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(Medium)   Hanging out with Dennis Rodman is hurting Kim Jong Un   (medium.com) divider line 47
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2013-10-30 01:58:23 PM  
Any intelligent guesses as to how long until a "Spring" will happen in N Korea? Couple of decades away?
 
2013-10-30 01:58:41 PM  
So the idea is that the excesses of the upper class don't get out to the underclasses, and having a millionaire star basketball player used to reveling in public denies him that plausible deniability?

Maybe the Rodman thing is a political masterstroke by the CIA or something to de-legitimize the deification of leaders in NK?
 
2013-10-30 01:58:58 PM  
Maybe we can send Miley over for some party action.

/it can only help, right?
 
2013-10-30 01:59:24 PM  
Agent Rodman is a credit to his nation.
 
2013-10-30 01:59:46 PM  

xenomorph8472: Any intelligent guesses as to how long until a "Spring" will happen in N Korea? Couple of decades away?


I'm sorry, we can give you lots of armchair analyses, but I'm pretty sure "relevant foreign policy experience" is not a Fark skill.
 
2013-10-30 02:00:10 PM  
Hanging with Rodman definitley hurt me.  Don't do it Kimmy!
 
2013-10-30 02:02:37 PM  
soo..just like what I said 1 week ago then?

 Poor Dennis Rodman. He has no idea that he is just some clueless Ass0le being used as a PR pawn by Glorious leader of best Korea. He really thinks he is making a difference and/or helping, not just being a worldwide laughing stock and dumb jock.

You could almost feel bad for him if he wasn't such a giant douchenozzle.


For North Korea to get better. The people need to stand up.  The people wont stand up if they think glorious leader is just like them.  Dennis Rodman is doing a great service for the oppressed people there.  The more he parties and is public about it... the more likely people will do something.


yes.. I am in fact overly smug.
 
2013-10-30 02:02:45 PM  

xenomorph8472: Any intelligent guesses as to how long until a "Spring" will happen in N Korea? Couple of decades away?


There's been speculation for forever.  In theory, the regime should have collapsed long ago.  And yet, they hang on.  Who knows?  The Kim dynasty could always end tomorrow, but it hasn't yet.  That whole nation effectively defies logic at this point.
 
2013-10-30 02:04:16 PM  
Un's free throws have improved.
 
2013-10-30 02:05:56 PM  

ikanreed: Maybe the Rodman thing is a political masterstroke by the CIA or something to de-legitimize the deification of leaders in NK?


It's really a pretty good response to the international stage troll that is North Korea.
 
2013-10-30 02:06:08 PM  
It hasn't hurt his rebounding any.
 
2013-10-30 02:06:19 PM  
I particularly like the assumption that North Koreans are actually presented with the same information, photos, and news reports we are, in the same context, especially in a country where Internet access is limited to a select view.  I also like the optimistic belief that Kim Jong-Un's departure will lead to a more free North Korea instead of, say, another dictator better at the propaganda.

/babo
 
2013-10-30 02:09:33 PM  

xenomorph8472: Any intelligent guesses as to how long until a "Spring" will happen in N Korea? Couple of decades away?


Whenever the civilian-to-soldier ratio becomes larger than 3:1 and said civilians aquire the food energy to get out and protest/overthrow the regime, so....never?
 
2013-10-30 02:11:34 PM  
Wait, all of this comes from some associate professor from Dongseo?  Hell, I'll just read a Naver blogpost if I want some Korean professor's opinion.
 
2013-10-30 02:14:35 PM  
Guy is pretty heavy handed when doling out punishment to ex girlfiends though, a farking iron fist. Dude is a grade A arsehole. I hope the people revolt.
 
2013-10-30 02:15:05 PM  
Sorry, were people taking this guy seriously? The only thing he can do of any great consequence is to throw a hissy fit. We give him power by paying attention to him when he does.

I think China's pulling some strings to get him to back down. They're the ones with the most to lose if Best Korea suddenly dissolves.
 
2013-10-30 02:16:16 PM  

Fluid: Agent Rodman is a credit to his nation.


www.halolz.com
 
2013-10-30 02:16:19 PM  
When your Glorious Leader will happily send anyone who sneezes wrong to a labor camp, I don't think pictures with Rodman are going to be meaningful.
 
