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(ABC)   Female psychology professor releases study claiming gossip, back stabbing and shunning "hardwired" in women. Female colleague skeptical of analysis, says it's "as erratic and misguided as that thing she did at last year's Christmas party"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 66
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2013-10-30 07:29:58 PM
Yeah, but it is males who are primarily responsible for very bad thing that happens to females, right?
 
2013-10-30 07:46:04 PM
Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.
 
2013-10-30 07:53:01 PM
Oh. I see we're having a misogyny night again.
 
2013-10-30 08:00:53 PM

ginandbacon: Oh. I see we're having a misogyny night again.


Oh for god's sake will you get off it.
 
2013-10-30 08:11:04 PM
Catfight!
 
2013-10-30 08:20:06 PM
I'm sure this thread will be filled with nothing but enlightened, progressive comments espousing gender equality.
 
2013-10-30 08:23:14 PM

doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.


And for the most men can put aside their differences and work with somebody they can't stand to get a job done. Good luck doing that with a group of women. I always hear from women that they hate working with groups of women and prefer working with men because there isn't the pettiness.
 
2013-10-30 08:26:26 PM
I have worked for two organizations where I was the only male. Never again.
 
2013-10-30 08:26:29 PM
Wait a second, I hate woman-hating circlejerks as much as anyone, but does anyone have any actual objections to the findings here?

Or are you just trying to look all progressive and enlightened by pre-emptively calling "misogyny!"

If they released a study saying men were naturally physically aggressive, nobody would bat an eyelid.
 
2013-10-30 08:27:10 PM
I blame the patriarchy
 
2013-10-30 08:29:36 PM

spamdog: Wait a second, I hate woman-hating circlejerks as much as anyone, but does anyone have any actual objections to the findings here?

Or are you just trying to look all progressive and enlightened by pre-emptively calling "misogyny!"

If they released a study saying men were naturally physically aggressive, nobody would bat an eyelid.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-10-30 08:39:42 PM
Any woman will tell you that.
 
2013-10-30 08:46:29 PM
She sounds like a dumb, skank, whore.
 
2013-10-30 09:03:40 PM

spamdog: Wait a second, I hate woman-hating circlejerks as much as anyone, but does anyone have any actual objections to the findings here?

Or are you just trying to look all progressive and enlightened by pre-emptively calling "misogyny!"

If they released a study saying men were naturally physically aggressive, nobody would bat an eyelid.


Ah yes, reverse misogyny, like reverse racism. Or the deadly reverse vampire.

All my co-workers hate each other, or at least love to kavitch about each other. As the new guy, I am the odd man out (in a group consisting 80% dudes) and no one likes me. We all hate each other, but; come quitting time, then it is all smiles and sunshine.

Now that we have a new NEW guy, the haterade bar is open and now they all hate on him.

/yes, now I too hate my co-workers
//It's a vicious "high school never ends" circle i am in
 
2013-10-30 09:15:12 PM

Barfmaker: ginandbacon: Oh. I see we're having a misogyny night again.

Oh for god's sake will you get off it.


Fark does trend towards "Lost Boys" club.
 
2013-10-30 09:18:02 PM

AppleOptionEsc: Ah yes, reverse misogyny, like reverse racism


No, sorry, that's not what I'm suggesting.
 
2013-10-30 09:25:25 PM

Karma Chameleon: I have worked for two organizations where I was the only male. Never again.


You should really give us some stories.  Fark is all about CSB or CSS.
 
2013-10-30 09:29:30 PM
Also, when men are the victim of a gossip attack they are often oblivious, Vaillancourt said the research showed.

I have to admit, I have some difficulty thinking of a time when I have witnessed any men paying attention to gossip attacks (political rumor mongering doesn't count.)
 
2013-10-30 09:30:04 PM
It's more of a social animal thing than a vagina thing.  You either accept it as a part of life or try to selectively breed us back to being solitary, narcissistic creatures.  Like sloths, shrews, and  skunks.
 
2013-10-30 10:00:06 PM
Are women more likely to express their discontent with a situation?
 
2013-10-30 10:37:41 PM

ongbok: doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.

And for the most men can put aside their differences and work with somebody they can't stand to get a job done. Good luck doing that with a group of women. I always hear from women that they hate working with groups of women and prefer working with men because there isn't the pettiness.


Women do love a good gangbang.
 
2013-10-30 11:01:12 PM

2wolves: Barfmaker: ginandbacon: Oh. I see we're having a misogyny night again.

