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(USA Today)   Google+ sees a 58% increase in monthly users, new active accounts, people who have been in a coma for the past ten years and have never heard of Facebook   (usatoday.com) divider line 57
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2013-10-31 09:15:09 AM  
Burn google to the ground.  Also, shut up about google+ on youtube, you assholes, that's clear monopoly leveraging.
 
2013-10-31 09:16:37 AM  
It's not so shocking once you realize they force people to sign up for Google+ to use and comment on youtube.
 
2013-10-31 09:20:58 AM  
Or maybe people are sick of Facebook and their bullshiat app while using + more and more.
 
2013-10-31 09:23:50 AM  
It would be interesting to see how many people "use" it or just use it as cloud storage for their phone like I do
 
2013-10-31 09:25:00 AM  

ikanreed: Burn google to the ground.  Also, shut up about google+ on youtube, you assholes, that's clear monopoly leveraging.


yet you dont biatch about having to sign up for facebook to comment on facebook videos.
 
2013-10-31 09:25:28 AM  

YodaBlues: It's not so shocking once you realize they force people to sign up for Google+ to use and comment on youtube.


It's possible to comment without one, but trickier than it should be.

I ended up spawning a Google+ account without wanting one that way - clicking the wrong button trying to get rid of their interminable Youtube popups. They must be pretty damn desparate for users to resort to this crap
 
2013-10-31 09:26:10 AM  

YodaBlues: It's not so shocking once you realize they force people to sign up for Google+ to use and comment on youtube.


I've stopped signing into youtube because of that. And no, I want to use my real name on my youtube account like I want hot wax in my eyes.
 
2013-10-31 09:33:31 AM  
Google+, for me, is pretty similar to the way I used usenet 20 years ago. You go off and find the geek hobbies you are interested in and join those circles, and away you go.

Now, I'm sure that google would MUCH rather have it be about cat pictures and forwarding George Takei humor to all of your friends, like facebook has become.
 
2013-10-31 09:33:44 AM  
Seriously, it's just the YouTube account switching. They spam you with it until you give in.

/haven't given in
 
2013-10-31 09:41:28 AM  

snowshovel: Google+, for me, is pretty similar to the way I used usenet 20 years ago. You go off and find the geek hobbies you are interested in and join those circles, and away you go.

Now, I'm sure that google would MUCH rather have it be about cat pictures and forwarding George Takei humor to all of your friends, like facebook has become.


Agreed. Google+ isn't good as a Facebook replacement for family updates, but it's fantastic for hobby discussions and news. It seems to combine the best aspects of two  different social media outlets - blogs and message boards.
 
2013-10-31 09:42:43 AM  
Gmail users get constant notices about starting a Google plus account.  The influx is probably just people giving in and starting an account to make the notices disappear.
 
2013-10-31 09:47:44 AM  
Google can suck my dick. Between being basically forced to create a Google+ account if you want to use almost any other Google service, Youtube nagging for a real name all the time, the constant ads on the Youtube mobile app and the search results going way downhill (especially since I'm frequently finding now that they get cluttered up with "Play Store" app results arbitrarily shoved at the front even if whatever I searched for had nothing to do with an Android app) Google has managed to go from one of my favorite companies to one of my most despised.

It was bad enough when you were sucking up every last detail on me you could, at least you provided a good service in return. Now you're just useless assholes.
 
2013-10-31 09:48:12 AM  

Gunther: YodaBlues: It's not so shocking once you realize they force people to sign up for Google+ to use and comment on youtube.

It's possible to comment without one, but trickier than it should be.

I ended up spawning a Google+ account without wanting one that way - clicking the wrong button trying to get rid of their interminable Youtube popups. They must be pretty damn desparate for users to resort to this crap


Or you know, they own youtube and want to harmonize accounts across services? It sounds like a practical business move to me that makes total sense, not desperation. But then again I only had a youtube account in the first place so I could subscribe to channels. I have zero desire to comment on youtube videos.

Personally I like my integration across google services, and use chrome as well. It is pretty damn convenient given the amount of stuff we use google's cloud for at work.
 
2013-10-31 09:52:33 AM  

toby8915: It would be interesting to see how many people "use" it or just use it as cloud storage for their phone like I do


QFT

The last post of any of my friends on G+ was back in 2011 and it was "so.....is google plus still a thing?"
 