2013-10-30 02:17:46 PM  

xenomorph8472: Any intelligent guesses as to how long until a "Spring" will happen in N Korea? Couple of decades away?


we should air-drop tablets filled with south korean porn....  just because I think it would be funny...
 
2013-10-30 02:19:40 PM  
Until otherwise shown, I'm going to assume that Kim Jong Un is a sock puppet for the military rulership of NK. If he said "Hey, let's reform our government into a constitutional republic with universal suffrage for all citizens, right away," his bullet-ridden corpse would be found hours later behind a dry cleaner's shop (no witnesses nor "evidence" ever discovered), and one of his brothers nervously taking the reigns on state TV flanked by stern-faced generals.
 
2013-10-30 02:20:46 PM  
FTA: Jong Un's nearly two-year-long reign has been marked by significant propaganda failures that risk delegitimizing his own rule.

Doesn't really matter when disobedience means death. People can feel he's as illegitimate as they want as long as they obey. He's got such complete control over everything i don't see any kind of revolution possible.

ikanreed: Maybe the Rodman thing is a political masterstroke by the CIA


I can tell you he was definitely sent by the CIA. Although more likely to see if Kim would be dumb enough to try and impress him with state secrets. They'll make anyone a CIA agent, from talk show hosts to athletes, to a random guy on the street. because it's nothing to them and is a good way to get regular or semi-famous people to do what they want.
 
2013-10-30 02:23:32 PM  

Maul555: we should air-drop tablets filled with south korean porn


There is a South Korean porn industry?  You hear about the Japanese porn industry all the time but never really hear about South Korea's.
 
2013-10-30 02:23:52 PM  
I'm still betting on him getting a Nobel Peace Prize.
 
2013-10-30 02:29:03 PM  

Fano: I'm still betting on him getting a Nobel Peace Prize.


My top choice is still Extinction Level Event Asteroids.  They're overdue for recognition.
 
2013-10-30 02:38:32 PM  

kvinesknows: soo..just like what I said 1 week ago then?

 Poor Dennis Rodman. He has no idea that he is just some clueless Ass0le being used as a PR pawn by Glorious leader of best Korea. He really thinks he is making a difference and/or helping, not just being a worldwide laughing stock and dumb jock.

You could almost feel bad for him if he wasn't such a giant douchenozzle.

For North Korea to get better. The people need to stand up.  The people wont stand up if they think glorious leader is just like them.  Dennis Rodman is doing a great service for the oppressed people there.  The more he parties and is public about it... the more likely people will do something.


yes.. I am in fact overly smug.


Americans are obsessed with their historical idea of an armed civilian rebellion but that is simply not going to happen in 1984 North Korea. The conditions are simply not there for an armed rebellion to occur. And let say an armed rebellion happen... then what? Historically, odds are is that armed rebellions result in one dictator replacing another. The next best thing is for Dennis Rodman to show Kim a good time and hopefully convince him not to be such a tight butthole to his people.

Best case scenario for NK? Economic reforms and cooperation with SK to industrialize and modernize their economy, all the meanwhile threaten the West every now and then to appease the military would be the best option for NK. Ideally in a several decades they would make the transition similar to that People's Republic of China had made: keep the people economically satisfied so they can have a decent life while the ruling party maintaining absolute political control. Not ideal, but realistic.
 
2013-10-30 02:38:59 PM  

Gergesa: Maul555: we should air-drop tablets filled with south korean porn

There is a South Korean porn industry?  You hear about the Japanese porn industry all the time but never really hear about South Korea's.


There is no legitimate South Korean industry.  The making and distribution of pornography is illegal.  There are even a wave of volunteers who find pornographic websites and report them to the government so they are unable to be accessed from inside the country.
 
2013-10-30 02:41:56 PM  
news reporter: the peasants are revolting.
kim jong un: they certainly are.


/directly stolen from the wizard of id
//used without permission
///still fits
 
2013-10-30 02:48:44 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: FTA: Jong Un's nearly two-year-long reign has been marked by significant propaganda failures that risk delegitimizing his own rule.

