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(Time)   Whatever /(h)wətˈevər - Used in an argument to admit that you are wrong without admitting it so the argument is over   (swampland.time.com) divider line 176
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2013-10-31 09:09:42 AM  
Cause this is her United States of Whatever!
 
2013-10-31 09:15:02 AM  
Rep. Greg Harper: The president ultimately is responsible. While I think it's great that you're a team player and you're taking responsibility, it is the president's ultimate responsibility, correct?

Sebelius: Um... You clearly... Uh... Whatever. Yes he is the president. Yes he is responsible for government programs.


Yeah, that question got precisely the sort of answer it deserved.
 
2013-10-31 09:59:39 AM  
Yeah, right
 
2013-10-31 09:59:43 AM  
A guy that used to work for me loved saying "Whatever" when he'd get called out for coming in late, farking up projects, being a general asstard.

One day I told him that "people say 'whatever' when they want to say 'Fark you' but don't have the balls to do it."

You'll note that he *used* to work for me.
 
2013-10-31 10:03:46 AM  
Or, "I have so little respect for your point of view that I can no longer muster the energy required to tell you how stupid you are".
 
2013-10-31 10:13:00 AM  
That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.
 
2013-10-31 10:14:23 AM  
well I'm glad we got this petty shiat accomplished.
 
2013-10-31 10:14:36 AM  
Mmmhmm - just like the president of a college is ultimately responsible for the crappy class given by a part-time instructor who was hired by a department chair.
 
2013-10-31 10:15:21 AM  
In contrast to the "I don't recall" defense, which instead of meaning "I'm guilty of war crimes and treason" (like most libtards would argue) really means "Freedom Bootstraps America".
 
2013-10-31 10:16:39 AM  
Today, shocks reverberated around Washington as HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius blatantly disrespected the House Energy & Commerce Committee chairman by refusing to answer a question and outright mocking him. "Are you serious? Is that a serious question? I won't even dignify that with a response," she exclaimed, shaking her head. She was responding to a question by Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI) who held up a picture of President Obama and asked, "Is THIS MAN, barack HUSSINSAINE sotero supposedly the president, your boss?" Pundits are stunned by Sebelius' disrespect and a senior staffer has suggested the impeachment process may have already begun.
 
2013-10-31 10:17:08 AM  
Whatever minger
 
2013-10-31 10:18:33 AM  
Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments. I think this is one of those cases. She could have explained the nuance that the president is ultimately in charge of the government but doesn't micro-manage IT projects but that would have been a waste of everyone's time. Smart people already know... republicans either don't understand or will pretend they don't.

In fact, all responses to GOP members of congress by anyone who reads at or above a 6th grade level, at any hearings, should just be replaced with "whatever" from now on.
 
2013-10-31 10:18:43 AM  
You gonna cry about it with another shutdown?
 
2013-10-31 10:19:21 AM  

incendi: Yeah, that question got precisely the sort of answer it deserved.


I would have went with a middle finger, but that's just me.
 
2013-10-31 10:20:29 AM  

kbronsito: Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments. I think this is one of those cases. She could have explained the nuance that the president is ultimately in charge of the government but doesn't micro-manage IT projects but that would have been a waste of everyone's time. Smart people already know... republicans either don't understand or will pretend they don't.

In fact, all responses to GOP members of congress by anyone who reads at or above a 6th grade level, at any hearings, should just be replaced with "whatever" from now on.


Having seen the exchange, this is exactly what happened.
 
2013-10-31 10:22:10 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.


I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.
 
2013-10-31 10:25:12 AM  
Websitegateghazi is somehow even more tiring than Coveragelossghazigate.
 
2013-10-31 10:25:46 AM  
Harper repeatedly asked whether President Barack Obama bears ultimate responsibility

What an asshole.  Yes, ultimately he IS responsible for everything happening on his watch, but he really has better things to do than review code.  Its called delegation of power and trust in the people you work with.
 
2013-10-31 10:26:54 AM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.


I don't think that would work out for them quite like you think it might.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope
 
2013-10-31 10:27:02 AM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.


Hahaha - Warren would spank them, then hand them their burning-red asses.
 
2013-10-31 10:27:17 AM  
I, for one, am also upset that neither Kathleen Sebellius nor the rest of those questioned by the Subcommittee of WAAAAHHHH! IT'S NOT FAIR!!!! made a jerking off pantomime during the questioning for the cameras.
 
2013-10-31 10:30:24 AM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.


They farked it all up, their entire script relied on her playing a blame game.

Sebelius: "Access to HealthCare.gov has been a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans," she said in her opening statement. "So let me say directly to these Americans: You deserve better. I apologize. I'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. And I'm committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site."

Blackburn: "You're now blaming it on the contractors and saying it's Verizon's fault,"

Wha? They just ran with what their aides wrote on index cards, it didn't matter what Sebelius said.
 
2013-10-31 10:30:49 AM  
So Mr. Harper is vindicated in getting someone to admit Obama is president. He's a folk hero and Dylan should write a song to honor him for generations!
 
2013-10-31 10:31:09 AM  
I use "whatever" with my wife when I don't feel like chasing her red herring.

/As opposed to her red snapper.
 
2013-10-31 10:32:35 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.

They farked it all up, their entire script relied on her playing a blame game.

Sebelius: "Access to HealthCare.gov has been a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans," she said in her opening statement. "So let me say directly to these Americans: You deserve better. I apologize. I'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. And I'm committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site."

Blackburn: "You're now blaming it on the contractors and saying it's Verizon's fault,"

Wha? They just ran with what their aides wrote on index cards, it didn't matter what Sebelius said.


Yes, it's partisan theater. It almost always is. But there's no denying Republicans are making hay with the ACA's problems. Well, there is denying but that's also partisan theater.
 
2013-10-31 10:32:38 AM  
Any respect given to congress critters is too much respect. Any article about someone disrespecting one of these morons to their face that includes outrage should be about how the person being questioned was too farking nice to one of the idiots who is ruining the country from a position of power.
 
2013-10-31 10:32:53 AM  
Well, since Obama is responsible and a little website doesn't work 100%, I think it's time to start the Impeachment process.

Who's with me boys?
 
2013-10-31 10:33:21 AM  
Whatever.
 
2013-10-31 10:34:53 AM  
"Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."
 
2013-10-31 10:34:59 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.

They farked it all up, their entire script relied on her playing a blame game.

Sebelius: "Access to HealthCare.gov has been a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans," she said in her opening statement. "So let me say directly to these Americans: You deserve better. I apologize. I'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. And I'm committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site."

Blackburn: "You're now blaming it on the contractors and saying it's Verizon's fault,"

Wha? They just ran with what their aides wrote on index cards, it didn't matter what Sebelius said.


The Republicans are the experts on accountability.
 
2013-10-31 10:37:01 AM  
Something tells me that question was going to keep being asked until he got the answer he wanted
 
2013-10-31 10:37:02 AM  
Actually, when a woman says it, it means you have roughly a week before a surprise shiat-packing.
 