2013-10-31 09:54:36 AM  

ikanreed: Burn google to the ground.  Also, shut up about google+ on youtube, you assholes, that's clear monopoly leveraging.


Exactly.  Youtube is the only video website on the internet.  Clearly a monopoly.
 
2013-10-31 09:55:15 AM  

YodaBlues: It's not so shocking once you realize they force people to sign up for Google+ to use and comment on youtube.


Or comment on the Play store or use apps like Play Games, etc..  Plus the occasional sign into Gmail and PLEASE SIGN UP FOR PLUS screen you get
 
2013-10-31 09:55:49 AM  

entropic_existence: Or you know, they own youtube and want to harmonize accounts across services?


A Google account already does that. The Google+ "account" is an extension to your Google account. There is no evidence of any practicality here, it's just about trying to compete with Facebook. And failing. So they force it instead by leveraging their popular services to force the unpopular one on people.
 
2013-10-31 10:00:50 AM  
as someone who recently deleted his mostly unused google+ account, yeah.

Then again, it's Youtube comments, why in the hell would you want anything to do with that? Watch your video, avoid scrolling down at all costs.
 
2013-10-31 10:00:59 AM  

entropic_existence: Or you know, they own youtube and want to harmonize accounts across services?


Then they should ask once and not constantly bug you about it.


entropic_existence:Personally I like my integration across google services, and use chrome as well. It is pretty damn convenient given the amount of stuff we use google's cloud for at work.

I'm happy you're happy, but other people have different preferences. I don't want a Google+ account and I don't like a company that tries to manipulate me into using their less popular products.
 
2013-10-31 10:04:45 AM  
I like Google+ more than I like Facebook, except no one I routinely interact with is ever on Google+

It's a way better platform for online interaction and information/media sharing though. From my perspective, at least.
 
2013-10-31 10:12:22 AM  
They are pushing people of iGoogle tomorrow.  I wonder if the two are connected?
 
2013-10-31 10:13:46 AM  

Gunther: Then they should ask once and not constantly bug you about it.


Actually, if I were in charge, I wouldn't even ask. I'd force you to convert your YouTube account to a G+ account. One account, across all services. That's just me, though. I'm an evil overlord.

//I use Google+, but I don't use Google search. I'm like a weird space alien for Google.
 
2013-10-31 10:35:44 AM  

YodaBlues: It's not so shocking once you realize they force people to sign up for Google+ to use and comment on youtube.


This. Went to check my gmail account and it asked me to update my info for the G+ page I never made.
 
2013-10-31 10:37:42 AM  
Google makes my life easier. Google Maps, Google Wallet, Gmail, Google drive, Youtube, Google Music. Facebook makes people more depressed and shows me vacation photos from people I haven't talked to in years. If we ever have to divide into teams and fight for only one of the companies to survive put me on team G.
 
2013-10-31 10:43:11 AM  
I'm in the process of dumping google for everything.  My final straw was when they started putting social 'reviews and recommendations' into search results.  I went looking in the settings for a way to turn that off.  Nope.  It can only be turned off as an option FROM YOUR GOOGLE+ ACCOUNT.  Don't have one and don't want to sign up?  Too bad.  Google is moving their functionality tool set behind having to have a google+ account.
 
2013-10-31 10:47:14 AM  

t3knomanser: Actually, if I were in charge, I wouldn't even ask. I'd force you to convert your YouTube account to a G+ account. One account, across all services. That's just me, though. I'm an evil overlord.


I think this is what they are going towards, or trying anyway. They are just trying to get people to opt-in instead of forcing them. But I'm with you, I'd just convert everything into a single integrated google account, and the social aspect of google would just be part of it.

meat0918: They are pushing people of iGoogle tomorrow.  I wonder if the two are connected?


AFAIK is is just because they are closing iGoogle. Bits and pieces of its functionality have been integrated into other google services, and yeah, I think they want it to be replaced mostly by G+.
 
2013-10-31 11:04:22 AM  
It is because they constantly try to trick you into linking Google+ with your YouTube account.
No, I don't want to use my real name, assholes.
FOAD.
 
2013-10-31 11:10:53 AM  

snowshovel: Google+, for me, is pretty similar to the way I used usenet 20 years ago. You go off and find the geek hobbies you are interested in and join those circles, and away you go.

