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(Opposing Views)   Advocacy group isn't sure why it's outraged, but it's still very outraged. "Our problem is not with the attire itself; it is with the fact that Pottery Barn is marketing these outfits as costumes"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 167
    More: Stupid, Pottery Barn, Asian Americans, advocacy group, Williams-Sonoma, Pacific Islanders, Quite Frankly  
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2013-10-30 09:34:36 AM
But what else would one dress as if your baby is dressed as nigiri but a sushi chef?  What if dad was already a sushi chef, could he wear his work uniform... even if he wasn't of the "appropriate" race or ethnicity?

Seriously, though: I just think the baby dressed as sushi is cute as hell.
 
2013-10-30 09:51:41 AM
See, this is how it is. If you dress up as a person you are not -- and this is true whether it be a person from another culture, a person from another profession, a person of another gender, or any person who is not you -- what you are really doing is reducing that other person to a stereotype. Taking the example of a sushi chef, no costume that a non-sushi chef can assemble can ever capture every nuance, every tick, every bit of individuality of an *actual* sushi chef. Therefore, any such costume is, at its base, an offense against the person being stereotyped -- it is a reduction of them to mere outline, caricature, absurdity. It is a removal of their humanity, a transformation of them into some "thing" to be belittled, mocked, and ultimately destroyed. This sort of dehumanization, incidentally, is exactly what permitted atrocities like the Holocaust to take place. Think about that as you celebrate Halloween -- are you really celebrating genocide?
 
2013-10-30 10:00:54 AM
My mother bought (from Pottery Barn Kids, no less!) my daughter a purple Faerie costume for Halloween this year. She wore it to a neighbor's kids Halloween party on Sunday...for about ten minutes. Then she came home and switched into an older chef costume. As my mom bought it, I'm sure it also came form Pottery Barn Kids (she works there, after all). Red apron, red and white checkered oven mitt and trivet, a rolling pin and a nice tall toque (she is, obviously, the most important person in the kitchen).

I'm guessing it was offensive to...the French?
 
2013-10-30 10:24:27 AM
"We were surprised, quite frankly, to see these costumes being sold by a retailer based in San Francisco, a progressive city where more than one-third of residents are of Asian American descent,"


Then maybe you are overreacting?
 
2013-10-30 10:24:38 AM

Pocket Ninja: See, this is how it is. If you dress up as a person you are not -- and this is true whether it be a person from another culture, a person from another profession, a person of another gender, or any person who is not you -- what you are really doing is reducing that other person to a stereotype. Taking the example of a sushi chef, no costume that a non-sushi chef can assemble can ever capture every nuance, every tick, every bit of individuality of an *actual* sushi chef. Therefore, any such costume is, at its base, an offense against the person being stereotyped -- it is a reduction of them to mere outline, caricature, absurdity. It is a removal of their humanity, a transformation of them into some "thing" to be belittled, mocked, and ultimately destroyed. This sort of dehumanization, incidentally, is exactly what permitted atrocities like the Holocaust to take place. Think about that as you celebrate Halloween -- are you really celebrating genocide?


Yay genocide!
 
2013-10-30 10:25:31 AM

Pocket Ninja: are you really celebrating genocide?


I was stuck for what to go as this year.
Definitely concentration camp survivor.
Little charcoal to sink the cheeks, some raggity grey clothes no shoes. crewcut.
yeah, I'll win.
 
2013-10-30 10:25:37 AM
Well, it is racist, but it's not illegal.  I don't shop at "pottery barn" in the first place, so I can't exactly boycott them.
 
2013-10-30 10:26:37 AM
Did I just read a below-par Onion article or a massive troll?
 
2013-10-30 10:26:47 AM
Oh, for fark's sake. What a load of crap.
 
2013-10-30 10:27:36 AM
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Next you're going to tell me she's not really a nurse!?!?!
 
2013-10-30 10:27:47 AM
Better let all non-Asian sushi chefs know that they're invalid and offensive, since being a sushi chef apparently is intrinsically linked with being Japanese.
 
