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2013-10-30 06:32:33 PM
Republicans a month ago: We'll shut down the government and default on the debt to keep people from getting Obamacare.

Republicans now: OMG this website is a disaster. I'm outraged people can't sign up for Obamacare.
 
2013-10-30 06:36:04 PM

MSFT: clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph

Maybe poor people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. Do you want the government to provide your boot straps as well? I mean, would you then be able to pull them up by yourself, or would you like just a little more help?


You know you're being an ass, amirite?

My point is: near free insurance is not as cheap as you have been led to believe.  I'm lucky.  So far we've escaped the reaper.  Kids are very healthy, as are wife and self.  Barring some sort of tragedy, we probably won't make our deductible this year as we haven't in the past.

Should I need healthcare- it's going to cost me 3x or more as much this year than it did last year before the insurance actually kicks in.

Bootstraps are to liberals as maps are to beauty queens.  Should be an ACT question.
 
2013-10-30 06:39:06 PM

clowncar on fire: Bootstraps are to liberals as maps are to beauty queens. Should be an ACT question.


5/10. You may get some bites.
 
2013-10-30 06:41:42 PM

clowncar on fire: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.

I'm disappointed only one person in this thread referred to him by his proper name.

I'm still amazed you still find the need to keep beating this dead horse.  Obama won.  Is Mitt still that much of a threat that you need to spend the next 3 years campaigning against him?


Yep, and it's the same reason we laugh at Sara Palin, because she is such a gosh darn threat.
 
2013-10-30 06:45:24 PM

clowncar on fire: Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.


Nice try, except that Medicare is a more efficient method of providing healthcare:

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/09/20/medicare-is-more-efficient- th an-private-insurance/
 
2013-10-30 06:45:33 PM

clowncar on fire: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.

I'm disappointed only one person in this thread referred to him by his proper name.

I'm still amazed you still find the need to keep beating this dead horse.  Obama won.  Is Mitt still that much of a threat that you need to spend the next 3 years campaigning against him?


I find it funny. It amuses me to piss on his corpse. I'm sorry if that makes you mad but it isn't my business to make you happy. And if it was my business I'd burn my storefront down and shoot myself.
 
2013-10-30 06:50:03 PM

Jackson Herring: imagine a computer keyboard that a dancing horse could use to for example sign up for obamacare


Interested:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-30 06:50:47 PM

vernonFL: I_Am_Weasel: Is it a bad sign when Mitt Romney is echoing the words of Frankie Muniz? Because it seems like no good can come of that.

Don't forget Suzanne Somers.
Her work in the Wall Street Journal should win her a Hurrlitzer Prize.


I clicked on that the other day and Robert DeNiro as Al Capone came to mind:

'They got nothin!!!!!'
 
2013-10-30 06:53:18 PM

I didn't realize that losing an election rendered your opinion invalid. I'll remember that the next time Al Gore starts flapping his jaws about climate change or John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.


i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-30 06:55:32 PM
What annoys me is how the Republicans justification for Obamacare is horrible keeps shifting. It makes it so obvious to everyone that it's partisan in nature.

First it was "Oh noes socialism!!" and "Death Panels". We've had "Too many people will sign up and we can't see doctors!" and now it's "No one will sign up!". We've also had "It will cost government too much and loafers will get it all for free" and then now "People are paying too much and not getting it free enough!!". Also it is "Well the websie doesn't work therefore the whole thing is a failure!!"

I think if the GOP had some consistency in their argument other than "We hate Obama and will do everything to attack everything he does" sane people would take them more seriously.
 
2013-10-30 06:55:45 PM

self_made_hell: Republicans a month ago: We'll shut down the government and default on the debt to keep people from getting Obamacare.

Republicans now: OMG this website is a disaster. I'm outraged people can't sign up for Obamacare.


yeah, they have no game, they simply cry about everything & do absolutely nothing.  well, they obstruct governance but that's it.

windsock politicians the lot of 'em.
 
2013-10-30 06:58:23 PM

jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.


Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.
 
2013-10-30 07:01:13 PM

jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.


I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!
 
2013-10-30 07:01:31 PM

FloydA: Dear Mitt;

332 >206

Yours sincerely: The Electoral College.