Oh for god's sake will you get off it.

Fark does trend towards "Lost Boys" club.


This I won't argue with because it's true, but trotting out the misogynist label when it's just guys biatching about women is like the thread where they compared the kid who got suspended for wearing a pro-gun t-shirt to school with the courage displayed by Rosa Parks.

And yesterday someone also trotted out the label when there was no misogyny present. It has become a technique to bully commenters and using it for that impairs the ability to get heard above the din when it's really present.

We don't need to constantly go to the top shelf for our words.
 
2013-10-30 11:19:52 PM
biatches ain't shiat but hoes and tricks.

/rowr....fffffffft.
 
2013-10-30 11:29:01 PM

Barfmaker: 2wolves: Barfmaker: ginandbacon: Oh. I see we're having a misogyny night again.

Oh for god's sake will you get off it.

Fark does trend towards "Lost Boys" club.

This I won't argue with because it's true, but trotting out the misogynist label when it's just guys biatching about women is like the thread where they compared the kid who got suspended for wearing a pro-gun t-shirt to school with the courage displayed by Rosa Parks.

And yesterday someone also trotted out the label when there was no misogyny present. It has become a technique to bully commenters and using it for that impairs the ability to get heard above the din when it's really present.

We don't need to constantly go to the top shelf for our words.


You mean like how a number of farkers like to call some crazed nutjob from an article a sociopath despite no actual sociopathic symptoms being described?
 
2013-10-30 11:55:37 PM

Barfmaker: 2wolves: Barfmaker: ginandbacon: Oh. I see we're having a misogyny night again.

Oh for god's sake will you get off it.

Fark does trend towards "Lost Boys" club.

This I won't argue with because it's true, but trotting out the misogynist label when it's just guys biatching about women is like the thread where they compared the kid who got suspended for wearing a pro-gun t-shirt to school with the courage displayed by Rosa Parks.

And yesterday someone also trotted out the label when there was no misogyny present. It has become a technique to bully commenters and using it for that impairs the ability to get heard above the din when it's really present.

We don't need to constantly go to the top shelf for our words.


I thought it was the first word a feminist uttered when she woke up.
 
2013-10-31 12:13:05 AM

doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.


And what a lovely job the men have done ruling the world. Women are crazy, but I feel confident in saying that the world wont be half as farked up if women were in charge.
 
2013-10-31 12:21:37 AM

ongbok: I always hear from women that they hate working with groups of women and prefer working with men because there isn't the pettiness.


Over the decades, I've asked several men and women (in corporate environments) which sex they prefer working for. Almost all of them said they would prefer to work for a man, and those who didn't say that said they had no preference. When I asked these folks why they prefer working for a man, the men generally responded that female bosses tend to bring their personal problems to work and take it out on their employees. The women almost unanimously stated that female bosses tend to be harder on them (the female employees) than they are on their male counterparts.

For what it's worth, my personal experience has been that female bosses try too hard to prove they're in charge, tending to overcompensate in the hard-ass attitude department.
 
2013-10-31 12:36:41 AM

Fallout Boy: doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.

And what a lovely job the men have done ruling the world. Women are crazy, but I feel confident in saying that the world wont be half as farked up if women were in charge.


Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, what's-that-sabre-rattling-biatch's-name in Argentina, Queen Elizabeth, etc. Power doesn't ever get wielded any too much differently.
 
2013-10-31 12:53:00 AM

Fark Me To Tears: ongbok: I always hear from women that they hate working with groups of women and prefer working with men because there isn't the pettiness.

Over the decades, I've asked several men and women (in corporate environments) which sex they prefer working for. Almost all of them said they would prefer to work for a man, and those who didn't say that said they had no preference. When I asked these folks why they prefer working for a man, the men generally responded that female bosses tend to bring their personal problems to work and take it out on their employees. The women almost unanimously stated that female bosses tend to be harder on them (the female employees) than they are on their male counterparts.

For what it's worth, my personal experience has been that female bosses try too hard to prove they're in charge, tending to overcompensate in the hard-ass attitude department.


FWIW, almost all of the female bosses I've had were insecure biatches, but I'm pretty sure they were like that before they became a boss. My current boss, a female, is fantastic, but is also probably the most well-adjusted person I've ever met. Male bosses are another story. The only good one I had turned out to be gay, and the rest seemed to think I needed big words explained or didn't know how to do something basic like send a fax.

