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(The Hill)   Mitt Romney calls Obamacare a "frustrating embarrassment", which incidentally was the nickname given to him by Romney/Ryan campaign staffers   (thehill.com) divider line 150
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2013-10-30 03:17:52 PM  
Is it a bad sign when Mitt Romney is echoing the words of Frankie Muniz? Because it seems like no good can come of that.
 
2013-10-30 03:19:02 PM  
Takes one to know one, Mitt.
 
2013-10-30 03:22:31 PM  
Loser
 
2013-10-30 03:22:33 PM  
Now you know how we feel about you and the rest of the GOP, Mitt.
 
2013-10-30 03:24:47 PM  
Who?
 
2013-10-30 03:27:06 PM  
"Ohio, Florida, and Virginia?  Really?" Mitt Romney, November 2012
 
2013-10-30 03:28:16 PM  
That's all well and good, but what does Alf Landon think?
 
2013-10-30 03:28:37 PM  
I'll ask his advice the next time I have a question about the aerodynamics of the dog carrier I'm purchasing. Other than that, I am uninterested in his opinion.
 
2013-10-30 03:30:38 PM  
Yes, let's hear more political wisdom from this disheveled unemployed man

4umf.com
 
2013-10-30 03:34:50 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Is it a bad sign when Mitt Romney is echoing the words of Frankie Muniz? Because it seems like no good can come of that.


Yet, Muniz's opinion still seems more relevant.
 
2013-10-30 03:57:52 PM  
I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.
 
2013-10-30 03:59:44 PM  
Dear Mitt;

332 >206

Yours sincerely: The Electoral College.
 
2013-10-30 04:11:14 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Is it a bad sign when Mitt Romney is echoing the words of Frankie Muniz? Because it seems like no good can come of that.


Don't forget Suzanne Somers.
Her work in the Wall Street Journal should win her a Hurrlitzer Prize.
 
2013-10-30 04:24:38 PM  
As frustrating as trying to get a refund for the fireworks barges moored in the Charles last November 7th?
 
2013-10-30 05:05:52 PM  

BunkoSquad: Yes, let's hear more political wisdom from this disheveled unemployed man

[4umf.com image 310x466]


came just for this image! makes me laugh everytime.
 
2013-10-30 05:05:57 PM  
Yeah, anytime I want advice on something important, I'll turn to some punk who was born rich and has never done anything in his life but hire other people with his daddy's money.
 
2013-10-30 05:06:25 PM  
What does Vermin Supreme think of this.
 
2013-10-30 05:08:37 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Who?


I was wondering the same thing...
 
2013-10-30 05:10:23 PM  
So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?
 
2013-10-30 05:11:32 PM  

clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?


the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.
 
2013-10-30 05:12:27 PM  
 ...millions of Americans would not lose the insurance they were promised they could keep...

Once again, TAKE THAT SHIAT UP WITH THE GODDAM INSURANCE COMPANIES!!
 
2013-10-30 05:12:44 PM  

Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.


Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?
 
2013-10-30 05:13:21 PM  
I just don't understand. Why is he issuing statements? Why is he still trying to push that "well yeah I proved it works but that doesn't mean it's a good idea" line? Does anyone think it's helpful to have Mitt Romney weigh in on this?
 
2013-10-30 05:13:23 PM  
Is this not the face of a man whose opinion you can trust?

i1126.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-30 05:14:11 PM  
[romneyofficialgovernorportrait.jpg]
 
2013-10-30 05:14:13 PM  

clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?


I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?
 
2013-10-30 05:15:03 PM  

clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?


Didn't another famous O give away a bunch of freebies only later to discover the consequences?

You can't afford insurance, you probably can't afford the deductible.
 
2013-10-30 05:15:12 PM  
img.wikinut.com
 
2013-10-30 05:15:37 PM  

clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?


Not I... but mostly because I know the difference between premiums and deductibles. Also, insurance is there to bring down costs, not make things free. If you want free stuff, try killing yourself, I hear the health plan is great in the afterlife.
 
2013-10-30 05:16:36 PM  
It's so rare and refreshing to hear a politician honestly criticize his own plan. I wish more people in government could be so up-front about the failures of the policies they create.
 
2013-10-30 05:16:39 PM  

FloydA: Dear Mitt;

332 >206

Yours sincerely: The Electoral College.


Dear Electoral College;

Kill yourself.

Yours sincerely:  The year 2000.
 
2013-10-30 05:17:00 PM  
rafalca is all in a tizzy over it
 
2013-10-30 05:17:19 PM  
www.emailajoke.com
 
2013-10-30 05:18:01 PM  
0.tqn.com
 
2013-10-30 05:18:28 PM  

lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?


Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph
 
2013-10-30 05:19:46 PM  

Arachnophobe: Is this not the face of a man whose opinion you can trust?

[i1126.photobucket.com image 850x586]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-30 05:19:49 PM  
I hope the Democrats learn their lesson from this, to never adopt Republican ideas.
 
2013-10-30 05:20:44 PM  

Jackson Herring: rafalca is all in a tizzy over it


Obamacare promised coverage for everyone, but not a single dancing horse was enrolled in a health plan.

Not. A single. One.

Study it out, libtardos.
 
2013-10-30 05:21:56 PM  
www.orangejuiceblog.com
One of us....One of us....One of us...
 
2013-10-30 05:21:58 PM  
imagine a computer keyboard that a dancing horse could use to for example sign up for obamacare

it would be enormous
 
2013-10-30 05:22:59 PM  

clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph


Well, if you ever feel like you're not getting your money's worth for your insurance. . .I hear those school buses are pretty durable.
 
2013-10-30 05:24:18 PM  

Cagey B: Jackson Herring: rafalca is all in a tizzy over it

Obamacare promised coverage for everyone, but not a single dancing horse was enrolled in a health plan.

Not. A single. One.

Study it out, libtardos.


