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2013-10-30 01:10:21 AM  
At least when I'm dealing with a thrift store cashier who can't read the word DOGMA on a DVD case it explains why she had to get a thrift store cashier job.
 
2013-10-30 01:14:14 AM  
WOW! Glad I'm not sick in Brittan!
 
2013-10-30 01:17:45 AM  
Mum-of-two Susan was living in a care home in North Clifton, Lincs, when she fell ill.

This isn't some spring chicken we're talking about. It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

It's very sad that you lost your mum. Just about everyone does, at some point. But get over it. She's in a better place than that fleabag house of waking nightmares you checked her into was.
 
2013-10-30 01:19:04 AM  
Dr Viv Gunasekera.

What?

I once had a see an alternate GP - usual one was booked - and this Indiany guy was the doctor. I explained my condition - a dog bite on holiday - and I swear, he just sat there looking at me with an empty look. I had trouble understanding him speak English and I'm absolutely sure he had no idea what I was trying to explain. I made my excuses and left.

UK NHS is great but there's a lot of these doctors who dunno shiat about the English language.
 
2013-10-30 01:21:40 AM  
un farking  acceptable.  to either not bother with reading charts or investigating what they glaring red bracelet the patient is wearing with obvious medical emergency info on it is bad enough then to fark up and let her die when she may have been able to save her?
 
2013-10-30 01:24:31 AM  
Thanks, Obamacare.
 
2013-10-30 01:28:31 AM  

GungFu: who dunno shiat about the English language.


I got married 24 years ago at a Catholic Church  in Red Bank New Jersey and couldn't hear a word of what I trying was trying to hear.
/still doesn't know if I'm really married.
 
2013-10-30 01:29:12 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Mum-of-two Susan was living in a care home in North Clifton, Lincs, when she fell ill.

This isn't some spring chicken we're talking about. It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

It's very sad that you lost your mum. Just about everyone does, at some point. But get over it. She's in a better place than that fleabag house of waking nightmares you checked her into was.


grimlock1972: un farking  acceptable.  to either not bother with reading charts or investigating what they glaring red bracelet the patient is wearing with obvious medical emergency info on it is bad enough then to fark up and let her die when she may have been able to save her?


m sorry but I dont care if mom was living on the street. She had an allergy. The doctor and nurse ignored the allergy. Did not react quick enough, then just decided to let her die since there should have been a DNR. Sounds like 1st degree murder or manslaughter to me. I would give the DR and nurse the benefit of the doubt if she was not wearing the red band stating in clear letters. Penicillin allergy.

I would like to know how the drugs where dispensed. Thru a machine or a pharmacist.
 
2013-10-30 01:41:13 AM  
I work in the medical field for almost 10 years, and the stupidity and laziness of medical personnel was always amazing to me.

I'm really hoping I get killed in some quick way that doesn't necessitate my having to stay in a hospital.
 
2013-10-30 01:43:59 AM  

kombi: AverageAmericanGuy: Mum-of-two Susan was living in a care home in North Clifton, Lincs, when she fell ill.

This isn't some spring chicken we're talking about. It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

It's very sad that you lost your mum. Just about everyone does, at some point. But get over it. She's in a better place than that fleabag house of waking nightmares you checked her into was.

grimlock1972: un farking  acceptable.  to either not bother with reading charts or investigating what they glaring red bracelet the patient is wearing with obvious medical emergency info on it is bad enough then to fark up and let her die when she may have been able to save her?

m sorry but I dont care if mom was living on the street. She had an allergy. The doctor and nurse ignored the allergy. Did not react quick enough, then just decided to let her die since there should have been a DNR. Sounds like 1st degree murder or manslaughter to me. I would give the DR and nurse the benefit of the doubt if she was not wearing the red band stating in clear letters. Penicillin allergy.

I would like to know how the drugs where dispensed. Thru a machine or a pharmacist.


I totally agree with you .
 
2013-10-30 01:46:13 AM  
So wait, according to TFA, the nurse got berated by the coroner for this. but NOT THE GODDAMN DOCTOR? Somebody has their shiat ALL wrong.
 
2013-10-30 01:47:45 AM  
Dr Gunasekera, who now works as a medical registrar, told the inquest: "I didn't think there was the possibility of something so serious occurring.

"I'm very, very sorry. I tried to do what I thought was safe and what I thought was best.


I've never met a doctor here in the States that I could imagine saying something this unprofessional.
 
