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(Salon)   Why does America listen to Jenny McCarthy and Suzanne Somers' scientific opinions instead of, you know, the opinions of scientists?   (salon.com) divider line 171
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2013-10-29 11:23:11 PM  

Harry_Seldon: SilentStrider: kronicfeld: Scientists don't get invited on daytime talk shows.

Neil Degrasse-Tyson does.

I wouldn't ask him how to improve the appearance of my thighs...or would i?


I would feel more comfortable taking fitness advice from Neil Degrasse-Tyson than I would be taking medical advice from Jenny McCarthy.
 
2013-10-29 11:25:33 PM  
The people I know who believe in things such as these also believe that the government is injecting the poor with diseases, the president and congress control gas prices, drug companies are causing the illnesses that they treat, and frequently use the phrase "wake up, sheeple."

These are not people that I spend any significant amount of time trying to figure out.
 
2013-10-29 11:27:41 PM  

Mugato: Just because these broads are guests of the morning squawking hen shows doesn't mean "America is listening to them".


Yeah, this is a false premise.  The real question is 'why does the media give has-been actors time to voice their uneducated opinions about snake oil?'  And the answer is 'because the actors are desperate and need attention and money and snake oil sellers dig finding rubes who think the nice stupid lady from Three's Company has the inside track about science.'
 
2013-10-29 11:32:55 PM  

ongbok: Scientist scary scary to most people because they speak in terms that most people can't understand or think that they can't understand because they shut off their brains once somebody is introduced as a scientist.


This.

farm8.staticflickr.com

"I wonder what his opinion is of a topic in field he has little to no knowledge of or experience in...."


farm4.staticflickr.com

"AAAAUUUGHHH!!"
 
2013-10-29 11:33:43 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Mugato: Just because these broads are guests of the morning squawking hen shows doesn't mean "America is listening to them".

Yeah, this is a false premise.  The real question is 'why does the media give has-been actors time to voice their uneducated opinions about snake oil?'  And the answer is 'because the actors are desperate and need attention and money and snake oil sellers dig finding rubes who think the nice stupid lady from Three's Company has the inside track about science.'


Here's an interesting thought... what if someone successfully sues a media outlet who keeps letting these idiots push thoroughly-debunked nonsense?
 
2013-10-29 11:35:10 PM  
Most Americans are stupid, and could no blow their noses if brains were dynamite.
 
2013-10-29 11:35:32 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: SilentStrider: kronicfeld: Scientists don't get invited on daytime talk shows.

Neil Degrasse-Tyson does.

That douchebag is the Jenny McCarthy of science.


I'm hoping that English isn't your first language here, because if you mean what you wrote, you should definitely consider posting less.

// I'd also hope that you don't vote.
// While we're at it, please also consider cutting your Internet service.
 
2013-10-29 11:38:23 PM  

IntertubeUser: Contrabulous Flabtraption: SilentStrider: kronicfeld: Scientists don't get invited on daytime talk shows.

Neil Degrasse-Tyson does.

That douchebag is the Jenny McCarthy of science.

I'm hoping that English isn't your first language here, because if you mean what you wrote, you should definitely consider posting less.

// I'd also hope that you don't vote.
// While we're at it, please also consider cutting your Internet serviceself.


/ft
 
2013-10-29 11:38:41 PM  

clkeagle: Guntram Shatterhand: Mugato: Just because these broads are guests of the morning squawking hen shows doesn't mean "America is listening to them".

Yeah, this is a false premise.  The real question is 'why does the media give has-been actors time to voice their uneducated opinions about snake oil?'  And the answer is 'because the actors are desperate and need attention and money and snake oil sellers dig finding rubes who think the nice stupid lady from Three's Company has the inside track about science.'

Here's an interesting thought... what if someone successfully sues a media outlet who keeps letting these idiots push thoroughly-debunked nonsense?


...someone already tried that with Fox News.  And lost.
 
