If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(NPR)   Etsy: these products may have been made by 12-year-olds in a Bangladeshi sweat shop, but what the hell...we'll call them "handmade in spirit"   (npr.org) divider line 53
    More: Asinine, Etsy, Bangladeshi, Rae Padulo, organic cotton, flavors  
•       •       •

2621 clicks; posted to Business » on 30 Oct 2013 at 8:09 AM (43 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



53 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-10-30 06:52:49 AM
You're ruining your niche. Now you are competing with the big boys of Amazon, Walmart, and the like. They will destroy you.
 
2013-10-30 08:02:33 AM

EvilEgg: You're ruining your niche. Now you are competing with the big boys of Amazon, Walmart, and the like. They will destroy you.


Pretty much. You can get mass produced crafty looking crap anywhere, and it's usually quite cheap. Pottery lady from TFA should start the new really really handmade company, now that Esty has sold out.
 
2013-10-30 08:23:27 AM
"We will only sell handmade items on this site. We will never sell manufactured items."

And the word nerd in me is like, "well, which is it?"

Pretty sure the Zibbet CEO meant "mass-produced".

And yes, I'm a pedant, because words need to mean something dammit!

/it's RFP time and I swear there's a contest for "most frequent use of needlessly ambiguous language in a specification" ::grumble::
 
2013-10-30 08:25:33 AM
Etsy CEO Chad Dickerson says the company is still behind lone artisans - they make up most of its 1 million sellers. Still, it wants to support those whose businesses are growing, and under the old rules, that was difficult

If only there were a place people could go to sell their mass-produced goods in higher volumes with a similar level of ease.

I'm actually quite disappointed I wasn't aware of Etsy until just now. It's hard where I live to find anything that's not some factory-made crap, so if you want anything that's unique for around the house you really have to dig.
 
2013-10-30 08:33:03 AM
So Etsy wants to be Amazon that only sells ugly jewelry and scrawlings on card stock?
 
2013-10-30 08:40:23 AM

skozlaw: Etsy CEO Chad Dickerson says the company is still behind lone artisans - they make up most of its 1 million sellers. Still, it wants to support those whose businesses are growing, and under the old rules, that was difficult

If only there were a place people could go to sell their mass-produced goods in higher volumes with a similar level of ease.

I'm actually quite disappointed I wasn't aware of Etsy until just now. It's hard where I live to find anything that's not some factory-made crap, so if you want anything that's unique for around the house you really have to dig.


Etsy's awesome. You know about Pinterest, right? It's like a fashion and design meta-blog.

The wife's already got my man card* and I have to admit that I've found some pretty awesome home improvement ideas there.

ApartmentTherapy is another good one.

*Women outnumber men as contributors, so you'll need to wade through some estrogen from time to time. Welcome to being the uncatered gender ;)
 
2013-10-30 08:41:24 AM
Etsy has been pretty good to the soon to be future Mrs.VonDrake. It has given her a lot more self confidence then she had before.
She makes mainly LARP Costumes, Custom Dice Bags, E-Reader /Tablet Covers and assorted cool things.

In fact it has even given her, her first commercial resale order. A nice little LARP shop in Australia ordered 20 items from her shop for resale, and even offered to help grow her brand by making sure she gets credit for each item in their shop.

Even if Etsy ends up going the way of other places like Ebay. and catering to the mass producing junk makers, I'm sure someone will hopefully spot the open niche and fill it.

Right now Etsy seems to be a good place for first time crafters to get some exposure and make a nice bit of money, a place you can start selling your wares until you are ready to open your own website for just your items.

Heres her Etsy and DA links of your interested.


http://www.etsy.com/shop/RawringPlushies

http://rawringplushies.deviantart.com/

Heres some of her items, my favorites at least.

25.media.tumblr.com

24.media.tumblr.com
img.fark.net


24.media.tumblr.com
25.media.tumblr.com

31.media.tumblr.com

24.media.tumblr.com

24.media.tumblr.com

25.media.tumblr.com

fc01.deviantart.net

th02.deviantart.net

th09.deviantart.net

th07.deviantart.net

th07.deviantart.net

th06.deviantart.net

th07.deviantart.net

th07.deviantart.net

th07.deviantart.net
 
2013-10-30 08:41:53 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: "We will only sell handmade items on this site. We will never sell manufactured items."