2013-10-30 01:51:19 AM  
Dr Gunasekera, who now works as a medical registrar, told the inquest: "I didn't think there was the possibility of something so serious occurring."

Then you're not a very good doctor. Leave the profession entirely.

"There is nothing I can do to bring her back."

Why do people always say that? Whether the topic is accidents or the death penalty, someone has to say such-and-such won't bring the person back. Who asked you to do that? Who raised that as a possibility? The person's dead; we accept that. You can't bring her back, but you can accept your punishment like a truly repentant person. Try doing that instead.

"That is something I will have to live with for the rest of my life."

Boo-hoo. Fark you for trying to gain sympathy for your poor little self, for a situation that's your own fault.
 
2013-10-30 01:59:37 AM  
The lady who died was 61. Her daughter is 45. And, who the heck is allergic to penicillin? Fake!
 
2013-10-30 02:01:05 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Mum-of-two Susan was living in a care home in North Clifton, Lincs, when she fell ill.

This isn't some spring chicken we're talking about. It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

It's very sad that you lost your mum. Just about everyone does, at some point. But get over it. She's in a better place than that fleabag house of waking nightmares you checked her into was.


Oh, well, if she would have died anyway at some point, yeah, I agree.
 
2013-10-30 02:03:30 AM  
in America, it doesn't matter if the employees can't read, as long as the billing is proper.
 
2013-10-30 02:05:31 AM  

sendtodave: AverageAmericanGuy: Mum-of-two Susan was living in a care home in North Clifton, Lincs, when she fell ill.

This isn't some spring chicken we're talking about. It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

It's very sad that you lost your mum. Just about everyone does, at some point. But get over it. She's in a better place than that fleabag house of waking nightmares you checked her into was.

Oh, well, if she would have died anyway at some point, yeah, I agree.


Comments like that are why I have AAG on ignore. He's one horrible person. Need proof? Just look at the comment you quoted. Hopefully he gets to experience some of his ignorance first hand.
 
2013-10-30 02:05:45 AM  

Ex-Texan: in America, it doesn't matter if the employees can't read, as long as the billing is proper.


When does that happen?
 
2013-10-30 02:07:04 AM  
Dr Gunasakera

Affirmative Action. You wanted it, you got it. RIP granny
 
2013-10-30 02:10:59 AM  
all of this could've been avoided with an 8th warning.

there's blame on all sides here.
 
2013-10-30 02:11:56 AM  
Just more proof that Obamacare will kill everybody.
 
2013-10-30 02:20:12 AM  

draa: sendtodave: AverageAmericanGuy: Mum-of-two Susan was living in a care home in North Clifton, Lincs, when she fell ill.

This isn't some spring chicken we're talking about. It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

It's very sad that you lost your mum. Just about everyone does, at some point. But get over it. She's in a better place than that fleabag house of waking nightmares you checked her into was.

Oh, well, if she would have died anyway at some point, yeah, I agree.

Comments like that are why I have AAG on ignore. He's one horrible person. Need proof? Just look at the comment you quoted. Hopefully he gets to experience some of his ignorance first hand.


One among many, it seems.
 
2013-10-30 02:21:06 AM  
A Murdoch tabloid talking about the horrors of socialized medicine? Say it ain't so.

draa:

Comments like that are why I have AAG on ignore. He's one horrible person. Need proof? Just look at the comment you quoted. Hopefully he gets to experience some of his ignorance first hand.

I always assumed he was trying to be some sort of social commentary.
 
2013-10-30 02:22:50 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.


How old are you? 61 isn't elderly and it's certainly not an end of life situation.

We almost lost my brother a few year ago because the doctor at the hospital he'd been admitted to assumed a 50 year old mentally disabled man would have a DNR. It's only because a nurse called my mother to let her know what was happening that my brother's still alive (that doctor is no longer allowed to practice medicine in Louisiana)
 
2013-10-30 02:25:48 AM  
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Viv Gunasekera, M.D.
 
2013-10-30 02:27:36 AM  

Snapper Carr: AverageAmericanGuy: It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

How old are you? 61 isn't elderly and it's certainly not an end of life situation.

We almost lost my brother a few year ago because the doctor at the hospital he'd been admitted to assumed a 50 year old mentally disabled man would have a DNR. It's only because a nurse called my mother to let her know what was happening that my brother's still alive (that doctor is no longer allowed to practice medicine in Louisiana)


That's pretty frightening, but this woman was already in a nursing home, not out jogging and smiling in Levitra commercials. Some people age faster than others, and 61 may be that family's upper limit.

