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(Guardian)   "The Air Force examined the plane's technical characteristics and evaluated its performance to see how the US government's weapons and aircraft compared tactically under the Have Doughnut program"   (theguardian.com) divider line 27
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-30 07:22:49 AM
That's pretty much common knowledge.  There have been sightings of later aircraft like the MiG 29.
 
2013-10-30 07:25:06 AM
It doesn't surprise me in the least we got a hold of a MiG-21 before a -17.  Even if it's the Chengdu knockoff, I fully expect at least a half-dozen air forces to still operate the damn thing 25-30 years from now.
 
2013-10-30 07:30:12 AM
My how things have changed.  You can now buy a flight-worthy MiG-21 for about $70,000:

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MIKOYAN-M IG -21-UM/1967-MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1163877.htm
 
2013-10-30 07:41:02 AM

dittybopper: My how things have changed.  You can now buy a flight-worthy MiG-21 for about $70,000:

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MIKOYAN-M IG -21-UM/1967-MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1163877.htm


Vacuum tubes sold separately
 
2013-10-30 07:47:35 AM

UNC_Samurai: dittybopper: My how things have changed.  You can now buy a flight-worthy MiG-21 for about $70,000:

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MIKOYAN-M IG -21-UM/1967-MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1163877.htm

Vacuum tubes sold separately


Nothing wrong with vacuum tubes.  Right now, I'm sitting next to a Kenwood TS-520 ham radio transceiver that has 3 vacuum tubes in it, a 12BY7A driver and two 6146B finals.

The radio is about 40-ish years old now, and I just had it re-tubed last year.  It was still running on the original tubes.

I fully expect those new tubes to last at least another 20 years.
 
2013-10-30 08:20:02 AM

dittybopper: My how things have changed.  You can now buy a flight-worthy MiG-21 for about $70,000:

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MIKOYAN-M IG -21-UM/1967-MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1163877.htm


Damn, well, now I know what I want for Christmas.

/don't even want to think what the hourly operating costs are.
 
2013-10-30 08:28:59 AM

devildog123: dittybopper: My how things have changed.  You can now buy a flight-worthy MiG-21 for about $70,000:

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MIKOYAN-M IG -21-UM/1967-MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1163877.htm

Damn, well, now I know what I want for Christmas.

/don't even want to think what the hourly operating costs are.


That particular aircraft used to fly out of Burlington, VT, and I remember reading an interview with the pilot.  Fuel consumption was such that when he told the tower he had to land, he had to land, because otherwise he'd run out of fuel, and as you might well imagine, a MiG-21 has the gliding characteristics of a brick with a couple of 3x5 cards taped on to it for wings.
 
2013-10-30 08:49:54 AM
From what I've heard, they also built a Mig-25 based on the measurements they got from Viktor Belenko's
aircraft back in 1976.
 
2013-10-30 08:56:14 AM
Apparently, there are a bunch of privately owned jet fighters in the US:

MiG-21:  44
MiG-17: 27
MiG-15: 43
MiG-23: 3
Su-25: 1
Su-27: 3
F-16: 3
F-86:  29
F-100: 8
F-15:  5
F-18: 1
F-5:  5
T-38:  40

That's a pretty farkin' impressive Air Force if you ask me, and that's not an exhaustive list.

You can search to see if your favorite military aircraft is owned by civilians in the US here:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/AcftRef_Inquiry.aspx
 
2013-10-30 09:03:19 AM
There's a great book called Red Eagles, about the secret US Mig program.  Highly recommended.
 
2013-10-30 09:06:47 AM

UNC_Samurai: I fully expect at least a half-dozen air forces to still operate the damn thing 25-30 years from now.


Well, we're still using the B-52, aren't we?

//which might also be still around in 30 years
 
2013-10-30 09:08:45 AM

dittybopper: Apparently, there are a bunch of privately owned jet fighters in the US:

MiG-21:  44
MiG-17: 27
MiG-15: 43
MiG-23: 3
Su-25: 1
Su-27: 3
F-16: 3
F-86:  29
F-100: 8
F-15:  5
F-18: 1
F-5:  5
T-38:  40


Most of those American manufactured "Civilian" owned jets are owned by the manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, Boeing etc. Most of the T-38s are Wizard T-38s... Home built ultralights.  But there are a few civie T-38s.  Ross Perot Jr. owns one painted like a Thunderbirds Jet.  There's also the Collins Foundations F-4 Phantom II.

The Ruskie  jets are fair game for civies to buy though.
 
2013-10-30 09:13:44 AM

DjangoStonereaver: From what I've heard, they also built a Mig-25 based on the measurements they got from Viktor Belenko's
aircraft back in 1976.


They didn't build one.  They didn't have the time to make a duplicate, but they really didn't have to:  They took the entire thing apart, and they had the pilot who was willing to spill everything he knew about its performance.
 
2013-10-30 09:18:08 AM

UNC_Samurai: Vacuum tubes sold separately


You can still buy them (they're manufactured for legacy purposes and still used in audio equipment) or just replace them with solid-state hardware or emulation instead for a couple hundred bucks including the laptop and the mounting brackets.

