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2013-10-30 12:06:22 PM  

HypnozombieX: And the Right loves this soulless monster.


Not any more. It's hard to find anybody who admits to liking him.
 
2013-10-30 01:16:43 PM  
I farking hate Dick Cheney so much. Just die already!
 
2013-10-30 01:50:38 PM  

sendtodave: PsiChick: nocturnal001: Man, I used to think I disliked Cheney but after reading this thread I feel like I am forcibly defaulted to be his fan club president.

Is it a war crime to be amazingly wrong about how you can change the world via force?

Now, torturing people to gain intell...that is getting there.

Except he wasn't going in for ideological, spreading-democracy reasons--he and Bush were going in to prevent a 'smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud'.

In other words? They lied.

I'm still not convinced that W was in on the lie.


Eh, me either--the guy seems dumber than a box of rocks--but it's also possible he had some grasp that he was lying and didn't care because he honestly viewed them brown furriners as ebul, too. That's for a court of law to decide at the end of the day, or should be in a just world.
 
2013-10-30 02:04:37 PM  

Mikey1969: None, people have just heard that she's supposed to be a bad candidate, I have yet to hear an explanation to the "I'm a lefty but I hate Hillary" thing.


I'll answer that.

I am a lifelong Democrat and I oppose Hillary running in 2016. When John McCain rain in 2004, one of the reasons I opposed him was that I considered him to be too old to endure the stresses of the office. Hillary Clinton will only be a year or two younger in 2016 than McCain was in 2004. Since I can't justify "it's different because she's a Democrat" I have to oppose her run for that office.
 
2013-10-30 02:14:11 PM  

Fail in Human Form: if karma, reincarnation, and some sort of intelligence after death are real then he'll come back and see it from the THEIR perspective


If the concept of  karma is real at all then it would have to be in the afterlife because it sure as fark doesn't exist in this one. And people who say that karma is real in this life farking annoy me. Of course a drug dealer who kills people will probably get killed or arrested. That's not karma. There are way too many evil people who profit from their evil and way too many good people who get farked for "karma" to exist.
 
2013-10-30 02:18:55 PM  

Mugato: Fail in Human Form: if karma, reincarnation, and some sort of intelligence after death are real then he'll come back and see it from the THEIR perspective

If the concept of  karma is real at all then it would have to be in the afterlife because it sure as fark doesn't exist in this one. And people who say that karma is real in this life farking annoy me. Of course a drug dealer who kills people will probably get killed or arrested. That's not karma. There are way too many evil people who profit from their evil and way too many good people who get farked for "karma" to exist.


"What goes around, comes around" is more or less true. It's an excellent idea to live your life as if karma were real. Actually believing it, though, is stupid.
 
2013-10-30 02:24:37 PM  

Mugato: If the concept of  karma is real at all then it would have to be in the afterlife because it sure as fark doesn't exist in this one. And people who say that karma is real in this life farking annoy me. Of course a drug dealer who kills people will probably get killed or arrested. That's not karma. There are way too many evil people who profit from their evil and way too many good people who get farked for "karma" to exist.


Karma, when you remove all the woo the hippies added to our western concept of the word, is simply cause and effect. The word literally means "action" or "cause" and is distinct from the "fruit of karma" or the effect. That's it, no magic, no cosmic force of justice, just cause and effect.

Bad shiat* happens because people do bad shiat. If you do bad shiat, then you're contributing to the bad shiat in the world and increasing the chances that bad shiat will happen to you.

/this is distinct from random but unpleasant shiat*
 
2013-10-30 02:46:24 PM  

krackpipe: Noam Chimpsky: The Saddam regime, the Russians and the Democrats all coordinated to move Saddam's massive WMD arsenal out of Iraq and into Syria with Russian truck convoys in the days before the invasion. Everyone was happy about that at the time, especially Bush, since it would make things safer for the troops.

Elvis was there too. Plus Molly Ringworm.


The interesting thing is that Assad has no reason to cover up the WMD transfer any longer except that it might embarrass their Russian allies. It would devestate the Democrats though. Probably destroy them for good.
 
2013-10-30 02:50:29 PM  

TopoGigo: "What goes around, comes around" is more or less true. It's an excellent idea to live your life as if karma were real. Actually believing it, though, is stupid.