Doesn't really matter when disobedience means death. People can feel he's as illegitimate as they want as long as they obey. He's got such complete control over everything i don't see any kind of revolution possible.

ikanreed: Maybe the Rodman thing is a political masterstroke by the CIA

I can tell you he was definitely sent by the CIA. Although more likely to see if Kim would be dumb enough to try and impress him with state secrets. They'll make anyone a CIA agent, from talk show hosts to athletes, to a random guy on the street. because it's nothing to them and is a good way to get regular or semi-famous people to do what they want.


I'm always reminded that the guy from the Gong Show was a CIA agent.
 
2013-10-30 02:53:33 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It hasn't hurt his rebounding any.


Yes, but now he dribbles  before he shoots.  It's disgusting.
 
2013-10-30 03:33:37 PM  
I cant wait for the movie to come out in 30-40 years from now, ARGO style where we learn that Dennis Rodman selflessly volunteered to be an international spy to help take down Best Korea's dictatorship.

Coming summer 2053:

The Worm: Chocolate Diplomacy
 
2013-10-30 03:43:30 PM  

John0x: I cant wait for the movie to come out in 30-40 years from now, ARGO style where we learn that Dennis Rodman selflessly volunteered to be an international spy to help take down Best Korea's dictatorship.

Coming summer 2053:

The Worm: Chocolate Diplomacy


Wouldn't be the first time.

Aviator Charles Lindbergh took a lot of heat for sucking up to Hitler in the pre--war years, but he actually delivered a lot of useful information on the Luftwaffe's air strike capability and Hitler's overall industrial buildup.
 
2013-10-30 03:46:10 PM  
I thought the story was going to involve Un picking up an infection from a dirty tattoo needle after he decided to get some body art laid on just like his basketball hero.
 
2013-10-30 04:09:30 PM  
Someone give him that man the Nobel.
 
2013-10-30 04:12:02 PM  

ikanreed: I'm pretty sure "relevant foreign policy experience" is not a Fark skill.


void foreignPolicy(country c)
{
if(c.hasPuppet())
{
giveMoney(c);
}
else
{
launchFreedomDelivery(c);
c.setPuppet(new Puppet());
}
}
 
2013-10-30 04:14:34 PM  
I'm sure he'll rebound.
 
2013-10-30 04:36:58 PM  
If Rodman is hurting Kim that bad, he should try some lube.
 
2013-10-30 05:55:14 PM  

Rindred: Until otherwise shown, I'm going to assume that Kim Jong Un is a sock puppet for the military rulership of NK. If he said "Hey, let's reform our government into a constitutional republic with universal suffrage for all citizens, right away," his bullet-ridden corpse would be found hours later behind a dry cleaner's shop (no witnesses nor "evidence" ever discovered), and one of his brothers nervously taking the reigns on state TV flanked by stern-faced generals.


So, the Kim Dynasty has descended into a Shogunate?
 
2013-10-30 06:06:46 PM  

kvinesknows: soo..just like what I said 1 week ago then?

 Poor Dennis Rodman. He has no idea that he is just some clueless Ass0le being used as a PR pawn by Glorious leader of best Korea. He really thinks he is making a difference and/or helping, not just being a worldwide laughing stock and dumb jock.

You could almost feel bad for him if he wasn't such a giant douchenozzle.

For North Korea to get better. The people need to stand up.  The people wont stand up if they think glorious leader is just like them.  Dennis Rodman is doing a great service for the oppressed people there.  The more he parties and is public about it... the more likely people will do something.


yes.. I am in fact overly smug.


Smug, but correct.

The average Nork sees poverty, struggle, and prison-like conditions every day. What is their Dear, Glorious Great Marshall doing? Hanging out with celebrities, riding roller coasters, and visiting ski resorts. This, while his citizens are stuck reading his grandfathers books night and day.

If a 'spring' does come, it won't be the peasant class that rises up. The traditional causes aren't there (religion, etc). It'll come from a lower middle class that wants more luxuries and media. Imagine Facebook in a country thats too poor to have PCs.

I predict less then 18 months.
 
2013-10-30 06:26:37 PM  

Rindred: Until otherwise shown, I'm going to assume that Kim Jong Un is a sock puppet for the military rulership of NK. If he said "Hey, let's reform our government into a constitutional republic with universal suffrage for all citizens, right away," his bullet-ridden corpse would be found hours later behind a dry cleaner's shop (no witnesses nor "evidence" ever discovered), and one of his brothers nervously taking the reigns on state TV flanked by stern-faced generals.