At least the sheep got coverage.  Wait until the sheep realize that they have to pay off the deductibles on those subsidized plans before their insurance kicks in with %0% of the costs.
 
2013-10-30 05:25:00 PM  
Weep not for Mittens. While he'll be remembered for Romneycare, McCain will only be remembered for the Palin.
 
2013-10-30 05:25:21 PM  

rustypouch: I hope the Democrats learn their lesson from this, to never adopt Republican ideas.


It's all part of the long con. We implement the Heritage Foundation healthcare plan, everybody thinks it sucks, then we move on to single payer socialism. And then we all get gay married.
 
2013-10-30 05:26:17 PM  

clowncar on fire: Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over. Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph


My deductible is 1500, with a 20% copay. Same as it ever was. OTOH my monthly premium only went up $2 this year. It has never gone up that little. thanks obamacare
 
2013-10-30 05:26:53 PM  

Lando Lincoln: And then we all get gay married


to turtles.
 
2013-10-30 05:28:29 PM  
i47.photobucket.com

Poor Mitt. Still butthurt after almost a year.
 
2013-10-30 05:29:02 PM  

fenianfark: [i47.photobucket.com image 660x440]

Poor Mitt. Still butthurt after almost a year.


god i love that pic.
 
2013-10-30 05:29:25 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: [www.orangejuiceblog.com image 640x360]
One of us....One of us....One of us...


to her right it looks like 3 thought bubbles all going to nothing.
 
2013-10-30 05:29:38 PM  
I still think the absolute confidence they had of victory is deeply amusing.  I wish I could have witnessed the reality wash over them that night.
 
2013-10-30 05:29:42 PM  

Jackson Herring: Arachnophobe: Is this not the face of a man whose opinion you can trust?

[i1126.photobucket.com image 850x586]

[i.imgur.com image 640x360]


This is making me laugh way harder than it probably should.
 
2013-10-30 05:30:04 PM  
Guys, there's been a lot of joking around here, but let's get serious for a moment. Obamacare ruined my health insurance too. Now I have to pay $10,000 every time I go in for a physical, and I have to go to an alley in the bad part of town. After waiting three weeks before a physician will see me, I am only treated when I've sung all the words to The Internationale in a dog voice, and all medical procedures are performed personally by George Soros by the light of a hobo fire.

The worst part is that I have absolutely no recourse at all. I am locked into my current policy forever, with no way to obtain coverage through anything else, due to Obamacare outlawing everything but my "Stalincare" plan.

I hope this incontravertible truth eventually gets out.
 
2013-10-30 05:31:00 PM  

fenianfark: [i47.photobucket.com image 660x440]

Poor Mitt. Still butthurt after almost a year.


That would've been infinitely more awesome if the President had been standing behind the desk to shake Romney's hand.  Then the two of them could have sat down for a chat.
 
2013-10-30 05:32:20 PM  
Not even a year later and it seems remarkable a relative mediocrity like Mitt Romney was the presidential nominee for American president.
 
2013-10-30 05:32:26 PM  
Man, I thought this place was getting bad in the comments section, but then I check CNN's site for obamacare related stuff and...wow...its almost a chan.

I'm at the point where some people are astonishing me so much with their combination of derp and RIGHTEOUS (not really) INDIGNATION that I find myself wishing they get cancer in the ass, and have no health insurance.  I'm trying to think of a good way to put it, other than "I hope you get cancer in the ass and don't have insurance"
As for Mitt, I have to wonder what he'll do now.  I mean Palin was kinda held as radioactive crazy after she failed, but still pops up.  Mitt pops up but he just seems...defeated/sad.  Its almost sad to watch.
 
2013-10-30 05:32:40 PM  
i wonder if it was more or less frustrating than his struggle to get the zoning board to approve his car elevator
 
2013-10-30 05:33:51 PM  

clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph


if your plan was 300 deductible then the premium was through the roof or it didn't cover anything ,had no co-pays and no out of pocket cap. it may have even had a cap on what they'd pay.
 
2013-10-30 05:36:18 PM  

Cagey B: Guys, there's been a lot of joking around here, but let's get serious for a moment. Obamacare ruined my health insurance too. Now I have to pay $10,000 every time I go in for a physical, and I have to go to an alley in the bad part of town. After waiting three weeks before a physician will see me, I am only treated when I've sung all the words to The Internationale in a dog voice, and all medical procedures are performed personally by George Soros by the light of a hobo fire.

The worst part is that I have absolutely no recourse at all. I am locked into my current policy forever, with no way to obtain coverage through anything else, due to Obamacare outlawing everything but my "Stalincare" plan.

I hope this incontravertible truth eventually gets out.


I went to my doctor the other day and the nurse drew blood with a stick. A STICK. And it ran down my arm into a bedpan. She poured it into a trash sack and said "We will have results in 8 years. Then the doctor came in a punched me in the face. I walked out and got billed for $9,000! My next appointment is in 2045.
 
2013-10-30 05:37:34 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [img.wikinut.com image 645x900]


OK, what's the story behind the gov portrait? Not up on this meme.

/awesome username btw, she is legendary
 
2013-10-30 05:37:59 PM  

voran: Mitt pops up but he just seems...defeated/sad. Its almost sad to watch.


This, more than anything, has convinced me that Romney genuinely thought he couldn't lose.  It wasn't some PR "we can't lose" tagline and it wasn't something he was fronting, he genuinely believed that there was no way that he would not one day be president of the United States.  He's been told he can't have what he believes should be his.  That's new for him.

I just...I think about that sometimes and to me, it's profound.  Can you imagine that level of...I can't really put a word to it, ego or avarice, there's got to be a word for it.  You know what I mean though.  Wow.  Genuinely, wow.
 
2013-10-30 05:38:58 PM  

Gergesa: I still think the absolute confidence they had of victory is deeply amusing.  I wish I could have witnessed the reality wash over them that night.


boy, you said it.

you'd think that they'd be incredibly angry that the fox news media bubble lied to them so openly. but they can't quit them, apparently.
 