2013-10-31 10:37:35 AM  

lockers: So Mr. Harper is vindicated in getting someone to admit Obama is president. He's a folk hero and Dylan should write a song to honor him for generations!


ON THE ROPES!!!
 
2013-10-31 10:38:15 AM  

James!: Or, "I have so little respect for your point of view that I can no longer muster the energy required to tell you how stupid you are".


Psychology jargon terms include "intellectual disengagement", "selective exposure", and (end of) "message scrutiny".

kbronsito: Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments.


Most generally, it would seem to be a response indicating the point when person A says something that causes person B gives up all hope there is any identifiable sequence of premises presentable to lead person A to infer the concluding propostitions that person B prefers (and vice versa), leaving the best ROI for person B to be waiting for person A to drop dead and/or some unexpected miracle to occur. This may be because of deficiency in the set of shared premises, in the inferential capabilities of person A, in the inferential capabilities of person B, or the communications medium between them.

Spending your time and effort trying to teach the horse to sing is only useful when you're lacking better alternatives for them.
 
2013-10-31 10:38:45 AM  

sprawl15: Today, shocks reverberated around Washington as HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius blatantly disrespected the House Energy & Commerce Committee chairman by refusing to answer a question and outright mocking him. "Are you serious? Is that a serious question? I won't even dignify that with a response," she exclaimed, shaking her head. She was responding to a question by Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI) who held up a picture of President Obama and asked, "Is THIS MAN, barack HUSSINSAINE sotero supposedly the president, your boss?" Pundits are stunned by Sebelius' disrespect and a senior staffer has suggested the impeachment process may have already begun.


A very Ninja-like press release you have there. Bravo!
 
2013-10-31 10:40:01 AM  
Soon after Obama took office, didn't he pledged that his administrated would cut the deficit in half?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say if you like the healthcare plan you have, you can keep it?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say: "No more Illegal Wire Tapping of American Citizens"?

-Whatever

Didn't he also say he would
1. Make government open and transparent
2. Make it "Impossible" for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out)
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
6. You'll know what's in it (Republican Senators didn't know)
7. We will put every pork barrel project online


-Whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever whatever
 
2013-10-31 10:41:05 AM  

karnal: Soon after Obama took office, didn't he pledged that his administrated would cut the deficit in half?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say if you like the healthcare plan you have, you can keep it?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say: "No more Illegal Wire Tapping of American Citizens"?

-Whatever

Didn't he also say he would
1. Make government open and transparent
2. Make it "Impossible" for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out)
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
6. You'll know what's in it (Republican Senators didn't know)
7. We will put every pork barrel project online


-Whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever whatever


I'm never voting for that guy again.
 
2013-10-31 10:41:07 AM  
I also enjoy "Let's agree to disagree" which is a short cut for "This argument is so pointless and circular that I need to put an end to it before I lose all respect for you".
 
2013-10-31 10:41:08 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.

They farked it all up, their entire script relied on her playing a blame game.

Sebelius: "Access to HealthCare.gov has been a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans," she said in her opening statement. "So let me say directly to these Americans: You deserve better. I apologize. I'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. And I'm committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site."

Blackburn: "You're now blaming it on the contractors and saying it's Verizon's fault,"

Wha? They just ran with what their aides wrote on index cards, it didn't matter what Sebelius said.

The Republicans are the experts on accountability.


Namely that if you affix blame frequently enough, it sticks in the minds of their base.
 
2013-10-31 10:41:19 AM  
"Fine. You want me to say it was President Obama's fault? Sure, it's his fault, whatever. Like any of this matters at all, beyond providing all the news channels with content for a couple days. You're standing up here for the cameras harumphing and posing, for a bunch of people back home that already average 1.5 Anti-Obama bumper stickers per car. Do you think that if they all rabble-rabble just a bit louder, that will somehow repeal Obamacare? So yeah, go sound your fury as much as you want. I'll end up taking the fall for this, which is fine because I've got my pick of positions waiting for me at various universities, drug companies, and law firms. And in 18 months when this is running smoother and people are actually being helped, you can tell them all how you single-handedly saved this program from my incompetence, and how it was really a Republican idea to begin with, anyway. Just do me a favor and try not to look like such a smug asshole."
 
MFK
2013-10-31 10:42:02 AM  
so initial projections turned out to be correct?

House Republicans have no interest in anything other than trying to smear Obama instead of actually getting to the bottom of why something isn't working and trying to rectify it?

I'm shocked by this turn of events.
 
2013-10-31 10:43:03 AM  
Who cares? Really. We all know the glitches will be fixed and Obamacare will go into effect. "Whatever" is a pretty polite response, if you ask me.
 
2013-10-31 10:43:38 AM  
She should've said, "Bless your heart."
 
2013-10-31 10:44:00 AM  
I heard an interesting idea yesterday....

Though Sebelius is taking the blame, she likely won't be allowed to resign because Obama wouldn't be able to get another person to lead the Dept of HHS due to republican nomination blocking.
 
2013-10-31 10:44:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: karnal: Soon after Obama took office, didn't he pledged that his administrated would cut the deficit in half?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say if you like the healthcare plan you have, you can keep it?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say: "No more Illegal Wire Tapping of American Citizens"?

-Whatever

Didn't he also say he would
1. Make government open and transparent
2. Make it "Impossible" for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out)
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
6. You'll know what's in it (Republican Senators didn't know)
7. We will put every pork barrel project online


-Whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever whatever

I'm never voting for that guy again.


Whatever
 
2013-10-31 10:45:05 AM  

karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)


It's not Obama's fault they can't read.
 
2013-10-31 10:45:18 AM  

verbaltoxin: She should've said, "Bless your heart."


I'm pretty sure that may even merit a "Bless your precious heart."
 
2013-10-31 10:45:24 AM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.

They farked it all up, their entire script relied on her playing a blame game.

Sebelius: "Access to HealthCare.gov has been a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans," she said in her opening statement. "So let me say directly to these Americans: You deserve better. I apologize. I'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. And I'm committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site."

Blackburn: "You're now blaming it on the contractors and saying it's Verizon's fault,"

Wha? They just ran with what their aides wrote on index cards, it didn't matter what Sebelius said.

Yes, it's partisan theater. It almost always is. But there's no denying Republicans are making hay with the ACA's problems. Well, there is denying but that's also partisan theater.


If by "making hay" you mean that in the new NBC/WSJ poll their unfavorable rating went up again.
 
2013-10-31 10:46:06 AM  

incendi: verbaltoxin: She should've said, "Bless your heart."

I'm pretty sure that may even merit a "Bless your precious heart."


I miss Ann Richards
 
2013-10-31 10:46:17 AM  
All of their made up bullshiat scandals should be responded to like that...

"Obama eats arugula and uses dijon mustard!!"

"whatever"

"Obama has a fake berf certifcate!!"

"whatever"

"Benghazi!!!"

"whatever"

"The ACA website isn't working properly this means the whole legislation is a failure!!!"

