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2013-10-30 08:34:39 PM  
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2013-10-30 08:40:13 PM  
Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode
 
2013-10-30 08:41:25 PM  
Neither did The Wire actors. Hey, look, it's D'Angelo Barksdale and Tully!
 
2013-10-30 08:44:20 PM  
They probably smell awful.
 
2013-10-30 08:50:35 PM  
Comparing them to Mad Men is kind of silly. Mad Men has caused a huge "Yay the 60's!" pop culture thing, and has blended into pop culture in ways that people who don't even watch the show are affected. The Walking Dead has nothing comparable, and is more of a rider on the coattails of a much wider cultural phenomenon.

Of course the Mad Men stars get more interviews and the like.
 
2013-10-30 08:51:10 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode


Eh..... this. I watch it because i want it to be good, not because it is good. Actually haven't seen this season yet.
 
2013-10-30 08:56:48 PM  
The show isn't so good that you can say "That's good acting." and even if it was there's so few epoisodes per year you forget...
 
2013-10-30 08:58:18 PM  
The show runner is phoning it in.

The writers follow suit and phone it in.

The acting talent may as well phone it in.
 
2013-10-30 09:27:56 PM  
The baby is a pretty convincing baby.
 
2013-10-30 10:29:27 PM  
i dont know if its the acting or the writing but everyone is very one dimensional.
 
2013-10-30 11:30:12 PM  
The only time you like a character....they kill them off.
 
2013-10-31 12:00:29 AM  

Sid_6.7: Comparing them to Mad Men is kind of silly. Mad Men has caused a huge "Yay the 60's!" pop culture thing, and has blended into pop culture in ways that people who don't even watch the show are affected. The Walking Dead has nothing comparable, and is more of a rider on the coattails of a much wider cultural phenomenon.

Of course the Mad Men stars get more interviews and the like.


Well, yeah, but the actors on Mad Men get to play roles that really show them off and demonstrate their talent.  The roles on Walking Dead seem like they could be played by just about anyone with a SAG card.
 
2013-10-31 01:01:18 AM  
It's all about the zombie and kills. And that girl's awful singing.
 
2013-10-31 01:05:00 AM  
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2013-10-31 01:05:01 AM  
I enjoy the show. I know it's passe to enjoy it here on Fark, but I like it.

Thing is, none of the actors really stick out -- I think Daryl is probably one of the better actors on the show, but he's been established for quite some time. I honestly think the best actor on the show was Dale and he bit it in the first season.
 
2013-10-31 01:10:36 AM  

Mr.Poops: I enjoy the show. I know it's passe to enjoy it here on Fark, but I like it.

Thing is, none of the actors really stick out -- I think Daryl is probably one of the better actors on the show, but he's been established for quite some time. I honestly think the best actor on the show was Dale and he bit it in the first season.


1. You can't be farking serious.
2. He died in the second season. Wait, are we talking about the same character?
 
2013-10-31 01:11:54 AM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode


Why do you keep watching it?

/Gave up after four episodes. Anything remotely decent would hook me at least a little by then.
 
2013-10-31 01:16:38 AM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode


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2013-10-31 01:18:40 AM  
Lauren Cohan is famous in my pants. Ever since she went fully topless in The Rise of Taj.
 
2013-10-31 01:19:57 AM  
I enjoy that show so much that I've decided not to watch it at all this season.
 
2013-10-31 01:20:08 AM  

Confabulat: Neither did The Wire actors. Hey, look, it's D'Angelo Barksdale and Tully!


D was famous before The Wire. Don't you remember him from the Waterboy?

Lol
 
2013-10-31 01:25:52 AM  

Confabulat: Neither did The Wire actors. Hey, look, it's D'Angelo Barksdale and Tully!


Idris Elba is getting some pretty good exposure recently. Also The Wire was more of a critical success than a commercial one.
 
2013-10-31 01:28:39 AM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode


You know, you've hit on something here... The Walking Dead is one of the worst shows I continue to watch. I think its the acting. I really like the actors, I just wish they had better material to work with.
 
2013-10-31 01:29:47 AM  
They aren't the real stars.  The zombies are the real stars.  Without the zombies all you have are a bunch of idiots running around messing everything up.
 
2013-10-31 01:35:49 AM  

Bane of Broone: /Gave up after four episodes. Anything remotely decent would hook me at least a little by then.


Yeah, this is pretty much me as well. Granted, I've never experienced the comic, so maybe my expectations were out of line, but I was hoping for some decent post-zombie-apocalypse survival stories. Instead it was a soap opera. With Zombies. The Young and the Restless Dead. :-/
 
2013-10-31 01:41:51 AM  

Confabulat: Neither did The Wire actors. Hey, look, it's D'Angelo Barksdale and Tully!


Tully? You mean Cutty?
 
2013-10-31 01:44:13 AM  

Snapper Carr: Confabulat: Neither did The Wire actors. Hey, look, it's D'Angelo Barksdale and Tully!

Idris Elba is getting some pretty good exposure recently. Also The Wire was more of a critical success than a commercial one.


Also Michael K. Williams. I cracked up when I realized he was a cop in "Trapped in the Closet".
 
2013-10-31 01:51:06 AM  
hey, let's all stare at one another because that has deep meaning. deep meaning.

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2013-10-31 01:51:06 AM  
I've tried to like Walking Dead several times and every time I have to turn the channel within 5 minutes because it sucks so bad. It is simply riding on the tails of those Breaking Bad stragglers who can't seem to cut the apron strings. That is it.
 