2013-10-30 05:40:51 PM  

voran: Man, I thought this place was getting bad in the comments section, but then I check CNN's site for obamacare related stuff and...wow...its almost a chan.

I'm at the point where some people are astonishing me so much with their combination of derp and RIGHTEOUS (not really) INDIGNATION that I find myself wishing they get cancer in the ass, and have no health insurance.  I'm trying to think of a good way to put it, other than "I hope you get cancer in the ass and don't have insurance"
As for Mitt, I have to wonder what he'll do now.  I mean Palin was kinda held as radioactive crazy after she failed, but still pops up.  Mitt pops up but he just seems...defeated/sad.  Its almost sad to watch.


"I hope you get cancer in the butt and don't have insurance"?
 
2013-10-30 05:41:08 PM  

gadian: voran: Mitt pops up but he just seems...defeated/sad. Its almost sad to watch.

This, more than anything, has convinced me that Romney genuinely thought he couldn't lose.  It wasn't some PR "we can't lose" tagline and it wasn't something he was fronting, he genuinely believed that there was no way that he would not one day be president of the United States.  He's been told he can't have what he believes should be his.  That's new for him.

I just...I think about that sometimes and to me, it's profound.  Can you imagine that level of...I can't really put a word to it, ego or avarice, there's got to be a word for it.  You know what I mean though.  Wow.  Genuinely, wow.


The alternative is scary, if such a perspective was allowed to be Leader of the Free World.
 
2013-10-30 05:41:39 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [img.wikinut.com image 645x900]

OK, what's the story behind the gov portrait? Not up on this meme.

/awesome username btw, she is legendary


He's posing with Romneycare. His greatest achievement.
 
2013-10-30 05:41:41 PM  
"Waaahhh! We don't like Obamacare!"
"Waaahhhh! Obamacare doesn't work the way we want it to!"
 
2013-10-30 05:42:16 PM  
did Romney yell that from the back of an Escalade while speeding past Faneuil Hall?
 
2013-10-30 05:43:47 PM  

fenianfark: [i47.photobucket.com image 660x440]

"

Hey, Mitt."
"Yes, dark-skinned humanoid?"
"I want to thank you for doing one good thing in your whole evil life and thrusting the credit onto me because your constituency is a flock of cowardly, hypocritical buffoons."
...
"Buffering, 9%... Buffering, 12%..."
 
2013-10-30 05:44:26 PM  
It is embarrassing that so many Republican governors hate their own constituents so badly they refused to help them, and ceded responsibility for creating exchanges to the federal government.
 
2013-10-30 05:45:04 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [img.wikinut.com image 645x900]

OK, what's the story behind the gov portrait? Not up on this meme.

/awesome username btw, she is legendary


Note the folder on the desk.
 
2013-10-30 05:46:29 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not even a year later and it seems remarkable a relative mediocrity like Mitt Romney was the presidential nominee for American president.


Mitt's greatest achievement was being born to his father.
 
2013-10-30 05:47:16 PM  

clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph


Maybe poor people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. Do you want the government to provide your boot straps as well? I mean, would you then be able to pull them up by yourself, or would you like just a little more help?
 
2013-10-30 05:47:42 PM  

FlashHarry: fenianfark: [i47.photobucket.com image 660x440]

Poor Mitt. Still butthurt after almost a year.

god i love that pic.


img.fark.net

"Hey, Mitt.  Give me $10,000 and I'll let you sit at my desk for five minutes."
 
2013-10-30 05:48:07 PM  
yeah, well, your face is a frustrating embarrassment
 
2013-10-30 05:48:39 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not even a year later and it seems remarkable a relative mediocrity like Mitt Romney was the presidential nominee for American president.

Mitt's greatest achievement was being born to his father.


he doesn't even get that as an achievement since all Mormon children pick their parents prior to being born.

/study it out!
 
2013-10-30 05:50:23 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [img.wikinut.com image 645x900]


I see what you did there.
 
2013-10-30 05:51:36 PM  

MSFT: clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph

Maybe poor people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. Do you want the government to provide your boot straps as well? I mean, would you then be able to pull them up by yourself, or would you like just a little more help?



Well, obviously we need government to intervene and decide who is worthy of having children.

/Republicans:  in favor of more government at all times.
 
2013-10-30 05:51:52 PM  
And here is Romney begging Obama to base healthcare reform off of Massachusetts system and use private companies and mandates.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090730/column30_s t. art.htm
 
2013-10-30 05:51:56 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not even a year later and it seems remarkable a relative mediocrity like Mitt Romney was the presidential nominee for American president.

Mitt's greatest achievement was being born boring to his father.


/FTFY
 
2013-10-30 05:53:57 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: MSFT: clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph

Maybe poor people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. Do you want the government to provide your boot straps as well? I mean, would you then be able to pull them up by yourself, or would you like just a little more help?


Well, obviously we need government to intervene and decide who is worthy of having children.

/Republicans:  in favor of more government at all times.


So... a life panel?
 
2013-10-30 05:55:35 PM  
Put that cocoa down, Mitt. Cocoa is for winners. Are we supposed to ask Michael Dukakis for his opinion too? Who gives a shiat what Losers like you think?
 
2013-10-30 05:56:41 PM  

MSFT: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: MSFT: clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph

Maybe poor people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. Do you want the government to provide your boot straps as well? I mean, would you then be able to pull them up by yourself, or would you like just a little more help?


Well, obviously we need government to intervene and decide who is worthy of having children.

/Republicans:  in favor of more government at all times.

So... a life panel?


Oh sure. Do we get to retroactively decide who gets life?
 
2013-10-30 05:57:50 PM  

Fart_Machine: What does Vermin Supreme think of this.


I understand he ran on a Friendly Fascism plan of universal coverage as well.
 
