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(Marketwatch)   China spends $20 billion a year on investments in the U.S. It's always nice to see them taking an interest in the future of what they already own   (blogs.marketwatch.com) divider line 31
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2013-10-31 11:16:05 AM  
Good. Better than then not spending $20B in the US.
 
2013-10-31 11:22:52 AM  
Direct Foreign Investment. It's a good thing. Americans buy assets in other nations too.


www.metrics2.com
 
2013-10-31 11:23:08 AM  
No subby. They don't own us. They own notes that say we'll pay them back for the notes.

/Debt. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
 
2013-10-31 11:25:31 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: No subby. They don't own us. They own notes that say we'll pay them back for the notes.

/Debt. I do not think that word means what you think it means.


Even then they only own like 5% of our debt.
 
2013-10-31 11:34:31 AM  

impaler: Even then they only own like 5% of our debt.


7.5% of the extended debt
10.5% of the public debt
23% of the forign owned public debt.
 
2013-10-31 11:40:25 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: They own notes that say we'll pay them back for the notes.


That is not all.  They own enough notes that they can greatly impact the interest rates if they decide to dump.  Fortunatly for us, they are tied to our dollar and economy to the point that we have a vested mutual interest to keep things on solid footing.  For now.
 
2013-10-31 11:41:00 AM  
Replace China with Japan and you have 1985's headline.
 
2013-10-31 11:51:38 AM  

HeadLever: impaler: Even then they only own like 5% of our debt.

7.5% of the extended debt
10.5% of the public debt
23% of the forign owned public debt.


I checked, they own 8.1% of our T-Bills. The percentage of "foreign owned" doesn't mean much at all.
 
2013-10-31 11:51:57 AM  
$20 billion? In our $15 trillion economy?  Those bastards!
 
2013-10-31 11:53:13 AM  

HeadLever: impaler: Even then they only own like 5% of our debt.

7.5% of the extended debt
10.5% of the public debt
23% of the forign owned public debt.



China owns 1.3 trillion in debt, and everyone flips out. Meanwhile, Japan owns 1.1 trillion, and no one gives a shiat. And let's forget about the US citizens & businesses own ~5.7 trillion of the debt.
 
2013-10-31 12:03:21 PM  

MrSteve007: China owns 1.3 trillion in debt, and everyone flips out. Meanwhile, Japan owns 1.1 trillion, and no one gives a shiat. And let's forget about the US citizens & businesses own ~5.7 trillion of the debt.


And who owns the vast majority?  The US.
 
2013-10-31 12:06:00 PM  
I am also doing the reverse and invest in Chinese companies.  Because their stock is predicted to rise (an outsourcing pharma company)
 
2013-10-31 12:11:01 PM  
www.chinadaily.com.cn
 
2013-10-31 01:04:50 PM  

MrSteve007: China owns 1.3 trillion in debt, and everyone flips out. Meanwhile, Japan owns 1.1 trillion, and no one gives a shiat.


Moslty because Japan is a bit more friendly.
 
2013-10-31 01:45:28 PM  

Mentat: Replace China with Japan and you have 1985's headline.


Glad to see this covered.  Dayum, I'm old.  Everyone was freaking out and terrified that we were all going to be forced to learn Japanese to have a job.
 
2013-10-31 02:12:37 PM  

HeadLever: HotIgneous Intruder: They own notes that say we'll pay them back for the notes.

That is not all.  They own enough notes that they can greatly impact the interest rates if they decide to dump.  Fortunatly for us, they are tied to our dollar and economy to the point that we have a vested mutual interest to keep things on solid footing.  For now.


A lot of things would need to change in China for them to actually be in a position to dump those bonds in an attempt to become the reserve currency. As of now it be like them cutting off their leg to shoot us in the foot. They haven't had anything to off the world since paper and gun powder other than cheap labor. Their country and economy has some serious growing pains that are long overdue. With a population the size of China these things will only be amplified when they finally happen. Id be interested in what's really going on behind the scenes as far as the US economic goals and Chinas economic goals and what they are doing to push the other one out.
 
2013-10-31 02:15:51 PM  

cherryl taggart: Mentat: Replace China with Japan and you have 1985's headline.