"whatever"
 
2013-10-31 10:47:05 AM  
Congress passed the ACA, therefore every member of Congress bears responsibility for the website's failure. If they thought it would be so terrible a law, they should have repealed it or amended it. Congress has had ample opportunity to do exactly that for the past couple of years, but they didn't do so.
 
2013-10-31 10:47:26 AM  

James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.


it is society's fault, obviously.
 
2013-10-31 10:49:23 AM  
I'm waiting for the day when someone tells a Republican Congressman to go f*ck himself in CSPAN. Eventually it's going to get to that point.
 
2013-10-31 10:50:35 AM  

Headso: All of their made up bullshiat scandals should be responded to like that...

"Benghazi!!!"

"whatever"


Why do you hate Americans so much?
 
2013-10-31 10:50:37 AM  
Well if anyone knows about being inefficient and unable to accomplish something it is Congress.
 
2013-10-31 10:51:10 AM  

Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.


That wasn't "on the ropes". It was "I'm dumber for having this exchange with you". Much how I feel about this post.
 
2013-10-31 10:51:56 AM  

karnal: Headso: All of their made up bullshiat scandals should be responded to like that...

"Benghazi!!!"

"whatever"

Why do you hate Americans so much?


"whatever"
 
2013-10-31 10:52:51 AM  

karnal: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

it is society's fault, obviously.


True.
 
2013-10-31 10:52:53 AM  
www.examiner.com
It's not like the Republicans in Congress have ever been anything but respectful to this administration.
 
2013-10-31 10:53:05 AM  

karnal: Headso: All of their made up bullshiat scandals should be responded to like that...

"Benghazi!!!"

"whatever"

Why do you hate Americans so much?


I only hate confederates, personally.
 
2013-10-31 10:57:20 AM  

incendi: Rep. Greg Harper: The president ultimately is responsible. While I think it's great that you're a team player and you're taking responsibility, it is the president's ultimate responsibility, correct?

Sebelius: Um... You clearly... Uh... Whatever. Yes he is the president. Yes he is responsible for government programs.


Yeah, that question got precisely the sort of answer it deserved.


One day, it will be illegal to criticize the great messiah. That way you and your ilk will not have to cry butt-hurt tears on numerous Fark threads.
 
2013-10-31 10:57:27 AM  
WHAT DID THEY KNOW AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT
 
2013-10-31 10:59:17 AM  

James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.


Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.
 
2013-10-31 10:59:35 AM  
Her pained response reminds me of something I read recently: "When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful & difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid. "
 
2013-10-31 11:00:30 AM  

karnal: Headso: All of their made up bullshiat scandals should be responded to like that...

"Benghazi!!!"

"whatever"

Why do you hate Americans so much?


Bless your heart.  You do try so very hard.
 
2013-10-31 11:00:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: karnal: Headso: All of their made up bullshiat scandals should be responded to like that...

"Benghazi!!!"

"whatever"

Why do you hate Americans so much?

I only hate confederates, personally.


Confederate Americans?  Hmmm....ok.  Fair enough.
 
2013-10-31 11:01:24 AM  
It is also something you say to clearly insane people to keep them from realizing you just dissed them and then attack you with sharp objects.   This is what she did.
If I were interviewed by the batshiat insane members of the GOP I would find it harder to not call them out on their stupidity.
 
2013-10-31 11:01:54 AM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-10-31 11:03:13 AM  
She should have followed up with:

Alright, look, you've had your little dog and pony show for C-SPAN, but I'm leaving. This is absurd. I came, I answered all of your questions no matter how inane, poorly-researched or based on ancient fax jokes they were. I have taken responsibility for my role and was, yes, eventually compelled by your brilliant cross-examination to admit that Barack Obama is the President. I even had our staff prepare a document with important takeaways from this project so that we can improve large public system rollouts like this in the future. But you know what? I don't work for you, and I don't have to sit here listening to this nonsense. So, with all due respect: What. The fark. Ever.
 
2013-10-31 11:03:20 AM  
And who does the President answer to?  Who does he work for?  The American People that's who.  So ultimately it's our fault, right?

Whatever.

I'm just kiddin, I like the way that guy thinks.  Any mistake by anyone in a company ever is ultimately the fault of the CEO.  Let's start gettin some CEO's fired.
 
2013-10-31 11:03:49 AM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-31 11:04:08 AM  

kbronsito: Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments. I think this is one of those cases. She could have explained the nuance that the president is ultimately in charge of the government but doesn't micro-manage IT projects but that would have been a waste of everyone's time. Smart people already know... republicans either don't understand or will pretend they don't.



I know that when the sales team asks us why we are behind schedule that I think maybe they should stop interfering with new scope items on existing projects.   But the CEO does not care about any of that, he delegates that stuff down.
 
2013-10-31 11:06:06 AM  
eclecticboogaloo.typepad.com
 
2013-10-31 11:09:13 AM  

lennavan: And who does the President answer to? Who does he work for? The American People that's who. So ultimately it's our fault, right?


You joke, but that's exactly the point that the GOP is trying to make.  Everything that goes wrong because we voted for a black Democrat needs to be smeared in our faces to teach us a lesson.  Come up with ideas that fix the problem or lead to a more effective solution?  Why they hell would they? Companies holding onto massive amounts of cash profit during a recession while cutting employees and benefits?  Why should they do their part to help the economy?  That wouldn't teach us.
 
2013-10-31 11:15:39 AM  

incendi: verbaltoxin: She should've said, "Bless your heart."

I'm pretty sure that may even merit a "Bless your precious heart."


I still laugh out loud when I remember the day my cousin translated "bless your heart" from Oklahoman to American English.

/"you ignorant dumbass"
 
2013-10-31 11:16:34 AM  
FTA:
1. Sebelius said she bears responsibility for the website and apologized.
2. Harper repeatedly asked whether President Barack Obama bears ultimate responsibility.

Seems like less of a "I am wrong, but dont want to admit it" than a "look, I've answered your question, and you keep asking the same damned question over and over again, so, yeah, whatever you want the answer to be. Happy? Now STFU."

Once again, looking to attack Obama as if he was personally responsible for coding the site.

Also: what the fark is with politicians and the constant search for "who bears ultimate responsibility" for things? Is that all politics is: looking for someone to blame? As opposed to, you know, just farking fixing shiat and moving on.
 
2013-10-31 11:18:10 AM  

kbronsito: Sometimes people use "whatever" not because they are wrong and are giving up but because the person they are having a discussion with is just too stupid to understand the arguments. I think this is one of those cases.


Point of order: "whatever" is the response you use when you're giving up on arguing, but whether it means  you've lost, or  they've lost and they're too dumb or willfully blind to realize it, needs to be gauged on a case-by-case basis. I agree in this case it's the latter.
 
2013-10-31 11:18:55 AM  

James!: Or, "I have so little respect for your point of view that I can no longer muster the energy required to tell you how stupid you are".


Yes, this one.
 