A friend of mine had a heart attack while aboard an international flight from the US to Taiwan. He was 35. He also got the treatment he needed in time, but sometimes it's just your time to go. He died a year later. Anecdotes abound, but it's all just handwaving until the Reaper comes knocking.
 
2013-10-30 02:27:59 AM  

zelachang: A Murdoch tabloid talking about the horrors of socialized medicine? Say it ain't so.


FAIL.

It's not owned by Murdoch. Derp.
 
2013-10-30 02:28:30 AM  

zelachang: A Murdoch tabloid talking about the horrors of socialized medicine? Say it ain't so.

draa:

Comments like that are why I have AAG on ignore. He's one horrible person. Need proof? Just look at the comment you quoted. Hopefully he gets to experience some of his ignorance first hand.

I always assumed he was trying to be some sort of social commentary.


Nope, he's just that bad. And why on earth would somebody say that about someone else? Put him on ignore and be thankful you did.
 
2013-10-30 02:33:11 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Snapper Carr: AverageAmericanGuy: It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

How old are you? 61 isn't elderly and it's certainly not an end of life situation.

We almost lost my brother a few year ago because the doctor at the hospital he'd been admitted to assumed a 50 year old mentally disabled man would have a DNR. It's only because a nurse called my mother to let her know what was happening that my brother's still alive (that doctor is no longer allowed to practice medicine in Louisiana)

That's pretty frightening, but this woman was already in a nursing home, not out jogging and smiling in Levitra commercials. Some people age faster than others, and 61 may be that family's upper limit.

A friend of mine had a heart attack while aboard an international flight from the US to Taiwan. He was 35. He also got the treatment he needed in time, but sometimes it's just your time to go. He died a year later. Anecdotes abound, but it's all just handwaving until the Reaper comes knocking.


So, you're saying that when your time comes, you won't fight too much.

I'm ok with that.
 
2013-10-30 02:35:35 AM  

sendtodave: AverageAmericanGuy: Snapper Carr: AverageAmericanGuy: It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

How old are you? 61 isn't elderly and it's certainly not an end of life situation.

We almost lost my brother a few year ago because the doctor at the hospital he'd been admitted to assumed a 50 year old mentally disabled man would have a DNR. It's only because a nurse called my mother to let her know what was happening that my brother's still alive (that doctor is no longer allowed to practice medicine in Louisiana)

That's pretty frightening, but this woman was already in a nursing home, not out jogging and smiling in Levitra commercials. Some people age faster than others, and 61 may be that family's upper limit.

A friend of mine had a heart attack while aboard an international flight from the US to Taiwan. He was 35. He also got the treatment he needed in time, but sometimes it's just your time to go. He died a year later. Anecdotes abound, but it's all just handwaving until the Reaper comes knocking.

So, you're saying that when your time comes, you won't fight too much.

I'm ok with that.


I've got a 6 month provision in my living will. If I don't wake up in 6 months, pull the plug.

So not too much.
 
2013-10-30 02:38:46 AM  
Indians, man.
 
2013-10-30 02:49:09 AM  
Well, over 90,000 people in the US die from mistakes in hospitals every year. Not sure how many of those are from the wrong medication though (I'm sure one of the Fark medical staff has a better idea). The doctor and nurse in this case seem to have gotten off really easy.
 
2013-10-30 02:53:03 AM  

asynchron: So wait, according to TFA, the nurse got berated by the coroner for this. but NOT THE GODDAMN DOCTOR? Somebody has their shiat ALL wrong.


tell me if im wrong, but as i know it, nurses are trained to do exactly what the doctor says to do.
thought is not part of that process
 
2013-10-30 03:28:25 AM  

bindlestiff2600: asynchron: So wait, according to TFA, the nurse got berated by the coroner for this. but NOT THE GODDAMN DOCTOR? Somebody has their shiat ALL wrong.

tell me if im wrong, but as i know it, nurses are trained to do exactly what the doctor says to do.
thought is not part of that process


Nope. RNs are first and foremost patient advocates and protectors. As a nurse I have the right and duty to question a doctors order if I feel it is not in the patients best interest. Indeed I have held medication ordered that would have done harm. Medicine done correctly is a team sport. (or did I just feed a troll?)
 
2013-10-30 03:31:05 AM  

GungFu: Dr Viv Gunasekera.
What?
I once had a see an alternate GP - usual one was booked - and this Indiany guy was the doctor. I explained my condition - a dog bite on holiday - and I swear, he just sat there looking at me with an empty look. I had trouble understanding him speak English and I'm absolutely sure he had no idea what I was trying to explain. I made my excuses and left.
UK NHS is great but there's a lot of these doctors who dunno shiat about the English language.


