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(Telegraph)   In case you missed it, between the rising terrorism and economic disasters, the world is in the best place it has ever been   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 56
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2013-10-30 09:16:07 AM
Thanks a lot, 0bama!
 
2013-10-30 09:16:31 AM
Is this guy trying to get a job with the GOP?
 
2013-10-30 09:17:02 AM
Hell of a lot better than Jupiter, that place is a mess.
 
2013-10-30 09:17:24 AM
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2013-10-30 09:19:56 AM
Told you Dr. Pangloss was right.
 
2013-10-30 09:21:25 AM
We live in a Golden Age, and we are to stupid to realize it.  I pretty much live at the bottom of the ladder, and still live better than almost everyone who has ever lived.
 
2013-10-30 09:22:30 AM
That read like a knockoff of Thomas Friedman.  He must possess... The Moustache of Understanding.

rolocroz.com
 
2013-10-30 09:24:29 AM
In case you missed it, between declining terrorism and self created economic disasters, the world is in the best place it has ever been

TIFIFY
 
2013-10-30 09:28:04 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Hell of a lot better than Jupiter, that place is a mess.


Even if we don't find life on Jupiter, I still think it should be considered an enemy planet.
 
2013-10-30 09:29:23 AM
Hmm..lets see. The middle east is killing the shiat out of one another, we are still at war, you cant find a job here in the USA because the republitards have shipped all the jobs overseas to third world countries where they will pay some schmuck 1/3 of what you were making. We are being forced to buy insurance by our government, the jobs you can find have a shiat wage so you need two of them to survive, giving you no free time to enjoy life, you cant afford a new car, so you are forced to drive some old piece of shiat and hope it doesnt break down. Our government cant find its ass with both hands and a road map, And the prices of everything keep going up, while wages stay the same. The dems idea of fiscal responsibility is to raise the debt ceiling, thus increasing taxes to just pay the interest. But you're right, the world is in great shape.
 
2013-10-30 09:35:31 AM
In the spirit of gratitude, I propose we make today "Hug an Oil Company Day". What, they're people too!!

/not really
//it's too early in the morning for this shiat
///need moar coffee
 
2013-10-30 09:37:06 AM
This is totally true... All the sarcasm in this thread can't take away from that.  The fact that we as  a species are doing better than we ever have isn't an excuse to halt progress or to not help people, which is something I know you're all afraid of.
 
2013-10-30 09:37:14 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..lets see. The middle east is killing the shiat out of one another, we are still at war, you cant find a job here in the USA because the republitards have shipped all the jobs overseas to third world countries where they will pay some schmuck 1/3 of what you were making. We are being forced to buy insurance by our government, the jobs you can find have a shiat wage so you need two of them to survive, giving you no free time to enjoy life, you cant afford a new car, so you are forced to drive some old piece of shiat and hope it doesnt break down. Our government cant find its ass with both hands and a road map, And the prices of everything keep going up, while wages stay the same. The dems idea of fiscal responsibility is to raise the debt ceiling, thus increasing taxes to just pay the interest. But you're right, the world is in great shape.


As opposed to say the 60s when we were minutes away from thermonuclear annihilation or the 40s when I believe there was alot more killing than we see today. or the 1920s that sure the world's worse economic crash, etc. etc.Compared to these times I would say, yes we are in pretty good shape if your biggest complaint is you have to have health insurance. It hardly being sent to a gulag before disappearing in the middle of the night now is it?
 
2013-10-30 09:37:16 AM

duke3522: We live in a Golden Age, and we are to stupid to realize it.  I pretty much live at the bottom of the ladder, and still live better than almost everyone who has ever lived.


Unfortunately as a species we create problems where none exist, or none should exist. A good example is the bunch of idiots in the United States who keep parroting all these ideas that the United States is broke so we should stop paying for everything. Stop doing science, stop doing everything because we can't afford it! Even though, that would totally be at the expense of the United States government you know functioning and remaining a world power.

Yes, the deficit is a long-term problem but its one that should be addressed smartly. Not through stupid sequesters that only cause harm, and don't really save us any money. Mostly, because the government has to have money to do certain things. Whether its fixing roads, or refitting aircraft carriers, so cutting by it self and without much thought on how to cut is a stupid strategy.