2013-10-31 11:23:33 AM  

Notabunny: Who cares? Really. We all know the glitches will be fixed and Obamacare will go into effect. "Whatever" is a pretty polite response, if you ask me.


Well it was working fine when Obama used it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/president-obama-exp la ins-healthcaregov
 
2013-10-31 11:25:36 AM  
It's the verbal equivalent of an eye roll.
 
2013-10-31 11:26:41 AM  
Dear republicans: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE OUTRAGED IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TAKE ANY ACTION TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM.

That is all.
 
2013-10-31 11:35:18 AM  
Science has proven the Party of Personal Responsibility lacks the capacity to understand the phrase "I am responsible".  It's like when you ask a kid with brain damage what he calls a black-and-white striped horse, and the kid says "Ebra."  He's incapable of understand he's wrong, because the kind of damage he's got basically creates a world in his perceptions where "Z" doesn't exist, can't exist.

This will not be the last time a parallel is drawn between the GOP and brain-damaged children.
 
Bf+
2013-10-31 11:36:38 AM  
Yawn.  It is what it is-- C'est la vie.
Study it out, I'm just sayn'
 
2013-10-31 11:42:08 AM  
Subby, "Whatever" is also used when you realize that NO amount of reality based dialogue will convince the retard that's asking stupid questions that the answer you are giving is actually 100% fact based.

IN other words, she used it exactly right. She knew she was dealing with King Dumbass of Derp Mountain, and was done talking to his completely useless ass...
 
2013-10-31 11:44:30 AM  

Mikey1969: Subby, "Whatever" is also used when you realize that NO amount of reality based dialogue will convince the retard that's asking stupid questions that the answer you are giving is actually 100% fact based.

IN other words, she used it exactly right. She knew she was dealing with King Dumbass of Derp Mountain, and was done talking to his completely useless ass...


I like that
 
2013-10-31 11:50:40 AM  
But don't you get it?  The Representative was technically right, and therefore Ted Cruz is now president, Sara Palin is the first lady, Reagan is all four heads on Mount Rushmore and 0bangbus is the guy who cleans out the hippo tank at the Nairobi Zoo.

Study. IT. OUT.
 
2013-10-31 11:57:20 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.


Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

In fact, the story goes that the president is planning to send a bill to his Democrat buddies in Congress, proposing that the San Andreas Fault be renamed "Bush's Fault."
 
2013-10-31 12:00:02 PM  

karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.


And it's entirely accurate.
 
2013-10-31 12:04:37 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.


Wait, so you're saying as time goes by, the past doesn't change?  Crap, karnal, now what do we do?
 
2013-10-31 12:04:44 PM  

karnal: Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.


Can you name one thing that Obama has blamed on Bush that wasn't Bush's fault? One thing. Please. I'm begging you. Just name one thing.
 
2013-10-31 12:05:40 PM  

lennavan: HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.

Wait, so you're saying as time goes by, the past doesn't change?  Crap, karnal, now what do we do?


Crap, now I have to go apologize to the auto mechanic for blaming him for my accident after I took it in to be repaired.
 
2013-10-31 12:06:55 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.


What's really funny is the number of Republicans that think economic and policy issues revolve in 4-year cycles that perfectly coincide with election years.

/The Great Depression?  Ended when FDR was elected.  Everything else he did had nothing to do with it.
//World War II?  Don't listen to your grandpapa, it ended the day Truman was elected.  Truman didn't have to make any hard decisions at all.
///The 2008 Recession?  Ended immediately on January 20, 2009, only to be replaced immediately with 1000 years of darkness.
 
2013-10-31 12:10:18 PM  

born_yesterday: HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.

What's really funny is the number of Republicans that think economic and policy issues revolve in 4-year cycles that perfectly coincide with election years.

/The Great Depression?  Ended when FDR was elected.  Everything else he did had nothing to do with it.
//World War II?  Don't listen to your grandpapa, it ended the day Truman was elected.  Truman didn't have to make any hard decisions at all.
///The 2008 Recession?  Ended immediately on January 20, 2009, only to be replaced immediately with 1000 years of darkness.


YOU DARKNESS, YOU BLACK - LATE NIGHT - EVIL MOTHAFARKAS - BLACK MAGIC, DARKNESS! YOU RAW... DARKNESS... YOU... DELIRIOUS... MOTHAFARKAS. YOU WAS COLD AS ICE.
 
2013-10-31 12:11:10 PM  
When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.
 
2013-10-31 12:11:22 PM  
 
2013-10-31 12:18:55 PM  

ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."


Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)
 
2013-10-31 12:20:18 PM  

SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.


What was taken over? And what, besides the website, went wrong?
 
2013-10-31 12:24:58 PM  

joonyer: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.

That wasn't "on the ropes". It was "I'm dumber for having this exchange with you". Much how I feel about this post.


Oh, questions designed to get her to put the blame on the president? No, that wasn't "on the ropes." Just partisan b.s. The whole thing about having to account for the ACA launch failures was the on the ropes part.

She's clinging to her job. On the ropes, as it were.
 
2013-10-31 12:33:20 PM  
If she had straight out mooned him, she would have given the questioner more respect than was due, given the context and the questions.  This woman needs to be back at the office fixing this stuff, not farking around with politics.
 
2013-10-31 12:35:32 PM  

SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.


Why don't you go ahead and call us when the government takes over health care and not something completely different like say, insurance.  K?
 
2013-10-31 12:37:18 PM  

SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.


Because clearly the Director of Health and Human Services is merely a random valley girl.  It sucks for us as a country that she refused to accept responsibility.  And even worse, she ended the press conference without answering any other questions.

/somehow I'm glad the trolls are back
 
2013-10-31 12:46:41 PM  

Cletus C.: joonyer: Cletus C.: HotWingConspiracy: That was her letting him save a little face, she was being nice. He's just lucky it wasn't Warren.

I would think they'd love to have Warren on the ropes like that.

That wasn't "on the ropes". It was "I'm dumber for having this exchange with you". Much how I feel about this post.

Oh, questions designed to get her to put the blame on the president? No, that wasn't "on the ropes." Just partisan b.s. The whole thing about having to account for the ACA launch failures was the on the ropes part.

She's clinging to her job. On the ropes, as it were.


Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
 
2013-10-31 12:49:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: lennavan: HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.

Wait, so you're saying as time goes by, the past doesn't change?  Crap, karnal, now what do we do?

Crap, now I have to go apologize to the auto mechanic for blaming him for my accident after I took it in to be repaired.


Yes, you might. Insurance companies investigate that sort of thing all the time.

So do political scientists, philosophers who study ethics, and economists.
 
2013-10-31 12:57:28 PM  
i273.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-31 12:59:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.

What was taken over? And what, besides the website, went wrong?


What was taken over?  Everyone's healthcare was taken over, that's what.  Now we got incompetent and irresponsible government commissars making healthcare plans for everyone.  We got lies and broken promises about keeping your plan if you like it and keeping your doctor.  We got soaring premiums and soaring deductibles.  And there is no reason to think that the gross bureaucratic incompetence behind the website snafu will be limited to the website.  We can expect that same level of incompetence at every level of Obamacare.  That's because nobody will take responsibility.  When people ask their government, who is responsible for this mess, they get valley-girl sass:  Whatever.
 