He never wanted to be President, it was an investment strategy for him. And I'm sure it worked out splendidly for him, forget about all the people he threw under a bus to suck up donations from old, white, racist people.

ps: Mormons and Utah were the first to outlaw weed, now you know how their church rose to prominence. tinyurl.com/1mn -->
 
2013-10-30 07:03:18 PM

FloydA: Dear Mitt;

332 >206

Yours sincerely: The Electoral College.


So close...
 
2013-10-30 07:08:10 PM

DeanChambers: FloydA: Dear Mitt;

332 >206

Yours sincerely: The Electoral College.

So close...


Shh, shh. It's OK. No more skew, only dreams now.
 
2013-10-30 07:14:28 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: clowncar on fire: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.

I'm disappointed only one person in this thread referred to him by his proper name.

I'm still amazed you still find the need to keep beating this dead horse.  Obama won.  Is Mitt still that much of a threat that you need to spend the next 3 years campaigning against him?

I find it funny. It amuses me to piss on his corpse. I'm sorry if that makes you mad but it isn't my business to make you happy. And if it was my business I'd burn my storefront down and shoot myself.


Although I don't have any weapons personally, I'm sure if you provided your address, someone in your fan base would be willing to help you out on that plan.

But if it helps keep you distracted from real issues, keep pissing away.

Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.
 
2013-10-30 07:16:00 PM

Tarl3k: clowncar on fire: Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.

Nice try, except that Medicare is a more efficient method of providing healthcare:

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/09/20/medicare-is-more-efficient- th an-private-insurance/


Then I guess there is no need for the ACA then.  It looks like our work is done here.
 
2013-10-30 07:16:38 PM

clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.


That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.
 
2013-10-30 07:20:08 PM

Halli: clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.

That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.


Wow.  Got me pegged.
static.wix.com
 
2013-10-30 07:22:53 PM

clowncar on fire: Show of hands from everyone who's premiums and deductibles went up the usual little bit as opposed to remained the same but now the deductible went through the roof.

Having nearly free or subsidized insurance is still costly to the user.  I do not expect the visits to the ER to decrease anytime soon.

What the ACA has done is force the leeches who can afford medical insurance to either pay into the system by being penalized for refusing to get coverage or requiring them to get coverage (as they should).  A simple law requiring all Americans to get coverage and then determining at what point subsidizing was needed  would have sufficed.  Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.


My employer pays 100% of my family insurance. I am lucky to be a position to be able and negotiate that. My employer saw a 1.5% increase and my deductible is the same- no coverages changes. Some of my colleagues switched to a high deductible plan and our employer puts some into an HSA. We do have a few people we do not consider full time and now we will need to offer them coverage. We have no plans to cut their hours- this will affect our budget. I don't think ACA is a great law but I think it is progress toward something that makes the healthcare system better- eventually.
 
2013-10-30 07:28:06 PM

Halli: clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.

That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.


Herper isn't even a word numb nuts. Do you even know the origins of that made up word?

My point is valid- regardless of party affiliation: has anyone bothered to look into the deductibles on all that ACA insurance.  Herpaderp on that for a while.
 
2013-10-30 07:35:44 PM

clowncar on fire: Halli: clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.

That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.

Herper isn't even a word numb nuts. Do you even know the origins of that made up word?

My point is valid- regardless of party affiliation: has anyone bothered to look into the deductibles on all that ACA insurance.  Herpaderp on that for a while.


I am trying to engage you here

Plan cost up 1.5% my wife and two kids are on my coverage. My wife could get coverage through her work but uses my coverage as I pay no premiums due to employer contribution and have $600 per family member deductible- that includes prescriptions. We have to watch deductible as wife had cancer- 3 years free but still has quarterly check ups. Again not a great law but has not negatively impacted my family
 
2013-10-30 07:50:18 PM

Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.


12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!


Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.
 
2013-10-30 07:52:31 PM

smellysocksnshoes: clowncar on fire: Show of hands from everyone who's premiums and deductibles went up the usual little bit as opposed to remained the same but now the deductible went through the roof.

Having nearly free or subsidized insurance is still costly to the user.  I do not expect the visits to the ER to decrease anytime soon.

What the ACA has done is force the leeches who can afford medical insurance to either pay into the system by being penalized for refusing to get coverage or requiring them to get coverage (as they should).  A simple law requiring all Americans to get coverage and then determining at what point subsidizing was needed  would have sufficed.  Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.