2013-10-31 01:52:12 AM  
These people are famous to those who are fans of the show. If you definition of fame is Kim Kardashian, you're wrong. She's a whore, and so is everyone associated with her. People with legitimate talent shouldn't be overlooked because the media thinks we should care about some tart with a fat ass.
 
2013-10-31 01:57:27 AM  

Cog Spinner: I've tried to like Walking Dead several times and every time I have to turn the channel within 5 minutes because it sucks so bad. It is simply riding on the tails of those Breaking Bad stragglers who can't seem to cut the apron strings. That is it.


That's the thing. The Walking Dead is far more popular than Breaking Bad ever was. It has it's own audience separate from riding BB's coattails.
 
2013-10-31 02:05:30 AM  
Never seen the show, but.. Lauren Cohan gets hot pic threads on Fark.
 
2013-10-31 02:08:30 AM  

Mr.Poops: I enjoy the show. I know it's passe to enjoy it here on Fark, but I like it.

Thing is, none of the actors really stick out -- I think Daryl is probably one of the better actors on the show, but he's been established for quite some time. I honestly think the best actor on the show was Dale and he bit it in the first season.


I thought merle acted well too. His role didn't require a ton of range but he nailed it.

The asian kid does alright too.

I hate andrea, but that was the character and director more than the actress I think.
 
2013-10-31 02:09:37 AM  

Cog Spinner: I've tried to like Walking Dead several times and every time I have to turn the channel within 5 minutes because it sucks so bad. It is simply riding on the tails of those Breaking Bad stragglers who can't seem to cut the apron strings. That is it.


Those shows have nothing to do with one another.
 
2013-10-31 02:23:06 AM  
None of the characters are as interesting as most of the Mad Men characters, as one comparison. Mad Men characters go beyond interesting - they're iconic. The same is true of Breaking Bad. Both of those shows are ALL about the characters, and the show lives or dies by how well those characters are written and acted.

The Walking Dead is all about running, screaming, and killin' zombies. It tries at something deeper, but it doesn't have the writing chops to compete with the shows mentioned above. Which is a shame because most of the actors seem to have the talent to handle more complex writing. It's still fun to watch, though.

Jon Bernthal's career seems to be blowing up since The Walking Dead killed him off. He has a lead role in one of the most anticipated shows of the year (Mob City) and is in a kick-ass ensemble cast in the WWII film Fury with Brad Pitt. He also has a part in the new Scorsese pic. Not a bad year.
 
2013-10-31 02:47:43 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: None of the characters are as interesting as most of the Mad Men characters, as one comparison. Mad Men characters go beyond interesting - they're iconic.


No they are not.  Mad Men is the show everyone talks about but nobody seems to actually watch.  Were it a book it would be Dante's Inferno.
 
2013-10-31 02:50:04 AM  

Smackledorfer: Cog Spinner: I've tried to like Walking Dead several times and every time I have to turn the channel within 5 minutes because it sucks so bad. It is simply riding on the tails of those Breaking Bad stragglers who can't seem to cut the apron strings. That is it.

Those shows have nothing to do with one another.


Well, they are (were) on the same network. But yeah, other than that nothing.
 
2013-10-31 02:51:29 AM  
The show pretty much sucks and I have never seen an episode!
 
2013-10-31 02:52:35 AM  
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2013-10-31 02:59:41 AM  

Flappyhead: shower_in_my_socks: None of the characters are as interesting as most of the Mad Men characters, as one comparison. Mad Men characters go beyond interesting - they're iconic.

No they are not.  Mad Men is the show everyone talks about but nobody seems to actually watch.  Were it a book it would be Dante's Inferno.


+1
 
2013-10-31 03:18:35 AM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode


did you just divide by zero?
 
2013-10-31 03:25:11 AM  

NickelP: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode

Eh..... this. I watch it because i want it to be good, not because it is good. Actually haven't seen this season yet.


Yup. I'm watching last season on Netflix right now, and so far there's been one good episode - the one where they go back to Rick's hometown looking for supplies and run afoul of the guy who saved him in Episode 1. They hit that one out of the park. If the rest of the series were half as good as that episode, I'd be watching because it was a great show, instead of because it's a show that keeps sucking me back in...while I complain about it from beginning to end.
 
2013-10-31 04:00:15 AM  
Nobody gets attached to the actors because what's the point on a show where anyone can die? Jon Hamm on the other hand, is why anyone bothers with interview shows. I'd actually be convinced to watch Honey Boo Boo if he appeared on it.

/Please don't.
 
2013-10-31 04:18:21 AM  
You guys need to stop comparing it to all time classics like the Wire and Breaking Bad and just enjoy the show for what it is, a zombie show that is still better than 95+% of the shiat on TV.
 
2013-10-31 04:21:07 AM  

goatleggedfellow: Confabulat: Neither did The Wire actors. Hey, look, it's D'Angelo Barksdale and Tully!

Tully? You mean Cutty?


Ha, I got Game of Thrones in my Wire. Oops
 
2013-10-31 04:35:29 AM  
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They got to sign the form!
 
2013-10-31 04:52:22 AM  

Confabulat: goatleggedfellow: Confabulat: Neither did The Wire actors. Hey, look, it's D'Angelo Barksdale and Tully!

Tully? You mean Cutty?