2013-10-31 01:03:05 PM  

SkinnyHead: What was taken over?  Everyone's healthcare was taken over, that's what.  Now we got incompetent and irresponsible government commissars making healthcare plans for everyone


Who offers the healthplans? Are you sure that it's "government commisars" and not "Kaiser Permanente"? I think you might be confused.

SkinnyHead: We got soaring premiums and soaring deductibles.


Are you sure about that? Because most people's plans are becoming  more affordable, not less.

SkinnyHead: We can expect that same level of incompetence at every level of Obamacare.


There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?
 
2013-10-31 01:04:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

Can you name one thing that Obama has blamed on Bush that wasn't Bush's fault? One thing. Please. I'm begging you. Just name one thing.


Bush is Obama's Katrina.

/got nuthin'
 
2013-10-31 01:08:31 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

Can you name one thing that Obama has blamed on Bush that wasn't Bush's fault? One thing. Please. I'm begging you. Just name one thing.

Bush is Obama's Katrina.

/got nuthin'


You'll notice that he never came back after that. Trolls don't like when they have to defend their crap talking points.
 
2013-10-31 01:08:44 PM  
Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.
 
2013-10-31 01:10:11 PM  

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: When government takeover of healthcare goes wrong, people got a right to ask who is responsible for the snafu.  And people got a right to expect more from their government than valley-girl sass as a response.

What was taken over? And what, besides the website, went wrong?

What was taken over?  Everyone's healthcare was taken over, that's what.  Now we got incompetent and irresponsible government commissars making healthcare plans for everyone.  We got lies and broken promises about keeping your plan if you like it and keeping your doctor.  We got soaring premiums and soaring deductibles.  And there is no reason to think that the gross bureaucratic incompetence behind the website snafu will be limited to the website.  We can expect that same level of incompetence at every level of Obamacare.  That's because nobody will take responsibility.  When people ask their government, who is responsible for this mess, they get valley-girl sass:  Whatever.


Neither healthcare delivery nor the insurance industry have been "taken over by the government".

Both of these institutions are still in private hands, the only difference is that the ACA has essentially introduced regulations that prevent them from considering their profit motive when making decisions about your care.
 
2013-10-31 01:14:10 PM  

incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.


Or the Feds just farked up a website. It still doesn't work properly so the mass traffic excuse from the initial launch doesn't really fly
 
2013-10-31 01:18:23 PM  

skullkrusher: Or the Feds just farked up a website. It still doesn't work properly so the mass traffic excuse from the initial launch doesn't really fly


Yep. They bungled a website. A website that shouldn't have needed to exist to be bungleable. It's not exclusive.

I kind of wonder how long the site's gonna be around, anyway. I think most of the laggard states will jump on board within a couple of years, and then all this hand-wringing we're going through over a website will seem silly.
 
2013-10-31 01:19:19 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

Can you name one thing that Obama has blamed on Bush that wasn't Bush's fault? One thing. Please. I'm begging you. Just name one thing.


He's still blaming Bush for the deficit....this after adding almost 6 trillion to it himself.  Back in July he was blaming Bush on the economy....give him time and it will be Bush's fault that his Obamacare website sucks.
 
2013-10-31 01:22:35 PM  

karnal: He's still blaming Bush for the deficit..


Is he? In what speech or paper is he blaming Bush for the 2013 budget deficit?
 
2013-10-31 01:23:16 PM  

karnal: Back in July he was blaming Bush on the economy..


Are you saying that in no way was Bush responsible for the economic crash of 2008?
 
2013-10-31 01:24:48 PM  

incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.


This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?
 
2013-10-31 01:28:33 PM  

Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?


Don't 35 states have GOP governors? Isn't the decision to expand medicare up to the governor of said state?
 
2013-10-31 01:29:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Back in July he was blaming Bush on the economy..

Are you saying that in no way was Bush responsible for the economic crash of 2008?


Not solely - share the blame with The Federal Reserve, the SEC (for they turned a blind eye and refused to investigate fraud), Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America.
Plus, he had a Democrat Congress who orders the spending bills.... also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.
 
2013-10-31 01:30:23 PM  

incendi: skullkrusher: Or the Feds just farked up a website. It still doesn't work properly so the mass traffic excuse from the initial launch doesn't really fly

Yep. They bungled a website. A website that shouldn't have needed to exist to be bungleable. It's not exclusive.

I kind of wonder how long the site's gonna be around, anyway. I think most of the laggard states will jump on board within a couple of years, and then all this hand-wringing we're going through over a website will seem silly.


It's not limited to the website itself. My state exchange (NY) is not getting data from the Feds. Only 13 states have their own exchanges at the moment and they aren't all blue nor are all the ones without all red. Presumably they'll have it fixed soon but they knew for months how many states would have their own portals and should've planned accordingly. Crashing from overwhelming traffic at first is not excusable but it is at least understandable. The whole infrastructure is apparently riddled with bugs and that is much less understandable
 
2013-10-31 01:31:02 PM  

karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.


You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.
 
2013-10-31 01:32:54 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: FTA:
1. Sebelius said she bears responsibility for the website and apologized.
2. Harper repeatedly asked whether President Barack Obama bears ultimate responsibility.

Seems like less of a "I am wrong, but dont want to admit it" than a "look, I've answered your question, and you keep asking the same damned question over and over again, so, yeah, whatever you want the answer to be. Happy? Now STFU."

Once again, looking to attack Obama as if he was personally responsible for coding the site.

Also: what the fark is with politicians and the constant search for "who bears ultimate responsibility" for things? Is that all politics is: looking for someone to blame? As opposed to, you know, just farking fixing shiat and moving on.


It's a very long and tedious search for Republicans when the true answer (the one in the mirror) isn't acceptable to them.
 
2013-10-31 01:33:01 PM  
Like, whatevs, libtards.
 
2013-10-31 01:34:16 PM  

karnal: he had a Democrat Congress who orders the spending bills


dims
 
2013-10-31 01:40:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?


At each level, Obamacare gets another 1D6 hit points and may select two spells from the available spell list -OR- may select two minor psionic abilities from the Sensitive and Active categories (excluding Telekinesis).  The choice between magic or psionics is made on a level by level basis.

At levels 2, 5, and 9, Obamacare selects three additional secondary skills.  These skills start at level 1 proficiency.

At level 2, Obamacare gains +2 attacks per round, +1 strike, dodge and parry, and acquires the Drop Kick attack (2d8 damage, counts as two attacks).
 
2013-10-31 01:41:23 PM  

incendi: Rep. Greg Harper: The president ultimately is responsible. While I think it's great that you're a team player and you're taking responsibility, it is the president's ultimate responsibility, correct?

Sebelius: Um... You clearly... Uh... Whatever. Yes he is the president. Yes he is responsible for government programs.

Yeah, that question got precisely the sort of answer it deserved.


