, and acquires the Drop Kick attack (2d8 damage, counts as two attacks).

Jesus Christ, three attacks at level two? It's a goddamn death panel all on its lonesome.
 
2013-10-31 01:43:48 PM

palelizard: cameroncrazy1984: There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?

At each level, Obamacare gets another 1D6 hit points and may select two spells from the available spell list -OR- may select two minor psionic abilities from the Sensitive and Active categories (excluding Telekinesis).  The choice between magic or psionics is made on a level by level basis.

At levels 2, 5, and 9, Obamacare selects three additional secondary skills.  These skills start at level 1 proficiency.

At level 2, Obamacare gains +2 attacks per round, +1 strike, dodge and parry, and acquires the Drop Kick attack (2d8 damage, counts as two attacks).


really though you want to only take a 2 splash of obamacare as a diversion before going 10 muslim
 
2013-10-31 01:45:03 PM

palelizard: cameroncrazy1984: There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?

At each level, Obamacare gets another 1D6 hit points and may select two spells from the available spell list -OR- may select two minor psionic abilities from the Sensitive and Active categories (excluding Telekinesis).  The choice between magic or psionics is made on a level by level basis.

At levels 2, 5, and 9, Obamacare selects three additional secondary skills.  These skills start at level 1 proficiency.

At level 2, Obamacare gains +2 attacks per round, +1 strike, dodge and parry, and acquires the Drop Kick attack (2d8 damage, counts as two attacks).


That was some fine nerdery right there
 
2013-10-31 01:45:29 PM

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.



If you think Barney Frank had nothing to do with the housing bubble that makes you either stupid or very naive ....his fingerprints are all over that fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape and when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not facing any kind of financial crisis.
 
2013-10-31 01:47:41 PM

lockers: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.


Obamacarefacts.com/state-health-insurance-exchange.php has a map. I might've miscounted some of those crappy little New England states
 
2013-10-31 01:50:07 PM

skullkrusher: It's not limited to the website itself. My state exchange (NY) is not getting data from the Feds. Only 13 states have their own exchanges at the moment and they aren't all blue nor are all the ones without all red. Presumably they'll have it fixed soon but they knew for months how many states would have their own portals and should've planned accordingly. Crashing from overwhelming traffic at first is not excusable but it is at least understandable. The whole infrastructure is apparently riddled with bugs and that is much less understandable


I agree there are problems. A lot of government IT is shoddy. Several of the websites I use for work are down at the moment, in fact. It's not particularly surprising to me that the federal exchange site has issues. They'll get worked out, eventually.

Ideally, though, the federal site should have been some happy clappy informational bullshiat and links to 50 state exchanges. Now, some of those would have been broken at launch too, I'm sure. Might even have been defects at the federal level breaking them, like with your state's issue right now. Even if the federal website launch had gone flawlessly, it doesn't change the fact that the refusal to set up exchanges was a Republican plan to break the system, largely based on some iffy ideas about the wording of the law not allowing the credits/subsidies to be used on a federal site.

That the implementation of the site also happened to be a failure is a happy coincidence for them, but the Feds wouldn't have had something major to bungle if Freedomworks and their ilk hadn't been doing everything they could possibly do to sabotage the law in the first place.
 
2013-10-31 01:53:26 PM

skullkrusher: lockers: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.

Obamacarefacts.com/state-health-insurance-exchange.php has a map. I might've miscounted some of those crappy little New England states


You want me to work for my facts? Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-10-31 01:54:25 PM

lockers: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.


I counted five, with one independent.
 
2013-10-31 01:58:55 PM

skullkrusher: snipp


And yes, before we get to that point, it would also be entirely fair to say that we wouldn't be discussing the failure of the federal site if it had been implemented perfectly, or at least extremely well. Anything less than "pretty goddamned good" and they'd all be pitching the same fit they are now anyway.
 
2013-10-31 01:59:02 PM

karnal: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.


If you think Barney Frank had nothing to do with the housing bubble that makes you either stupid or very naive ....his fingerprints are all over that fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape and when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not facing any kind of financial crisis.


Yes, sweetie. One guy caused it all. And just because he was gay! It totes had nothing to do with anything else. Just the power of one gay guy.
 
2013-10-31 02:05:44 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.


If you think Barney Frank had nothing to do with the housing bubble that makes you either stupid or very naive ....his fingerprints are all over that fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape and when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not facing any kind of financial crisis.

Yes, sweetie. One guy caused it all. And just because he was gay! It totes had nothing to do with anything else. Just the power of one gay guy.