I follow this premise because I'm not a dick. However, I don't pretend that evil people always get their comeuppance. Because they don't. Nor do good people get what they deserve. Karma is bullshiat.
 
2013-10-30 03:01:40 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Mikey1969: None, people have just heard that she's supposed to be a bad candidate, I have yet to hear an explanation to the "I'm a lefty but I hate Hillary" thing.

I'll answer that.

I am a lifelong Democrat and I oppose Hillary running in 2016. When John McCain rain in 2004, one of the reasons I opposed him was that I considered him to be too old to endure the stresses of the office. Hillary Clinton will only be a year or two younger in 2016 than McCain was in 2004. Since I can't justify "it's different because she's a Democrat" I have to oppose her run for that office.


That's the most coherent reason anyone has given, I don' think age is the factor it used to be, but at least you'e not saying something about her looks, which is about as far as most of them get.
 
2013-10-30 03:22:22 PM  

Mikey1969: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Mikey1969: None, people have just heard that she's supposed to be a bad candidate, I have yet to hear an explanation to the "I'm a lefty but I hate Hillary" thing.

I'll answer that.

I am a lifelong Democrat and I oppose Hillary running in 2016. When John McCain rain in 2004, one of the reasons I opposed him was that I considered him to be too old to endure the stresses of the office. Hillary Clinton will only be a year or two younger in 2016 than McCain was in 2004. Since I can't justify "it's different because she's a Democrat" I have to oppose her run for that office.

That's the most coherent reason anyone has given, I don' think age is the factor it used to be, but at least you'e not saying something about her looks, which is about as far as most of them get.


Even though physical age isn't my problem with her, I get it. Presidentin' is a taxing job. Just look how it aged Bush Sr., W, and Obama. Interestingly, blowjobs must help, since Bill didn't seem to fare as badly.
 
2013-10-30 03:26:57 PM  

TopoGigo: Even though physical age isn't my problem with her, I get it. Presidentin' is a taxing job. Just look how it aged Bush Sr., W, and Obama. Interestingly, blowjobs must help, since Bill didn't seem to fare as badly.


Bill was pretty young to start with and, yeah, regular "relaxation" breaks probably helped.
 
2013-10-30 03:36:53 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TopoGigo: Even though physical age isn't my problem with her, I get it. Presidentin' is a taxing job. Just look how it aged Bush Sr., W, and Obama. Interestingly, blowjobs must help, since Bill didn't seem to fare as badly.

Bill was pretty young to start with and, yeah, regular "relaxation" breaks probably helped.


Obama was only a year older, and he's not even done yet. Interestingly, Reagan didn't age that badly, either. I've heard stories about Nancy...
 
2013-10-30 04:49:54 PM  
Very much worth it. You think you want Chamberlain, who was a pussy, but in reality you need a dick. You need a person like Churchill.
And that's why Dick Cheney is a hero.
Now there is not a single country in the world who would either attack us directly or sponsor some asshole terrorist group to do it for them... Because we are the strongest, and we have the biggest army in the world and we got the drive, resolve and conviction and power to raise the Old Glory across the country when we are attacked and three thousand plus people die and go into the hell-hole ourselves, not just to punish the terrorist squads but to declare onto the entire world:

YOU ASSHOLES! YOU TOOK DOWN TWO OF OUR BUILDINGS? WE WILL TAKE DOWN TWO OF YOUR COUNTRIES! TRY AGAIN, MOTHERFARKERS!

And that's the greatest point we can ever make.
 
2013-10-30 04:53:50 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: TheShavingofOccam123: I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to "liberate" Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called "democracy" in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq's oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level-moral, strategic, military and economic-Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences.

--Tomas Young, Iraq War Disabled Veteran

Was not that the dude who can't make up his mind if he wants to live or die?
 
2013-10-30 04:55:39 PM  

TheOmni: Chariset: gaslight: The man's shameless.

And heartless.  Void of compassion.  Lacking in conscience.

Also a war criminal.


I know. He absolutely is. Just like these assholes Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Patton and McArthur for killing so many innocent German Children. REMEMBER THE DRESDEN BOMBING!!!! FOreVER!11
 
2013-10-30 04:58:20 PM  

nekom: SHUT UP DICK CHENEY, YOU COCK


retards going absolute nutz.
Hey Nekom, at least he is a cock, and not like a sleezy biatch pussy like you. (I can see you crying as you read it...)
 