And we're done. The fun part is that, in a matter of weeks, Congress will be grinding this ax long after the web site's done its job (unlike, well, Congress.)
 
2013-10-31 01:41:42 PM  

Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?


Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.
 
2013-10-31 01:43:21 PM  
palelizard: At level 2, Obamacare gains +2 attacks per round, +1 strike, dodge and parry, and acquires the Drop Kick attack (2d8 damage, counts as two attacks).

Jesus Christ, three attacks at level two? It's a goddamn death panel all on its lonesome.
 
2013-10-31 01:43:48 PM  

palelizard: cameroncrazy1984: There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?

At each level, Obamacare gets another 1D6 hit points and may select two spells from the available spell list -OR- may select two minor psionic abilities from the Sensitive and Active categories (excluding Telekinesis).  The choice between magic or psionics is made on a level by level basis.

At levels 2, 5, and 9, Obamacare selects three additional secondary skills.  These skills start at level 1 proficiency.

At level 2, Obamacare gains +2 attacks per round, +1 strike, dodge and parry, and acquires the Drop Kick attack (2d8 damage, counts as two attacks).


really though you want to only take a 2 splash of obamacare as a diversion before going 10 muslim
 
2013-10-31 01:45:03 PM  

palelizard: cameroncrazy1984: There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?

At each level, Obamacare gets another 1D6 hit points and may select two spells from the available spell list -OR- may select two minor psionic abilities from the Sensitive and Active categories (excluding Telekinesis).  The choice between magic or psionics is made on a level by level basis.

At levels 2, 5, and 9, Obamacare selects three additional secondary skills.  These skills start at level 1 proficiency.

At level 2, Obamacare gains +2 attacks per round, +1 strike, dodge and parry, and acquires the Drop Kick attack (2d8 damage, counts as two attacks).


That was some fine nerdery right there
 
2013-10-31 01:45:29 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.



If you think Barney Frank had nothing to do with the housing bubble that makes you either stupid or very naive ....his fingerprints are all over that fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape and when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not facing any kind of financial crisis.
 
2013-10-31 01:47:41 PM  

lockers: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.


Obamacarefacts.com/state-health-insurance-exchange.php has a map. I might've miscounted some of those crappy little New England states
 
2013-10-31 01:50:07 PM  

skullkrusher: It's not limited to the website itself. My state exchange (NY) is not getting data from the Feds. Only 13 states have their own exchanges at the moment and they aren't all blue nor are all the ones without all red. Presumably they'll have it fixed soon but they knew for months how many states would have their own portals and should've planned accordingly. Crashing from overwhelming traffic at first is not excusable but it is at least understandable. The whole infrastructure is apparently riddled with bugs and that is much less understandable


I agree there are problems. A lot of government IT is shoddy. Several of the websites I use for work are down at the moment, in fact. It's not particularly surprising to me that the federal exchange site has issues. They'll get worked out, eventually.

Ideally, though, the federal site should have been some happy clappy informational bullshiat and links to 50 state exchanges. Now, some of those would have been broken at launch too, I'm sure. Might even have been defects at the federal level breaking them, like with your state's issue right now. Even if the federal website launch had gone flawlessly, it doesn't change the fact that the refusal to set up exchanges was a Republican plan to break the system, largely based on some iffy ideas about the wording of the law not allowing the credits/subsidies to be used on a federal site.

That the implementation of the site also happened to be a failure is a happy coincidence for them, but the Feds wouldn't have had something major to bungle if Freedomworks and their ilk hadn't been doing everything they could possibly do to sabotage the law in the first place.
 
2013-10-31 01:53:26 PM  

skullkrusher: lockers: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.

Obamacarefacts.com/state-health-insurance-exchange.php has a map. I might've miscounted some of those crappy little New England states


You want me to work for my facts? Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-10-31 01:54:25 PM  

lockers: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.


I counted five, with one independent.
 
2013-10-31 01:58:55 PM  

skullkrusher: snipp


And yes, before we get to that point, it would also be entirely fair to say that we wouldn't be discussing the failure of the federal site if it had been implemented perfectly, or at least extremely well. Anything less than "pretty goddamned good" and they'd all be pitching the same fit they are now anyway.
 
2013-10-31 01:59:02 PM  

karnal: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.


If you think Barney Frank had nothing to do with the housing bubble that makes you either stupid or very naive ....his fingerprints are all over that fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape and when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not facing any kind of financial crisis.


Yes, sweetie. One guy caused it all. And just because he was gay! It totes had nothing to do with anything else. Just the power of one gay guy.
 
2013-10-31 02:05:44 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.


If you think Barney Frank had nothing to do with the housing bubble that makes you either stupid or very naive ....his fingerprints are all over that fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape and when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not facing any kind of financial crisis.

Yes, sweetie. One guy caused it all. And just because he was gay! It totes had nothing to do with anything else. Just the power of one gay guy.


Seems reading comprehension is one of your problems, sweetie.  Look again at what I wrote....I spread the blame between Bush, The Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Congress....but turn this into a gay thing if you feel the need, you're only embarrassing yourself.
 
2013-10-31 02:10:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Who offers the healthplans? Are you sure that it's "government commisars" and not "Kaiser Permanente"? I think you might be confused.


The individual mandate requires everyone to have a healthplan and government commissars dictate the terms of those plans.  That's government takeover of healthcare.

Are you sure about that? Because most people's plans are becoming  more affordable, not less.

Nobody is sure about anything having to do with Obamacare, especially when you got a dishonest government pushing it.  Studies have shown that average rates will increase significantly in most states.

There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?

Can you?  There are about 10,000 pages of fine print Obamacare regulations written by incompetent bureaucrats dictating every level of healthcare.
 
2013-10-31 02:11:58 PM  
Why can't we just put the fecking republicans in time out, just like you would the misbehaving, obstreperous toddler that they are imitating?

I would suggest spanking them, but I think far too many of them would like that...

Whatever.
 
2013-10-31 02:20:29 PM  

Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?


CBS News. Wasn't that the news agency that reported about that woman who had a massive insurance rate hike because of the ACA, and the story was so much bullshiat even Fox News called them out on it?
 
2013-10-31 02:21:54 PM  

lockers: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

Do any of those 15 states have a republican governor? That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.


You have to consider state legislatures too. Governors can't set up exchanges all by themselves.
 
2013-10-31 02:23:21 PM  

LoneWolf343: Cletus C.: incendi: Let's all just take a moment to remember that the only reason we're discussing the failure of the federal website at all is because some Republicans decided to be intransigent arseholes and refuse to make a good-faith effort at setting up state exchanges with the deliberate intention of inducing as much failure as possible into the system.

This reports says 15 states set up health exchanges, so you're certain Republicans control the other 35 states?

CBS News. Wasn't that the news agency that reported about that woman who had a massive insurance rate hike because of the ACA, and the story was so much bullshiat even Fox News called them out on it?


I'll take your word on that. So, this story is wrong too. or are are we waiting for Fox to call them out?
 