2013-10-30 05:58:46 PM  

Somacandra: Put that cocoa down, Mitt. Cocoa is for winners. Are we supposed to ask Michael Dukakis for his opinion too? Who gives a shiat what Losers like you think?


Since chocolate has caffeine in it, can he even drink that?
 
2013-10-30 05:59:10 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-30 06:00:30 PM  

BunkoSquad: Yes, let's hear more political wisdom from this disheveled unemployed man

fondling himself in public


FTFY
 
2013-10-30 06:03:36 PM  

Halli: Opiate of the Lasses: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [img.wikinut.com image 645x900]

OK, what's the story behind the gov portrait? Not up on this meme.

/awesome username btw, she is legendary

He's posing with Romneycare. His greatest achievement.


I just assumed it was a binder full of women.
 
2013-10-30 06:04:07 PM  

lockers: clowncar on fire: Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over. Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph

My deductible is 1500, with a 20% copay. Same as it ever was. OTOH my monthly premium only went up $2 this year. It has never gone up that little. thanks obamacare


My premium went down 25 dollars per pay period (thanks to physicals provided by the wife and self), my deductible per family member went up 3x the original amount.  I saved on my premium though.  Wahoo.
 
2013-10-30 06:05:25 PM  

lockers: Somacandra: Put that cocoa down, Mitt. Cocoa is for winners. Are we supposed to ask Michael Dukakis for his opinion too? Who gives a shiat what Losers like you think?

Since chocolate has caffeine in it, can he even drink that?


Take away a Mormon's hot cocoa sampler and s/he'll cut ya. Not kidding. Older Mormons: Postum, Newer ones: Cocoa. Utah is the center of hot cocoa in the U.S.
 
2013-10-30 06:07:37 PM  

lockers: Since chocolate has caffeine in it, can he even drink that?


Also, its more a tea/coffee thing than a caffeine thing. Most missionaries I know will drink herbal tea too.
 
2013-10-30 06:07:48 PM  

Lando Lincoln: rustypouch: I hope the Democrats learn their lesson from this, to never adopt Republican ideas.

It's all part of the long con. We implement the Heritage Foundation healthcare plan, everybody thinks it sucks, then we move on to single payer socialism. And then we all get gay married.



I'm already engaged to my turtle in anticipation.
 
2013-10-30 06:09:20 PM  

fenianfark: [i47.photobucket.com image 660x440]

Poor Mitt. Still butthurt after almost a year.



OMG, PresidentialSealgate!! Look at him standing on it like he owns the place!
 
2013-10-30 06:13:31 PM  

lockers: Somacandra: Put that cocoa down, Mitt. Cocoa is for winners. Are we supposed to ask Michael Dukakis for his opinion too? Who gives a shiat what Losers like you think?

Since chocolate has caffeine in it, can he even drink that?


Mormons don't really have a blanket prohibition on caffeine, it's more of a "no coffee" kind of thing. For example, Coca-Cola is fine.

go.bloomberg.com
cdn.ph.upi.com
 
2013-10-30 06:16:24 PM  

FlashHarry: I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.


I'm disappointed only one person in this thread referred to him by his proper name.
 
2013-10-30 06:19:44 PM  
Show of hands from everyone who's premiums and deductibles went up the usual little bit as opposed to remained the same but now the deductible went through the roof.

Having nearly free or subsidized insurance is still costly to the user.  I do not expect the visits to the ER to decrease anytime soon.

What the ACA has done is force the leeches who can afford medical insurance to either pay into the system by being penalized for refusing to get coverage or requiring them to get coverage (as they should).  A simple law requiring all Americans to get coverage and then determining at what point subsidizing was needed  would have sufficed.  Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.
 
2013-10-30 06:20:26 PM  

Cagey B: Guys, there's been a lot of joking around here, but let's get serious for a moment. Obamacare ruined my health insurance too. Now I have to pay $10,000 every time I go in for a physical, and I have to go to an alley in the bad part of town. After waiting three weeks before a physician will see me, I am only treated when I've sung all the words to The Internationale in a dog voice, and all medical procedures are performed personally by George Soros by the light of a hobo fire.

The worst part is that I have absolutely no recourse at all. I am locked into my current policy forever, with no way to obtain coverage through anything else, due to Obamacare outlawing everything but my "Stalincare" plan.

I hope this incontravertible truth eventually gets out.


Okay, I can be serious for a moment. As much as I hate agreeing with Rmoney, you have to admit that the ACA experience since Day One has been frustrating for many and embarrassing for the Obama Administration. I voted for Obama twice and want to see the ACA work (actually, I want single-payer, but am satisfied with progress), but this launch was extremely disappointing to me.

I can only thank Ted Cruz (which also makes the bile rise in my throat) for being such an immense douchebag during the budget stalemate. If the GOP had compromised prior to Oct. 1 and kept the government open, the media would've been all over the bungled ACA launch sooner and the GOP would've scored major points with the general public. Then, the GOP would've been able to wreak serious havoc with our budget through debt ceiling negotiations and would've farked up the country for a lot longer. So, thanks for being such a douchebag, Senator Cruz!
 
2013-10-30 06:24:15 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.

I'm disappointed only one person in this thread referred to him by his proper name.


I'm still amazed you still find the need to keep beating this dead horse.  Obama won.  Is Mitt still that much of a threat that you need to spend the next 3 years campaigning against him?
 
2013-10-30 06:27:29 PM  
I would call it a national struggle against the constant, over-powering greed of corporate America and the shareholders it must appease. A struggle that tries to help those who cannot put food on the table or save a dollar for a rainy day because everywhere they turn someone is trying to take more money from them than they did yesterday.

And Romney represents those greedy bastards. He should keep his mouth shut and count his money.
 
2013-10-30 06:27:45 PM  
Stench Romney said that?!
 
2013-10-30 06:29:10 PM  

clowncar on fire: A simple law requiring all Americans to get coverage and then determining at what point subsidizing was needed  would have sufficed.  Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.


wat
 
2013-10-30 06:32:27 PM  

MSFT: Maybe poor people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them.