2013-10-30 05:01:02 PM  

fusillade762: exick: What we gain and my concern was then and it remains today is that the biggest threat we face is the possibility of terrorist groups like al Qaeda equipped with weapons of mass destruction, with nukes, bugs or gas. That was the threat after 9/11 and when we took down Saddam Hussein we eliminated Iraq as a potential source of that.

If your biggest concern was eliminating potential sources of weapons for terrorists, why is it that you shot some old Texas lawyer instead of Rumsfeld or yourself?

Saddam wasn't exactly cozy with al Qaeda. There was no way they were getting ahold of his non-existent WMDs. Cheney's either being disingenuous or he's been drinking way too much of his own Kool-Aid.


Smart dude first smart argument.
This was not just about Al Qaeda. It was about the Baath ultra-nationalist pan-Arabian ideology throughout the Middle East, which was the cause, the Qaeda was simply a symptom of the same problem that took on Islamic cause.
 
2013-10-30 05:04:13 PM  

Karac: 2: cchris_39: The reading comprehension around here is somewhere between Creationist Peter and Feral Peter.

Please enlighten us, o wise one: which part of this quote are we misinterpreting?

"What we gain and my concern was then and it remains today is that the biggest threat we face is the possibility of terrorist groups like al Qaeda equipped with weapons of mass destruction, with nukes, bugs or gas. That was the threat after 9/11 and when we took down Saddam Hussein we eliminated Iraq as a potential source of that."

Even if you take Cheney's statement is the most positive light possible - that Saddam could have created a bomb, and he could have become friendly with al Qaeda, and he could have decided to part with the WMD's he had spent decades building by giving them to someone over whom he had no control, and who could have very well used them against Saddam himself - even if you assume that all of that is true, you still have to recognize one simple, incontrovertible fact:

We create thousands upon thousands of more terrorists and extremists by invading Iraq than we ever killed there. The US invading Iraq was the greatest recruiting commercial for terrorists in the world since the Russians invaded Afghanistan.


Wrong logic. Yes we do create potential discontent among the population and some might take up weapons among them. But not on the scale it is claimed (naturally) and noone would be foolish enough to attack us ever again, given the repercussions. Think about it, do you really think Greenpeace would ever touch another Russian arctic platform?
 
2013-10-30 05:07:40 PM  

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You know, a thought just occurred to me. We have a volunteer army (that means we employ mercenaries, strictly speaking). If they did not want to serve there are two possible options:
1. Don't sign up
2. If you signed up -- refuse to go. OC might be against the law and you might spend time in military prison and dishonorably discharged but at least your honorand your healthwould both be saved.
 
2013-10-30 05:16:56 PM  

sage254: You know, a thought just occurred to me. We have a volunteer army (that means we employ mercenaries, strictly speaking). If they did not want to serve there are two possible options:
1. Don't sign up
2. If you signed up -- refuse to go. OC might be against the law and you might spend time in military prison and dishonorably discharged but at least your honorand your healthwould both be saved.


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2013-10-30 05:57:28 PM  

TopoGigo: Mikey1969: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Mikey1969: None, people have just heard that she's supposed to be a bad candidate, I have yet to hear an explanation to the "I'm a lefty but I hate Hillary" thing.

I'll answer that.

I am a lifelong Democrat and I oppose Hillary running in 2016. When John McCain rain in 2004, one of the reasons I opposed him was that I considered him to be too old to endure the stresses of the office. Hillary Clinton will only be a year or two younger in 2016 than McCain was in 2004. Since I can't justify "it's different because she's a Democrat" I have to oppose her run for that office.

That's the most coherent reason anyone has given, I don' think age is the factor it used to be, but at least you'e not saying something about her looks, which is about as far as most of them get.

Even though physical age isn't my problem with her, I get it. Presidentin' is a taxing job. Just look how it aged Bush Sr., W, and Obama. Interestingly, blowjobs must help, since Bill didn't seem to fare as badly.


Don't forget Carter. He aged visibly almost as much in just those four years as he has in all the time since then.

That said, don't forget that women age better than men do, all else being equal. Longer lifespan and overall better health in the latter stages thereof. So one year younger for Hillary is a bit more than one year health-wise.