And the word nerd in me is like, "well, which is it?"

Pretty sure the Zibbet CEO meant "mass-produced".

And yes, I'm a pedant, because words need to mean something dammit!

/it's RFP time and I swear there's a contest for "most frequent use of needlessly ambiguous language in a specification" ::grumble::



I don't see what's so ambiguous about it. The CEO is using the most widely understood meaning of the word. Just because it may have other definitions doesn't mean that the audience doesn't understand the intent.

man·u·fac·ture (mny-fkchr)
v. man·u·fac·tured, man·u·fac·tur·ing, man·u·fac·tures
v.tr.
1.
a. To make or process (a raw material) into a finished product, especially by means of a large-scale industrial operation.
b. To make or process (a product), especially with the use of industrial machines.
 
2013-10-30 08:46:34 AM
Doesn't surprise me much, I've never been to that site but most of these online businesses end up going down the money grab route eventually. Look at ebay, it used to be about actions, now it's just another place to sell shiat. Greed is a powerful motivator.
 
2013-10-30 08:55:18 AM

ReapTheChaos: Doesn't surprise me much, I've never been to that site but most of these online businesses end up going down the money grab route eventually. Look at ebay, it used to be about actions, now it's just another place to sell shiat. Greed is a powerful motivator.


Ebay - a site started for auctions that now has a "make an offer" button on the buy-it-now items. Their department of redundancy department must have come up with that feature.
 
2013-10-30 09:02:47 AM

Heliovdrake: *snip*


You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...
 
2013-10-30 09:04:56 AM

suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...


Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.
 
2013-10-30 09:13:49 AM
"handmade in spirit" from the crushed spirit of children

It should make made more valuable to practitioners of the dark arts.
 
2013-10-30 09:16:49 AM
this has been going on for a while, with hundreds of sellers trying to pass off stuff from bulk buying websites as authentic
 
2013-10-30 09:21:05 AM

Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.


Post an image or two, and link to her page. Farmers with interest will check it out. Those who aren't interested don't wanna scroll through 15 oversized images. My brother would love that stuff. I'm not into it. Likewise, you don't wanna scroll through 15 oversized images of jam band art.
 
2013-10-30 09:22:22 AM

Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.


Or you could just post a link to her site.
 
2013-10-30 09:25:39 AM
Pretty sure Citizens United covered this: corporations are people, so stuff from a factory is handmade. Fair and Balanced.
 
2013-10-30 09:30:09 AM
Hate to semi-white knight the guy but...

The handmade in spirit was in reference to individuals that homecraft things via 3-Printers and whatever CAD packages that are connected to it.  His point is that 3-D printed items aren't really 'handmade'.  I mostly disagree with this as most 3-D printed stuff does require some finishing or assembling after the printing process.  This is not accounting for the computer time in design and setup which he seems to entirely discount.

Are folks getting dinged because they don't refined their own plastic resins from hand drilled petroleum or use only self tanned leathers from animals they personally killed with hand crafted weapons smithied from hand mined ores?

This does seem to be some creep in their mission.  Personally I think cottage industry type stuff would be fine as top artisans do need assistants. In the end, I don't really care, so I'm not sure why I'm really posting on it.
 
2013-10-30 09:37:44 AM

wingnut396: Hate to semi-white knight the guy but...

The handmade in spirit was in reference to individuals that homecraft things via 3-Printers and whatever CAD packages that are connected to it.  His point is that 3-D printed items aren't really 'handmade'.  I mostly disagree with this as most 3-D printed stuff does require some finishing or assembling after the printing process.  This is not accounting for the computer time in design and setup which he seems to entirely discount.

Are folks getting dinged because they don't refined their own plastic resins from hand drilled petroleum or use only self tanned leathers from animals they personally killed with hand crafted weapons smithied from hand mined ores?

This does seem to be some creep in their mission.  Personally I think cottage industry type stuff would be fine as top artisans do need assistants. In the end, I don't really care, so I'm not sure why I'm really posting on it.