You know what is more dangerous than the deficit? The United States losing its ability to function/maintain its capabilities, which has wider consequences beyond the United States. You know, because the dollar is the reserve currency and when shiat goes south economically in the US, it has a domino effect. See 2008.

Yet, all certain people can see is doom and gloom. Unfortunately, their harmful actions are possibly enough to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. So at least they'll be right I guess, even if its at the expense of everyone else.
 
2013-10-30 09:40:35 AM

limeyfellow: Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..lets see. The middle east is killing the shiat out of one another, we are still at war, you cant find a job here in the USA because the republitards have shipped all the jobs overseas to third world countries where they will pay some schmuck 1/3 of what you were making. We are being forced to buy insurance by our government, the jobs you can find have a shiat wage so you need two of them to survive, giving you no free time to enjoy life, you cant afford a new car, so you are forced to drive some old piece of shiat and hope it doesnt break down. Our government cant find its ass with both hands and a road map, And the prices of everything keep going up, while wages stay the same. The dems idea of fiscal responsibility is to raise the debt ceiling, thus increasing taxes to just pay the interest. But you're right, the world is in great shape.

As opposed to say the 60s when we were minutes away from thermonuclear annihilation or the 40s when I believe there was alot more killing than we see today. or the 1920s that sure the world's worse economic crash, etc. etc.Compared to these times I would say, yes we are in pretty good shape if your biggest complaint is you have to have health insurance. It hardly being sent to a gulag before disappearing in the middle of the night now is it?


/The gulag? Seriously? Do you live in Russia? Communist.
 
2013-10-30 09:40:46 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..lets see. The middle east is killing the shiat out of one another, we are still at war, you cant find a job here in the USA because the republitards have shipped all the jobs overseas to third world countries where they will pay some schmuck 1/3 of what you were making. We are being forced to buy insurance by our government, the jobs you can find have a shiat wage so you need two of them to survive, giving you no free time to enjoy life, you cant afford a new car, so you are forced to drive some old piece of shiat and hope it doesnt break down. Our government cant find its ass with both hands and a road map, And the prices of everything keep going up, while wages stay the same. The dems idea of fiscal responsibility is to raise the debt ceiling, thus increasing taxes to just pay the interest. But you're right, the world is in great shape.


Middle East killing each other = welcome to the last 1000+ years

We're talking about the overall history of the world in general. Would you much prefer old school Europe, with several empires looking to rape and loot you at any moment? Or how's about the old school days of Huns, barbarians, Mongol hordes, Vikings (yes, I'm aware my ancestors were rather brutish), tribal warfare on a global scale, diseases galore (and the only 'remedy' was either being whipped, tortured, or leeches being poured on you) and zero medicine to treat them, etc.?
Dunno about you, I like the idea of being able to sit back and watch tv and sleep without having to worry about my whole town being torched while I whip away my bubonic plague. Awwwwwwwwwwww the good life!
Oh, and we have free internet porn!
 
2013-10-30 09:41:41 AM
This self-centered twat doesn't seem to know the difference between the 'world' and the 'human race'.
 
2013-10-30 09:42:17 AM
The world human race has never had it so good - thanks partly entirely to capitalism technology

As far as the World is concerned (species other than humans) it's another extinction event.

I did not read much past that. Just the rants of another right wing nut or shill for the rich elite.
 
2013-10-30 09:42:19 AM

bbfreak: duke3522: We live in a Golden Age, and we are to stupid to realize it.  I pretty much live at the bottom of the ladder, and still live better than almost everyone who has ever lived.

Unfortunately as a species we create problems where none exist, or none should exist. A good example is the bunch of idiots in the United States who keep parroting all these ideas that the United States is broke so we should stop paying for everything. Stop doing science, stop doing everything because we can't afford it! Even though, that would totally be at the expense of the United States government you know functioning and remaining a world power.

Yes, the deficit is a long-term problem but its one that should be addressed smartly. Not through stupid sequesters that only cause harm, and don't really save us any money. Mostly, because the government has to have money to do certain things. Whether its fixing roads, or refitting aircraft carriers, so cutting by it self and without much thought on how to cut is a stupid strategy.

You know what is more dangerous than the deficit? The United States losing its ability to function/maintain its capabilities, which has wider consequences beyond the United States. You know, because the dollar is the reserve currency and when shiat goes south economically in the US, it has a domino effect. See 2008.

