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(Hartford Courant)   CT man who apparently did not watch enough Dog Whisperer, decides to use the tried and true shock collar instead. Unfortunately, he does not own a dog   (courant.com ) divider line
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2013-10-30 09:15:27 AM  
Good thing it was a low voltage.
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2013-10-30 09:20:17 AM  
That was kind of stupid.  By the time the kid is old enough to make it necessary they usually have the manual dexterity to remove it.
 
2013-10-30 09:53:43 AM  

EvilEgg: That was kind of stupid.  By the time the kid is old enough to make it necessary they usually have the manual dexterity to remove it.


Which is why I recommend a padlock mechanism affixed to the back to hold it in place.
 
2013-10-30 09:54:06 AM  
That's not allowed?
 
2013-10-30 09:55:16 AM  
"Child in his care". Not his child? Whose, then?
 
2013-10-30 09:56:41 AM  

Carn: That's not allowed?


Correct, even if the little demonspawn really deserves it.

/But the Constitution allows you to think about doing it so you've got that going for you
 
2013-10-30 09:57:42 AM  

bighairyguy: Carn: That's not allowed?

Correct, even if the little demonspawn really deserves it.

/But the Constitution allows you to think about doing it so you've got that going for you


It was either this or the padlock joke but I chose wisely as I see xaldin covered the other angle.
 
2013-10-30 09:58:23 AM  
Aren't they considered slaves?  Ok, fine.. then a taser will have to do.
 
2013-10-30 09:58:43 AM  
"cruelty to persons, third-degree assault and two counts of risk of injury to a minor."

..but it's perfectly fine and safe to use on a dog??
 
2013-10-30 10:00:40 AM  
Testifying as an expert witness on behalf of the defendant: Dr Matthew Israel.
 
2013-10-30 10:00:47 AM  
Shock collars are bad enough to use on a dog. Why the fark would anyone get the idea that using it on your own child would ever be okay? I hope these farking parents will lose their child, because obviously they have no regards to safety. No action that child could ever do can justify that kind of torture!!
 
2013-10-30 10:01:32 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Good thing it was a low voltage.
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NO CHICO!!! NO!!!
 
2013-10-30 10:01:53 AM  
Tough love
 
2013-10-30 10:05:18 AM  
I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.
 
2013-10-30 10:05:43 AM  
Would using it on your spouse be okay?
 
2013-10-30 10:06:06 AM  
Did he make the kid smoke a carton of Bronco cigarettes?
 
2013-10-30 10:06:14 AM  

FoxEWolf: Shock collars are bad enough to use on a dog. Why the fark would anyone get the idea that using it on your own child would ever be okay? I hope these farking parents will lose their child, because obviously they have no regards to safety. No action that child could ever do can justify that kind of torture!!


Nah, just make them run around the house until they die of exhaustion because they ate a candy bar.
 
2013-10-30 10:08:36 AM  

AntonChigger: I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.


Tested a bark collar on myself before affixing it to my dog. Had to adjust it to its lowest setting for it to be uncomfortable but not painful when it went off. Even then, I only had it on my dog when I left the house.
 
2013-10-30 10:10:24 AM  

fredklein: "cruelty to persons, third-degree assault and two counts of risk of injury to a minor."

..but it's perfectly fine and safe to use on a dog??


1. dogs aren't people
2. dogs have really high pain thresholds compared to people

Look, I love dogs and I'm going to adopt one as soon as I get a big enough place.  But they're still animals and don't get the same protections as people, especially children.
 
2013-10-30 10:11:20 AM  
The important question was not answered!

Did the little shiat start behaving after they used the collar on him?

/Journalists today are lazy.
 
2013-10-30 10:12:53 AM  

fredklein: "cruelty to persons, third-degree assault and two counts of risk of injury to a minor."

..but it's perfectly fine and safe to use on a dog??


No, of course not. To correct a dog's behavior, you strike it roughly on the haunches with your hand, a stick, or a paddle designed for beating dogs. After a few such applications, the dog's behavior will change, because it will start to cower when you're around.