From what I see the 3d printing folks don't try to disguise that it was 3d printed.  It is still unique, which is what I think etsy buyers are going for.
 
2013-10-30 09:41:52 AM

suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.

Post an image or two, and link to her page. Farmers with interest will check it out. Those who aren't interested don't wanna scroll through 15 oversized images. My brother would love that stuff. I'm not into it. Likewise, you don't wanna scroll through 15 oversized images of jam band art.


verbaltoxin: Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.

Or you could just post a link to her site.


Yeah, Sorry about that, From now on, I'll only post the link, and 1 or two pictures tops.


as a side note, there is this guy who sells Healing Wands on Etsy, for insane prices.
It seems his magical healing wands, contain "Science"

img.fark.net
 
2013-10-30 09:55:16 AM

Heliovdrake: as a side note, there is this guy who sells Healing Wands on Etsy, for insane prices.
It seems his magical healing wands, contain "Science"


And "OLD" as well.  Impressive.
 
2013-10-30 10:05:12 AM
So, how long did it take etsy to sellout?
 
2013-10-30 10:19:32 AM
I'm curious what their reasoning is - one possibility is the fact that it's impossible for Etsy to tell the difference and ban "cheaters" in any consistent manner.  In some ways it's a self-limiting market - those who want to mass produce goods will have a larger customer base on Amazon, etc. and are wasting their time on the tiny Etsy niche market.

It remains to be seen if this is a tempest in a very tiny hand-made ceramic teapot shaped like a kitty with angel wings.  The Etsy community may be offended but they are manufacturers of goods selling them to customers - get over it.  If a mass-produced Bangladeshi assembly line product can't be differentiated by a consumer from your hand-crafted stuff, I guess your stuff sucks.
 
2013-10-30 10:40:22 AM
Regretsy was a fun Time-Waster.
 
2013-10-30 10:45:29 AM
CEO Fred McCashalot said "I was educated by a business college - we need to grow at 15% a year or I will never get a $15M a year job running some other company in to the ground.  As such we have decided to entirely abandon our business model so I can crow about how many millions more we did in sales the next 2 quarters before I bolt this place for a real job while this one burns to the ground."
 
2013-10-30 10:47:52 AM
I had never heard of Etsy until now so I'm not really outraged.
 
2013-10-30 10:55:36 AM
Liberals's favorite consumer goods, such as Apple products, vibrators and rap CD's are all manufactured by 3rd world slave labor.  The reason they use these products as they don't want to do anything that might support the USA, such as buying American made goods or employing American workers.  It is one of the reason every Democrat president has trouble filling cabinet positions because they always find the person employed slaves from the 3rd world as domestic help and refuse to pay taxes.  Also why liberals refuse to deport illegal immigrants - it will remove their supply of slave labor.  Ever since the Democrats lost the Civil War and were unable to defeat the Civil Rights Act of 1964 they have been looking for new sources of slave labor.
 
2013-10-30 11:06:43 AM
More than "selling out" this just seems like a natural progression of economies of scale as Etsy gets more and more popular.      If you just buy a bunch of pre-fabricated, pre-existing trinkets wholesale and then sell them on Etsy as your own personal design with markup, I get that's a violation.   Otherwise, it seems like "mass produced' is an arbitrary line in the sand.   Almost everything on Etsy is created with mass produced materials.    If you design a custom print of some graphic art you created, does it count as "mass produced" if you had an order of bulk prints made at uPrinting or Kinko's to meet the demand?  Do you have to put the print on some custom made paper you made out of wood pulp using ancient Chinese paper making techniques.    If you create your own t-shirt design, can you put it on a generic Made In China $5 Fruit of the Loom plain cotton t-shirt, or do you have to create the t-shirt yourself using your own personal cotton stash and private loom in your garage.
 