I'm glad we agree contraception should be taught at a young age and unlimited access to abortions.
 
2013-10-30 06:32:33 PM  
Republicans a month ago: We'll shut down the government and default on the debt to keep people from getting Obamacare.

Republicans now: OMG this website is a disaster. I'm outraged people can't sign up for Obamacare.
 
2013-10-30 06:36:04 PM  

MSFT: clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

the same people who paid the deductible before that's who. the purchaser of the plan.

Those must be the same people who could afford insurance in the first place.  So why are we helping them out again?

I think you are confused about what a deductible is. Maybe your thinking premium?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.

Funny part is- we'll probably not even meet the deductible unless we're lucky enough to ass end a school bus at 60 mph

Maybe poor people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. Do you want the government to provide your boot straps as well? I mean, would you then be able to pull them up by yourself, or would you like just a little more help?


You know you're being an ass, amirite?

My point is: near free insurance is not as cheap as you have been led to believe.  I'm lucky.  So far we've escaped the reaper.  Kids are very healthy, as are wife and self.  Barring some sort of tragedy, we probably won't make our deductible this year as we haven't in the past.

Should I need healthcare- it's going to cost me 3x or more as much this year than it did last year before the insurance actually kicks in.

Bootstraps are to liberals as maps are to beauty queens.  Should be an ACT question.
 
2013-10-30 06:39:06 PM  

clowncar on fire: Bootstraps are to liberals as maps are to beauty queens. Should be an ACT question.


5/10. You may get some bites.
 
2013-10-30 06:41:42 PM  

clowncar on fire: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.

I'm disappointed only one person in this thread referred to him by his proper name.

I'm still amazed you still find the need to keep beating this dead horse.  Obama won.  Is Mitt still that much of a threat that you need to spend the next 3 years campaigning against him?


Yep, and it's the same reason we laugh at Sara Palin, because she is such a gosh darn threat.
 
2013-10-30 06:45:24 PM  

clowncar on fire: Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.


Nice try, except that Medicare is a more efficient method of providing healthcare:

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/09/20/medicare-is-more-efficient- th an-private-insurance/
 
2013-10-30 06:45:33 PM  

clowncar on fire: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.

I'm disappointed only one person in this thread referred to him by his proper name.

I'm still amazed you still find the need to keep beating this dead horse.  Obama won.  Is Mitt still that much of a threat that you need to spend the next 3 years campaigning against him?


I find it funny. It amuses me to piss on his corpse. I'm sorry if that makes you mad but it isn't my business to make you happy. And if it was my business I'd burn my storefront down and shoot myself.
 
2013-10-30 06:50:03 PM  

Jackson Herring: imagine a computer keyboard that a dancing horse could use to for example sign up for obamacare


Interested:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-30 06:50:47 PM  

vernonFL: I_Am_Weasel: Is it a bad sign when Mitt Romney is echoing the words of Frankie Muniz? Because it seems like no good can come of that.

Don't forget Suzanne Somers.
Her work in the Wall Street Journal should win her a Hurrlitzer Prize.


I clicked on that the other day and Robert DeNiro as Al Capone came to mind:

'They got nothin!!!!!'
 
2013-10-30 06:53:18 PM  

I didn't realize that losing an election rendered your opinion invalid. I'll remember that the next time Al Gore starts flapping his jaws about climate change or John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.


i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-30 06:55:32 PM  
What annoys me is how the Republicans justification for Obamacare is horrible keeps shifting. It makes it so obvious to everyone that it's partisan in nature.

First it was "Oh noes socialism!!" and "Death Panels". We've had "Too many people will sign up and we can't see doctors!" and now it's "No one will sign up!". We've also had "It will cost government too much and loafers will get it all for free" and then now "People are paying too much and not getting it free enough!!". Also it is "Well the websie doesn't work therefore the whole thing is a failure!!"

I think if the GOP had some consistency in their argument other than "We hate Obama and will do everything to attack everything he does" sane people would take them more seriously.
 
2013-10-30 06:55:45 PM  

self_made_hell: Republicans a month ago: We'll shut down the government and default on the debt to keep people from getting Obamacare.

Republicans now: OMG this website is a disaster. I'm outraged people can't sign up for Obamacare.


yeah, they have no game, they simply cry about everything & do absolutely nothing.  well, they obstruct governance but that's it.

windsock politicians the lot of 'em.
 
2013-10-30 06:58:23 PM  

jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.


Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.
 
2013-10-30 07:01:13 PM  

jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.


I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!
 
2013-10-30 07:01:31 PM  

FloydA: Dear Mitt;

332 >206

Yours sincerely: The Electoral College.


He never wanted to be President, it was an investment strategy for him. And I'm sure it worked out splendidly for him, forget about all the people he threw under a bus to suck up donations from old, white, racist people.

ps: Mormons and Utah were the first to outlaw weed, now you know how their church rose to prominence. tinyurl.com/1mn -->
 
2013-10-30 07:03:18 PM  

FloydA: Dear Mitt;

332 >206

Yours sincerely: The Electoral College.


So close...
 
2013-10-30 07:08:10 PM  

DeanChambers: FloydA: Dear Mitt;

332 >206

Yours sincerely: The Electoral College.

So close...


Shh, shh. It's OK. No more skew, only dreams now.
 
2013-10-30 07:14:28 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: clowncar on fire: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FlashHarry: I'm surprised that Historical Footnote even weighed in on the subject.

I'm disappointed only one person in this thread referred to him by his proper name.

I'm still amazed you still find the need to keep beating this dead horse.  Obama won.  Is Mitt still that much of a threat that you need to spend the next 3 years campaigning against him?

I find it funny. It amuses me to piss on his corpse. I'm sorry if that makes you mad but it isn't my business to make you happy. And if it was my business I'd burn my storefront down and shoot myself.


Although I don't have any weapons personally, I'm sure if you provided your address, someone in your fan base would be willing to help you out on that plan.