Ha, I got Game of Thrones in my Wire. Oops


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2013-10-31 06:02:49 AM  
Lauren Cohan could be a LOT more famous if she got nekkid ;)
 
2013-10-31 06:05:59 AM  
... it might have something to do with the fact that the people the article is talking about are still currently working! ... on Walking Dead! ... durr.
 
2013-10-31 06:33:27 AM  

Mr.Poops: I enjoy the show. I know it's passe to enjoy it here on Fark, but I like it.

Thing is, none of the actors really stick out -- I think Daryl is probably one of the better actors on the show, but he's been established for quite some time. I honestly think the best actor on the show was Dale and he bit it in the first season.


Yeah, I remember when TWD was the talk of Fark...and now that it's popular, it sucks...kinda funny because I still like the show.

Norman Reedus does a great job and probably one of the better developed characters if you look at him over all the seasons.  Andrew Lincoln has been decent.  Scott Wilson has been great...but he's 71 and has had a long career as a character actor.  Lauren Cohan is hot, but you never really get to see that in the show.

Echoing some of the earlier comments, it's hard to get attached to the characters when they can die at any time...which makes the show bigger than the actors.
 
2013-10-31 06:41:54 AM  

Flappyhead: shower_in_my_socks: None of the characters are as interesting as most of the Mad Men characters, as one comparison. Mad Men characters go beyond interesting - they're iconic.

No they are not.  Mad Men is the show everyone talks about but nobody seems to actually watch.  Were it a book it would be Dante's Inferno.


That is funny to me because with Mad Men, I only watched the first season and lost interest after that.
I just recently finished reading Dante's Divine Comedy, which has not just the Inferno part.....it also has Purgatory, and Paradise. That was the longest book that I have ever read in my life, but then again......I haven't read War & Peace by Tolstoy yet.
 
2013-10-31 06:55:08 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: NickelP: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode

Eh..... this. I watch it because i want it to be good, not because it is good. Actually haven't seen this season yet.

Yup. I'm watching last season on Netflix right now, and so far there's been one good episode - the one where they go back to Rick's hometown looking for supplies and run afoul of the guy who saved him in Episode 1. They hit that one out of the park. If the rest of the series were half as good as that episode, I'd be watching because it was a great show, instead of because it's a show that keeps sucking me back in...while I complain about it from beginning to end.


You've definitely captured the dark narrative.

I like it and will continue to watch it.
 
2013-10-31 07:01:27 AM  
I don't see viewers of other shows threatening to riot if they kill our favorite character.
 
2013-10-31 07:03:12 AM  
I'll have to give Mad Men another try.  Like Boardwalk Empire it bored me to tears and I gave up on it "before it got good".

Walking Dead's problem is it is too successful.  No producer wants to cast an actor who is super famous for one particular role.  It took Ed O'neil 13 years to not be Al Bundy.  It is going to take Andrew Lincoln at least that long not to be Rick.
 
2013-10-31 07:18:40 AM  
It's only the third season. It's a good show but it's a horror genre, sometimes actors can't break out of that stereotype.

Norman has been in a sh*t ton of movies. So has Jon Hamm before Madmen. This article is stupid.
 
2013-10-31 07:30:43 AM  
Shame that Michael Rooker's character died.  Awesome actor.
 
2013-10-31 08:15:40 AM  

Asa Phelps: The show runner is phoning it in.

The writers follow suit and phone it in.

The acting talent may as well phone it in.


Lies.  The only working phone is the one in Rick's head.
 
2013-10-31 08:21:07 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: It's only the third season. It's a good show but it's a horror genre, sometimes actors can't break out of that stereotype.

Norman has been in a sh*t ton of movies. So has Jon Hamm before Madmen. This article is stupid.


This

Plus Paul only started to get real recognition when the Breaking Bad social fire broke out around end of season 4 and everyone started telling everyone they have to watch the show, same for Cranston who up till that point was Malcom's dad.
 
2013-10-31 08:45:56 AM  

slayer199: Echoing some of the earlier comments, it's hard to get attached to the characters when they can die at any time...which makes the show bigger than the actors.


This.

Hamm is the lead/star of Mad Men. Cranston was the lead/star of Breaking Bad, Hall was the lead/star of Dexter. But for The Walking Dead, the real star is the apocalypse. Rick is "the lead" only because we get to witness the apocalypse mostly, but not exclusively, from his point of view. It doesn't really matter who the survivors are, we're more interested in how humanity survives. Anyone can be in that ensemble.
 
2013-10-31 08:47:08 AM  

Mr.Poops: I enjoy the show. I know it's passe to enjoy it here on Fark, but I like it.

Thing is, none of the actors really stick out -- I think Daryl is probably one of the better actors on the show, but he's been established for quite some time. I honestly think the best actor on the show was Dale and he bit it in the first season.


The best actor by far was Michael Rooker as Merle.
 
2013-10-31 08:47:11 AM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: [i172.photobucket.com image 625x446]


If Chandler Riggs fades to obscurity, it'll be the biggest waste of tatent since Deborah Foreman.

Then again, he might be Haley Joel Osment talented, but I doubt it.
 
2013-10-31 08:53:31 AM  
Never seen the show. Got bored reading the comic.
 
2013-10-31 08:56:19 AM  
I'm just pissed that no one has a goddamn metal baseball bat or any sort of body armor.

/love the show, first time caller, long time watcher.
 
2013-10-31 08:57:13 AM  

NickelP: i dont know if its the acting or the writing but everyone is very one dimensional.


Its because they consider it a horror show and nobody thinks its hard to act scared. I think Andrew and even Norman would be great as action movie stars or maybe some kind of buddy cop movie.