2013-10-30 11:08:40 AM

lordaction: Liberals's favorite consumer goods, such as Apple products, vibrators and rap CD's are all manufactured by 3rd world slave labor.  The reason they use these products as they don't want to do anything that might support the USA, such as buying American made goods or employing American workers.  It is one of the reason every Democrat president has trouble filling cabinet positions because they always find the person employed slaves from the 3rd world as domestic help and refuse to pay taxes.  Also why liberals refuse to deport illegal immigrants - it will remove their supply of slave labor.  Ever since the Democrats lost the Civil War and were unable to defeat the Civil Rights Act of 1964 they have been looking for new sources of slave labor.

memeorama.com

 
2013-10-30 11:18:48 AM

stuhayes2010: So, how long did it take etsy to sellout?


At least 6 years?

I dunno--I have many a creative friend that enjoys peddling their wares there. Some of it really nice too.
 
2013-10-30 11:23:40 AM

InmanRoshi: lordaction: Liberals's favorite consumer goods, such as Apple products, vibrators and rap CD's are all manufactured by 3rd world slave labor.  The reason they use these products as they don't want to do anything that might support the USA, such as buying American made goods or employing American workers.  It is one of the reason every Democrat president has trouble filling cabinet positions because they always find the person employed slaves from the 3rd world as domestic help and refuse to pay taxes.  Also why liberals refuse to deport illegal immigrants - it will remove their supply of slave labor.  Ever since the Democrats lost the Civil War and were unable to defeat the Civil Rights Act of 1964 they have been looking for new sources of slave labor.

[memeorama.com image 470x600]


Ah, the liberal debate strategy.  When facts and history aren't on your side resort to personal attacks.
 
2013-10-30 12:03:44 PM
Trying to start a political flame war on an Etsy thread?

You people are all weird.
 
2013-10-30 12:45:09 PM

lordaction: Liberals's


farm4.staticflickr.com

Big Beef Burrito: Trying to start a political flame war on an Etsy thread?

You people are all weird.


images.sodahead.com

/ not 'people', person. And he does this dumb shiat every thread because he's sad and lonely and pathetic and it's all he has
 
2013-10-30 01:23:11 PM

Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.


Some of that stuff looks really cool, but capes for cats?

I'm not sure how I feel about that.
 
2013-10-30 02:29:15 PM

mcmnky: Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.

Some of that stuff looks really cool, but capes for cats?

I'm not sure how I feel about that.


You are quite certain about how feel about that, you just don't want to type it out.
 
2013-10-30 02:37:53 PM

Betep: Regretsy was a fun Time-Waster.


I miss Regretsy, too. April Winchell and the community on that site were pretty good about calling out people who bought mass-produced Chinese imports and called them "homemade".
 
2013-10-30 02:45:25 PM
Etsy sells lots of manufactored items, they even old stereo speakers and toasters.
 
2013-10-30 02:56:10 PM

Heliovdrake: Etsy has been pretty good to the soon to be future Mrs.VonDrake. It has given her a lot more self confidence then she had before.
She makes mainly LARP Costumes, Custom Dice Bags, E-Reader /Tablet Covers and assorted cool things.

In fact it has even given her, her first commercial resale order. A nice little LARP shop in Australia ordered 20 items from her shop for resale, and even offered to help grow her brand by making sure she gets credit for each item in their shop.

Even if Etsy ends up going the way of other places like Ebay. and catering to the mass producing junk makers, I'm sure someone will hopefully spot the open niche and fill it.

Right now Etsy seems to be a good place for first time crafters to get some exposure and make a nice bit of money, a place you can start selling your wares until you are ready to open your own website for just your items.

Heres her Etsy and DA links of your interested.


http://www.etsy.com/shop/RawringPlushies

http://rawringplushies.deviantart.com/

Heres some of her items, my favorites at least.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 850x637]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x1133]
[img.fark.net image 850x1483]


[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x741]
[25.media.tumblr.com image 850x637]

[31.media.tumblr.com image 850x637]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x637]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x637]

[25.media.tumblr.com image 850x1111]

[fc01.deviantart.net image 850x534]

[th02.deviantart.net image 850x361]

[th09.deviantart.net image 850x706]

[th07.deviantart.net image 850x599]

[th07.deviantart.net image 778x1027]

[th06.deviantart.net image 850x643]

[th07.deviantart.net image 850x646]

[th07.deviantart.net image 850x646]

[th07.deviantart.net image 850x499]


Oh ffs - nice stuff, but sell your ren faire crap somewhere else.
 