It's not animal abuse to beat your dog. Making it cry is how you train it.
 
2013-10-30 10:15:49 AM  
This came up a dinner last night.  I told my kids that I would never ever do that to them.  Not because there is anything wrong with shocking them but because I fairly sure they could turn the collar into a tazer.
 
2013-10-30 10:19:26 AM  
Maybe the kid's barking was keeping the neighbors up at night.
 
2013-10-30 10:20:12 AM  
Skink approves
Chaz Perrone lights a smoke
 
2013-10-30 10:21:09 AM  

AntonChigger: I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.


Hell, I'm not quite certain what a dog looks like.
 
2013-10-30 10:34:33 AM  

sbchamp: Skink approves
Chaz Perrone lights a smoke


whosawesomeyoureawesome.jpg

i hoped beyond hope someone would make this reference.
you, sir, are a faith restorer!
 
2013-10-30 10:37:40 AM  

AntonChigger: I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.


I saw a gullible youngster (16-17) put one on and it looks quite painful.  FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9qiGCq5sk

/FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry. Yeah, that didn't hurt a bit.
 
2013-10-30 10:39:58 AM  

AntonChigger: I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.


I trust you know what working for the US Mint feels like.
 
2013-10-30 10:56:16 AM  
How are you suppose to properly clicker train your child without mild corrective shock to use as continuous punishment to serve as a base for negative reinforcement? Next you're going to tell me I can't blast him with an air horn every time the cat gets near him.
 
2013-10-30 10:58:45 AM  

Gonz: fredklein: "cruelty to persons, third-degree assault and two counts of risk of injury to a minor."

..but it's perfectly fine and safe to use on a dog??

No, of course not. To correct a dog's behavior, you strike it roughly on the haunches with your hand, a stick, or a paddle designed for beating dogs. After a few such applications, the dog's behavior will change, because it will start to cower when you're around.

It's not animal abuse to beat your dog. Making it cry is how you train it.


Is not that also how children are to be trained?

/Advocate of leash laws for children.
 
2013-10-30 11:11:47 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: fredklein: "cruelty to persons, third-degree assault and two counts of risk of injury to a minor."

..but it's perfectly fine and safe to use on a dog??

1. dogs aren't people
2. dogs have really high pain thresholds compared to people

Look, I love dogs and I'm going to adopt one as soon as I get a big enough place.  But they're still animals and don't get the same protections as people, especially children.


#1 is simply a statement of fact, not an actual argument or piece of reasoning to support your statements in any substantive way.
#2 is an old canard used by people about anything they want to lessen sympathy for. For instance, the same myth used to be perpetuated about black people in order to justify continuing slavery. I doubt there's much truth to it especially since those collars work precisely because they inflict pain. If they didn't hurt they wouldn't work.

And to provide context, the latest scientific research teaches us that dogs have an intellectual capacity roughly equivalent to a 2-3 year old human child - including a whole range of familiar emotions.

Now I'm not saying that all corporal punishment of living things is wrong, au contraire, an occasional swat on the tush may be one of the best teaching tools for a 2-3 year old (circumstances and reasonable restraint assumed) and in training my own dog (with guidance from local professionals) mild physical corrections were used... but electric shocks seems like too much to me. That's usually considered torture when we apply them to each other. I don't see how applying them to another species would be any different.
 
2013-10-30 11:51:44 AM  

Cold_Sassy: AntonChigger: I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.

I saw a gullible youngster (16-17) put one on and it looks quite painful.  FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9qiGCq5sk

/FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry. Yeah, that didn't hurt a bit.


Idiot probably had it turned up really high, which you NEVER, EVER do unless it's an extreme situation, like say a very large breed dog that is very strong and about to cause serious and life threatening harm to someone. Normal training levels for most dogs are not much more than an annoying tickle.
 
2013-10-30 11:59:17 AM  

AntonChigger: Cold_Sassy: AntonChigger: I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.

I saw a gullible youngster (16-17) put one on and it looks quite painful.  FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9qiGCq5sk

/FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry. Yeah, that didn't hurt a bit.