But if it helps keep you distracted from real issues, keep pissing away.

Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.
 
2013-10-30 07:16:00 PM  

Tarl3k: clowncar on fire: Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.

Nice try, except that Medicare is a more efficient method of providing healthcare:

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/09/20/medicare-is-more-efficient- th an-private-insurance/


Then I guess there is no need for the ACA then.  It looks like our work is done here.
 
2013-10-30 07:16:38 PM  

clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.


That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.
 
2013-10-30 07:20:08 PM  

Halli: clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.

That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.


Wow.  Got me pegged.
static.wix.com
 
2013-10-30 07:22:53 PM  

clowncar on fire: Show of hands from everyone who's premiums and deductibles went up the usual little bit as opposed to remained the same but now the deductible went through the roof.

Having nearly free or subsidized insurance is still costly to the user.  I do not expect the visits to the ER to decrease anytime soon.

What the ACA has done is force the leeches who can afford medical insurance to either pay into the system by being penalized for refusing to get coverage or requiring them to get coverage (as they should).  A simple law requiring all Americans to get coverage and then determining at what point subsidizing was needed  would have sufficed.  Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.


My employer pays 100% of my family insurance. I am lucky to be a position to be able and negotiate that. My employer saw a 1.5% increase and my deductible is the same- no coverages changes. Some of my colleagues switched to a high deductible plan and our employer puts some into an HSA. We do have a few people we do not consider full time and now we will need to offer them coverage. We have no plans to cut their hours- this will affect our budget. I don't think ACA is a great law but I think it is progress toward something that makes the healthcare system better- eventually.
 
2013-10-30 07:28:06 PM  

Halli: clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.

That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.


Herper isn't even a word numb nuts. Do you even know the origins of that made up word?

My point is valid- regardless of party affiliation: has anyone bothered to look into the deductibles on all that ACA insurance.  Herpaderp on that for a while.
 
2013-10-30 07:35:44 PM  

clowncar on fire: Halli: clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.

That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.

Herper isn't even a word numb nuts. Do you even know the origins of that made up word?

My point is valid- regardless of party affiliation: has anyone bothered to look into the deductibles on all that ACA insurance.  Herpaderp on that for a while.


I am trying to engage you here

Plan cost up 1.5% my wife and two kids are on my coverage. My wife could get coverage through her work but uses my coverage as I pay no premiums due to employer contribution and have $600 per family member deductible- that includes prescriptions. We have to watch deductible as wife had cancer- 3 years free but still has quarterly check ups. Again not a great law but has not negatively impacted my family
 
2013-10-30 07:50:18 PM  

Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.


12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!


Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.
 
2013-10-30 07:52:31 PM  

smellysocksnshoes: clowncar on fire: Show of hands from everyone who's premiums and deductibles went up the usual little bit as opposed to remained the same but now the deductible went through the roof.

Having nearly free or subsidized insurance is still costly to the user.  I do not expect the visits to the ER to decrease anytime soon.

What the ACA has done is force the leeches who can afford medical insurance to either pay into the system by being penalized for refusing to get coverage or requiring them to get coverage (as they should).  A simple law requiring all Americans to get coverage and then determining at what point subsidizing was needed  would have sufficed.  Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.

My employer pays 100% of my family insurance. I am lucky to be a position to be able and negotiate that. My employer saw a 1.5% increase and my deductible is the same- no coverages changes. Some of my colleagues switched to a high deductible plan and our employer puts some into an HSA. We do have a few people we do not consider full time and now we will need to offer them coverage. We have no plans to cut their hours- this will affect our budget. I don't think ACA is a great law but I think it is progress toward something that makes the healthcare system better- eventually.


So you're not really in the trenches when it comes to being Joe-payer.  There are very few jobs where your boss picks up the tab and I certainly would not begrudge you of that benefit.  Obviously, you are of great value to your  employer that they would do so (not being sarcastic, by the way).  Most of us are not so blessed.  I do know med students, as well as many other variants of students can make a one time payment and are covered through their schools, but full coverage by others is a blessing.

For the rest of us, we have to by insurance through our employers at a discounted rate.  I wrestled between cheaper insurance with a high deductible, and more expensive insurance with a now tripled deductible (still only half the deductible on the cheap insurance.  As my daughters just started driving this year, you can guess which insurance I ended up with.

The ACA has essentially mandated insurance.  For those who can afford healthcare yet have chosen to risk the wallets of others in a gamble that they would not need health care: the devil is finally getting his due as they are now mandated to pay into the pool.  For those who can marginally afford healthcare (sort of like the rest of us), they must choose between high premiums or high deductibles.  For the poor: they may get the subsidized insurance but the one time use of the deductible may not be any more affordable than the treatment they could previously not afford in the first place.
 
2013-10-30 07:53:10 PM  

jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.


Not at getting the Secretary of State job, he didn't.
Keep trying - you might get one thing right before the day's out! :D
 
2013-10-30 07:58:34 PM  

clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers


what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.
 
2013-10-30 08:04:22 PM  

smellysocksnshoes: clowncar on fire: Halli: clowncar on fire: Not mad either- find fan boys amusing.

That's pretty funny coming from a Gop herper.

Herper isn't even a word numb nuts. Do you even know the origins of that made up word?

My point is valid- regardless of party affiliation: has anyone bothered to look into the deductibles on all that ACA insurance.  Herpaderp on that for a while.

I am trying to engage you here

Plan cost up 1.5% my wife and two kids are on my coverage. My wife could get coverage through her work but uses my coverage as I pay no premiums due to employer contribution and have $600 per family member deductible- that includes prescriptions. We have to watch deductible as wife had cancer- 3 years free but still has quarterly check ups. Again not a great law but has not negatively impacted my family


Maybe I misread your comment-  it sounded like you already have employer provided coverage.  If you now have coverage for preconditions or negative medical history as a result of the ACA, then you have demonstrated one of the more positive aspects this law carries.