2013-10-29 11:40:00 PM  
Why do people believe in snake oil?  Because they want snake oil to work, it is something real and tangible right here right now that I can acquire with minimal effort.

Because I want these things to be true, I therefore force myself to believe those things to be true.

People have an incredible aversion to being wrong about anything at anytime once they've settled on what right is.  (Partially because the first thing they expect to happen when they admit they were wrong is everyone and their uncle come and spike the football in their face and do a touchdown dance and call them stupid for every believing X in this first place, but that idea gets internalized so they have their own version of themselves prepared to do such if nobody does it to them.)

It's not just an American thing, it's a human thing.  We prefer to believe that we know best in all matters, and also like to think that each of us has our own special circumstance that makes the normal rules not apply to us, because dealing with the fact that most of us are relatively mundane and uninteresting is something of a terrifying thought.
 
2013-10-29 11:43:14 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Do you mean "America", subby, or do you mean "low information easily entertained short attention span losers"?


Yes.

/not subby, just presuming to speak on his/her behalf
 
2013-10-29 11:47:34 PM  
"We're in trouble as a species if people refuse to believe in things they couldn't actually do themselves."  --David MItchell
 
2013-10-29 11:53:01 PM  
Their answers are simple and easy to understand. It is a shame they are also horribly wrong.
 
2013-10-29 11:54:17 PM  

pueblonative: BKITU: Many years ago, a good friend of mine and I tried to come up with the Rules of Life. This is the list in its entirety:Rule #1: People... are stupid.
.
/Every attempt to come up with a subsequent Rule turned out to be a variant of Rule #1.

You really should stop plagarizing Wizard's First Rule


*checks Wikipedia*

Nope, we had it first. We should sue Goodkind for plagiarism instead.

/Maybe he overheard us at an early-90s ComicCon.
 
2013-10-29 11:55:12 PM  

HawgWild: Because everyone knows science is based on fact. And facts have a liberal bias.


I think in the case of this article, people believe facts have a Big Pharma bias. People distrust medical science because they believe they're in the pocket of the people that try to sell you pills for anything and everything.

Score another one for the American healthcare system.
 
2013-10-29 11:56:31 PM  

jonny_q: You know, the subject of misplaced authority is an intriguing one with some interesting scientific questions. Too bad the article comes from Salon.com, so instead, we get some libtard biatching about how loud the people are that he disagrees with. But then again, a lot of people go to Salon.com, and it's a pretty website, so maybe I should trust it...


No. No, it's not. It's one of the ugliest sites I have ever seen. I don't even click on Salon links because their website is so ugly.
 
2013-10-29 11:59:45 PM  
Well, I don't listen to the medical opinions of Suzanne Somers and Jenny McCarthy, but I don't think U.S. scientists are without agendas either. They have motivations, are biased, have political interests, have egos, get plied by the pharmaceutical companies, all of which can play when forming their opinions. Hell, I just read an article that criticized a farking ob/gyn because he told women it's okay if you pee during exercise. So, no, I don't believe necessarily believe anything anyone tells me at first light, doesn't matter if you're a 20-yr expert in your field or a dumbass off the street. You could be wrong. I'll form my opinions once I've done my own reading and research. Most of the time, people are just too lazy to do their own research (me too).

Also, regardless of field, experience, or education, generally the people who try the hardest to convince you that they are right are the ones who have the most at stake if found to be wrong. The more someone tries to convince me, the more suspicious I get.
 
2013-10-30 12:01:50 AM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: SilentStrider: kronicfeld: Scientists don't get invited on daytime talk shows.

Neil Degrasse-Tyson does.

That douchebag is the Jenny McCarthy of science.


Your hated of Tyson is well documented here, but thanks for reminding folks. Now tell us how you feel about Anthony Bourdain.
 
2013-10-30 12:02:34 AM  

jonny_q: libtard


DRINK!
 