Its just not considered a drama which is what they look for in a series.
 
2013-10-31 09:02:44 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: NickelP: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode

Eh..... this. I watch it because i want it to be good, not because it is good. Actually haven't seen this season yet.

Yup. I'm watching last season on Netflix right now, and so far there's been one good episode - the one where they go back to Rick's hometown looking for supplies and run afoul of the guy who saved him in Episode 1. They hit that one out of the park. If the rest of the series were half as good as that episode, I'd be watching because it was a great show, instead of because it's a show that keeps sucking me back in...while I complain about it from beginning to end.


Yeah they need to show how other people have responded to this shiat, I think they went too long on the governor just being a crazy loon instead of truly letting him be psychotic and trying to charm everyone.
 
2013-10-31 09:03:49 AM  
Episodes are collecting in the DVR, but I have not worked up enough interest to watch this season. The pilot was awesome. After that, things started to drag.
 
2013-10-31 09:05:21 AM  

carnifex2005: Cog Spinner: I've tried to like Walking Dead several times and every time I have to turn the channel within 5 minutes because it sucks so bad. It is simply riding on the tails of those Breaking Bad stragglers who can't seem to cut the apron strings. That is it.

That's the thing. The Walking Dead is far more popular than Breaking Bad ever was. It has it's own audience separate from riding BB's coattails.


Yeah that was the dumbest statement in this thread TWD was larger than breaking bad before BB got huge, its still setting record breaking viewer records and BB is over.
 
2013-10-31 09:13:49 AM  
This just in: actors in genre shows/movies tend to be overlooked and typecast. Nothing new, it happened to the cast of Star Trek, too.

Science fiction (which is, more or less, what Walking Dead is) has always been the bastard child of Hollywood, and the huge success of WD isn't going to change that.
 
2013-10-31 09:14:45 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Tat'dGreaser: It's only the third season. It's a good show but it's a horror genre, sometimes actors can't break out of that stereotype.

Norman has been in a sh*t ton of movies. So has Jon Hamm before Madmen. This article is stupid.

This

Plus Paul only started to get real recognition when the Breaking Bad social fire broke out around end of season 4 and everyone started telling everyone they have to watch the show, same for Cranston who up till that point was Malcom's dad.


Or Seinfeld's dentist -- I know that and I didn't even watch the show -- or Hammond Struthers from HIMYM

SpinStopper: Lauren Cohan could be a LOT more famous if she got nekkid ;)


Van Wilder 2
 
2013-10-31 09:19:46 AM  

bark_atda_moon: I'll have to give Mad Men another try.  Like Boardwalk Empire it bored me to tears and I gave up on it "before it got good".

Walking Dead's problem is it is too successful.  No producer wants to cast an actor who is super famous for one particular role.  It took Ed O'neil 13 years to not be Al Bundy.  It is going to take Andrew Lincoln at least that long not to be Rick.


That is actually a good point, any time you saw him you thought Al Bundy and took you out of the movie which is the last thing a director wants while setting a tone for a film.
 
2013-10-31 09:23:17 AM  
I love The walking Dead.  I watch every episode sometimes twice.  I don't understand the FarkHate for this show and the threads dedicated to the FarkHate.  Do you know what show I don't like?  Survivor.  Do you know how many times I go into a thread and bash it?  Zero, because I don't watch it.
My point is for all of the TWD FarkHate, there sure are a lot of people watching it.
 
2013-10-31 09:25:33 AM  
I still watch it, but not like I used to. It now usually gets dumped onto the DVR instead of watched when it airs.

This season start was a real disappointment for me. I don't know why or what's different, but it's turned into another show for me that loses its inertia when it's off and when it comes back on, I wonder why I used to like it so much. I mean, it's okay and all that, but it's gone from a good weekly meal to "filler food" like ramen or canned chili that's filling and gets rid of hunger, but little more than that.
 
2013-10-31 09:27:28 AM  

Jayberrysparklesalot: Flappyhead: shower_in_my_socks: None of the characters are as interesting as most of the Mad Men characters, as one comparison. Mad Men characters go beyond interesting - they're iconic.

No they are not.  Mad Men is the show everyone talks about but nobody seems to actually watch.  Were it a book it would be Dante's Inferno.

That is funny to me because with Mad Men, I only watched the first season and lost interest after that.
I just recently finished reading Dante's Divine Comedy, which has not just the Inferno part.....it also has Purgatory, and Paradise. That was the longest book that I have ever read in my life, but then again......I haven't read War & Peace by Tolstoy yet.


Goon on you.  I recently finished Purgatory and will be picking up Paradise soon.  Paradise Lost is sitting on a shelf mocking me right now, but I'll slog my way through it one day.
 
2013-10-31 09:31:25 AM  

steamingpile: bark_atda_moon: I'll have to give Mad Men another try.  Like Boardwalk Empire it bored me to tears and I gave up on it "before it got good".

Walking Dead's problem is it is too successful.  No producer wants to cast an actor who is super famous for one particular role.  It took Ed O'neil 13 years to not be Al Bundy.  It is going to take Andrew Lincoln at least that long not to be Rick.

That is actually a good point, any time you saw him you thought Al Bundy and took you out of the movie which is the last thing a director wants while setting a tone for a film.


And the irony is it took me five seasons of Married with Children to stop wondering when Popeye Doyle was going to finally blow his cover and bust that meth house.
 