Idiot probably had it turned up really high, which you NEVER, EVER do unless it's an extreme situation, like say a very large breed dog that is very strong and about to cause serious and life threatening harm to someone. Normal training levels for most dogs are not much more than an annoying tickle.


Sounds like it could be fun. Any ideas on how I convince my girlfriend to wear it?
 
2013-10-30 12:01:24 PM  

Russ1642: AntonChigger: Cold_Sassy: AntonChigger: I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.

I saw a gullible youngster (16-17) put one on and it looks quite painful.  FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9qiGCq5sk

/FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry. Yeah, that didn't hurt a bit.

Idiot probably had it turned up really high, which you NEVER, EVER do unless it's an extreme situation, like say a very large breed dog that is very strong and about to cause serious and life threatening harm to someone. Normal training levels for most dogs are not much more than an annoying tickle.

Sounds like it could be fun. Any ideas on how I convince my girlfriend to wear it?


Put it on while she's sleeping?
 
2013-10-30 12:06:50 PM  

mongbiohazard: those collars work precisely because they inflict pain. If they didn't hurt they wouldn't work.


That's a common misconception... if you think a shock collar inflicts pain, then you might be using it incorrectly.

Most shock collars have an adjustable strength setting. At the lowest strength, most dogs show no visible reaction at all to the stimulation. The idea being that you work your way up find the lowest possible current that your dog can even feel. When they feel stimulation at this level, it feels much less like any sort of electric shock, and more like a Dog Whisperer style poke.
 
2013-10-30 12:10:28 PM  

AntonChigger: Russ1642: AntonChigger: Cold_Sassy: AntonChigger: I see the "people who use shock collars on dogs are monsters" brigade is already here. I trust very few of you know what a shock collar even feels like.

I saw a gullible youngster (16-17) put one on and it looks quite painful.  FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9qiGCq5sk

/FF to 1:45 if you are in a hurry. Yeah, that didn't hurt a bit.

Idiot probably had it turned up really high, which you NEVER, EVER do unless it's an extreme situation, like say a very large breed dog that is very strong and about to cause serious and life threatening harm to someone. Normal training levels for most dogs are not much more than an annoying tickle.

Sounds like it could be fun. Any ideas on how I convince my girlfriend to wear it?

Put it on while she's sleeping?


My bad. I should have asked for GOOD ideas on how I can convince my girlfriend to wear it.
 
2013-10-30 12:18:17 PM  
Great now we won't be able to legally buy dog collars in CT!
 
2013-10-30 12:33:53 PM  
AntonChigger:
Idiot probably had it turned up really high, which you NEVER, EVER do unless it's an extreme situation, like say a very large breed dog that is very strong and about to cause serious and life threatening harm to someone. Normal training levels for most dogs are not much more than an annoying tickle.

A few years ago, a guy I knew bought one of these for his dog, and made the horrible mistake of bringing it to the local bar - and leaving it on the counter while he went to the bathroom.

So, of course, we talked him into trying the thing out for himself - you know, for testing purposes. It was, of course, at max power by the time he came back.

He even pushed the button on the remote himself.

Right before he fell off of the stool.

/He never put it on the dog.
 
2013-10-30 12:36:21 PM  

The Bear: mongbiohazard: those collars work precisely because they inflict pain. If they didn't hurt they wouldn't work.

That's a common misconception... if you think a shock collar inflicts pain, then you might be using it incorrectly.

Most shock collars have an adjustable strength setting. At the lowest strength, most dogs show no visible reaction at all to the stimulation. The idea being that you work your way up find the lowest possible current that your dog can even feel. When they feel stimulation at this level, it feels much less like any sort of electric shock, and more like a Dog Whisperer style poke.


Utter and complete bullshiat.

Dogs have pain receptors just like we do. Electric shocks hurt, that's how they get our attention and that's how they get the dog's attention. That's the point of pain.