Arkanaut: Well, we're still using the B-52, aren't we?

//which might also be still around in 30 years


I don't know about the 52 specifically, but the B-series in general has been around in more or less the same specs since WW2 and will probably still be the template for your basic US bomber in WW3 (WW4 will be fought with sticks and hurled rocks).

Most of the updates between models are basically what I mention above-- replacing equipment with higher-efficiency/cheaper hardware of identical functionality while keeping most of the same "shell".
 
2013-10-30 09:26:58 AM

Jim_Callahan: I don't know about the 52 specifically, but the B-series in general has been around in more or less the same specs since WW2 and will probably still be the template for your basic US bomber in WW3 (WW4 will be fought with sticks and hurled rocks).



Uh, you do know there is no relation between B designated aircraft except their intended purpose... right?  There's no shared specs or template and there have been radical changes since the end of WWII.  Unless you think the B-50 and B-58 are similar...
 
2013-10-30 09:43:01 AM

Click Click D'oh: Most of those American manufactured "Civilian" owned jets are owned by the manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, Boeing etc. Most of the T-38s are Wizard T-38s... Home built ultralights.  But there are a few civie T-38s.  Ross Perot Jr. owns one painted like a Thunderbirds Jet.  There's also the Collins Foundations F-4 Phantom II.

 Actually, the majority of the T-38's on my list are owned by NASA.  Which is sort of misleading if you ask me, because the Type Certificate field is set to 'Amateur'.
I specifically filtered out the Wizard T-38s by using "Northrop" as the manufacturer.
 
2013-10-30 09:45:17 AM

dittybopper: DjangoStonereaver: From what I've heard, they also built a Mig-25 based on the measurements they got from Viktor Belenko's
aircraft back in 1976.

They didn't build one.  They didn't have the time to make a duplicate, but they really didn't have to:  They took the entire thing apart, and they had the pilot who was willing to spill everything he knew about its performance.


The Israelis got one from iraqi defector I think. That may have been a mig21 though. I don't remember.
 
2013-10-30 09:48:14 AM
I didn't know about the planes, but in the early to mid 70s i worked at a site that did testing on soviet armor and artillery pieces. I was told at the time they were on loan from the Israelis after being captured during the six days war.

IIRC, I think a T72 and a smoothbore 90mm anti tank gun were involved, but that was a long time ago and i might be wrong.


//color me not surprised that the airforce had their own toys to play with
//
 
2013-10-30 09:55:02 AM
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I can haz donut naow?
 
2013-10-30 09:58:46 AM
dittybopper:  Actually, the majority of the T-38's on my list are owned by NASA.  Which is sort of misleading if you ask me, because the Type Certificate field is set to 'Amateur'.I specifically filtered out the Wizard T-38s by using "Northrop" as the manufacturer.

Ah yes, the NASA fleet of T-38s.  They will also account for some F-16s, F-18s and F-15s.
 
2013-10-30 10:53:35 AM

Rent Party: [s3.amazonaws.com image 448x252]

I can haz donut naow?


Damn, a FireFox reference already?  I am impressed.
 
2013-10-30 10:57:08 AM
There's nothing in TFA that hasn't been on the wikipedia page for Area 51 for years.
 
2013-10-30 11:06:32 AM

Rent Party: I can haz donut naow?


Shoot, what's the Russian for that?
 
2013-10-30 02:59:15 PM
Well that was one hell of a wikitrip right there.

Google maps: 32.161466,-110.858899  and zoom right in close.
 
2013-10-30 05:12:27 PM

Tr0mBoNe: Well that was one hell of a wikitrip right there.

Google maps: 32.161466,-110.858899  and zoom right in close.


Wow.  I zoomed in and thought "that is a cool image google captured of a helicopter, and there are kind of a lot of planes in those two rows above it."  cursor over to the planes.  "woah, they keep going"  zoom out. "WOAH, that is a LOT of planes" zoom out and cursor more "*jaw dropped*"

I mean, I know we have a big air force, but that is so much hardware in one place.

/Damn
 
2013-10-30 05:34:16 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Wow.  I zoomed in and thought "that is a cool image google captured of a helicopter, and there are kind of a lot of planes in those two rows above it."  cursor over to the planes.  "woah, they keep going"  zoom out. "WOAH, that is a LOT of planes" zoom out and cursor more "*jaw dropped*"

I mean, I know we have a big air force, but that is so much hardware in one place.

/Damn


Davis-Monthan Air Force Base

That's the biggest but just one of the aircraft bone yards out there. There are ones nearly that large in Russia.
 
2013-10-30 09:03:19 PM

Click Click D'oh: Jim_Callahan: I don't know about the 52 specifically, but the B-series in general has been around in more or less the same specs since WW2 and will probably still be the template for your basic US bomber in WW3 (WW4 will be fought with sticks and hurled rocks).


Uh, you do know there is no relation between B designated aircraft except their intended purpose... right?  There's no shared specs or template and there have been radical changes since the end of WWII.  Unless you think the B-50 and B-58 are similar...


What. Dont you know that a B-1b is just a B-17g with new engines and the gun turrets removed? They both have 4 engines and two wings! Study it out!
 
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