2013-10-30 12:04:43 AM  

Peki: Well, I don't listen to the medical opinions of Suzanne Somers and Jenny McCarthy, but I don't think U.S. scientists are without agendas either. They have motivations, are biased, have political interests, have egos, get plied by the pharmaceutical companies, all of which can play when forming their opinions. Hell, I just read an article that criticized a farking ob/gyn because he told women it's okay if you pee during exercise. So, no, I don't believe necessarily believe anything anyone tells me at first light, doesn't matter if you're a 20-yr expert in your field or a dumbass off the street. You could be wrong. I'll form my opinions once I've done my own reading and research. Most of the time, people are just too lazy to do their own research (me too).

Also, regardless of field, experience, or education, generally the people who try the hardest to convince you that they are right are the ones who have the most at stake if found to be wrong. The more someone tries to convince me, the more suspicious I get.


So... both sides are bad so vote bimbo?

Yeah, let me know when Somers or McCarthy are published in a peer-reviewed journal.
 
2013-10-30 12:06:07 AM  
www.voght.org
 
2013-10-30 12:07:25 AM  
I'm surprised no one mentioned this gem:
"As shown on "Oprah," Somers takes 60 pills a day, as well as injecting hormones into her vagina and rubbing them into her skin."
 
2013-10-30 12:08:46 AM  

BKITU: Many years ago, a good friend of mine and I tried to come up with the Rules of Life. This is the list in its entirety:Rule #1: People... are stupid.
.
/Every attempt to come up with a subsequent Rule turned out to be a variant of Rule #1.



You know how stupid the average person is? Well half of them are dumber than THAT.
 
2013-10-30 12:10:21 AM  
img.fark.net

I dunno. You really can't trust the rain to get all the blood off, and dried blood is pretty obvious even on a red car.
 
2013-10-30 12:13:31 AM  
NEVER underestimate the power of human stupidity. It's the oldest and ultimate technology, and for every good idea there were thousands of bad ones that got drove into the ground.
 
2013-10-30 12:14:42 AM  
 
2013-10-30 12:15:39 AM  

epyonyx: TITS


Came here to say this.  Leaving happy.
 
2013-10-30 12:16:19 AM  
Come on people, Sommers is a thigh master, not a thigh amateur. Sheesh.
 
2013-10-30 12:17:28 AM  

Peki: Well, I don't listen to the medical opinions of Suzanne Somers and Jenny McCarthy, but I don't think U.S. scientists are without agendas either. They have motivations, are biased, have political interests, have egos, get plied by the pharmaceutical companies, all of which can play when forming their opinions. Hell, I just read an article that criticized a farking ob/gyn because he told women it's okay if you pee during exercise. So, no, I don't believe necessarily believe anything anyone tells me at first light, doesn't matter if you're a 20-yr expert in your field or a dumbass off the street. You could be wrong. I'll form my opinions once I've done my own reading and research. Most of the time, people are just too lazy to do their own research (me too).

Also, regardless of field, experience, or education, generally the people who try the hardest to convince you that they are right are the ones who have the most at stake if found to be wrong. The more someone tries to convince me, the more suspicious I get.


Yes, scientists are human, but you know who else is human? You are. You also have subconcious motivations that aren't entirely rational, so remember that next time you are feeling "suspicious."
 
2013-10-30 12:21:18 AM  

clkeagle: Harry_Seldon: SilentStrider: kronicfeld: Scientists don't get invited on daytime talk shows.

Neil Degrasse-Tyson does.

I wouldn't ask him how to improve the appearance of my thighs...or would i?

I would feel more comfortable taking fitness advice from Neil Degrasse-Tyson than I would be taking medical advice from Jenny McCarthy.


And isn't it illegal to give medical advice to people if you're not a doctor?  I remember hearing that a while ago and then google confirmed it was.  It was a few years back though.
 
2013-10-30 12:26:34 AM  
Because a lot of us are celebrity worshipping dolts?
 
2013-10-30 12:26:59 AM  

fusillade762: So... both sides are bad so vote bimbo?


HA! Not politically!