Yet, all certain people can see is doom and gloom. Unfortunately, their harmful actions are possibly enough to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. So at least they'll be right I guess, even if its at the expense of everyone else.


You're being doom and gloomy at the prospect that people who see the negative in everything will bring about our end.  I find that ironic and you should stop it.  But perhaps you're right, or perhaps it will be something else.  But regardless, "golden ages", as it were, don't last forever but that doesn't mean that the end of this age means the end of the world and that we as a species won't continue to do better overall.
 
2013-10-30 09:44:14 AM
bbfreak:

Yet, all certain people can see is doom and gloom. Unfortunately, their harmful actions are possibly enough to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. So at least they'll be right I guess, even if its at the expense of everyone else.

My dumb cousins are always on facebook posting "these days are the worse they've ever been with terrorism and the Middle East".

You only have to go back to WWII to see that things can be so much worse.  I'll take al-Shabaab over The Wehrmacht.
 
2013-10-30 09:45:13 AM
People in general are insufficiently educated about history. In school all we manage to do is provide a list of events and the dates on which they occurred. We never teach how ordinary and historical people lived, what their physical environment was like, what they ate, when they ate, how they procured their food, clothes, shelter, etc...

We have forgotten how war was a near constant, how polluted the environment was for many, how cruel people were towards animals, how ordinary childhood death was, how ordinary work injuries were, how premature death was normal.

We think things today are bad only because we have no memory of how the world of our ancestors was.

The funniest constant is how every single generation, whether in the 750s, the 1450s or the 1950s,  believed things were better in the past than in their current changing times. Must be a human thing.

Some of the most engaging books on how people lived in the past :
http://www.amazon.ca/Time-Travelers-Guide-Medieval-England/dp/143911 29 08
and:
http://www.amazon.ca/Time-Travellers-Guide-Elizabethan-England/dp/18 47 921140
 
2013-10-30 09:46:28 AM

kaseyfarksdaladies: This self-centered twat doesn't seem to know the difference between the 'world' and the 'human race'.


So....  The world is doing worse than it ever has and the human race is doing better?
 
2013-10-30 09:48:24 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: The dems idea of fiscal responsibility is to raise the debt ceiling, thus increasing taxes to just pay the interest.


Oh look, another person who doesn't understand the debt ceiling. You know why its fiscally responsible to raise the debt ceiling? Its about paying your bills. Its not about new spending, its about spending Congress has already approved in past sessions. The debt ceiling shouldn't even be a thing, its ridiculous to think that the United States Government wont pay its bills and the fallout would be as bad as the 2008 collapse or worse.  Oh, and guess what, the United States will then be paying higher interest.

You know, kind of like if you miss a credit card payment your interests rates will go up because you're less creditable as a borrower. Also in general when there isn't certainty that the United States government will continue to function it effects jobs and the economy.

You know, because if people believe we're going to go through all this shiat again in a few months they're not going to buy as many Christmas presents maybe and thus industries wont hire as many employees to keep up with a demand that wont happen. Etc.
 
2013-10-30 09:48:43 AM
The CDC just announced the end of the antibiotic era. Its all downhill from here.
 
2013-10-30 09:50:11 AM

hitlersbrain: The world human race has never had it so good - thanks partly entirely to capitalism technology

As far as the World is concerned (species other than humans) it's another extinction event.

I did not read much past that. Just the rants of another right wing nut or shill for the rich elite.


Interesting.  I know you see this article as some sign that we've never had it so good so fark the poor!  They should be happy they are poor because it's better to be poor now than it ever has been!  But I don't think any rational person would interpret in that way.  I suppose you would have to be a radical far right nut job to think that as you suggest.
 
2013-10-30 09:51:08 AM

capt.hollister: People in general are insufficiently educated about history. In school all we manage to do is provide a list of events and the dates on which they occurred. We never teach how ordinary and historical people lived, what their physical environment was like, what they ate, when they ate, how they procured their food, clothes, shelter, etc...

We have forgotten how war was a near constant, how polluted the environment was for many, how cruel people were towards animals, how ordinary childhood death was, how ordinary work injuries were, how premature death was normal.

We think things today are bad only because we have no memory of how the world of our ancestors was.