My employer pays 100% of my family insurance. I am lucky to be a position to be able and negotiate that. My employer saw a 1.5% increase and my deductible is the same- no coverages changes. Some of my colleagues switched to a high deductible plan and our employer puts some into an HSA. We do have a few people we do not consider full time and now we will need to offer them coverage. We have no plans to cut their hours- this will affect our budget. I don't think ACA is a great law but I think it is progress toward something that makes the healthcare system better- eventually.


So you're not really in the trenches when it comes to being Joe-payer.  There are very few jobs where your boss picks up the tab and I certainly would not begrudge you of that benefit.  Obviously, you are of great value to your  employer that they would do so (not being sarcastic, by the way).  Most of us are not so blessed.  I do know med students, as well as many other variants of students can make a one time payment and are covered through their schools, but full coverage by others is a blessing.

For the rest of us, we have to by insurance through our employers at a discounted rate.  I wrestled between cheaper insurance with a high deductible, and more expensive insurance with a now tripled deductible (still only half the deductible on the cheap insurance.  As my daughters just started driving this year, you can guess which insurance I ended up with.

The ACA has essentially mandated insurance.  For those who can afford healthcare yet have chosen to risk the wallets of others in a gamble that they would not need health care: the devil is finally getting his due as they are now mandated to pay into the pool.  For those who can marginally afford healthcare (sort of like the rest of us), they must choose between high premiums or high deductibles.  For the poor: they may get the subsidized insurance but the one time use of the deductible may not be any more affordable than the treatment they could previously not afford in the first place.
 
2013-10-30 07:53:10 PM

jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.


Not at getting the Secretary of State job, he didn't.
Keep trying - you might get one thing right before the day's out! :D
 
2013-10-30 07:58:34 PM

clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers


what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.
 
2013-10-30 08:04:22 PM

smellysocksnshoes: clowncar on fire: Halli: clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.

That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.

Herper isn't even a word numb nuts. Do you even know the origins of that made up word?

My point is valid- regardless of party affiliation: has anyone bothered to look into the deductibles on all that ACA insurance.  Herpaderp on that for a while.

I am trying to engage you here

Plan cost up 1.5% my wife and two kids are on my coverage. My wife could get coverage through her work but uses my coverage as I pay no premiums due to employer contribution and have $600 per family member deductible- that includes prescriptions. We have to watch deductible as wife had cancer- 3 years free but still has quarterly check ups. Again not a great law but has not negatively impacted my family


Maybe I misread your comment-  it sounded like you already have employer provided coverage.  If you now have coverage for preconditions or negative medical history as a result of the ACA, then you have demonstrated one of the more positive aspects this law carries.

Sort of sucks watching your deductible take a major increase regardless that you could seldom reach your deductible in the past.  When it finally is there for me should I need it, it's going to be very expensive.  Isn't the whole point of insurance is to defer some of the cost in the first place?


My herpie derpie comment was not aimed at you.
 
2013-10-30 08:05:15 PM

Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.


Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?
 
2013-10-30 08:10:18 PM

Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.


I pay premiums, employers supplement.  I now pay 3x the deductible should I need healthcare, plus now must jump though hoops- family included-- (intrusive questionnaires, physicals and weigh ins)  to keep the premiums at a discounted rate.
 
2013-10-30 08:14:51 PM

ArkPanda: Halli: Opiate of the Lasses: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [img.wikinut.com image 645x900]

OK, what's the story behind the gov portrait? Not up on this meme.

/awesome username btw, she is legendary

He's posing with Romneycare. His greatest achievement.

I just assumed it was a binder full of women.


Yes??
 
2013-10-30 08:15:35 PM

jso2897: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?


Being a "personal story" only means it is the tale expressed by the individual.  That does not disqualify it as "common experience'" that shared by others.

You want verifiable- go do your own research.
 
2013-10-30 08:19:28 PM

clowncar on fire: jso2897: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?

Being a "personal story" only means it is the tale expressed by the individual.  That does not disqualify it as "common experience'" that shared by others.

You want verifiable- go do your own research.


By the way- isn't buying through your employers or covering your own expenses if you can afford it rather than buying into an exchange the law of the land now.  Maybe I could find cheaper insurance through the ACA but I don't think that's allowed.
 
2013-10-30 08:42:48 PM

clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.


I have never heard of a set of insurance plans that has one, fixed deductible. They have tiers, with each tier having a different deductible. You make a personal risk-based assessment of yourself and your family. If you tend to use healthcare quite frequently, choose the plan with the lower deductible and higher monthly premium. On the other hand, if you never go to the doctor (not accident prone, rarely get sick, have no issues that require frequent visits), then you can opt for the higher deductible, but lower monthly premium.