This is just my experience, though.
 
2013-10-31 12:55:20 AM

Fallout Boy: doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.

And what a lovely job the men have done ruling the world. Women are crazy, but I feel confident in saying that the world wont be half as farked up if women were in charge.


You didn't pay attention in your history class, did you?
 
2013-10-31 01:19:52 AM
I have never experienced the level of cattiness that women are typically associated with.  I think it has to deal with the type of people you are around.  All the women I hang out with are nerds or engineers, and I'm an easygoing person that no one considers a romantic rival or interest, so I've had a lot of great friendships with women.

/31 year old woman
 
2013-10-31 02:04:35 AM
evolutionary psychology is bullshiat.
 
2013-10-31 02:21:09 AM

astrochelonian: I have never experienced the level of cattiness that women are typically associated with.  I think it has to deal with the type of people you are around.  All the women I hang out with are nerds or engineers, and I'm an easygoing person that no one considers a romantic rival or interest, so I've had a lot of great friendships with women.

/31 year old woman


Try waiting tables.
 
2013-10-31 02:32:55 AM
I once listened to a group of woman talk about an absent girl that was all their  friend,  one piped up how she flirted with her boyfriend once, they went are around the table each on adding some "gossip" untill she was a dirty whore that never bathed and neglected her children and banged four black guys a day and sucked dick for the rent and miscellaneous items and sundries.

I once said to a group of women that I thought that girls in high school where especial cruel with their bullying , they went around the table saying that I was a misogynistic , woman hating , sexist , member of the patriarchy and a MRA , that probably abuses or rapes women ( i am kidding but I bet they said that after I left
 
2013-10-31 03:09:56 AM

Magic_Button: I once listened to a group of woman talk about an absent girl that was all their  friend,  one piped up how she flirted with her boyfriend once, they went are around the table each on adding some "gossip" untill she was a dirty whore that never bathed and neglected her children and banged four black guys a day and sucked dick for the rent and miscellaneous items and sundries.

I once said to a group of women that I thought that girls in high school where especial cruel with their bullying , they went around the table saying that I was a misogynistic , woman hating , sexist , member of the patriarchy and a MRA , that probably abuses or rapes women ( i am kidding but I bet they said that after I left


Someone once called me an MRA because I said I wasn't a rapist.
 
2013-10-31 03:25:06 AM
I worked cooking at a country club for 6 years. We were the help and therefore beneath notice and concern. One sunday afternoon while working the omelet station on the brunch buffet a woman and her daughter came in to get their first course. Aside fr the three of us the room was empty of people. The two 'ladies' had their usual conversation about not eating too much and how fat they both were (they were both a LONG way from fat) and had selected when anothrr woman (also not at all fat) came in and started looking the food over as well. They all knew each other and said hello, passing pleasantries that were pretty much meaningless. Air kisses were involed. Compliments and self self depreciations were exchanged. This lasted a couple of minutes at most. The solo lady made her selection and just before leaving said to the other lady how she wished she could could eat that (the woman's choice for a first course) but if she did it would go right to her thighs and she didnt want to get fat. More air kisses, requests and promises to get together soon for tennis and the solo lady left. The mother and daughter watched her go, smiling the entire time. As soon as she was out of earshot the mother turned to the daughter and said "I hate that biatch" then smiled. They laughed, took their food and left. I'm 6 ft tall 280 lbs wearing a chef jacket apron and toque. They never even looked at me. And I just stood there after they were gone shaking my head thinking to myself "I'm glad I'm a dude."
 
2013-10-31 04:57:35 AM

astrochelonian: I have never experienced the level of cattiness that women are typically associated with.  I think it has to deal with the type of people you are around.  All the women I hang out with are nerds or engineers, and I'm an easygoing person that no one considers a romantic rival or interest, so I've had a lot of great friendships with women.

/31 year old woman


This, it's all about the quality of the people regardless of gender.
 
2013-10-31 05:01:48 AM

inthesticks: astrochelonian: I have never experienced the level of cattiness that women are typically associated with.  I think it has to deal with the type of people you are around.  All the women I hang out with are nerds or engineers, and I'm an easygoing person that no one considers a romantic rival or interest, so I've had a lot of great friendships with women.

/31 year old woman

This, it's all about the quality of the people regardless of gender.


Exactly. If you're of low quality, the other women will leave you alone.
 
2013-10-31 05:52:46 AM

Fallout Boy: doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.