I really doubt that would happen before a total collapse. The Kim's aren't just anyone, in NK they are Gods. They have thousands of statues to the entire family. Each house holds two portrait's, Kim Jung Il and Kim Il Soueng.

I believe Kim Jong Un is very much in charge, and screwing up big time. He's fired many of his fathers close advisors, and he's painting himself into a corner trying to win over his people. Everything up til now has been for a domestic audience. But once freedom takes hold - like the many SKoren soap operas so many Norks like to smuggle and watch - they'll settle for nothing else.

Rumors have spread of an assaination attempt in March in Pyongyang, and a special award was given to a traffic girl. Recently, rumors have spread about a mass killing of an entire orchestra due to " adult themed" videos.

Everything points to unrest in the middle class.
 
2013-10-30 06:40:34 PM  

Loose_Cannon: Rindred: Until otherwise shown, I'm going to assume that Kim Jong Un is a sock puppet for the military rulership of NK. If he said "Hey, let's reform our government into a constitutional republic with universal suffrage for all citizens, right away," his bullet-ridden corpse would be found hours later behind a dry cleaner's shop (no witnesses nor "evidence" ever discovered), and one of his brothers nervously taking the reigns on state TV flanked by stern-faced generals.

I really doubt that would happen before a total collapse. The Kim's aren't just anyone, in NK they are Gods. They have thousands of statues to the entire family. Each house holds two portrait's, Kim Jung Il and Kim Il Soueng.

I believe Kim Jong Un is very much in charge, and screwing up big time. He's fired many of his fathers close advisors, and he's painting himself into a corner trying to win over his people. Everything up til now has been for a domestic audience. But once freedom takes hold - like the many SKoren soap operas so many Norks like to smuggle and watch - they'll settle for nothing else.

Rumors have spread of an assaination attempt in March in Pyongyang, and a special award was given to a traffic girl. Recently, rumors have spread about a mass killing of an entire orchestra due to " adult themed" videos.

Everything points to unrest in the middle class.


This historically is what happens. Oppressed people don't generally rebel when things are the usual level of awful. They rebel when they think they have just enough freedom to crave it all. Examples: The  Russian Revolution, fiddling with a container where the contents are under pressure.
 
2013-10-30 09:07:09 PM  

Rindred: Until otherwise shown, I'm going to assume that Kim Jong Un is a sock puppet for the military rulership of NK. If he said "Hey, let's reform our government into a constitutional republic with universal suffrage for all citizens, right away," his bullet-ridden corpse would be found hours later behind a dry cleaner's shop (no witnesses nor "evidence" ever discovered), and one of his brothers nervously taking the reigns on state TV flanked by stern-faced generals.


Why would they have dry cleaners in best korea?
 
2013-10-30 11:07:19 PM  

uncleacid: Un's free throws have improved.


It's all about the high heeled sneakers!
 
2013-10-30 11:12:43 PM  
I admire B.R. Myers work but he's wrong on this.  Kim Jong Un only has to appease the military leadership. So long as he leaves the black market enough alone the civilians won't care.
 
2013-10-30 11:15:20 PM  
media.npr.org

VERY interesting read. Trust me, after reading this, you'll have no doubts at all that Jong Un is every bit as vicious and violent as daddy was. Certainly don't reccomend reading this is you're the queezy type, it's a pretty brutal book.
 
2013-10-30 11:30:54 PM  

Talawsohu: I particularly like the assumption that North Koreans are actually presented with the same information, photos, and news reports we are, in the same context, especially in a country where Internet access is limited to a select view.  I also like the optimistic belief that Kim Jong-Un's departure will lead to a more free North Korea instead of, say, another dictator better at the propaganda.

/babo


Tung-tung bo
 
2013-10-31 10:11:31 AM  

kling_klang_bed: [media.npr.org image 850x1283]

VERY interesting read. Trust me, after reading this, you'll have no doubts at all that Jong Un is every bit as vicious and violent as daddy was. Certainly don't reccomend reading this is you're the queezy type, it's a pretty brutal book.


TLDR...  got a quick couple of fun facts?
 
2013-10-31 07:00:59 PM  
No prob. I'll post a few on here.
 
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