2013-10-31 02:30:44 PM  

skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)


Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.
 
2013-10-31 02:32:20 PM  
Not really, but okay.
 
2013-10-31 02:34:47 PM  

karnal: Soon after Obama took office, didn't he pledged that his administrated would cut the deficit in half?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say if you like the healthcare plan you have, you can keep it?

-Whatever

Didn't Obama say: "No more Illegal Wire Tapping of American Citizens"?

-Whatever

Didn't he also say he would
1. Make government open and transparent
2. Make it "Impossible" for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out)
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
6. You'll know what's in it (Republican Senators didn't know)
7. We will put every pork barrel project online


-Whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever whatever


Wow - you must be the most racist person on FARK with a post like that.  We get it, he's blah.
 
2013-10-31 02:38:14 PM  

karnal: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're not blaming two members of the US House of Representatives for rising home prices.

No one can be that stupid.


If you think Barney Frank had nothing to do with the housing bubble that makes you either stupid or very naive ....his fingerprints are all over that fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape and when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not facing any kind of financial crisis.

Yes, sweetie. One guy caused it all. And just because he was gay! It totes had nothing to do with anything else. Just the power of one gay guy.

Seems reading comprehension is one of your problems, sweetie.  Look again at what I wrote....I spread the blame between Bush, The Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Congress....but turn this into a gay thing if you feel the need, you're only embarrassing yourself.


I fail to see where you mentioned any blame to the Bush administration much less any of those financial institutions.....In fact you were stating that the Bush administration tried to impose more restrictions, but somehow Barney Frank wouldn't let him.
 
2013-10-31 02:38:39 PM  

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: Who offers the healthplans? Are you sure that it's "government commisars" and not "Kaiser Permanente"? I think you might be confused.

The individual mandate requires everyone to have a healthplan and government commissars dictate the minimum terms of those plans.  That's government takeover of healthcare.

Are you sure about that? Because most people's plans are becoming  more affordable, not less.

Nobody is sure about anything having to do with Obamacare, especially when you got a dishonest government pushing it.  Studies have shown that average rates will increase significantly in most states that do not opt-in for government subsidies.

There are "levels" of Obamacare now? What are they? Can you describe the infrastructure of Obamacare for us?

Can you?  There are about 10,000 pages of fine print Obamacare regulations written by incompetent bureaucrats dictating every level of healthcare.


So...no, you can't?
 
2013-10-31 02:39:06 PM  

ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.


You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...
 
2013-10-31 02:42:46 PM  

karnal: cameroncrazy1984: karnal: Back in July he was blaming Bush on the economy..

Are you saying that in no way was Bush responsible for the economic crash of 2008?

Not solely - share the blame with The Federal Reserve, the SEC (for they turned a blind eye and refused to investigate fraud), Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America.
Plus, he had a Democrat Congress who orders the spending bills.... also blame Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - they pushed up home values from the liberal disastrous policies under Freddie and Fannie.


Idiot - I fail to see where you mentioned any blame to the Bush administration much less any of those financial institutions.


Never mind.  Just saw this above.
 
2013-10-31 02:45:21 PM  

GanjSmokr: ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.

You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...


That's different somehow.
 
2013-10-31 02:46:52 PM  

SkinnyHead: Can you? There are about 10,000 pages of fine print Obamacare regulations written by incompetent bureaucrats dictating every level of healthcare.


Can you point to a specific example?  Sounds like there are so many.  What pages are you thinking about here?
 
2013-10-31 02:53:11 PM  

skullkrusher: GanjSmokr: ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.

You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...

That's different somehow.


It's different because it would make ikanreed look like a hypocrite if they answered honestly.
 
2013-10-31 02:53:17 PM  

GanjSmokr: ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.

You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...


Because I went home and stopped caring about fark. I mean, isn't it ok that I have better things to do than constnatly justify myself to a bunch of racist losers?
 
2013-10-31 02:56:04 PM  

ikanreed: GanjSmokr: ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.

You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...

Because I went home and stopped caring about fark. I mean, isn't it ok that I have better things to do than constnatly justify myself to a bunch of racist losers?


Well you're back to caring about Fark now. So why haven't you answered his question?
 
2013-10-31 02:57:19 PM  

GanjSmokr: skullkrusher: GanjSmokr: ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.

You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...

That's different somehow.

It's different because it would make ikanreed look like a hypocrite if they answered honestly.


Whee, let's drag on the presumptions about my opinions into a completely new thread.  Let's put it this way.

"Whatever, you racist idiots."

There, no you can pretend since you stuck to your inane guns long enough I "admitted defeat".
 
2013-10-31 03:00:57 PM  

ikanreed: GanjSmokr: skullkrusher: GanjSmokr: ikanreed: skullkrusher: ikanreed: "Whatever" is also a way of addressing people who won't shut up with the same point over and over again.

"The earth is 15 years old"
"... I'm older than 15"
"The earth is 15 years old anyways"
"...There's not even the remotest reason to believe that"
"Ha, but I know that the earth is 15 years old, so there"
"Whatever.  I'm going to go talk to someone without serious debilitating mental illness"

Alternatively:
"Benghazi, Benghazi , Benghazi BenghaziBenghaziBenghazi"
"Whatever."

Sushi chef costumes are racist.
Whatever.

;)

Yep, those are definitely words that were in a post of mine, racist farker.

You never let us know how you felt about kilts in that thread...

That's different somehow.

It's different because it would make ikanreed look like a hypocrite if they answered honestly.

Whee, let's drag on the presumptions about my opinions into a completely new thread.  Let's put it this way.

"Whatever, you racist idiots."

There, no you can pretend since you stuck to your inane guns long enough I "admitted defeat".


Translation: "No, I don't actually believe kilts are racist, but I can't admit that or I'd look like a hypocritical fool."

Good enough. I'm perfectly satisfied with that answer.  End threadjack and carry on.
 
2013-10-31 03:08:03 PM  
GanjSmokr:

Good enough. I'm perfectly satisfied with that answer.  End threadjack and carry on.

I'll give explaining the concept one shot, on the hopes that it gives you a chance to reflect briefly on what racism means.  The rule goes like this,

If you have to ask "but what if it were a white race, man",  it's racist.  That excuse is always pulled out for racist bullshiat, and societal tolerance for racism against whites is higher, but it's still racist.

It doesn't matter what it is, but that excuse always, always, always, means you're trying to defend a racist viewpoint.  I don't care for continually justifying really basic points like that to racist assholes, so I say "whatever",  but please please please consider it.  Just think about that rule, and try to come up with an exception to its application.
 
2013-10-31 03:15:17 PM  

karnal: the president is planning to send a bill to his Democrat buddies in Congress, proposing that the San Andreas Fault be renamed "Bush's Fault."


OK, that was cute.
 
2013-10-31 03:19:06 PM  

ikanreed: GanjSmokr:

Good enough. I'm perfectly satisfied with that answer.  End threadjack and carry on.