You do know this, right? Maybe it's why you are so pissed off at the ACA, you really have no idea how insurance works.

The beauty of the ACA is that if you have options now. If your employer isn't providing you with a decent insurance plan, you can go shop around for one that is better. We are no longer tied to our jobs the way we have been in the past! This is what America should be about: FREED0M!!!11!!!!!
 
2013-10-30 08:57:53 PM

clowncar on fire: clowncar on fire: jso2897: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers


what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?

Being a "personal story" only means it is the tale expressed by the individual.  That does not disqualify it as "common experience'" that shared by others.

You want verifiable- go do your own research.

By the way- isn't buying through your employers or covering your own expenses if you can afford it rather than buying into an exchange the law of the land now.  Maybe I could find cheaper insurance through the ACA but I don't think that's allowed.


You'd have to check your job-related health insurance and find out what your premiums would be if they were just covering you and not your family.  Compare it with your paycheck, and if it costs you over 9.5% of your paycheck for coverage, you qualify getting insurance through the exchanges.
 
2013-10-30 09:00:58 PM
clowncar: "intrusive questionnaires"

OH HEAVENS LORDY NO

/my pearls
//i must clutch them
 
2013-10-30 09:01:22 PM

jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.


Random CAPS!

Either way, your point is retarded. If Romney had later been appointed to some position - say, Secretary of Cheese - then when speaking about cheese, his opinion would absolutely be relevant.
 
2013-10-30 09:56:42 PM

Isitoveryet: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not even a year later and it seems remarkable a relative mediocrity like Mitt Romney was the presidential nominee for American president.

Mitt's greatest achievement was being born to his father.

he doesn't even get that as an achievement since all Mormon children pick their parents prior to being born.

/study it out!


Apparently, they actually can.
 
2013-10-30 10:02:27 PM

grumpfuff: jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.

Random CAPS!

Either way, your point is retarded. If Romney had later been appointed to some position - say, Secretary of Cheese - then when speaking about cheese, his opinion would absolutely be relevant.


No you are correct jj/ our country is unique because we listen opinions even unqualified opinions. I think it is relevant that Romney spoke on healthcare because the MA healthcare law is his greatest achievement he is certainly more qualified than most of us
 
2013-10-30 10:07:30 PM

clowncar on fire: smellysocksnshoes: clowncar on fire: Show of hands from everyone who's premiums and deductibles went up the usual little bit as opposed to remained the same but now the deductible went through the roof.

Having nearly free or subsidized insurance is still costly to the user.  I do not expect the visits to the ER to decrease anytime soon.

What the ACA has done is force the leeches who can afford medical insurance to either pay into the system by being penalized for refusing to get coverage or requiring them to get coverage (as they should).  A simple law requiring all Americans to get coverage and then determining at what point subsidizing was needed  would have sufficed.  Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.

My employer pays 100% of my family insurance. I am lucky to be a position to be able and negotiate that. My employer saw a 1.5% increase and my deductible is the same- no coverages changes. Some of my colleagues switched to a high deductible plan and our employer puts some into an HSA. We do have a few people we do not consider full time and now we will need to offer them coverage. We have no plans to cut their hours- this will affect our budget. I don't think ACA is a great law but I think it is progress toward something that makes the healthcare system better- eventually.

So you're not really in the trenches when it comes to being Joe-payer.  There are very few jobs where your boss picks up the tab and I certainly would not begrudge you of that benefit.  Obviously, you are of great value to your  employer that they would do so (not being sarcastic, by the way).  Most of us are not so blessed.  I do know med students, as well as many other variants of students can make a one time payment and are covered through their schools, but full coverage by others is a blessing.

For the rest of us, we have to by insurance through our employers at a discounted rate.  I wrestled between cheaper insurance with a high deductible, and more expensive insurance with a now tripled deductible (still only half the deductible on the cheap insurance.  As my daughters just started driving this year, you can guess which insurance I ended up with.

The ACA has essentially mandated insurance.  For those who can afford healthcare yet have chosen to risk the wallets of others in a gamble that they would not need health care: the devil is finally getting his due as they are now mandated to pay into the pool.  For those who can marginally afford healthcare (sort of like the rest of us), they must choose between high premiums or high deductibles.  For the poor: they may get the subsidized insurance but the one time use of the deductible may not be any more affordable than the treatment they could previously not afford in the first place.