And what a lovely job the men have done ruling the world. Women are crazy, but I feel confident in saying that the world wont be half as farked up if women were in charge.


Meh. You might be disappointed. In my observation, men and women aren't nearly as different as they like to think they are.
 
2013-10-31 06:35:42 AM

jso2897: Fallout Boy: doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.

And what a lovely job the men have done ruling the world. Women are crazy, but I feel confident in saying that the world wont be half as farked up if women were in charge.

Meh. You might be disappointed. In my observation, men and women aren't nearly as different as they like to think they are.


This.

Fafai: inthesticks: astrochelonian: I have never experienced the level of cattiness that women are typically associated with.  I think it has to deal with the type of people you are around.  All the women I hang out with are nerds or engineers, and I'm an easygoing person that no one considers a romantic rival or interest, so I've had a lot of great friendships with women.

/31 year old woman

This, it's all about the quality of the people regardless of gender.

Exactly. If you're of low quality, the other women will leave you alone.


Not getting the attention you crave, huh?
 
2013-10-31 07:07:40 AM

listernine: I blame the patriarchy


The male-o-centric male-ocracy
 
2013-10-31 07:58:11 AM

inthesticks: jso2897: Fallout Boy: doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.

And what a lovely job the men have done ruling the world. Women are crazy, but I feel confident in saying that the world wont be half as farked up if women were in charge.

Meh. You might be disappointed. In my observation, men and women aren't nearly as different as they like to think they are.

This.

Fafai: inthesticks: astrochelonian: I have never experienced the level of cattiness that women are typically associated with.  I think it has to deal with the type of people you are around.  All the women I hang out with are nerds or engineers, and I'm an easygoing person that no one considers a romantic rival or interest, so I've had a lot of great friendships with women.

/31 year old woman

This, it's all about the quality of the people regardless of gender.

Exactly. If you're of low quality, the other women will leave you alone.

Not getting the attention you crave, huh?


I'm happy to report you're as wrong as wrong can be. Especially today being Halloween! You don't think we've got our quickie scheduled in advance? Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet Superman's dick and bounced up and down with her tits in his face.
 
2013-10-31 08:02:38 AM

Fallout Boy: doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.

And what a lovely job the men have done ruling the world. Women are crazy, but I feel confident in saying that the world wont be half as farked up if women were in charge.


Heh. That's just funny. You wouldn't know this, but I'm Cherokee. Ours was a Matriarchal society. Women were in absolute control of home, clan, and village. They had a direct say in waging war, and sometimes went to war themselves in place of their fallen husbands, fathers, brothers, and sons. If we weren't currently in a war, we started one. But in matters of war, do you know what what one of the things the women had exclusive rights to, and regularly practiced?

If we happened to bring any prisoners back who were over a certain age, the women jealously guarded their right to pass judgement upon, and then torture to death said prisoners. Slowly. To make them disgrace themselves by showing weakness. To make them scream despite all efforts to stop themselves.

No. I daresay between that and the history of European, as well as other female wielders of power, it would indeed be no better if women were in charge. I'm not saying that it would be worse, but certainly no better. We're all still human. All still descended from apes. Those traits don't change much at all across the sexes.

I have a final thought to leave you with. Did you know they've done FMRI studies of male/female temper and aggression? It turns out that men's brains are far less able to restrain aggressive urges when aroused by strong emotion (holding our temper) than women. However, even when we lose our temper, even if we're only marginally well-adjusted, we maintain a modicum of control and semi-rational thought. There are unspoken rules of conduct. Over many, many millenia, we have found ways to formalize aggression and emotional outburst. There is a beginning, and there is an end. This is why a fight between two males can often be stopped simply by putting yourself between them, and separating them. You are not the intended target of their wrath. An arbiter neutral party. Which is also a formal role, and generally respected. In that moment, it is understood by all that while the reason for the fight may not be finished, the fight is. It should be noted that women generally find such a loss of control shameful, and seek to moderate the situation before it can happen, or stop it once it does via various means before someone is seriously injured, or further disgraces themselves with such unrestrained conduct.

Conversely, while women are far better at holding their temper for far longer, when they do finally lose control of their aggressive impulses, they lose ALL control over them. They lose their shiat completely.