I'll give explaining the concept one shot, on the hopes that it gives you a chance to reflect briefly on what racism means.  The rule goes like this,

If you have to ask "but what if it were a white race, man",  it's racist.  That excuse is always pulled out for racist bullshiat, and societal tolerance for racism against whites is higher, but it's still racist.

It doesn't matter what it is, but that excuse always, always, always, means you're trying to defend a racist viewpoint.  I don't care for continually justifying really basic points like that to racist assholes, so I say "whatever",  but please please please consider it.  Just think about that rule, and try to come up with an exception to its application.


I've been on Fark for a while and I've seen my fair share of dubious logic but that was some of the best I've encountered. Bravo
 
2013-10-31 03:20:46 PM  

skullkrusher: I've seen my fair share of dubious logic


I always did wonder if you even read your own posts.  Good to know
 
2013-10-31 03:26:02 PM  
Ok that was too much to hope for.  I should've left it at "whatever," which was my first instinct.

Which leads back to the original point I had.  They will keep beating the drum.  If you engage them on the level they're demanding you do, they'll inanely call you wrong, and nothing will be achieved.

So, cheers to "whatever" and its power to deal with "Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi" types.
 
2013-10-31 03:29:17 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: I've seen my fair share of dubious logic

I always did wonder if you even read your own posts.  Good to know


I just left that one lying they on the side of the road. If you're gonna make roadkill stew at least add a garnish
 
2013-10-31 03:39:31 PM  

ikanreed: GanjSmokr:

Good enough. I'm perfectly satisfied with that answer.  End threadjack and carry on.

I'll give explaining the concept one shot, on the hopes that it gives you a chance to reflect briefly on what racism means.  The rule goes like this,

If you have to ask "but what if it were a white race, man",  it's racist.  That excuse is always pulled out for racist bullshiat, and societal tolerance for racism against whites is higher, but it's still racist.

It doesn't matter what it is, but that excuse always, always, always, means you're trying to defend a racist viewpoint.  I don't care for continually justifying really basic points like that to racist assholes, so I say "whatever",  but please please please consider it.  Just think about that rule, and try to come up with an exception to its application.


So, just to be clear, you'd obviously consider these 2 people "racist assholes" for wearing kilts, right?

www.janetcharltonshollywood.comwww.bevoguish.com
 
2013-10-31 03:40:32 PM  
Whatever, shutup.
 
2013-10-31 04:13:13 PM  
It doesn't mean I'm wrong.
It mean I really don't give a crap about your opinion...not enough to argue about it.
 
2013-10-31 04:25:11 PM  

ikanreed: Ok that was too much to hope for.  I should've left it at "whatever," which was my first instinct.

Which leads back to the original point I had.  They will keep beating the drum.  If you engage them on the level they're demanding you do, they'll inanely call you wrong, and nothing will be achieved.

So, cheers to "whatever" and its power to deal with "Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi" types.



You're just an ostrich looking for a hole to stick your head in - ignore Benghazi, ignore illegal wire taping, ignore IRS targeting certain groups, just ignore what is happening.
 
2013-10-31 04:39:25 PM  

karnal: ikanreed: Ok that was too much to hope for.  I should've left it at "whatever," which was my first instinct.

Which leads back to the original point I had.  They will keep beating the drum.  If you engage them on the level they're demanding you do, they'll inanely call you wrong, and nothing will be achieved.

So, cheers to "whatever" and its power to deal with "Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi" types.


You're just an ostrich looking for a hole to stick your head in - ignore Benghazi, ignore illegal wire taping, ignore IRS targeting certain groups, just ignore what is happening.


It would be appropriate that you'd cite a myth to describe my opinion of a pair of myths but congratulations on guessing wrong on my opinion of domestic wiretapping(which, by the way, is a problem because it's legal).

Alternatively: "whatever, idiot".
 
2013-10-31 05:56:46 PM  
karnal: AM radio talking points.

Ignored. Whatever.
 
2013-10-31 05:57:35 PM  

skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: I've seen my fair share of dubious logic

I always did wonder if you even read your own posts.  Good to know

I just left that one lying they on the side of the road. If you're gonna make roadkill stew at least add a garnish


Whatever.

you know it was funny
 
2013-10-31 07:04:34 PM  
She really, really ought to have bitten back:

"Excuse me, Congressman, but given your voting record with regards to the recent shutdown, where the fark do you get off? Does the word hypocrisy mean nothing to you? Do you have no shame?

I am answerable to the American people, and to them I apologize. But you, sir, can go fark yourself. I have better things to do with my time than to answer to an ignorant partisan stooge. I have a botched healthcare system to rebuild. Good day, sir."
 
2013-10-31 08:22:38 PM  
"Muh-DEH-vuh-duh. Whatever."

/remember that?
 
2013-10-31 08:28:52 PM  

karnal: He's still blaming Bush for the deficit....this after adding almost 6 trillion to it himself.


Well, yes, he's been slow to end the Bush policies (tax cuts, wars, etc.) that are contributing to the deficit, but the policies he himself has instituted are decreasing the deficit.  The deficits coming from the Bush-era policies are just overwhelming his own changes.
 
2013-10-31 09:21:04 PM  

lennavan: HotWingConspiracy: karnal: cameroncrazy1984: James!: karnal: (Republican Senators didn't know)

It's not Obama's fault they can't read.

Don't you understand? Nothing is the fault of Republican Senators. EVER. Everything is Obama's fault.

Funny, since the current president is still blaming Bush for many of his woes.

And it's entirely accurate.

Wait, so you're saying as time goes by, the past doesn't change?  Crap, karnal, now what do we do?


I love right wing nitwit logic:
The President of the United States of America is the most powerful position in the world.
Such that Obama can ruin America FOREVER in one day.
But it's INCONCEIVABLE that Bush had ANY affect on American past the day he left office.
 
2013-10-31 09:44:49 PM  

Sybarite: Cause this is her United States of Whatever!



Crescent fresh, biatches.
 
2013-10-31 09:45:24 PM  

Sybarite: Cause this is her United States of Whatever!


DirkValentine: Sybarite: Cause this is her United States of Whatever!


Crescent fresh, biatches.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-10-31 11:43:55 PM  

palelizard: Science has proven the Party of Personal Responsibility lacks the capacity to understand the phrase "I am responsible".  It's like when you ask a kid with brain damage what he calls a black-and-white striped horse, and the kid says "Ebra."  He's incapable of understand he's wrong, because the kind of damage he's got basically creates a world in his perceptions where "Z" doesn't exist, can't exist.

This will not be the last time a parallel is drawn between the GOP and brain-damaged children.


You can delegate authority, you cannot not delegate responsibility or accountability. That shiat always flows uphill, not downhill. That's not to say that people up and down the chain can't be held accountable by the people above them but the ultimate responsibility lies with the person or people who picked the people who they gave the authority to.

Do you recall that whole "Heck of a job Brownie" thing? Bush got rightfully lambasted for appointing him and it seems that Obama deserves the same treatment here and that Selibus needs to be fired for incompetence, if for no other reason than she apparently was not telling her boss that there were major problems with healthcare.gov.
 
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