Get ready for this, America.
I work with a bunch of similar newly imported doctors as "colleagues," and I can tell you that:
1. They are dumb as a bag of hammers.
2. They don't care. Life is cheap where they come from, and yours means very little to them.
 
2013-10-30 03:37:58 AM  
She's allergic to penicillin. The Dr. prescribed amoxicillin. There's no guarantee that someone who is allergic to one will have a reaction to the other. It's a derivative, not the same molecule.

/Allergic to Ceclor
//Just fine with Cephalexin
 
2013-10-30 03:48:57 AM  

wildcardjack: At least when I'm dealing with a thrift store cashier who can't read the word DOGMA on a DVD case it explains why she had to get a thrift store cashier job.


lf she worked for the mirror it would read "AMGOD" you nutter.
 
2013-10-30 04:24:54 AM  
Meanwhile, in the USA we have nurses giving IVs who don't understand units or powers of ten.  Hooray for the private sector, and who can understand that foreign metric system anyway.  We should be measuring out medication in good old American grains, drams, and minims.
 
2013-10-30 04:48:31 AM  

hanakoa: bindlestiff2600: asynchron: So wait, according to TFA, the nurse got berated by the coroner for this. but NOT THE GODDAMN DOCTOR? Somebody has their shiat ALL wrong.

tell me if im wrong, but as i know it, nurses are trained to do exactly what the doctor says to do.
thought is not part of that process

Nope. RNs are first and foremost patient advocates and protectors. As a nurse I have the right and duty to question a doctors order if I feel it is not in the patients best interest. Indeed I have held medication ordered that would have done harm. Medicine done correctly is a team sport. (or did I just feed a troll?)


thank you for that (glad to hear it really)

/no trolling here
//tho ive been accused of trolling for asking questions that tend to stir things up
 
2013-10-30 05:49:12 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Dr Gunasekera, who now works as a medical registrar, told the inquest: "I didn't think there was the possibility of something so serious occurring.

"I'm very, very sorry. I tried to do what I thought was safe and what I thought was best.

I've never met a doctor here in the States that I could imagine saying something this unprofessional.


I've had this shiat happen to friends and family and I live in the U.S.

Luckily non of them were as severely allergic to the med as this lady was, or were able to press the call button as soon as they started to react and realized what had probably happened.

And yes I have  heard "Well I didn't think the reaction would be a big deal compared to the benefit in this situation."

I also have some friends and family who are nurses and have encountered the same incompetency from their coworkers, up to the point of quitting and working elsewhere because it became so frustrating trying to fix other's errors, or keep them from screwing up and hurting a patient when they already have their own huge workload to deal with. That seems to especially be a problem at nursing homes where all the good nurses leave because they can't emotionally or mentally deal with it, leaving a pretty mediocre staff behind.

Unfortunately there's pretty much no recourse unless the person is severely injured long term or dies from the treatment. You can notify the doctor, licensing board, or hospital of the error and hope the person is punished or fired, that's about it. But if you have no concrete proof that the fark up occurred, or if charts have been altered, nothing is likely to happen until the nurse or doctor farks up bad enough to kill someone and get sued eventually. This is not JUST due to incompetency of oversight, but partially to the fact that they also receive a lot of frivolous complaints from people, so it can be hard to weed out the serious ones.

Not saying this is a problem with every doctor/nurse, likely at ever facility, or trying to shame the medical profession in general, but it happens enough that you need to be vigilant and watchful with you and your family's care. Your mileage will also vary depending on where you live, since different states and cities are more or less strict with oversight and rules. And competition and variety of choice in facility/owner has some to do with it too. If you live in a relatively small town like me, you might have one corporation/group owning just about every facility, regardless of physical location, and if they care more about profit than standards, your level of care could vary from absolutely horrendous, to high quality, but you won't know who to go to or avoid based anything other than personal experience or hearsay since there is no transparency at all.
 
2013-10-30 06:47:10 AM  

sendtodave: Ex-Texan: in America, it doesn't matter if the employees can't read, as long as the billing is proper.