2013-10-31 09:35:35 AM  

slayer199: Yeah, I remember when TWD was the talk of Fark...and now that it's popular, it sucks...


Why do people think this is a thing?  Fark hates hipsters, and every reason I've seen for people hating the show are legitimate problems with it.  The show started off great, generated a lot of buzz (including here), and by the middle of the first season was going downhill.  A lot of behind-the-scenes people left the show, it was gutted by budget cuts, and the next thing I know I'm watching a soap opera wondering how long it's been since I last saw a zombie.  Fark's souring opinion of the show pretty much tracked its near-implosion episode by episode; it's not like people here waited breathlessly for marching orders from Nielsen.
 
2013-10-31 09:54:10 AM  

dragonchild: Yeah, I remember when TWD was the talk of Fark...and now that it's popular, it sucks...

Why do people think this is a thing? Fark hates hipsters, and every reason I've seen for people hating the show are legitimate problems with it. The show started off great, generated a lot of buzz (including here), and by the middle of the first season was going downhill. A lot of behind-the-scenes people left the show, it was gutted by budget cuts, and the next thing I know I'm watching a soap opera wondering how long it's been since I last saw a zombie. Fark's souring opinion of the show pretty much tracked its near-implosion episode by episode; it's not like people here waited breathlessly for marching orders from Nielsen.


I haven't read the comic, but from what I've seen from FARK comments, it differs from the TV series primarily in the level of human on human violence.  I don't think that would help the show; indeed, most of what they skipped over with the Governor wouldn't have been suitable for prime time TV.

What I wish they would show is a little bit more imagination in fighting the zombies.  I get the impression this season that the writers sometimes forget to account for the time that passes between seasons.  In season 3, the group had specific formations they would move in while fighting walkers, and had clearly become more organized.  It doesn't take a military historian to envision the group equipping themselves in the prison riot gear and clearing walkers in tight formation at chokepoints. Or reinforcing the fences.  I guess my point is, they would have only survived this long, and been able to feed the additional people in their group, if they had become substantially more organized.  I'm just not seeing it.

And I still don't understand why they chose a dark, dingy, prison versus Woodbury.  Woodbury had adjustable perimeters, lots of living space, already had a garden growing, had vehicles and resources including electricity and fuel, and, most importantly, the potential for multiple guardable entrances/exits in case the shiat hit the fan.  The Governor managed to infiltrate the prison without much effort on his sortie; a truly organized hostile human force would have wiped them out.
 
2013-10-31 10:01:39 AM  

born_yesterday: And I still don't understand why they chose a dark, dingy, prison versus Woodbury. Woodbury had adjustable perimeters, lots of living space, already had a garden growing, had vehicles and resources including electricity and fuel, and, most importantly, the potential for multiple guardable entrances/exits in case the shiat hit the fan. The Governor managed to infiltrate the prison without much effort on his sortie; a truly organized hostile human force would have wiped them out.


They handled that already, Daryl said that they had scouted it out and the place was destroyed and overrun by Walkers. Easy assumption that the Governor went back and scorch earthed it. If he can't have it, then no one can. Episode 2 this season I think.
 
2013-10-31 10:08:08 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: born_yesterday: And I still don't understand why they chose a dark, dingy, prison versus Woodbury. Woodbury had adjustable perimeters, lots of living space, already had a garden growing, had vehicles and resources including electricity and fuel, and, most importantly, the potential for multiple guardable entrances/exits in case the shiat hit the fan. The Governor managed to infiltrate the prison without much effort on his sortie; a truly organized hostile human force would have wiped them out.

They handled that already, Daryl said that they had scouted it out and the place was destroyed and overrun by Walkers. Easy assumption that the Governor went back and scorch earthed it. If he can't have it, then no one can. Episode 2 this season I think.


OK, thanks.
 
2013-10-31 10:24:40 AM  
I love the show, however its starting to grind down for me, I am actually more interested in waiting for season three of Hell on Wheels.

/Then its back to netflick to watch star trek again or something new, if netflick ever adds shiat to its list
 
2013-10-31 10:31:51 AM  

bark_atda_moon: Walking Dead's problem is it is too successful. No producer wants to cast an actor who is super famous for one particular role. It took Ed O'neil 13 years to not be Al Bundy. It is going to take Andrew Lincoln at least that long not to be Rick.


Solution: go back to being British/UK:

i2.cdnds.net

/best performance by a genre lead since Sir Pat and his Erotic Cakes
 
2013-10-31 11:00:19 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: bark_atda_moon: Walking Dead's problem is it is too successful. No producer wants to cast an actor who is super famous for one particular role. It took Ed O'neil 13 years to not be Al Bundy. It is going to take Andrew Lincoln at least that long not to be Rick.

Solution: go back to being British/UK:

[i2.cdnds.net image 300x225]

/best performance by a genre lead since Sir Pat and his Erotic Cakes


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-31 11:50:52 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Lauren Cohan is famous in my pants. Ever since she went fully topless in The Rise of Taj.


Never saw it. Now is a must. She was bangin on Supernatural. Couldn't blame Sammy one bit when he was sidetracked by fantasies about her. On the Walking Dead, even though she's supposed to be all filthy and smelly, I still would lick everything. Everything.
 
2013-10-31 11:52:29 AM  

TheLopper: I'm just pissed that no one has a goddamn metal baseball bat or any sort of body armor.

/love the show, first time caller, long time watcher.


Except for the body armor they picked up in the prison that they routinely wear in combat situations.
 