2013-10-30 03:38:16 PM

Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.


Ignore him, I enjoyed the picture.  Everyone thinks they are the rules arbiters here.
 
2013-10-30 03:49:00 PM
I have an Etsy store. I felt that handmade in spirit was the FACT that most people use outside parts to make their stuff. So even though it is handmade by me--I still have to buy the pieces to make the item. This however explains why I can not sell the stuff I have made by hand and prices have taken a complete hit. *sigh.
 
2013-10-30 03:59:29 PM
sure, they're still hand made.  What, you think bangladeshi sweatshops still have handless employees working there?  No, they send them home and continue to support them via workers' comp.
 
2013-10-30 05:14:27 PM
i should sell my houndmade items there.  they're perfect for placing in paper bags, lighting on fire, knocking on doors and running away.
 
2013-10-30 06:34:01 PM

The Flexecutioner: i should sell my houndmade items there.  they're perfect for placing in paper bags, lighting on fire, knocking on doors and running away.


If you put a sticker of Nyan cat on there, you just re-invented hot topic
 
2013-10-30 07:18:58 PM

Sybarite: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: "We will only sell handmade items on this site. We will never sell manufactured items."

And the word nerd in me is like, "well, which is it?"

Pretty sure the Zibbet CEO meant "mass-produced".

And yes, I'm a pedant, because words need to mean something dammit!

/it's RFP time and I swear there's a contest for "most frequent use of needlessly ambiguous language in a specification" ::grumble::


I don't see what's so ambiguous about it. The CEO is using the most widely understood meaning of the word. Just because it may have other definitions doesn't mean that the audience doesn't understand the intent.

man·u·fac·ture (mny-fkchr)
v. man·u·fac·tured, man·u·fac·tur·ing, man·u·fac·tures
v.tr.
1.
a. To make or process (a raw material) into a finished product, especially by means of a large-scale industrial operation.
b. To make or process (a product), especially with the use of industrial machines.


Manu- (by hand)
-facture (to make)

I'm lamenting the bizarre twist in its definition mostly.

Kind of like how "let" used to mean "to hinder", except "manufacture"'s original meaning seems much more glaringly obvious to me.
 
2013-10-30 07:54:37 PM

Betep: Regretsy was a fun Time-Waster.


This, obviously. NPR's a little late to the "Etsy's little more than a clearinghouse for resellers of cheap Chinese knockoffs" party.
 
2013-10-30 09:27:39 PM

Big Beef Burrito: Trying to start a political flame war on an Etsy thread?

You people are all weird.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-30 09:32:02 PM

suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.

Post an image or two, and link to her page. Farmers with interest will check it out. Those who aren't interested don't wanna scroll through 15 oversized images. My brother would love that stuff. I'm not into it. Likewise, you don't wanna scroll through 15 oversized images of jam band art.


So you were personally inconvenienced? The horror.

/grow up
 
2013-10-30 09:52:20 PM

Carousel Beast: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: suburbanguy: Heliovdrake: *snip*

You don't need to threadjack every etsy thread with eleventy bajillion pics of your SO's wares...

Sorry, Im just really proud of her. I wish fark had a click to expand link/image thing.

Post an image or two, and link to her page. Farmers with interest will check it out. Those who aren't interested don't wanna scroll through 15 oversized images. My brother would love that stuff. I'm not into it. Likewise, you don't wanna scroll through 15 oversized images of jam band art.

So you were personally inconvenienced? The horror.

/grow up


Bless your heart...
*pats head*
 
2013-10-30 10:05:24 PM

FormlessOne: Betep: Regretsy was a fun Time-Waster.

This, obviously. NPR's a little late to the "Etsy's little more than a clearinghouse for resellers of cheap Chinese knockoffs" party.


NPR is Vintage and Re-Purposed.
or a bunch of Fat, Jealous Losers.
 
2013-10-30 11:43:35 PM
Companies loosing their base by chasing a bigger audience.

Reminds me of Histroy/Discovery/TLC/SiFi/etc channels
 
Displayed 50 of 53 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report