Science-wise? Well. What's your definition of science? You wait five minutes and suddenly "science" has a new opinion on whether or not coffee is good for you (peer reviewed or not). So if "science" can't make up its mind on coffee, how does the general public know to trust it on vaccines? Especially when you can go through history and see time and time again where science says, "This is GREAT!" and a handful of years later we're all, "oops our bad." Doesn't inspire trust, and trust is something science in the U.S. does not have. I don't take this to an extreme; I've never been a climate change denier. Just wary is all.

Americans are too lazy to do their own research, and the word science gets thrown around too much.
 
2013-10-30 12:28:37 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Do you mean "America", subby, or do you mean "low information easily entertained short attention span losers"?


Weird. Why would you follow up a word with a slightly different phrasing of the same word?


I swear that when I was growing up we were still taught to respect knowledge and expertise. I am only 33 but it seems like so much has changed. Perhaps the idiots simply found their champions.
 
2013-10-30 12:28:45 AM  

LoneWolf343: Yes, scientists are human, but you know who else is human? You are. You also have subconcious motivations that aren't entirely rational, so remember that next time you are feeling "suspicious."


Yup. Difference is I don't have a job on the line to protect.
 
2013-10-30 12:30:19 AM  
Let's imagine that the apocalypse has arrived and you have to choose whether to fark for eternity, or
 
2013-10-30 12:35:02 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Do you mean "America", subby, or do you mean "low information easily entertained short attention span losers"?


Same thing.
 
2013-10-30 12:37:08 AM  

Peki: Well, I don't listen to the medical opinions of Suzanne Somers and Jenny McCarthy, but I don't think U.S. scientists are without agendas either. They have motivations, are biased, have political interests, have egos, get plied by the pharmaceutical companies, all of which can play when forming their opinions. Hell, I just read an article that criticized a farking ob/gyn because he told women it's okay if you pee during exercise. So, no, I don't believe necessarily believe anything anyone tells me at first light, doesn't matter if you're a 20-yr expert in your field or a dumbass off the street. You could be wrong. I'll form my opinions once I've done my own reading and research. Most of the time, people are just too lazy to do their own research (me too).

Also, regardless of field, experience, or education, generally the people who try the hardest to convince you that they are right are the ones who have the most at stake if found to be wrong. The more someone tries to convince me, the more suspicious I get.


I think it matters somewhat.
 
2013-10-30 12:37:16 AM  
The cynical answer is "professional scientists are skilled at science.  Professional attention whores are skilled at whoring for attention."

The accurate answer is "America generally  doesn't listen to these morons as a rule, the thousand or so exceptions just write a lot of angry letters.  Since normal people have to drink a pint of everclear and take a club to their head a few dozen times to even conceive of the level of stupid required to seriously consider this kind of idiocy, they do not write many angry letters about it."

Silent majority, basically, though the silence is more a general eye-rolling inability to accept that anyone would take something so obviously insane seriously than the usual real indifference.

Phil Clinton: And isn't it illegal to give medical advice to people if you're not a doctor?  I remember hearing that a while ago and then google confirmed it was.  It was a few years back though.


On an individual level, yes.  Generally advocating that fluoride in the water allows the aliens to mind-control us isn't the same thing as presenting yourself as a credentialed authority and advising individuals to stop drinking water on the strength of that false authority.

Basically if you admit you aren't a medical professional, and bother large groups of people instead of giving one-on-one consultations, the professional credentialing restrictions don't apply.
 
2013-10-30 12:39:35 AM  
I wonder how many people these woman have been the primary cause of death for
 
2013-10-30 12:44:25 AM  

Harry_Seldon: I wouldn't ask him how to improve the appearance of my thighs...or would i?


now.uiowa.edu

He actually knows a bit about that

/yes that's him
 
2013-10-30 12:45:43 AM  

clkeagle: Harry_Seldon: SilentStrider: kronicfeld: Scientists don't get invited on daytime talk shows.