2013-10-31 11:57:01 AM  

Mentat: TheLopper: I'm just pissed that no one has a goddamn metal baseball bat or any sort of body armor.

/love the show, first time caller, long time watcher.

Except for the body armor they picked up in the prison that they routinely wear in combat situations.


And metal baseball bats would be useless.  They're hollow, meaning they would dent and bend out of shape rather quickly.  You'd be better off with a two foot piece of rebar.
 
2013-10-31 12:09:17 PM  

bark_atda_moon: I'll have to give Mad Men another try.  Like Boardwalk Empire it bored me to tears and I gave up on it "before it got good".

Walking Dead's problem is it is too successful.  No producer wants to cast an actor who is super famous for one particular role.  It took Ed O'neil 13 years to not be Al Bundy.  It is going to take Andrew Lincoln at least that long not to be Rick.


He's on the new Strike Back series on Cinimax. Complete with native english accent. Gotta wait and see if it lives up to the original Strike Back. That show is great.
 
2013-10-31 12:10:57 PM  

Flappyhead: Mentat: TheLopper: I'm just pissed that no one has a goddamn metal baseball bat or any sort of body armor.

/love the show, first time caller, long time watcher.

Except for the body armor they picked up in the prison that they routinely wear in combat situations.

And metal baseball bats would be useless.  They're hollow, meaning they would dent and bend out of shape rather quickly.  You'd be better off with a two foot piece of rebar.


I'd like to try out a military hammer, since it would have great puncturing ability,quickness of strike, and allows one to use a shield to keep walkers at bay.  We'd have to see if it got stuck, but it was designed so that it wouldn't get stuck in plate armor, so a zombie skill shouldn't be a problem.

Or, we can keep running up with our 3-inch blade buck knives in two hands and stabbing them in the eye.  I see no problems with this cunning plan.
 
2013-10-31 12:24:01 PM  

Flappyhead: And metal baseball bats would be useless. They're hollow, meaning they would dent and bend out of shape rather quickly. You'd be better off with a two foot piece of rebar.


They're actually pretty darn durable -- even though baseballs compress quite a bit, we're talking some pretty violent mechanics.  The failing is that they're inefficient as a weapon.  When used in a game they're hitting small spheres so kinetic energy is transferred rather well, but against a body that feels no pain it's not very destructive.  Flesh compresses too easily and bones are -- pound for pound -- stronger than reinforced concrete.  Also because of how they're shaped you've got to get in close (hitting them with the tip would make no sense), and because of how they're balanced you're doing most of the work.

Frankly, the ideal melee weapon would be a sledgehammer.  Against any other foe it'd be completely useless, but zombies don't have defensive reflexes or training; they just walk forward to overwhelm you.  The weapon has good reach and all the kinetic energy is in the head of the weapon; against a single zombie a good overhead swing would destroy the skull, and against mobs a good horizontal swing can knock them into each other.  In a pinch it can be used to break through light obstacles like wooden doors or glass.

If you have sufficient numbers, honestly, go old-school.  Zombies would have no answer for a phalanx.
 
2013-10-31 12:35:46 PM  
I don't agree on the necessity for body armor. Seems to me a decently thick leather biker jacket would be reasonably bite-proof while affording mobility and comfort. Might want to find a dead SWAT guy and grab a pair of those leather tactical entry gloves....

Seems any home improvement or hardware store would have a few axe handles laying around in the wreckage. Hickory is strong as hell and the shape of the handle is designed to not fly out of your hands on an overhand smash. If you see Zed, zip up the jacket, close with the threat, and swing away.

I like the show enough to overlook things like choosing a Charger for a foraging vehicle rather than a 4WD pickup with a muscled up brush guard.
 
2013-10-31 12:49:56 PM  

dragonchild: Flappyhead: And metal baseball bats would be useless. They're hollow, meaning they would dent and bend out of shape rather quickly. You'd be better off with a two foot piece of rebar.

They're actually pretty darn durable -- even though baseballs compress quite a bit, we're talking some pretty violent mechanics.  The failing is that they're inefficient as a weapon.  When used in a game they're hitting small spheres so kinetic energy is transferred rather well, but against a body that feels no pain it's not very destructive.  Flesh compresses too easily and bones are -- pound for pound -- stronger than reinforced concrete.  Also because of how they're shaped you've got to get in close (hitting them with the tip would make no sense), and because of how they're balanced you're doing most of the work.

Frankly, the ideal melee weapon would be a sledgehammer.  Against any other foe it'd be completely useless, but zombies don't have defensive reflexes or training; they just walk forward to overwhelm you.  The weapon has good reach and all the kinetic energy is in the head of the weapon; against a single zombie a good overhead swing would destroy the skull, and against mobs a good horizontal swing can knock them into each other.  In a pinch it can be used to break through light obstacles like wooden doors or glass.

If you have sufficient numbers, honestly, go old-school.  Zombies would have no answer for a phalanx.


Have you seen the way zombies crumble under every blow? If they can stomp a zombie's head flat, I think a baseball bat would do the job quite nicely
 
2013-10-31 01:10:59 PM  
I don't think you'd need armor.  I bet layers of regular clothes would work well enough. Long underwear, tshirt/shirt/jacket, work pants and steel toe boots...that's all enough to prevent bites from getting through.  This is assuming you are only dealing with one or two surprise bites. If the zombie has you pinned and is gnawing on you at will then you had larger problems that not wearing armor.