A dog's natural instinct is to hide pain if they can, as showing signs of pain will be perceived as weakness in a pack, so by the time they're showing visible signs it is hurting them like a motherfarker. They just don't have the ability to explain to us what we're doing to them, which makes it easy for us humans to rationalize our empathy away with unsuppported nonsense about them somehow, magically, not feeling pain like we do.
 
2013-10-30 12:51:55 PM  
In his defense...
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2013-10-30 12:54:29 PM  
" ... UnfortunatelyFortunately he doesn't own a dog"

FTFS
 
2013-10-30 01:51:02 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: fredklein: "cruelty to persons, third-degree assault and two counts of risk of injury to a minor."

..but it's perfectly fine and safe to use on a dog??

1. dogs aren't people


So it's perfectly fine to be "cruel to dogs" and to commit "assault" on dogs, and cause "risk of injury to a dog"??

2. dogs have really high pain thresholds compared to people


Cite?
 
2013-10-30 01:52:54 PM  
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2013-10-30 02:08:38 PM  

fredklein: "cruelty to persons, third-degree assault and two counts of risk of injury to a minor."

..but it's perfectly fine and safe to use on a dog??


Yeah I was thinking, this is apparently an okay thing to do to living things; it seems like a reasonable assumption to use it for behavioral management since it's a behavioral management tool.
 
2013-10-30 02:10:12 PM  

Ghengis_Socrates: Would using it on your spouse be okay?


Only with a safe word.
 
2013-10-30 02:33:50 PM  
There are things that are perfectly acceptable to do to a dog that are not acceptable to do to a child.

1. Crate training
2. Making them eat off the floor
3. Not allowing them on furniture
4. Euthanasia
5. Making them swim through a cold swamp to go get your dead ducks
6. Selling
7. Using corrective shocks as training
 
2013-10-30 02:44:58 PM  

mongbiohazard: The Bear: mongbiohazard: those collars work precisely because they inflict pain. If they didn't hurt they wouldn't work.

That's a common misconception... if you think a shock collar inflicts pain, then you might be using it incorrectly.

Most shock collars have an adjustable strength setting. At the lowest strength, most dogs show no visible reaction at all to the stimulation. The idea being that you work your way up find the lowest possible current that your dog can even feel. When they feel stimulation at this level, it feels much less like any sort of electric shock, and more like a Dog Whisperer style poke.

Utter and complete bullshiat.

Dogs have pain receptors just like we do. Electric shocks hurt, that's how they get our attention and that's how they get the dog's attention. That's the point of pain.

A dog's natural instinct is to hide pain if they can, as showing signs of pain will be perceived as weakness in a pack, so by the time they're showing visible signs it is hurting them like a motherfarker. They just don't have the ability to explain to us what we're doing to them, which makes it easy for us humans to rationalize our empathy away with unsuppported nonsense about them somehow, magically, not feeling pain like we do.


Seriously?  Have you ever felt a shock collar on a really low setting?  I have, and it doesn't hurt one bit.
 
2013-10-30 03:44:59 PM  
Copied from an article here: Where it was also copied from...

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2013-10-30 04:13:39 PM  

EvilEgg: There are things that are perfectly acceptable to do to a dog that are not acceptable to do to a child.

1. Crate training
2. Making them eat off the floor
3. Not allowing them on furniture
4. Euthanasia
5. Making them swim through a cold swamp to go get your dead ducks
6. Selling
7. Using corrective shocks as training


Why not?
 
2013-10-30 04:31:04 PM  

EvilEgg: There are things that are perfectly acceptable to do to a dog that are not acceptable to do to a child.

1. Crate training


Go to your room!

2. Making them eat off the floor

Picnic in the living room!  Yay!

3. Not allowing them on furniture

Depends on which furniture.  Couch? Yes. Momma's computer desk? No.

4. Euthanasia

You can in Belgium.

5. Making them swim through a cold swamp to go get your dead ducks

Later.  They're still a bit young.  But my 2-year-old is very good at fetching a thrown ball.

6. Selling

Not many Roma in southern Saskatchewan, so you've got me there.

7. Using corrective shocks as training

Depends.  Are you in Massachusetts?
 
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