As any man or woman who's been on the business end of it could tell you, they become astonishingly aggressive and irrational, visiting correspondingly unpredictable levels of violence upon their victim, as well as any and all who would so much as dare to interfere. This is why you let a fist-fight between women wind itself down as they become exhausted, if possible. Because otherwise, they both turn on you. And because they very well may not stop until seriously maimed, and/or pulled apart. It should also be noted that men find such loss of control when engaging in open combat shameful, and will seek to moderate the situation through various means, including instant public admonishment, ridicule of technique to change focus, or simply ending it abruptly by force before someone is further injured or further disgraces themselves with such unrestrained conduct.

On this and many other levels, men and women have long ago evolved to balance one another. In either a completely male or female group, if there is even one member of the opposite sex present, it drastically changes the group's behavior, most often in the direction of moderating negative insular behaviors. We're meant to work together, just each in our own way. There should be neither men nor women in charge. There should be men AND women in charge. It is the only sustainable course.
 
2013-10-31 08:06:04 AM

jso2897: Meh. You might be disappointed. In my observation, men and women aren't nearly as different as they like to think they are.


Men do not hold grudges the way women do.

Women can call someone a biatch or asshole for DECADES and remain just as fired up about their behavior as they were on the day it happened.

Men?  We yell, get into fisticuffs, forget why we were fighting and go have a beer. Men can form friendships from physical confrontations.

Women tend to fight for self defense, not to prove dominance. This makes them MUCH more vicious.

It's man code never to kick a guy in the nuts in a fight. The fight's about dominance, not damage.  Women instead go for the nuts first. Then the hair, as a way to get at your eyes. They fight to cause damage.

/Men leave bruises, women leave scars.
 
2013-10-31 08:14:03 AM
Uh oh, "some women do some things sometimes" pointing it out must be an attempt to keep them down!
Isn't arguing that studying interpersonal relationships is misogyny, kinda proving that to collect data to show a result is discriminatory?
 
2013-10-31 09:04:18 AM

ginandbacon: Oh. I see we're having a misogyny night again.


I wish I had one word that would pidgeonhole and belittle everything I read online or IRL that I don't like the sound of.

Oh, I do: libtard.
 
2013-10-31 09:16:59 AM
All my bosses have been women.  I'm currently the only male executive at my state agency.  So I'm getting a kick.....

Women and men are wired differently.  Hundreds of millenia of evolution doesn't just go away when some critical mass of gender studies professors agrees that "gender is a social construct".   In general, we're good at different things

If I need a CFO or a comptroller or a bookkeeper, I'm hiring a women, all other things being equal.  If I need a creative project completed quickly, with no bullshiat dragging it down, I'll hire a man, all other things being equal.
 
2013-10-31 09:19:34 AM

Fallout Boy: doglover: Men rule the world of war not because they're stronger on average or in any way smarter or more agressive in battle, but because they can cooperate in a group larger than two for more than 48 hours.

And what a lovely job the men have done ruling the world. Women are crazy, but I feel confident in saying that the world wont be half as farked up if women were in charge.


I don't know about that. Very differently farked up, to be sure: maybe even so differently farked up that it doesn't make much sense to compare the two worlds at all. But less farked up? I have some pretty severe doubts about that.
 
2013-10-31 09:22:26 AM

FLMountainMan: If I need a CFO or a comptroller or a bookkeeper, I'm hiring a women, all other things being equal. If I need a creative project completed quickly, with no bullshiat dragging it down, I'll hire a man, all other things being equal.


Seriously.  My last corporate gig, almost everyone in finance and book keeping and HR were women.

IT? Almost exclusively men, save 2 women who we considered superheros, for tackling the horrible mess that is Lotus notes and being damn good at their job. Those 2 women NEVER caused any drama. We treated them like anyone else. With respect.

Engineering? Almost exclusively men.

Marketing  was a 50/50 split between men and women.

Executive board was Male heavy, but there were women in all levels of the company.

/oh my god, what a sexist place, it's not 48% male 52% female split of workers, like there is in the real world.
 
2013-10-31 09:25:52 AM

FLMountainMan: All my bosses have been women.  I'm currently the only male executive at my state agency.  So I'm getting a kick.....

Women and men are wired differently.  Hundreds of millenia of evolution doesn't just go away when some critical mass of gender studies professors agrees that "gender is a social construct".   In general, we're good at different things

If I need a CFO or a comptroller or a bookkeeper, I'm hiring a women, all other things being equal.  If I need a creative project completed quickly, with no bullshiat dragging it down, I'll hire a man, all other things being equal.


And if you needed a sammich made? Who would you hire?
 
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