2013-10-30 10:29:04 AM
He missed some key cultural traits. Like how Japanese tend to wear very thick round spectacles, have protruding teeth and speak in pidgin English.
 
2013-10-30 10:29:30 AM
This is the first time I heard about Asians complaining about petty bullshiat like this.

They are starting to learn from the other minorities...
 
2013-10-30 10:29:47 AM
rockchoice.com

Sorry ... Asians lost their claim to kimono dominance  in 1976
 
2013-10-30 10:30:01 AM
How much is Opposing Views paying for all of these front page links?
 
2013-10-30 10:30:25 AM
Come on! It is Halloween! Just be happy.
 
2013-10-30 10:30:47 AM
I find it hard to believe that anyone would find this offensive.
 
2013-10-30 10:30:48 AM
On the one hand, I don't think this is terribly offensive, especially as Halloween costumes go. On the other hand, it's not up to anyone to decide what's offensive to someone else.

On the gripping hand, you're not a slave to someone else's offense, either. I say go after the Redskins and skip this one. If you muddy the waters, you're not going to make much progress. Pick your battles.

Of course, a lot depends on how Pottery Barn advertised this, yadda yadda. But I've stopped caring.
 
2013-10-30 10:30:51 AM
Yep. It is offensive because the idea that there are asian sushi chefs or that they wear kimono's is false. All asians wear waistcoats, top hats and pencenez!
 
2013-10-30 10:31:00 AM
Me rikee honolable article! Me rikee velly muchee!
 
2013-10-30 10:32:23 AM
oh noes, how dare you dress up as...er, someone else?

Get out of our free country and take your biatching elsewhere
 
2013-10-30 10:32:32 AM
As a muppet, I AM OFFENDED!


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2013-10-30 10:32:52 AM
Jeezus some people are thin skinned.  I think I'm going as Micheal Vick - Who has a put bull I can borrow.
 
2013-10-30 10:32:57 AM

ikanreed: Well, it is racist, but it's not illegal.


But is it offensive? Really? A sushi chef?
 
2013-10-30 10:33:10 AM
Meh.  Some people aren't happy unless they're angry.
 
2013-10-30 10:33:11 AM

FoxEWolf: Come on! It is Halloween! Just be happy.


No.
 
2013-10-30 10:33:11 AM

SpectroBoy: Next you're going to tell me she's not really a nurse!?!?!


Hey, maybe she really isn't a nurse. The important thing, however, is that she made me feel better.

And really, sushi chef costume is racist? The next thing you know there will be an article on the main page of Fark getting all up in arms about blackface or something.
 
2013-10-30 10:33:33 AM

Egoy3k: I find it hard to believe that anyone would find this offensive.


I find it easy to believe that someone, somewhere, has little better to do than to shout "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!" over the slightest of perceived slights.
 
2013-10-30 10:33:42 AM

ikanreed: Well, it is racist, but it's not illegal.  I don't shop at "pottery barn" in the first place, so I can't exactly boycott them.


Did the costume come with eye-slanters? Then it's not racist
 
2013-10-30 10:34:20 AM
Remember remember, the eve of November, the nigri, inari, gimbop...

/ Got nuthin'
 
2013-10-30 10:37:48 AM

ikanreed: Well, it is racist, but it's not illegal.  I don't shop at "pottery barn" in the first place, so I can't exactly boycott them.


Do you even know what "racist" actually means?
 
2013-10-30 10:39:46 AM

baconbeard: ikanreed: Well, it is racist, but it's not illegal.  I don't shop at "pottery barn" in the first place, so I can't exactly boycott them.

Do you even know what "racist" actually means?


If dressing as a sushi chef is racist then pretty much any costume of any human is racist.

hint: They're not
 
2013-10-30 10:40:52 AM
Aw, whose panties* are in a bunch? Sheesh.

* or briefs - would hate to be called sexist.
 