Sort of sucks watching your deductible take a major increase regardless that you could seldom reach your deductible in the past.  When it finally is there for me should I need it, it's going to be very expensive.  Isn't the whole point of insurance is to defer some of the cost in the first place?


My herpie derpie comment was not aimed at you.
 
2013-10-30 08:05:15 PM  

Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.


Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?
 
2013-10-30 08:10:18 PM  

Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.


I pay premiums, employers supplement.  I now pay 3x the deductible should I need healthcare, plus now must jump though hoops- family included-- (intrusive questionnaires, physicals and weigh ins)  to keep the premiums at a discounted rate.
 
2013-10-30 08:14:51 PM  

ArkPanda: Halli: Opiate of the Lasses: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [img.wikinut.com image 645x900]

OK, what's the story behind the gov portrait? Not up on this meme.

/awesome username btw, she is legendary

He's posing with Romneycare. His greatest achievement.

I just assumed it was a binder full of women.


Yes??
 
2013-10-30 08:15:35 PM  

jso2897: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?


Being a "personal story" only means it is the tale expressed by the individual.  That does not disqualify it as "common experience'" that shared by others.

You want verifiable- go do your own research.
 
2013-10-30 08:19:28 PM  

clowncar on fire: jso2897: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?

Being a "personal story" only means it is the tale expressed by the individual.  That does not disqualify it as "common experience'" that shared by others.

You want verifiable- go do your own research.


By the way- isn't buying through your employers or covering your own expenses if you can afford it rather than buying into an exchange the law of the land now.  Maybe I could find cheaper insurance through the ACA but I don't think that's allowed.
 
2013-10-30 08:42:48 PM  

clowncar on fire: lockers: clowncar on fire: Hobodeluxe: clowncar on fire: So exactly who is paying the deductibles on day one?  Free ain't so free is it?

Nope- my insurance plan got f'd over.  Had a 300 deductible per family member- now I get to pay a full 900 per before insurance actually kicks in.


I have never heard of a set of insurance plans that has one, fixed deductible. They have tiers, with each tier having a different deductible. You make a personal risk-based assessment of yourself and your family. If you tend to use healthcare quite frequently, choose the plan with the lower deductible and higher monthly premium. On the other hand, if you never go to the doctor (not accident prone, rarely get sick, have no issues that require frequent visits), then you can opt for the higher deductible, but lower monthly premium.

You do know this, right? Maybe it's why you are so pissed off at the ACA, you really have no idea how insurance works.

The beauty of the ACA is that if you have options now. If your employer isn't providing you with a decent insurance plan, you can go shop around for one that is better. We are no longer tied to our jobs the way we have been in the past! This is what America should be about: FREED0M!!!11!!!!!
 
2013-10-30 08:57:53 PM  

clowncar on fire: clowncar on fire: jso2897: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers


what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?

Being a "personal story" only means it is the tale expressed by the individual.  That does not disqualify it as "common experience'" that shared by others.

You want verifiable- go do your own research.

By the way- isn't buying through your employers or covering your own expenses if you can afford it rather than buying into an exchange the law of the land now.  Maybe I could find cheaper insurance through the ACA but I don't think that's allowed.


You'd have to check your job-related health insurance and find out what your premiums would be if they were just covering you and not your family.  Compare it with your paycheck, and if it costs you over 9.5% of your paycheck for coverage, you qualify getting insurance through the exchanges.
 
2013-10-30 09:00:58 PM  
clowncar: "intrusive questionnaires"

OH HEAVENS LORDY NO

/my pearls
//i must clutch them
 
2013-10-30 09:01:22 PM  

jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.


Random CAPS!

Either way, your point is retarded. If Romney had later been appointed to some position - say, Secretary of Cheese - then when speaking about cheese, his opinion would absolutely be relevant.
 
2013-10-30 09:56:42 PM  

Isitoveryet: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not even a year later and it seems remarkable a relative mediocrity like Mitt Romney was the presidential nominee for American president.

Mitt's greatest achievement was being born to his father.

he doesn't even get that as an achievement since all Mormon children pick their parents prior to being born.

/study it out!


Apparently, they actually can.
 
2013-10-30 10:02:27 PM  

grumpfuff: jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.

Random CAPS!

Either way, your point is retarded. If Romney had later been appointed to some position - say, Secretary of Cheese - then when speaking about cheese, his opinion would absolutely be relevant.


No you are correct jj/ our country is unique because we listen opinions even unqualified opinions. I think it is relevant that Romney spoke on healthcare because the MA healthcare law is his greatest achievement he is certainly more qualified than most of us
 
2013-10-30 10:07:30 PM  

clowncar on fire: smellysocksnshoes: clowncar on fire: Show of hands from everyone who's premiums and deductibles went up the usual little bit as opposed to remained the same but now the deductible went through the roof.

Having nearly free or subsidized insurance is still costly to the user.  I do not expect the visits to the ER to decrease anytime soon.

What the ACA has done is force the leeches who can afford medical insurance to either pay into the system by being penalized for refusing to get coverage or requiring them to get coverage (as they should).  A simple law requiring all Americans to get coverage and then determining at what point subsidizing was needed  would have sufficed.  Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.

My employer pays 100% of my family insurance. I am lucky to be a position to be able and negotiate that. My employer saw a 1.5% increase and my deductible is the same- no coverages changes. Some of my colleagues switched to a high deductible plan and our employer puts some into an HSA. We do have a few people we do not consider full time and now we will need to offer them coverage. We have no plans to cut their hours- this will affect our budget. I don't think ACA is a great law but I think it is progress toward something that makes the healthcare system better- eventually.

So you're not really in the trenches when it comes to being Joe-payer.  There are very few jobs where your boss picks up the tab and I certainly would not begrudge you of that benefit.  Obviously, you are of great value to your  employer that they would do so (not being sarcastic, by the way).  Most of us are not so blessed.  I do know med students, as well as many other variants of students can make a one time payment and are covered through their schools, but full coverage by others is a blessing.