Glad to see this covered.  Dayum, I'm old.  Everyone was freaking out and terrified that we were all going to be forced to learn Japanese to have a job.


Did you or did you not see Robocop 3?
 
2013-10-31 04:00:41 PM  
Once upon a time we flipped out about Japanese investment in the US.  They used to hold the biggest portion of US debt

Now China is in that position, and they are doing the same thing.   Investing all of that money

Someday, no will even notice when the Chinese-State Automaker buys GM or Ford
 
2013-10-31 04:14:08 PM  
chump change
 
2013-10-31 04:53:31 PM  
And how much exactly to Americans invest in China each year?

Pretty sure it's at least that much.
 
2013-10-31 04:58:06 PM  

cherryl taggart: Mentat: Replace China with Japan and you have 1985's headline.

Glad to see this covered.  Dayum, I'm old.  Everyone was freaking out and terrified that we were all going to be forced to learn Japanese to have a job.


So I wasn't the only one who thought of that.
 
2013-10-31 04:58:21 PM  

weiserfireman: Once upon a time we flipped out about Japanese investment in the US.  They used to hold the biggest portion of US debt


Sigh. When was this?

keepingamericagreat.org
Now China is in that position, and they are doing the same thing.   Investing all of that money

Someday, no will even notice when the Chinese-State Automaker buys GM or Ford


More sigh. European investment in Chrysler is OK, then? They aren't "foreign."
 
2013-10-31 05:14:27 PM  
cherryl taggart: Mentat: Replace China with Japan and you have 1985's headline.

Glad to see this covered.  Dayum, I'm old.  Everyone was freaking out and terrified that we were all going to be forced to learn Japanese to have a job.

Did you or did you not see Robocop 3?


you know DAMN WELL that nobody watched RoboCop 3!
 
2013-10-31 05:23:41 PM  

StopLurkListen: weiserfireman: Once upon a time we flipped out about Japanese investment in the US.  They used to hold the biggest portion of US debt

Sigh. When was this?


Late 80s, early 90s.

You do know that last year Japan jumped ahead of China as the largest holder of debt? Although it didn't last long.

Link
 
2013-10-31 07:33:59 PM  

tshea: MrSteve007: China owns 1.3 trillion in debt, and everyone flips out. Meanwhile, Japan owns 1.1 trillion, and no one gives a shiat. And let's forget about the US citizens & businesses own ~5.7 trillion of the debt.

And who owns the vast majority?  The US.


This.  Thank You.
 
2013-10-31 09:00:09 PM  
How does one owe themselves money? Also, why can't the US just write it off?
 
2013-11-01 01:30:46 AM  
So 1.3 T or so.
1.3 B people.
So about a thousand per person.
Ok, 1.3 T
320 million Americans.
So about 4 thousand per person.
15 T economy  divided by each American
That's about 47 thousand each.
Hmmm, coming off a really bad recession
And we are investing overseas too.

I think we are ok.  Not perfect, but ok.

Also I read about an average personal private wealth of about 250 thousand per American.  Also what are our public assets?  10 carrier groups, 120 NCAA Div One Football programs, etc.  gotta be a lot, yes?
 
2013-11-01 01:40:12 AM  
When the stock market goes up 10% that's worth about 2 T.  Current market cap of all US listed stocks are about 20 T.

During Jimmy Carter's term in office the US added 10.5 million jobs.  We can do that again if we keep the Republicans out of office.  10.5 million more taxpayers with continued gains in productivity will crush the crap out of our debt.
 
2013-11-01 03:16:52 AM  
Sina delenda est.
 
2013-11-01 07:28:18 AM  

DogBlack: When the stock market goes up 10% that's worth about 2 T.  Current market cap of all US listed stocks are about 20 T.

During Jimmy Carter's term in office the US added 10.5 million jobs.  We can do that again if we keep the Republicans out of office.  10.5 million more taxpayers with continued gains in productivity will crush the crap out of our debt.


????

The Republicans haven't held significant power in nearly five years. If only it were that easy.
 
2013-11-01 09:20:51 AM  
We have to keep the neocons out of the executive office.  No more Trillion dollar unhelpful military actions.  No more special tax rates for hedge funds.  Capital Gains and wages taxed the same.  A higher minimum wage.   Etc.  You are right that it isn't easy
 
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