To me it's a combination of material and character types as to why they aren't more famous.   No matter how popular a show it is, it's still a zombie show.   There are a lot of people who will turn up their noses at the idea of watching a zombie tv show, therefore the cast of such a show are nonentities to them.   The other thing is that, as a whole, these characters are not likable people.  Daryl is, which is why he's the closest thing to a breakout star the show has.  Even then, his appeal is more a quiet, understated presence, not exactly what a typical look at me 'star' projects.
 
2013-10-31 01:28:57 PM  
The problem is that the show didn't "lead" in anything but ratings. The show follows a trend it didn't manufacture, for a message it doesn't control and on which it does not innovate. Other shows, like Mad Men, lead a trend, or, like Big Bang Theory, controls the trend's message, or, like Firefly, innovate on an existing trend. That's why we know Hamm, Parsons, and Fillion, just to name a few - they were memorable.

These schmucks? They're disposable players in a leading show about a played-out trend. Half of the characters you liked were killed in the first couple of seasons, and the writing after that has ensured that few are invested in the new characters. The only character even worth caring about is Daryl (Norman Reedus), and that's only because he's still alive and sometimes acts the way you'd expect a person to act - for the most part, I can't bring myself to empathize or care about the rest of the characters, because they're so patently pointless.
 
2013-10-31 01:33:22 PM  

SpinStopper: Lauren Cohan could be a LOT more famous if she got nekkid ;)


I had to guess at who that was, and I was only right because she seems to be the one that is most likely to be wanted in the nude.  This is from someone that has seen every episode, so....they are right about the whole fame thing?
 
2013-10-31 02:33:54 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: CigaretteSmokingMan: [i172.photobucket.com image 625x446]

If Chandler Riggs fades to obscurity, it'll be the biggest waste of tatent since Deborah Foreman.

Then again, he might be Haley Joel Osment talented, but I doubt it.


I think he does a great job. I'm always impressed when kids can cry convincingly on cue, and this kid has had to cry a lot.
 
2013-10-31 02:47:57 PM  
People were complaining zombies were played out four years ago when this show started, and since then zombies have only gotten bigger. The Brad Pitt movie made a bunch of money and is getting a sequel, and The Walking Dead has already been renewed for a fifth season and will most likely continue from there.

So stop saying zombies are played out. They clearly are not.

And The Walking Dead does something no other zombie movies do, they show the day-to-day struggles of life in the zombie world. Only a TV show has the luxury and time to be able to do that, which makes it pretty unique.

And I think this season is off to a fine start, lots of new warm bodies means lots of slaughtering. And we got some good zombie action on Sunday. I don't have any complaints right now except maybe I'm getting tired of the prison. They should paint that place if they're going to stay there for awhile.
 
2013-10-31 04:20:56 PM  
There is a closely guarded secret in Showbusiness. Great ensemble + great writing= A great production.

TWD has only one of these things.
 
2013-10-31 04:54:37 PM  

FormlessOne: The problem is that the show didn't "lead" in anything but ratings. The show follows a trend it didn't manufacture, for a message it doesn't control and on which it does not innovate. Other shows, like Mad Men, lead a trend, or, like Big Bang Theory, controls the trend's message, or, like Firefly, innovate on an existing trend. That's why we know Hamm, Parsons, and Fillion, just to name a few - they were memorable.

These schmucks? They're disposable players in a leading show about a played-out trend. Half of the characters you liked were killed in the first couple of seasons, and the writing after that has ensured that few are invested in the new characters. The only character even worth caring about is Daryl (Norman Reedus), and that's only because he's still alive and sometimes acts the way you'd expect a person to act - for the most part, I can't bring myself to empathize or care about the rest of the characters, because they're so patently pointless.


More people know fillion from Castle than firefly. Even among people who enjoy scifi there are people who don't know firefly.

I didn't know about it until it was over.
 
2013-10-31 05:28:54 PM  

dragonchild: Flappyhead: And metal baseball bats would be useless. They're hollow, meaning they would dent and bend out of shape rather quickly. You'd be better off with a two foot piece of rebar.

They're actually pretty darn durable -- even though baseballs compress quite a bit, we're talking some pretty violent mechanics.  The failing is that they're inefficient as a weapon.  When used in a game they're hitting small spheres so kinetic energy is transferred rather well, but against a body that feels no pain it's not very destructive.  Flesh compresses too easily and bones are -- pound for pound -- stronger than reinforced concrete.  Also because of how they're shaped you've got to get in close (hitting them with the tip would make no sense), and because of how they're balanced you're doing most of the work.

Frankly, the ideal melee weapon would be a sledgehammer.  Against any other foe it'd be completely useless, but zombies don't have defensive reflexes or training; they just walk forward to overwhelm you.  The weapon has good reach and all the kinetic energy is in the head of the weapon; against a single zombie a good overhead swing would destroy the skull, and against mobs a good horizontal swing can knock them into each other.  In a pinch it can be used to break through light obstacles like wooden doors or glass.

If you have sufficient numbers, honestly, go old-school.  Zombies would have no answer for a phalanx.


I don't know about you, but I'd get pretty tired swinging a sledgehammer around for an extended period of time. I'd go crowbar all the way. You could stab or bash and remove obstacles and still have enough wind left to run if you had to.
 
2013-10-31 05:30:55 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Because the show sucks? I should know, I've seen every episode


I wouldn't say it sucks, but it certainly isn't good. It's like a vacation in purgatory.

I give it a solid meh.

For me it rates about the same as Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I like the genre, but the show is mediocre.
 