For the rest of us, we have to by insurance through our employers at a discounted rate.  I wrestled between cheaper insurance with a high deductible, and more expensive insurance with a now tripled deductible (still only half the deductible on the cheap insurance.  As my daughters just started driving this year, you can guess which insurance I ended up with.

The ACA has essentially mandated insurance.  For those who can afford healthcare yet have chosen to risk the wallets of others in a gamble that they would not need health care: the devil is finally getting his due as they are now mandated to pay into the pool.  For those who can marginally afford healthcare (sort of like the rest of us), they must choose between high premiums or high deductibles.  For the poor: they may get the subsidized insurance but the one time use of the deductible may not be any more affordable than the treatment they could previously not afford in the first place.


I totally understand your point- again my point is that I am lucky I negotiated a package that includes getting full family coverage paid for-

My next point is that cost went up at about the same rate as inflation- the coverage my boss picks up the tab for is the exact same $600 deductible per family member- me, wife, son, daughter

I don't love the law but I don't hate it either
 
2013-10-30 10:11:54 PM  

smellysocksnshoes: grumpfuff: jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.

Random CAPS!

Either way, your point is retarded. If Romney had later been appointed to some position - say, Secretary of Cheese - then when speaking about cheese, his opinion would absolutely be relevant.

No you are correct jj/ our country is unique because we listen opinions even unqualified opinions. I think it is relevant that Romney spoke on healthcare because the MA healthcare law is his greatest achievement he is certainly more qualified than most of us


Sure, we might listen to them. That doesn't mean we have to take them into consideration.

And in the case of Romney, specifically, the man has flip-flopped so often on his opinions that, frankly, I don't listen to a word he says.
 
2013-10-30 11:15:26 PM  
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2013-10-31 12:39:47 AM  
Mitt is certainly an expert on the subject of being embarrassing.
 
2013-10-31 02:40:57 AM  

clowncar on fire: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

I pay premiums, employers supplement.  I now pay 3x the deductible should I need healthcare, plus now must jump though hoops- family included-- (intrusive questionnaires, physicals and weigh ins)  to keep the premiums at a discounted rate.


Since the things you're complaining about are things that your insurance company (not the government) is doing, it sounds like you'd prefer single payer.
 
2013-10-31 02:44:46 AM  

gadian: voran: Mitt pops up but he just seems...defeated/sad. Its almost sad to watch.

This, more than anything, has convinced me that Romney genuinely thought he couldn't lose.  It wasn't some PR "we can't lose" tagline and it wasn't something he was fronting, he genuinely believed that there was no way that he would not one day be president of the United States.  He's been told he can't have what he believes should be his.  That's new for him.

I just...I think about that sometimes and to me, it's profound.  Can you imagine that level of...I can't really put a word to it, ego or avarice, there's got to be a word for it.  You know what I mean though.  Wow.  Genuinely, wow.


I think the word you are looking for is hubris...
 
2013-10-31 06:06:17 AM  

quiotu: clowncar on fire: clowncar on fire: jso2897: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers


what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

Wait - you're still actually buying these "personal stories"?

Being a "personal story" only means it is the tale expressed by the individual.  That does not disqualify it as "common experience'" that shared by others.

You want verifiable- go do your own research.

By the way- isn't buying through your employers or covering your own expenses if you can afford it rather than buying into an exchange the law of the land now.  Maybe I could find cheaper insurance through the ACA but I don't think that's allowed.

You'd have to check your job-related health insurance and find out what your premiums would be if they were just covering you and not your family.  Compare it with your paycheck, and if it costs you over 9.5% of your paycheck for coverage, you qualify getting insurance through the exchanges.


Anyone can buy through the exchanges instead of using their employer's healt plan, if they wish. You just can't qualify for a subsidy unless you meet the 9.5% test.
 
2013-10-31 06:06:37 AM  

grumpfuff: jjorsett: Corvus: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

Umm John Kerry is the Secretary of State. I think what he says about foreign matters might be a little more important than what Mitt Romney's second guess arm check quarterbacking from one of his 5 mansions with car elevators.

12349876: jjorsett: John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.

I'm pissed off that the Secretary of State is talking about foreign affairs. HOW DARE HE!

Hey, he LOST, didn't he? That means anything he says is just some LOSER talking, and we don't listen to LOSERS. At least, that's what I've learned in this thread.

Random CAPS!

Either way, your point is retarded. If Romney had later been appointed to some position - say, Secretary of Cheese - then when speaking about cheese, his opinion would absolutely be relevant.


I think we should all appoint jjorsett as Fark's official Secretary of Cheese.
 
2013-10-31 06:15:57 AM  

clowncar on fire: Tarl3k: clowncar on fire: Then do away with Medicaid/ medicare to cover the costs of the ACA.

Nice try, except that Medicare is a more efficient method of providing healthcare:

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/09/20/medicare-is-more-efficient- th an-private-insurance/

Then I guess there is no need for the ACA then.  It looks like our work is done here.


Agreed. We'd all prefer single-payer for everybody, or Medicare For All. But until then, this is the first step.
 
2013-10-31 07:21:08 AM  

clowncar on fire: Isitoveryet: clowncar on fire: we have to by insurance through our employers

what the what!

you mean you contribute 100% to your premiums and go through your employer to get group rates?
if that's not the case (i don't even know if that's legal) i would suggest finding new employment.

I pay premiums, employers supplement.  I now pay 3x the deductible should I need healthcare, plus now must jump though hoops- family included-- (intrusive questionnaires, physicals and weigh ins)  to keep the premiums at a discounted rate.


I see now. You're fat.
 
2013-10-31 10:37:59 AM  

jjorsett: I didn't realize that losing an election rendered your opinion invalid. I'll remember that the next time Al Gore starts flapping his jaws about climate change or John Kerry outgasses about how we ought to be handling Syria.


Um...you DO know that John Kerry has a new job, right?
 
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