Now, I'm sure that google would MUCH rather have it be about cat pictures and forwarding George Takei humor to all of your friends, like facebook has become.


This.  It's basically a news feed for all the tech, sports, and news sites I'd normally check.
 
2013-10-31 11:13:33 AM  

YodaBlues: It's not so shocking once you realize they force people to sign up for Google+ to use and comment on youtube.


Google+ is forced upon all who use Gmail. Its completely a fabricated number. I turn it off, but its still there and I'm still counted as an active user.
 
2013-10-31 11:21:45 AM  
Fark Google! What is the reason behind getting rid of iGoogle anyways? It makes no sense......
 
2013-10-31 11:24:08 AM  

Nemo's Brother: YodaBlues: It's not so shocking once you realize they force people to sign up for Google+ to use and comment on youtube.

Google+ is forced upon all who use Gmail. Its completely a fabricated number. I turn it off, but its still there and I'm still counted as an active user.



They tricked you.  It is not required... yet.

Google started trying to unify accounts for everything into a 'google account' a year or two back, which for the moment is separate from the google+ account.  (from the outside anyway).  Going from a google account to having a google+ account takes user actions.

/No I don't want you to have my phone# either, Google.
/Stop asking
 
2013-10-31 11:28:16 AM  
I know more people every month who give up on fb and turned to g+ for their social media. Any competition at all is usually a good thing.
 
2013-10-31 11:42:43 AM  

BafflerMeal: I'm in the process of dumping google for everything.


Good luck with that. Seems about as enjoyable as going no car plus all-local vegan only.
 
2013-10-31 11:51:01 AM  

blacknite: yet you dont biatch about having to sign up for facebook to comment on facebook videos.


Facebook has videos? Who knew!

/still not interested
 
2013-10-31 12:18:18 PM  

waterrockets: BafflerMeal: I'm in the process of dumping google for everything.

Good luck with that. Seems about as enjoyable as going no car plus all-local vegan only.



Not really.  I already use other search engines.  Youtube, maps, google earth, etc... can be viewed without signing in or an account.  And I'm taking my 'drive' simple docs down and using local apps.  I've already exported all of my gmail and data too.

Realistically having a google account and using their services doesn't add much to my life at best, and at worst is a waste of time.

/Is a technologist
 
2013-10-31 12:22:32 PM  

BafflerMeal: /Is a technologist


I take it you are Canadian. No one else would try to use that term in a serious way.
 
2013-10-31 12:26:10 PM  
Has that Duck Duck Go thing gotten it's shiat together yet, or are search engine alternatives still limited to Yahoo and Bing?
 
2013-10-31 12:27:48 PM  
This is because they are forcing people who have youtube or gmail accounts to automatically generate google+ accounts.  It's a fraud.
 
2013-10-31 12:48:51 PM  
Bring back the black bar!
 
2013-10-31 12:54:47 PM  

entropic_existence: t3knomanser: Actually, if I were in charge, I wouldn't even ask. I'd force you to convert your YouTube account to a G+ account. One account, across all services. That's just me, though. I'm an evil overlord.

I think this is what they are going towards, or trying anyway. They are just trying to get people to opt-in instead of forcing them. But I'm with you, I'd just convert everything into a single integrated google account, and the social aspect of google would just be part of it.

meat0918: They are pushing people of iGoogle tomorrow.  I wonder if the two are connected?

AFAIK is is just because they are closing iGoogle. Bits and pieces of its functionality have been integrated into other google services, and yeah, I think they want it to be replaced mostly by G+.


I guess I'll go see what Marissa is offering.   Google farked up Web Picasa as well, so I'm in the process of downloading all the albums and heading off to a different service.
 
2013-10-31 01:10:28 PM  

verbaltoxin: Has that Duck Duck Go thing gotten it's shiat together yet, or are search engine alternatives still limited to Yahoo and Bing?


I've been using it for awhile now and it seems fine to me. I actually like their Youtube results far better, the search results have been as good as or better and you don't have to worry about them sticking a flashlight up your ass to see what's new with you every time you visit the site. I even made a domain-wide exception for them in AdBlock and I very, very rarely do that for any site.

