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(Fox News)   The brand of football helmet makes no difference in the risk of concussion. Although players rarely see injuries when hit by a defender wearing a helmet with the Jacksonville Jaguars logo   (foxnews.com) divider line 24
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2013-10-31 08:49:19 AM
Duh, this is why football will need to be fundamentally changed in order to survive.
 
2013-10-31 09:00:03 AM
Except, of course, there are helmets that are far better at preventing concussions.  Riddell and the NFL have done a great job of keeping them out of the game.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/helmets-preventing-concussi on -seen-quashed-by-nfl-riddell.html
 
2013-10-31 09:05:12 AM
In an interesting twist, players wearing custom-fitted mouth guards actually suffered higher rates of concussions compared to players who did not wear mouth guards.

What position is allowed on the field without mouth guards?  Are you telling me that mouthguards are not usefull because kickers and punters do not get concussions while DBs from time to time get concussed?
 
2013-10-31 09:05:36 AM

The Crepes of Wrath: Except, of course, there are helmets that are far better at preventing concussions.  Riddell and the NFL have done a great job of keeping them out of the game.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/helmets-preventing-concussi on -seen-quashed-by-nfl-riddell.html


The issue is players slamming head-to-head into each other 50 times per game and who knows how many times per week at practice.  A slightly better helmet isn't really going to help.
 
2013-10-31 09:10:10 AM

MugzyBrown: The Crepes of Wrath: Except, of course, there are helmets that are far better at preventing concussions.  Riddell and the NFL have done a great job of keeping them out of the game.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/helmets-preventing-concussi on -seen-quashed-by-nfl-riddell.html

The issue is players slamming head-to-head into each other 50 times per game and who knows how many times per week at practice.  A slightly better helmet isn't really going to help.


exactly, until they come up with some star trek grade helmets with inertial dampeners, the brain will still be sloshing around on every hit. which will eventually lead to very bad things...
 
2013-10-31 09:13:17 AM
So subbys are tired of picking on Di and are now going after Bunny in the headlines?
 
2013-10-31 09:15:04 AM

divgradcurl: exactly, until they come up with some star trek grade helmets with inertial dampeners, the brain will still be sloshing around on every hit. which will eventually lead to very bad things...


They need to switch to soft padding, helmets and everywhere else.

The head padding should be designed to protect from the occasional inadvertent head-to-head knock, but not for real collisions.

The lines of scrimmage shouldn't be 300lb guys diving head first into one another every play.

A player shouldn't feel safe diving head first into another player

A RB shouldn't feel safe putting his head down to take on a tackler.

You can't do this overnight, but it should start today with youth football, in 5 years with HS, and in 15 years in the NFL.
 
2013-10-31 09:39:05 AM

MugzyBrown: divgradcurl: exactly, until they come up with some star trek grade helmets with inertial dampeners, the brain will still be sloshing around on every hit. which will eventually lead to very bad things...

They need to switch to soft padding, helmets and everywhere else.

The head padding should be designed to protect from the occasional inadvertent head-to-head knock, but not for real collisions.

The lines of scrimmage shouldn't be 300lb guys diving head first into one another every play.

A player shouldn't feel safe diving head first into another player

A RB shouldn't feel safe putting his head down to take on a tackler.

You can't do this overnight, but it should start today with youth football, in 5 years with HS, and in 15 years in the NFL.


I'm too lazy to look for / at data, but I'm also convinced that the hard shell of a helmet causes as much damage in a high impact as it helps.  Not that football players should be wearing a 4-foot radius gel hat of some kind, but I know every time my bell was rung, it seemed exacerbated by the collision of 2 hard helmet shells; the ringing and headaches probably might have been avoided altogether had 2 softer materials collided.

My guess is that testing shows the shell absorbs and distributes the shock across a wider range of the head rather than causing a severe injury to a more direct, specific area.  There just has to be better technology for a better solution - allowing no schock to any part of the head (in conjunction with better training and rule enforcement of hitting and tackling technique), a la star trek grade.
 
2013-10-31 09:41:22 AM
Old and Busted: concussions. The New Hotness: ACL tears.
 
2013-10-31 09:48:09 AM

Nana's Vibrator: I'm too lazy to look for / at data, but I'm also convinced that the hard shell of a helmet causes as much damage in a high impact as it helps.  Not that football players should be wearing a 4-foot radius gel hat of some kind, but I know every time my bell was rung, it seemed exacerbated by the collision of 2 hard helmet shells; the ringing and headaches probably might have been avoided altogether had 2 softer materials collided.

My guess is that testing shows the shell absorbs and distributes the shock across a wider range of the head rather than causing a severe injury to a more direct, specific area.  There just has to be better technology for a better solution - allowing no schock to any part of the head (in conjunction with better training and rule enforcement of hitting and tackling technique), a la star trek grade.