The funniest constant is how every single generation, whether in the 750s, the 1450s or the 1950s,  believed things were better in the past than in their current changing times. Must be a human thing.

Some of the most engaging books on how people lived in the past :
http://www.amazon.ca/Time-Travelers-Guide-Medieval-England/dp/143911 29 08
and:
http://www.amazon.ca/Time-Travellers-Guide-Elizabethan-England/dp/18 47 921140


my tricks does something for the kids at Thanksgiving that is excellent historY. they get the kids 5 kernels of corn. They explaiN them that this is how the pilgrims got through the winter. This is your food for the day.
 
2013-10-30 09:51:27 AM

hitlersbrain: The world human race has never had it so good - thanks partly entirely to capitalism technology

As far as the World is concerned (species other than humans) it's another extinction event.

I did not read much past that. Just the rants of another right wing nut or shill for the rich elite.


This. Just to name one issue the author/shill of TFA doesn't mention, our waters.   The Pacific is now irradiated, the Gulf of Mexico is STILL oiled from 2010 (I saw tar on the beach just a few weeks ago and there was a story about a huge "tar mat" on a beach in Louisiana), and the oceans of the world are getting more acidic. Even if nothing else goes wrong, I don't think our technology is enough to save us if the oceans become lifeless.
 
2013-10-30 09:52:03 AM
Tricks...church. whatever phone
 
2013-10-30 09:57:25 AM

ashinmytomatoes: hitlersbrain: The world human race has never had it so good - thanks partly entirely to capitalism technology

As far as the World is concerned (species other than humans) it's another extinction event.

I did not read much past that. Just the rants of another right wing nut or shill for the rich elite.

This. Just to name one issue the author/shill of TFA doesn't mention, our waters.   The Pacific is now irradiated, the Gulf of Mexico is STILL oiled from 2010 (I saw tar on the beach just a few weeks ago and there was a story about a huge "tar mat" on a beach in Louisiana), and the oceans of the world are getting more acidic. Even if nothing else goes wrong, I don't think our technology is enough to save us if the oceans become lifeless.


Again, I don't think any rational person would read this article and think, oh gee we're doing so well so screw everyone else, looks like we're done here, time to do some bad stuff because hell we can afford it since we're better off than we ever have been!

You should look at it like you we're alive 200 years ago.  You would have been able to say the same thing, humans are better than they ever have been.

But I'm sure happy that we decided to progress to the present because things are so much better than they were 200 years ago.  That thought applies to now and if you're too afraid to acknowledge the truth because your afraid of what some nut balls might do then you're no better than the nut balls.
 
2013-10-30 10:01:07 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..lets see. The middle east is killing the shiat out of one another, we are still at war, you cant find a job here in the USA because the republitards have shipped all the jobs overseas to third world countries where they will pay some schmuck 1/3 of what you were making. We are being forced to buy insurance by our government, the jobs you can find have a shiat wage so you need two of them to survive, giving you no free time to enjoy life, you cant afford a new car, so you are forced to drive some old piece of shiat and hope it doesnt break down. Our government cant find its ass with both hands and a road map, And the prices of everything keep going up, while wages stay the same. The dems idea of fiscal responsibility is to raise the debt ceiling, thus increasing taxes to just pay the interest. But you're right, the world is in great shape.


The middle east has always been killing the shiat out of one another, this is nothing new.

Our wars are ramping down.

Outsourcing is done by companies, not political parties with the exception of NAFTA.

The rest is pretty on target, but only really felt by those have had made poor decisions in the past decade. There are still plenty of good paying jobs in the oil/gas industry for people willing to do them. Liberal Arts degreee holders need not apply.
 
2013-10-30 10:04:26 AM
People today are whiny as hell. I don't mean to say that we don't have problems, but, if you think that this is a uniquely bad time in human history, it's because you aren't thinking clearly.

Based on how people react when I say that, that might just be my least popular opinion.
 
2013-10-30 10:07:43 AM

capt.hollister: People in general are insufficiently educated about history. In school all we manage to do is provide a list of events and the dates on which they occurred. We never teach how ordinary and historical people lived, what their physical environment was like, what they ate, when they ate, how they procured their food, clothes, shelter, etc...