Neil Degrasse-Tyson does.

I wouldn't ask him how to improve the appearance of my thighs...or would i?

I would feel more comfortable taking fitness advice from Neil Degrasse-Tyson than I would be taking medical advice from Jenny McCarthy.


Man was captain of his wrestling team in high school, he might know a thing or two about keeping fit.
 
2013-10-30 12:46:32 AM  

Peki: fusillade762: So... both sides are bad so vote bimbo?

HA! Not politically!

Science-wise? Well. What's your definition of science? You wait five minutes and suddenly "science" has a new opinion on whether or not coffee is good for you (peer reviewed or not). So if "science" can't make up its mind on coffee, how does the general public know to trust it on vaccines? Especially when you can go through history and see time and time again where science says, "This is GREAT!" and a handful of years later we're all, "oops our bad." Doesn't inspire trust, and trust is something science in the U.S. does not have. I don't take this to an extreme; I've never been a climate change denier. Just wary is all.

Americans are too lazy to do their own research, and the word science gets thrown around too much.


"Science" says no such thing.  Media outlets trying to make a quick buck off "science" says that.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-30 12:51:10 AM  
We want to hear what goes along with what we've been taught, rather than what' scientifically true.  Convincing even scientists what is scientifically true takes decades and leads to much screaming before the Truth sinks in.
 
2013-10-30 01:01:31 AM  
Money.

I mean, I don't listen to them, and seriously have trouble dealing with people that do.

I have to walk away because the stupid is that painful.
 
2013-10-30 01:07:29 AM  

Mugato: Just because these broads are guests of the morning squawking hen shows doesn't mean "America is listening to them".


This.
 
2013-10-30 01:14:03 AM  
I have an easy method to help remedy this, but it will take a few generations, and some concerted effort on all our parts, and that it is voiced by John Waters, should give it the weight that a celebrity crazed public can understand:

'If you go home with somebody, and they don't have books, don't f*ck 'em!'

Seriously, folks. You have the power. Ladies, that goes double for y'all.
 
2013-10-30 01:29:50 AM  
My theory: There's an emotional nerve among the middle class that reacts to suburban disillusionment with a feeling that the modern world is indescribably flawed. Lacking a concrete frame of historical reference, they adopt the mantra that 'primitive lifestyle = healthier' and apply it to whatever the hell the leprechuans and ascendant humours in their brains tell them to do.

Raw food, barefoot running, anti-vaccination, Scientology... you never see these fads in poor ghettos. It's always bored bourgeois soccer moms and yuppies being deliberately antique and health-superstitious.
 
2013-10-30 01:31:50 AM  

ongbok: Scientist scary scary to most people because they speak in terms that most people can't understand or think that they can't understand because they shut off their brains once somebody is introduced as a scientist.

Bubbly giggly blonde big tittied talk show host don't have that problem.



I'm pretty sure my brain would shut off almost immediately if I was introduced to a bubbly giggly blonde big tittied talk show host. My little head's brain is not the best replacement there, and doesn't understand or care about science either.
 
2013-10-30 01:39:16 AM  
And yet science sounding bullshiat still sounds more believable in a lab coat.
 
2013-10-30 01:49:07 AM  

Peki: fusillade762: So... both sides are bad so vote bimbo?

HA! Not politically!

Science-wise? Well. What's your definition of science? You wait five minutes and suddenly "science" has a new opinion on whether or not coffee is good for you (peer reviewed or not). So if "science" can't make up its mind on coffee, how does the general public know to trust it on vaccines? Especially when you can go through history and see time and time again where science says, "This is GREAT!" and a handful of years later we're all, "oops our bad." Doesn't inspire trust, and trust is something science in the U.S. does not have. I don't take this to an extreme; I've never been a climate change denier. Just wary is all.

Americans are too lazy to do their own research, and the word science gets thrown around too much.


You do know that "science" isn't just one guy in a lab somewhere that changes his mind a lot, right?
 
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