That said, genetics counts too, and remember that John McCain's mother Roberta is still alive (she's 101!).

That said, he had already twice been afflicted with melanoma, far and away the deadliest of the skin cancers. My reason for opposing McCain in 2004 was this fact (not so much his age, given his mother) combined with "his" choice for Vice President whom I could not in good conscience allow to get anywhere near the Red Phone / Nuclear Football ― not given her Third Wave of the Holy Spirit aka "Joel's Army" religious beliefs (force the horrific End Times prophecies to come true by any means necessary, to facilitate the Second Coming).

My reason to oppose Hillary is her surname. While not a Clinton by blood, she's still a Clinton, and we shouldn't have dynasties in this country (Adams, Roosevelt, and Bush were more than enough of that). If she won two terms, then seven of nine consecutive terms, for a total of 28 out of 36 years, would have only two surnames (Bush and Clinton).
 
2013-10-30 09:39:13 PM  

ace in your face: I farking hate Dick Cheney so much. Just die already!


I don't want that SOB to die..I want him to suffer for a while first...I want that conniving, immoral,
self serving, shatbag to feel actual pain, like the poor bastards (on both sides) did before they
died.  But I want that cretin, that blood whore, to suffer for a while before we can finally stick
his putrid remains in a hole for the children of those that died or were horribly maimed to come
along and piss all over.. He wanted that war, he wanted it probably more than any one of the psychotic egomaniacs floating around D.C. high on their own farts. That monster wanted to keep that Nixonian psychotic warmongering going. He wanted that blood money flowing and oil prices high.And he got it.
 
2013-10-30 10:25:04 PM  

Wessoman: qorkfiend: Arkanaut: Instead, I hear Richard Perle get interviewed on the anniversary of 9/11 on NPR and tell the interviewer that the biggest lesson of 9/11 was the threat from WMDs.

*quadruple facepalm*

I'm not sure these people were actually around during the past decade. Cryogenics? Time travel? Alternate dimension? It's the only way I can explain the utter ignorance of everything that happened.

Naah, just a lethal dose of that special something that makes Republicans the unique and insufferable assholes that they are--Cognitive Dissonance.




I refuse to give in on this one, descriptivists be damned; it's doublethink dammit! Only people with properly functioning brains suffer cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-10-31 01:52:46 AM  

sage254: Very much worth it. You think you want Chamberlain, who was a pussy, but in reality you need a dick. You need a person like Churchill.
And that's why Dick Cheney is a hero.
Now there is not a single country in the world who would either attack us directly or sponsor some asshole terrorist group to do it for them... Because we are the strongest, and we have the biggest army in the world and we got the drive, resolve and conviction and power to raise the Old Glory across the country when we are attacked and three thousand plus people die and go into the hell-hole ourselves, not just to punish the terrorist squads but to declare onto the entire world:

YOU ASSHOLES! YOU TOOK DOWN TWO OF OUR BUILDINGS? WE WILL TAKE DOWN TWO OF YOUR COUNTRIES! TRY AGAIN, MOTHERFARKERS!

And that's the greatest point we can ever make.


You can join Dick Cheney in Hell.
 
2013-10-31 05:43:14 AM  

Alphax: sage254: Very much worth it. You think you want Chamberlain, who was a pussy, but in reality you need a dick. You need a person like Churchill.
And that's why Dick Cheney is a hero.
Now there is not a single country in the world who would either attack us directly or sponsor some asshole terrorist group to do it for them... Because we are the strongest, and we have the biggest army in the world and we got the drive, resolve and conviction and power to raise the Old Glory across the country when we are attacked and three thousand plus people die and go into the hell-hole ourselves, not just to punish the terrorist squads but to declare onto the entire world:

YOU ASSHOLES! YOU TOOK DOWN TWO OF OUR BUILDINGS? WE WILL TAKE DOWN TWO OF YOUR COUNTRIES! TRY AGAIN, MOTHERFARKERS!

And that's the greatest point we can ever make.

You can join Dick Cheney in Hell.


He's like the baby Free Republic and Youtube comments would have together.  It's almost adorable.
 
2013-10-31 05:54:24 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: He's like the baby Free Republic and Youtube comments would have together.  It's almost adorable.


A baby named Damion?
 
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