I'm sure the hard shell helmets prevents players from getting killed from severe brain injuries.  But I'm also sure it makes the real problem worse.  Both by its function and how it influences players behavior.
 
2013-10-31 10:07:45 AM
Helmets prevent cracked skulls, not concussions. As long as your brain is floating freely around in your head, it's going to get jarred during a violent collision.
 
2013-10-31 10:08:25 AM

MugzyBrown: divgradcurl: exactly, until they come up with some star trek grade helmets with inertial dampeners, the brain will still be sloshing around on every hit. which will eventually lead to very bad things...

They need to switch to soft padding, helmets and everywhere else.

The head padding should be designed to protect from the occasional inadvertent head-to-head knock, but not for real collisions.

The lines of scrimmage shouldn't be 300lb guys diving head first into one another every play.

A player shouldn't feel safe diving head first into another player

A RB shouldn't feel safe putting his head down to take on a tackler.

You can't do this overnight, but it should start today with youth football, in 5 years with HS, and in 15 years in the NFL.


So change football to rugby?
 
2013-10-31 10:12:06 AM

ghall3: So change football to rugby?


1) You do understand they have similar origins?
2) The play of football vs rugby are very different
3) If football is going to survive long term, this is really the only solution
 
2013-10-31 10:18:48 AM

MugzyBrown: 1) You do understand they have similar origins?
2) The play of football vs rugby are very different
3) If football is going to survive long term, this is really the only solution


1. Yes.
2. Yes, it's better
3. I agree
 
2013-10-31 10:45:32 AM
That smell Is Gregg Easterbrook tastefully shiatting himself.
 
2013-10-31 11:04:40 AM
Did they really just study brands and not specific models? If so, that is a completely worthless study.
 
2013-10-31 12:07:42 PM
The NFL has done an awe-inspiring job of controlling the message on brain damage.  Everything is about concussions, even though modern evidence suggests that repeat sub-concussive collisions that compound brain damage are more dangerous.

The NFL knows that if collisions become the topic of discussion, the game as we know it is over. If they can keep the topic of concussions at the forefront, creating a bit of a straw man, they can make all this show of addressing the problem.
 
2013-10-31 12:22:02 PM

MugzyBrown: 3) If football is going to survive long term, this is really the only solution


Flag football > rugby. Also, rugby has plenty of concussions. It's just that no one cares enough to do studies about it.

And seriously, I'd rather they just switch to flag football at this point instead of heavily influencing outcomes by assessing asinine "defenseless receiver" (or worse, "targeting" in CFB) penalties based on either a random basis (at best) or referee bias at worst.
 
2013-10-31 02:09:58 PM
The Jags' helmets look like the equipment manager tried to pimp them out with a can of black spray paint. They're as ghetto as it gets.
 
2013-10-31 06:48:36 PM
Hmm.

I remember a couple of players that had helmets, as a special case, that had a layer of padding on the OUTside at one point. As a result of injury or somesuch I think.

I wonder if that kind of a design were developed and MANDATED by the NFL instead of being a choice, how it would help?
 
rka
2013-10-31 09:09:14 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: Except, of course, there are helmets that are far better at preventing concussions.  Riddell and the NFL have done a great job of keeping them out of the game.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/helmets-preventing-concussi on -seen-quashed-by-nfl-riddell.html


This story really reads like a ProCAP PR hit piece because all the science shows that helmets do little to control concussions. Riddell, ProCap. Doesn't matter, it's about as effective as this rock in my pocket is at keeping away tigers.

The NFL would kill to be able to point to something as simple as a damn as the cure-all for it's head trauma problem. They would love nothing more than to stand up at the podium and point to some tangible piece of equipment and claim the problem is solved. They can't. Not with Riddell's helmets and not with ProCap's.
 
2013-10-31 09:34:05 PM
It's nothing that a couple more billion in public subsidies won't solve... or at least make the public treasury so financially invested in the sport that most cities can't afford for it to lose popularity.
 
2013-11-01 05:15:42 AM
Sounds like University of Pennsylvania needs some more gorillas to test helmets on again.
 
2013-11-01 10:50:46 AM
even if helmets could prevent concussions... which they won't...

players will still have damaged shoulders and powdered vertibrae in their necks.

i really see football for what it is now.
maybe it's necessary, i don't know.   but i know that tens of thousands of men are partially disabled to some degree because of it.  and thousands are severely disabled.

broken bodies and damaged minds ...  and i'm talking about highschool and college kids that never go pro.
you're too young at age 10 to understand what playing football for 10-15 years is going to do to you when youre 40.   depends on the position played... but for the kids that are trained to be 'hitters' ...   tough road ahead.
 
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