2013-10-31 06:21:13 PM  

alphalemming: I don't agree on the necessity for body armor. Seems to me a decently thick leather biker jacket would be reasonably bite-proof while affording mobility and comfort. Might want to find a dead SWAT guy and grab a pair of those leather tactical entry gloves....

Seems any home improvement or hardware store would have a few axe handles laying around in the wreckage. Hickory is strong as hell and the shape of the handle is designed to not fly out of your hands on an overhand smash. If you see Zed, zip up the jacket, close with the threat, and swing away.

I like the show enough to overlook things like choosing a Charger for a foraging vehicle rather than a 4WD pickup with a muscled up brush guard.


I think it was MythBusters that showed that spraying standard truck bed liner on a jacket is sufficient to protect from dog bites.
 
2013-10-31 07:31:35 PM  
It took me a long time to quit Walking Dead, because i desperately wanted it to be awesome, and it was hard for me to admit the show is just a massive shiat-pile of vomit and diarrhea, covered in more diarrhea, lapped up and eaten by Rosie O'Donnell, and finally vomited out again.  I was finally able to let it go towards the end of Season 2, and it's been quite therapeutic to be rid of it.  The show is just awful.

Now, if only I can just quit Sons of Anarchy, another show I wanted to be awesome (and actually was, for two seasons), but has just devolved into the most non-sensical mess imaginable, yet I still can't quit, even though the show is beyond hopeless and I hate it and I hate myself even more for watching.  Maybe someday, though.  Maybe someday.

Hurry back, Justified and Archer.  You're our only hope.
 
2013-10-31 07:37:00 PM  
Klaumbaz: The only time you like a character.

I don't like ANY of the characters.

So, I do like the show, because characters I don't like keep getting killed off :D

// ok, I take that back, I just started season 3 last night and I like what the son has become (at least in the first four episodes).
 
2013-10-31 07:40:12 PM  
Why Would I Read the Article: I was finally able to let it go towards the end of Season 2

I watched season 1 when it originally aired.

Watched season 2 via netflix (Because I canceled most of my cable TV).
I watched season 2 ... while playing halo and fallout in splitscreen :P

Season 3 has been better so far.

But what the show really needs is frank west.
www.fightersgeneration.com
This guy can kill a serious amount of zombies.
 
2013-10-31 09:17:12 PM  

TheYeti: SpinStopper: Lauren Cohan could be a LOT more famous if she got nekkid ;)

I had to guess at who that was, and I was only right because she seems to be the one that is most likely to be wanted in the nude.  This is from someone that has seen every episode, so....they are right about the whole fame thing?


She's British, and they're usually less uptight about the nudity.  I am disappoint.
 
2013-10-31 09:46:34 PM  

lordargent: Klaumbaz: The only time you like a character.

I don't like ANY of the characters.

So, I do like the show, because characters I don't like keep getting killed off :D

// ok, I take that back, I just started season 3 last night and I like what the son has become (at least in the first four episodes).


Do you have something against black people?

;D
 
2013-10-31 10:56:04 PM  
goatleggedfellow: Do you have something against black people?

Up to the point where I'm watching, they've killed more non black people than black people.

In any case, I have something against stupid people, of any ethnic background.

// Another thing I've been pondering, how do they go from being able to kill a prison courtyard full of zombies, even zombies in riot gear ... to running from zombies that are constricted in a narrow hallway? These folks are some of the most inconsistent zombie slayers ever. They're not even fighting boss zombies or anything.
 
2013-10-31 11:23:23 PM  

lordargent: goatleggedfellow: Do you have something against black people?

Up to the point where I'm watching, they've killed more non black people than black people.


For a while there, black people had a significantly higher death rate than anyone else. Like the writers kept wanting to add some diversity, but couldn't generate storylines for the actors and randomly offed them. But I haven't read the books, so...

In any case, I have something against stupid people, of any ethnic background.

// Another thing I've been pondering, how do they go from being able to kill a prison courtyard full of zombies, even zombies in riot gear ... to running from zombies that are constricted in a narrow hallway? These folks are some of the most inconsistent zombie slayers ever. They're not even fighting boss zombies or anything.


Yup, they are alternately supreme warriors and buffoons. And neither for more than 5 minutes at a stretch.
 
2013-11-01 12:01:12 AM  
goatleggedfellow

Yup, they are alternately supreme warriors and buffoons. And neither for more than 5 minutes at a stretch.


I mean, all the zombies really do is shuffle forward, and apparently can get stuck in a bit of river mud.

Kick a few of those bastards over and watch the subsequent zombies trip over the downed bodies.

And what's with healthy adult males getting pinned to the ground by a SINGLE regular looking zombie? How much does a decaying zombie corpse weigh anyway? 150, 160 pounds?

It's not like you have to bench press the entire zombie to get it off.

// I mean let's be Frank, all I'm saying is that there should be at least one or two characters that excel in this sort of situation.

fc08.deviantart.net

// And not just against zombies

gamerinvestments.com
 
2013-11-01 12:19:21 AM  

Lsherm: TheYeti: SpinStopper: Lauren Cohan could be a LOT more famous if she got nekkid ;)

I had to guess at who that was, and I was only right because she seems to be the one that is most likely to be wanted in the nude.  This is from someone that has seen every episode, so....they are right about the whole fame thing?

She's British, and they're usually less uptight about the nudity.  I am disappoint.


She was born in Philly, grew up in New Jersey, and moved to England as a teenager.
 
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