Seems reading comprehension is one of your problems, sweetie.  Look again at what I wrote....I spread the blame between Bush, The Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Congress....but turn this into a gay thing if you feel the need, you're only embarrassing yourself.
 
2013-10-31 02:10:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Who offers the healthplans? Are you sure that it's "government commisars" and not "Kaiser Permanente"? I think you might be confused.


The individual mandate requires everyone to have a healthplan and government commissars dictate the terms of those plans.  That's government takeover of healthcare.

Are you sure about that? Because most people's plans are becoming  more affordable, not less.

Nobody is sure about anything having to do with Obamacare, especially when you got a dishonest government pushing it.  Studies have shown that average rates will increase significantly in most states.

There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?

Can you?  There are about 10,000 pages of fine print Obamacare regulations written by incompetent bureaucrats dictating every level of healthcare.
 
2013-10-31 02:11:58 PM
Why can't we just put the fecking republicans in time out, just like you would the misbehaving, obstreperous toddler that they are imitating?

I would suggest spanking them, but I think far too many of them would like that...

Whatever.
 
2013-10-31 02:20:29 PM

Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?


CBS News. Wasn't that the news agency that reported about that woman who had a massive insurance rate hike because of the ACA, and the story was so much bullshiat even Fox News called them out on it?
 
2013-10-31 02:21:54 PM

lockers: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.


You have to consider state legislatures too. Governors can't set up exchanges all by themselves.
 
2013-10-31 02:23:21 PM

LoneWolf343: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

CBS News. Wasn't that the news agency that reported about that woman who had a massive insurance rate hike because of the ACA, and the story was so much bullshiat even Fox News called them out on it?


I'll take your word on that. So, this story is wrong too. or are are we waiting for Fox to call them out?
 
2013-10-31 02:30:44 PM

skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)


Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.
 
2013-10-31 02:32:20 PM
Not really, but okay.
 
2013-10-31 02:34:47 PM

karnal: Soon after Obama took office, didn't he pledged that his administrated would cut the deficit in half?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say if you like the healthcare plan you have, you can keep it?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say: "No more Illegal Wire Tapping of American Citizens"?

-Whatever

Didn't he also say he would
1. Make government open and transparent
2. Make it "Impossible" for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out)
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
6. You'll know what's in it (Republican Senators didn't know)
7. We will put every pork barrel project online


-Whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever whatever


Wow - you must be the most racist person on FARK with a post like that.  We get it, he's blah.
 
2013-10-31 02:38:14 PM

karnal: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.


If you think Barney Frank had nothing to do with the housing bubble that makes you either stupid or very naive ....his fingerprints are all over that fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape and when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not facing any kind of financial crisis.

Yes, sweetie. One guy caused it all. And just because he was gay! It totes had nothing to do with anything else. Just the power of one gay guy.

Seems reading comprehension is one of your problems, sweetie.  Look again at what I wrote....I spread the blame between Bush, The Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Congress....but turn this into a gay thing if you feel the need, you're only embarrassing yourself.


I fail to see where you mentioned any blame to the Bush administration much less any of those financial institutions.....In fact you were stating that the Bush administration tried to impose more restrictions, but somehow Barney Frank wouldn't let him.
 
2013-10-31 02:38:39 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: Who offers the healthplans? Are you sure that it's "government commisars" and not "Kaiser Permanente"? I think you might be confused.

The individual mandate requires everyone to have a healthplan and government commissars dictate the minimum terms of those plans.  That's government takeover of healthcare.

Are you sure about that? Because most people's plans are becoming  more affordable, not less.

Nobody is sure about anything having to do with Obamacare, especially when you got a dishonest government pushing it.  Studies have shown that average rates will increase significantly in most states that do not opt-in for government subsidies.

There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?

Can you?  There are about 10,000 pages of fine print Obamacare regulations written by incompetent bureaucrats dictating every level of healthcare.


So...no, you can't?
 
2013-10-31 02:39:06 PM

ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.


You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...
 
2013-10-31 02:42:46 PM

karnal: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Back in July he was blaming Bush on the economy..

Are you saying that in no way was Bush responsible for the economic crash of 2008?

Not solely - share the blame with The Federal Reserve, the SEC (for they turned a blind eye and refused to investigate fraud), Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America.
Plus, he had a Democrat Congress who orders the spending bills.... also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.


Idiot - I fail to see where you mentioned any blame to the Bush administration much less any of those financial institutions.


Never mind.  Just saw this above.
 
2013-10-31 02:45:21 PM

GanjSmokr: ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.

You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...


That's different somehow.
 
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