We have forgotten how war was a near constant, how polluted the environment was for many, how cruel people were towards animals, how ordinary childhood death was, how ordinary work injuries were, how premature death was normal.

We think things today are bad only because we have no memory of how the world of our ancestors was.

The funniest constant is how every single generation, whether in the 750s, the 1450s or the 1950s,  believed things were better in the past than in their current changing times. Must be a human thing.

Some of the most engaging books on how people lived in the past :
http://www.amazon.ca/Time-Travelers-Guide-Medieval-England/dp/143911 29 08
and:
http://www.amazon.ca/Time-Travellers-Guide-Elizabethan-England/dp/18 47 921140


Good take, I agree. Also thanks for the links, I'll see if the library has those.
 
2013-10-30 10:10:34 AM
In How Much Have Global Problems Cost the World, Danish political scientist Bjorn Lomborg
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2013-10-30 10:12:13 AM

thurstonxhowell: People today are whiny as hell. I don't mean to say that we don't have problems, but, if you think that this is a uniquely bad time in human history, it's because you aren't thinking clearly.

Based on how people react when I say that, that might just be my least popular opinion.


jaybeezey: Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..lets see. The middle east is killing the shiat out of one another, we are still at war, you cant find a job here in the USA because the republitards have shipped all the jobs overseas to third world countries where they will pay some schmuck 1/3 of what you were making. We are being forced to buy insurance by our government, the jobs you can find have a shiat wage so you need two of them to survive, giving you no free time to enjoy life, you cant afford a new car, so you are forced to drive some old piece of shiat and hope it doesnt break down. Our government cant find its ass with both hands and a road map, And the prices of everything keep going up, while wages stay the same. The dems idea of fiscal responsibility is to raise the debt ceiling, thus increasing taxes to just pay the interest. But you're right, the world is in great shape.

The middle east has always been killing the shiat out of one another, this is nothing new.

Our wars are ramping down.

Outsourcing is done by companies, not political parties with the exception of NAFTA.

The rest is pretty on target, but only really felt by those have had made poor decisions in the past decade. There are still plenty of good paying jobs in the oil/gas industry for people willing to do them. Liberal Arts degreee holders need not apply.


I do not deny that people living in any given developed nation today live more comfortably than any human at any time in history. What you guys and the author of TFA are missing is that, back then, humanity didn't have the power to destroy the world. Today, we do. That is scary and it is being destroyed. See my above links about the oceans. Also, we are blowing up mountains, destroying other species, and cutting down trees all the time.
 
2013-10-30 10:22:51 AM
Damn kids today have no idea what it is like to grow up knowing that an unstable leader of the US or USSR could wipe the planet clean of life with the touch of a button.
 
2013-10-30 10:25:52 AM

ashinmytomatoes: I do not deny that people living in any given developed nation today live more comfortably than any human at any time in history. What you guys and the author of TFA are missing is that, back then, humanity didn't have the power to destroy the world. Today, we do. That is scary and it is being destroyed. See my above links about the oceans. Also, we are blo ...


This is true, the world is doing worse while we do better.  But that's not what this article is talking about - This article is talking about today compared with everything before and not what's to come.  We still have the ability to decide what's to come, look to the past as hope for the future.  That's what I take from it...

Of course we cannot continue down that path all things being equal or we for instance will poison all our food/air sources or run out of resources in general.  If that happens on a grand scale then we are all screwed.  There is a give and take between humanity and the earth and we sure do take a lot.  But we will eventually get it right because we will be forced to do so.  I like the idea of planning for all of humanities future today by treating the earth better today but unfortunately it's not human nature (for the majority of us) to see further than our own lifetimes (some of us can barley see further than today).

Continue to fight for what you believe.
 
2013-10-30 10:42:31 AM
True, dat.

In many ways I live better than a King would have just a hundred years ago.
 
2013-10-30 10:46:15 AM
When did the Telegraph change its name to "Ministry of Truth"? This reads like a poorly-written satire: "Aside from the crime, war, self-inflicted economic disasters, and the downturn of virtually every aspect of the quality of life (with the exception of health and longevity) in your lifetime, everything is better than it's ever been. Look over here, the new <latest gadget> is coming out next month!"