2013-10-30 10:40:56 AM

Pocket Ninja: See, this is how it is. If you dress up as a person you are not -- and this is true whether it be a person from another culture, a person from another profession, a person of another gender, or any person who is not you -- what you are really doing is reducing that other person to a stereotype. Taking the example of a sushi chef, no costume that a non-sushi chef can assemble can ever capture every nuance, every tick, every bit of individuality of an *actual* sushi chef. Therefore, any such costume is, at its base, an offense against the person being stereotyped -- it is a reduction of them to mere outline, caricature, absurdity. It is a removal of their humanity, a transformation of them into some "thing" to be belittled, mocked, and ultimately destroyed. This sort of dehumanization, incidentally, is exactly what permitted atrocities like the Holocaust to take place. Think about that as you celebrate Halloween -- are you really celebrating genocide?


We should ban Halloween costumes and everyone should trick-or-treat naked. Oh, sorry, that would be much worse than genocide.
 
2013-10-30 10:41:17 AM
This is getting ridiculous. You can't dress up as anything anymore without offending someone. There was an article here the other day that said if you dress up as a cowboy for Halloween that's offensive. What?
 
Biv
2013-10-30 10:41:33 AM
Oh, for the love of Christ.

Lets go over this once again.

1.  You do not have the right to not be offended.
2.  Just because something is iconic of a particular culture, that doesn't make it offensive.
3.  You can only be offended if you choose to be.  If you are are offended by something like this, YOU are the one at fault.
4. You're not offended, knock it off.
 
2013-10-30 10:41:35 AM
When will these people learn that it's NOT ok to denigrate a race of people who have a strong minority position.  Keep the costumes to things like Native American Indians or Muslims.  People who don't have the political numbers nor have the support of other minorities.
 
2013-10-30 10:42:12 AM
Don't let them see Eastbound and Down's last episode.The Guy's Asian themed party and "Dragon Boat" races was too funny. Asian Americans Advancing Justice might actually shiat letters of disapproval.
 
2013-10-30 10:43:33 AM

fustanella: Aw, whose panties* are in a bunch? Sheesh.


No, it's panties. Otherwise, with what will they stock the vending machines?
 
2013-10-30 10:43:35 AM
Still better than the Asiana Airlines pilots fake names costumes.
 
2013-10-30 10:44:33 AM
And what did the retailer do?  Cave in immediately, apologize, and pull the items.  That's why these fringe groups pull this crap.  I'm a middle aged white IT guy with glasses.  Kids dress like nerds for Halloween.  I'm not offended.  I could give a crap less.  I just make sure I give them the "special" candy I have set aside for the little assholes that think it's funny to make fun of my pocket protector.
 
2013-10-30 10:46:02 AM
Yes, but was it a sexy sushi-chef costume?
 
2013-10-30 10:46:04 AM
Wow another case of cultural over sensitivity. I am sure the most outraged/offended were white middle class people.
 
Biv
2013-10-30 10:47:55 AM
 I don't want to offend anyone's culture, so I'm going to dress up as an off duty Delta pilot.


Who wants to sit next to me?
 
2013-10-30 10:48:14 AM
Offensive and racist?

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Biv
2013-10-30 10:48:31 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Wow another case of cultural over sensitivity. I am sure the most outraged/offended were white middle class people.

Always are.
 
2013-10-30 10:49:22 AM
More proof that liberals are delusional.  They save that diversity is great but when you recognize the differences between groups they claim it is racist.  Since statistics and polling shows us the average liberal is illiterate I really shouldn't be too surprised by this.
 
2013-10-30 10:50:00 AM
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2013-10-30 10:51:13 AM

Watubi: When will these people learn that it's NOT ok to denigrate a race of people who have a strong minority position.  Keep the costumes to things like Native American Indians or Muslims.  People who don't have the political numbers nor have the support of other minorities.


There's no racial denigration going on here
 
2013-10-30 10:53:15 AM

SlothB77: Still better than the Asiana Airlines pilots fake names costumes.


Is Sum Ting Wong, Sloth?
 
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