I totally understand your point- again my point is that I am lucky I negotiated a package that includes getting full family coverage paid for-

My next point is that cost went up at about the same rate as inflation- the coverage my boss picks up the tab for is the exact same $600 deductible per family member- me, wife, son, daughter

I don't love the law but I don't hate it either
 
2013-10-30 10:11:54 PM

smellysocksnshoes: grumpfuff: jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.

Random CAPS!

Either way, your point is retarded. If Romney had later been appointed to some position - say, Secretary of Cheese - then when speaking about cheese, his opinion would absolutely be relevant.

No you are correct jj/ our country is unique because we listen opinions even unqualified opinions. I think it is relevant that Romney spoke on healthcare because the MA healthcare law is his greatest achievement he is certainly more qualified than most of us


Sure, we might listen to them. That doesn't mean we have to take them into consideration.

And in the case of Romney, specifically, the man has flip-flopped so often on his opinions that, frankly, I don't listen to a word he says.
 
2013-10-30 11:15:26 PM
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2013-10-31 12:39:47 AM
Mitt is certainly an expert on the subject of being embarrassing.
 
2013-10-31 02:40:57 AM

clowncar on fire: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

I pay premiums, employers supplement.  I now pay 3x the deductible should I need healthcare, plus now must jump though hoops- family included-- (intrusive questionnaires, physicals and weigh ins)  to keep the premiums at a discounted rate.


Since the things you're complaining about are things that your insurance company (not the government) is doing, it sounds like you'd prefer single payer.
 
2013-10-31 02:44:46 AM

gadian: voran: Mitt pops up but he just seems...defeated/sad. Its almost sad to watch.

This, more than anything, has convinced me that Romney genuinely thought he couldn't lose.  It wasn't some PR "we can't lose" tagline and it wasn't something he was fronting, he genuinely believed that there was no way that he would not one day be president of the United States.  He's been told he can't have what he believes should be his.  That's new for him.

I just...I think about that sometimes and to me, it's profound.  Can you imagine that level of...I can't really put a word to it, ego or avarice, there's got to be a word for it.  You know what I mean though.  Wow.  Genuinely, wow.


I think the word you are looking for is hubris...
 
2013-10-31 06:06:17 AM

quiotu: clowncar on fire: clowncar on fire: jso2897: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers


what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?

Being a "personal story" only means it is the tale expressed by the individual.  That does not disqualify it as "common experience'" that shared by others.

You want verifiable- go do your own research.

By the way- isn't buying through your employers or covering your own expenses if you can afford it rather than buying into an exchange the law of the land now.  Maybe I could find cheaper insurance through the ACA but I don't think that's allowed.

You'd have to check your job-related health insurance and find out what your premiums would be if they were just covering you and not your family.  Compare it with your paycheck, and if it costs you over 9.5% of your paycheck for coverage, you qualify getting insurance through the exchanges.


Anyone can buy through the exchanges instead of using their employer's healt plan, if they wish. You just can't qualify for a subsidy unless you meet the 9.5% test.
 
2013-10-31 06:06:37 AM

grumpfuff: jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.

Random CAPS!

Either way, your point is retarded. If Romney had later been appointed to some position - say, Secretary of Cheese - then when speaking about cheese, his opinion would absolutely be relevant.


I think we should all appoint jjorsett as Fark's official Secretary of Cheese.
 
2013-10-31 06:15:57 AM

clowncar on fire: Tarl3k: clowncar on fire: Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.

Nice try, except that Medicare is a more efficient method of providing healthcare:

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/09/20/medicare-is-more-efficient- th an-private-insurance/

Then I guess there is no need for the ACA then.  It looks like our work is done here.


Agreed. We'd all prefer single-payer for everybody, or Medicare For All. But until then, this is the first step.
 
2013-10-31 07:21:08 AM

clowncar on fire: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

I pay premiums, employers supplement.  I now pay 3x the deductible should I need healthcare, plus now must jump though hoops- family included-- (intrusive questionnaires, physicals and weigh ins)  to keep the premiums at a discounted rate.


I see now. You're fat.
 
2013-10-31 10:37:59 AM

jjorsett: I didn't realize that losing an election rendered your opinion invalid. I'll remember that the next time Al Gore starts flapping his jaws about climate change or John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.


Um...you DO know that John Kerry has a new job, right?
 
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