Well, you can't have that... But if you're an American citizen you are entitled to: A heated kidney shaped pool, a microwave oven (don't watch the food cook), a Dyna-Gym (I'll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home), a king-size Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum, a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi, real simulated Indian jewelry, a Gucci shoetree, a year's supply of antibiotics, a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth and Bob Dylan's new unlisted phone number, a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick, Rosemary's baby, a dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams, a new Matador, a new mastodon, a Maverick, a Mustang, a Montego, a Merc Montclair, a Mark IV, a Meteor, a Mercedes, an MG, or a Malibu, a Mort Moriarty, a Maserati, a Mac truck, a Mazda, a new Monza, or a moped, a Winnebago - Hell, a herd of Winnebago's we're giving 'em away, or how about a McCulloch chainsaw, a Las Vegas wedding, a Mexican divorce, a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot, or a baby's arm holding an apple?"
 
2013-10-30 10:49:22 AM

ERNesbitt: When did the Telegraph change its name to "Ministry of Truth"? This reads like a poorly-written satire: "Aside from the crime, war, self-inflicted economic disasters, and the downturn of virtually every aspect of the quality of life (with the exception of health and longevity) in your lifetime, everything is better than it's ever been. Look over here, the new <latest gadget> is coming out next month!"

Well, you can't have that... But if you're an American citizen you are entitled to: A heated kidney shaped pool, a microwave oven (don't watch the food cook), a Dyna-Gym (I'll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home), a king-size Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum, a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi, real simulated Indian jewelry, a Gucci shoetree, a year's supply of antibiotics, a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth and Bob Dylan's new unlisted phone number, a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick, Rosemary's baby, a dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams, a new Matador, a new mastodon, a Maverick, a Mustang, a Montego, a Merc Montclair, a Mark IV, a Meteor, a Mercedes, an MG, or a Malibu, a Mort Moriarty, a Maserati, a Mac truck, a Mazda, a new Monza, or a moped, a Winnebago - Hell, a herd of Winnebago's we're giving 'em away, or how about a McCulloch chainsaw, a Las Vegas wedding, a Mexican divorce, a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot, or a baby's arm holding an apple?"


Dude! You will now show up a nice, happy orange on my favorites. Love it.
 
2013-10-30 10:58:47 AM

ashinmytomatoes: See my above links about the oceans. Also, we are blowing up mountains, destroying other species, and cutting down trees all the time.


The article addresses most of those, and I'd wager that the book covers the rest. For my part, I agree with you that those are all real issues. It's still a very, very good time to be alive.

I would argue, also, that pushing a doom and gloom outlook does nothing to help those issues. When you push doom and gloom, you push out hope. People without hope don't fix problems; they complain about them.
 
2013-10-30 11:35:51 AM

thurstonxhowell: ashinmytomatoes: See my above links about the oceans. Also, we are blowing up mountains, destroying other species, and cutting down trees all the time.

The article addresses most of those, and I'd wager that the book covers the rest. For my part, I agree with you that those are all real issues. It's still a very, very good time to be alive.

I would argue, also, that pushing a doom and gloom outlook does nothing to help those issues. When you push doom and gloom, you push out hope. People without hope don't fix problems; they complain about them.


People don't want to know that things really aren't as bad as they believe. Unlike what some believe, things are slowly improving down at the grassroots. Little things are happening which make me an optimist.

20 years ago, we put everything in the garbage. Some still do, but many of more recycle. In the last few years my town has opened an eco-center to collect building materials, old electronics, old tires, old batteries, oils, paint, etc... on weekends you can expect a short lineup, because given the opportunity to safely dispose of this stuff, people will do the right thing.

Ms Capt is trying to change her car. What she really wants is a Chevy Volt extended range electric, but there are no 2014s left to be had anywhere in this province. They are sold-out. Obviously, she is not alone in switching to near zero-emissions driving (our electricity is almost all hydro).  It's all little gestures by individuals that will end up making a difference. I cannot stop people who are blowing up mountains or cutting down rain forests,  but I can do little things that in their own tiny way can mitigate the impact of those actions.
 
2013-10-30 11:38:06 AM

RedTank: hitlersbrain: The world human race has never had it so good - thanks partly entirely to capitalism technology

As far as the World is concerned (species other than humans) it's another extinction event.

I did not read much past that. Just the rants of another right wing nut or shill for the rich elite.