The only thing that's still not there is image search, but it's very easy to pass the search off to another engine like Google, Bing or even Tumblr.

I also replaced Gmail with Hushmail Premium. For $50 a year it's been very much worth it.
 
2013-10-31 01:10:46 PM  

BafflerMeal: Realistically having a google account and using their services doesn't add much to my life at best, and at worst is a waste of time


As opposed to leveraging their economies of scale in utilizing all Google's free services you are setting up services with disparate providers that have no information sharing and must be acted on individually.  But Google is a waste of time?

I don't think you've thought your cunning plan all the way through.
 
2013-10-31 01:21:51 PM  
Is Google trying to become the new Apple or even AOL? Will they segregate the internet into Google and non-Google? Will a simple GIS need a Google account linked to it some day?
 
2013-10-31 01:43:19 PM  

BolloxReader: Is Google trying to become the new Apple or even AOL? Will they segregate the internet into Google and non-Google? Will a simple GIS need a Google account linked to it some day?


Soon we'll just call it "G," and consider it near god.
 
2013-10-31 03:48:13 PM  

entropic_existence: Or you know, they own youtube and want to harmonize accounts across services?


No. fark that. Everyone should have about three accounts of everything online -- a personal account (for friends and family), a professional account (for clients, businesses and employers), and a public account (for goofing off/stupid shiat...Fark, for instance). These accounts should not have to intersect for any reason or they run the risk of compromising an individual's privacy or reputation.

And it floors me that Google doesn't understand this.
 
2013-10-31 04:41:57 PM  
They replaced the Google Talk app on my mobile devices with Google Hangouts, which I suspect adds me to the list of active G+ users.

/I do have a G+ account
//Haven't made more than two posts to it and the last was like a week after it launched
 
2013-10-31 04:46:18 PM  

Ishkur: entropic_existence: Or you know, they own youtube and want to harmonize accounts across services?

No. fark that. Everyone should have about three accounts of everything online -- a personal account (for friends and family), a professional account (for clients, businesses and employers), and a public account (for goofing off/stupid shiat...Fark, for instance). These accounts should not have to intersect for any reason or they run the risk of compromising an individual's privacy or reputation.

And it floors me that Google doesn't understand this.


Spot on. When I load up Chrome at work I *really* don't want to run the risk of my porn bookmarks from home showing up.
 
2013-10-31 05:41:45 PM  
Upside of Google+ is that apps can't spam your friends or clog up your feed because Google disallows this, except for Google+ Pages which can be unfollowed. Also has a much cleaner interface than Facebook, along with photo auto backup, auto enhance, and searching your backed up photos with keywords like cat, dog, etc. That last bit is a killer feature Google really should be advertising.
 
2013-10-31 07:55:31 PM  

Ishkur: entropic_existence: Or you know, they own youtube and want to harmonize accounts across services?

No. fark that. Everyone should have about three accounts of everything online -- a personal account (for friends and family), a professional account (for clients, businesses and employers), and a public account (for goofing off/stupid shiat...Fark, for instance). These accounts should not have to intersect for any reason or they run the risk of compromising an individual's privacy or reputation.

And it floors me that Google doesn't understand this.


I have more than one Google account. It isn't exactly something that is terribly difficult to do. Google harmonizing accounts across their services doesn't prevent this at all.

Msol: Ishkur: entropic_existence: Or you know, they own youtube and want to harmonize accounts across services?

No. fark that. Everyone should have about three accounts of everything online -- a personal account (for friends and family), a professional account (for clients, businesses and employers), and a public account (for goofing off/stupid shiat...Fark, for instance). These accounts should not have to intersect for any reason or they run the risk of compromising an individual's privacy or reputation.

And it floors me that Google doesn't understand this.

Spot on. When I load up Chrome at work I *really* don't want to run the risk of my porn bookmarks from home showing up.


Well you can use multiple google accounts. Or you can not sync your bookmarks. Or you can not bookmark porn and browse it in incognito mode. Or you can use a different browser for your porn.
 
2013-10-31 08:54:03 PM  

entropic_existence: I have more than one Google account. It isn't exactly something that is terribly difficult to do.


Okay, I need your assistance then:

Can you tell Google to stop trying to sync my Youtube account with my gmail account and my gtalk account? I don't want them to be the same. They are separate entities.
 
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