When does that happen?


it's hard to bill for something when the rest of the staff can't read :)

But I swear, I think one of the PAs I bill for is borderline retarded. Thank God she just does employee physicals and isn't providing treatment to sick people. Her mortality rates would be through the roof
 
2013-10-30 06:52:49 AM  
My years in healthcare mirror much of the posters upthread.  Stay away from hospitals as much as you can, because the worst germs lurk there.  And the staff is usually not as concerned with cross contamination of patients, just the safety of the staff.  And the janitorial staff are usually the most minimally trained on true cleanliness.  Support staff spend way too much time on things like compliance paperwork, while the doctors are busy ordering a gazillion tests to try to avoid lawsuits.

As for patients, if you spend decades denying reality, don't be surprised that poor dietary habits, substance abuse, no exercise, and a lousy attitude add up to early death.  For some people, genetics is cruel, but for the majority, make better choices.
 
2013-10-30 06:59:26 AM  

kombi: AverageAmericanGuy: Mum-of-two Susan was living in a care home in North Clifton, Lincs, when she fell ill.

This isn't some spring chicken we're talking about. It was an elderly and infirm woman in the end of her life.

It's very sad that you lost your mum. Just about everyone does, at some point. But get over it. She's in a better place than that fleabag house of waking nightmares you checked her into was.

grimlock1972: un farking  acceptable.  to either not bother with reading charts or investigating what they glaring red bracelet the patient is wearing with obvious medical emergency info on it is bad enough then to fark up and let her die when she may have been able to save her?

m sorry but I dont care if mom was living on the street. She had an allergy. The doctor and nurse ignored the allergy. Did not react quick enough, then just decided to let her die since there should have been a DNR. Sounds like 1st degree murder or manslaughter to me. I would give the DR and nurse the benefit of the doubt if she was not wearing the red band stating in clear letters. Penicillin allergy.

I would like to know how the drugs where dispensed. Thru a machine or a pharmacist.


Pharmacist here. In Great Neitain, pharmacists are not nearly as involved in patient care as they are in the US. In the US, the physician's order would have been reviewed against the patient's other drugs and allergies and verified by a pharmacist before the nurse would be permitted to access the drug. In Great Britain, pharmacists are not nearly as involved in patient care, and I doubt that she had that additional safety check. I'm not saying that this incident would not have happened in the US, cause we still make baffling screwups . . . but the evidence shows that these kinds of incidents are less likely to occur with prospective drug utilization review by pharmacists.
 
2013-10-30 07:28:54 AM  
And, while they're still human, I trust pharmacists way more than physicians. I've taught both. pharmacists have a narrower field of expertise, but they are the experts in drugs. Physicians are definitely not.
 
2013-10-30 07:47:04 AM  
One predicted side effect of government run health care is the reduction in the quality of doctors. Basically, as compensation goes down and the compliance burden goes up, the pool of people willing to do the work shrinks. The most competent in the profession will leave, as the reward ratiofor other professions for them is better. They are replaced from the bottom. this effect will be seen at the macro level. Anecdotal cases are not proof enough.
 
2013-10-30 07:51:00 AM  
"She said that she had spoken to the nursing home and they didn't know what the reaction was so she concluded that any reaction couldn't have been severe."

my dad is allergic to peanut butter.  but since he's never eaten peanut butter before, he doesn't actually know what the reaction would be if he ate some.  by this guy's logic, my dad may as well start eating peanut butter, because the reaction can't be that severe.
 
2013-10-30 07:57:46 AM  
I usually just ask the nurse "I'm really stiff, can you rub this one out for me?"
 
2013-10-30 08:07:53 AM  

Mark Ratner: The lady who died was 61. Her daughter is 45. And, who the heck is allergic to penicillin? Fake!


I am.  Fairly common, too.
 
2013-10-30 09:32:11 AM  

Mark Ratner: The lady who died was 61. Her daughter is 45. And, who the heck is allergic to penicillin? Fake!

Lots of people. More than you think.

GWSuperfan: She's allergic to penicillin. The Dr. prescribed amoxicillin. There's no guarantee that someone who is allergic to one will have a reaction to the other. It's a derivative, not the same molecule.

/Allergic to Ceclor
//Just fine with Cephalexin


My wife is allergic to penicillin and cephalosporin. To avoid any potential reactions she cannot be given  any derivative of those drugs. This is common sense. The doctor made a stupid assumption and a woman paid with her life.
 
2013-10-30 10:10:28 AM  

Hack Patooey: Mark Ratner: The lady who died was 61. Her daughter is 45. And, who the heck is allergic to penicillin? Fake!

I am.  Fairly common, too.


Yo. And I found out the hard way. Scariest day of my life!
 
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