Interesting.  I know you see this article as some sign that we've never had it so good so fark the poor!  They should be happy they are poor because it's better to be poor now than it ever has been!  But I don't think any rational person would interpret in that way.  I suppose you would have to be a radical far right nut job to think that as you suggest.


I never mentioned the poor. I did say the human race is doing better than ever before. I also implied that it is at the expense of every other species on the planet. I also stated that it was technology, not capitalism, that accomplished these wonderful feats. Technology is the pinnacle  of human success, Capitalism is an example of human weakness and failure, driven only by insatiable greed.
 
2013-10-30 12:21:08 PM
I do like indoor plumbing
 
2013-10-30 01:13:20 PM
That article is a huge crock of shiat.


FTFA:

"The world has never had it so good - thanks partly to capitalism"

...

(The author then lists a bunch of improvements which are a direct result of socialist policies and anti-capitalistic gov't regulations)

...

"On balance, however, the world is easily in the best place it's ever been, despite the financial crisis and the threat of terrorism. Thanks to capitalism, globalisation, technology and a reduced tolerance for violence, humanity has never had it so good."



Yeah, whatever.  Yay, capitalism!
 
2013-10-30 01:20:18 PM

I_C_Weener: my tricks does something for the kids at Thanksgiving that is excellent historY. they get the kids 5 kernels of corn. They explaiN them that this is how the pilgrims got through the winter. This is your food for the day.


I'm sorry, but no one is surviving an entire winter on 5 calories of food a day, I don't care how fat they are.
 
2013-10-30 01:27:41 PM
Well on the subject of man's violence against man then the best time in human history is indeed now.  Read this book now:

upload.wikimedia.org

Of course if we don't get moving on some environmental concerns most notably climate change, its consequences, ocean acidification, and habitat loss then we could indeed have some bad times ahead.  So lets get to to work.
 
2013-10-30 02:17:19 PM

duke3522: We live in a Golden Age, and we are to stupid to realize it.  I pretty much live at the bottom of the ladder, and still live better than almost everyone who has ever lived.


Yeah, I mean I'm a billion dollars in debt, about to lose my house, I have healthcare but my insurance gets denied for everything despite costing $550/mo, my neighbors are meth addicts, the government is spying on me, and I can't get a job.

But I got a blow job last week so like.  You know.  I live better than anyone who's ever lived.

/That's how farking retarded these kinds of analysis are.
 
2013-10-30 03:02:58 PM

bluefoxicy: duke3522: We live in a Golden Age, and we are to stupid to realize it.  I pretty much live at the bottom of the ladder, and still live better than almost everyone who has ever lived.

Yeah, I mean I'm a billion dollars in debt, about to lose my house, I have healthcare but my insurance gets denied for everything despite costing $550/mo, my neighbors are meth addicts, the government is spying on me, and I can't get a job.

But I got a blow job last week so like.  You know.  I live better than anyone who's ever lived.

/That's how farking retarded these kinds of analysis are.


Can you identify an epoch in the past where you would have been better off ?
 
2013-10-30 03:15:39 PM

capt.hollister: Can you identify an epoch in the past where you would have been better off ?


Feudal Japan.  I would have been a farmer, and not allowed to travel anywhere, and health care would be worse but eh.  I've gotten very little out of modern health care--the sum total is hugely negative, up to and including induced sociopathy and psychosis (I never made any friends because I was on drugs until I was 16 because they decided everyone needed to be on ritalin in the 90s).

But I'd have food, a place to live in--probably a shiathole, but I lived in a slumlord apartment for a while--and a pretty stable life.  I'd have less debt.  I'd keep more of my labor than I keep now--probably around 20%, whereas now my employer passes me 4%-9% and the government takes a third of that in taxes and then whatever I spend I spend on taxes like sales tax (6%) or fuel tax; when it comes down to it, even with social services, I keep well under 10% of the products of my labor.

Life would be shorter.  But maybe more interesting, and less stressful.
 
2013-10-30 04:44:45 PM

RedTank: This is totally true... All the sarcasm in this thread can't take away from that. The fact that we as  a species are doing better than we ever have isn't an excuse to halt progress or to not help people, which is something I know you're all afraid of.


In addition to living in the most prosperous times in human history, we're also living in a time of record levels of charitable giving.
 
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