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(Opposing Views)   Gun advocacy group insists that them raffling off the same gun that killed Travyon Martin was totally unintentional. Why were they doing it on the day that George Zimmerman's defense attorney was scheduled to speak, you ask? Just a coincidence   (opposingviews.com) divider line 65
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2013-10-29 10:13:52 PM
5 votes:
Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.

That demographic shift is a long-term existential threat if you believe in the second amendment, and gun owners have nobody but themselves to blame for it.

You want to preserve your second amendment rights? Stop treating your gun as a license to behave like an antisocial shiat ball of a human being.
2013-10-29 08:28:46 PM
4 votes:
1) It isn't the same gun. When someone kills someone else with an Impala do we recoil at buying one off the lot?

2) There are millions like it. I have several handguns and I can state with near certainty that someone has been killed by someone wielding a firearm exactly like mine. But it's not mine, so it doesn't matter.

3) Boy, they're really stretching for ways to demonize guns, aren't they?

4) Next time make it a Sig Sauer or a Glock instead of a POS Kel-Tec. You'll raise more money that way.
2013-10-29 04:29:52 PM
4 votes:
Pussies. Not even man enough to own their bullshiat.
2013-10-29 10:57:20 PM
3 votes:

Jill'sNipple: Shostie: They're auctioning the same model of gun, not the actual gun that killed the kid, for what it's worth.

This. Zimmerman is a piece of shiat, and so are his supporters, but this is some manufactured outrage.


Yes.  Manufactured by the gun lobby to stir up shiat. The same people have declared December 14, 2013, "Guns Save Lives Day".  December 14 is the 1-year anniversary of the Sandy Hook shooting.  They're just trolling people now.
2013-10-29 10:11:26 PM
3 votes:
Outrage at that group, but totally okay to have Trayvon's mom testify about stand-your-ground laws on Capital Hill?

because that case had everything to do with stand your ground, right? Right?!?

Ah never mind...carry on Fark libs...ain't no hate party like a Fark lib party...
2013-10-29 10:00:26 PM
3 votes:
Stay classy barely veiled racist douches.
2013-10-29 09:52:28 PM
3 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: 1) It isn't the same gun. When someone kills someone else with an Impala do we recoil at buying one off the lot?

2) There are millions like it. I have several handguns and I can state with near certainty that someone has been killed by someone wielding a firearm exactly like mine. But it's not mine, so it doesn't matter.

3) Boy, they're really stretching for ways to demonize guns, aren't they?

4) Next time make it a Sig Sauer or a Glock instead of a POS Kel-Tec. You'll raise more money that way.


Yeah, it's all a big coincidence.

I didn't say it was unintentional. But since it's not actually the same gun, why get upset about it? DNFTT.


Why do they gotta be dicks about it? It was absolutely intentional. It's fine to like guns. It's not fine to be assholes.
2013-10-29 08:22:10 PM
3 votes:
They're auctioning the same model of gun, not the actual gun that killed the kid, for what it's worth.
2013-10-30 07:43:32 AM
2 votes:
Gun nuts are a special kind of shiat. Same wink and nudge playbook employed by pussy racists.
2013-10-29 11:33:44 PM
2 votes:

udhq: Mrbogey: udhq: I think we'll probably always have a right to own some kind of hunting or sport rifle...

If it weren't for all those tasty game animals, the Revolution would have been lost. That's clearly why the 2nd Amendment was crafted.

The 2nd amendment was crafted primarily as a means to enforce slavery, but people tend to get a little touchy when you bring up that inconvenient truth.


Do you really believe that? Or is it, something that you would like to be true? There is a difference.
2013-10-29 11:07:59 PM
2 votes:

udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.

That demographic shift is a long-term existential threat if you believe in the second amendment, and gun owners have nobody but themselves to blame for it.

You want to preserve your second amendment rights? Stop treating your gun as a license to behave like an antisocial shiat ball of a human being.


I'm 27, and love guns, and I'm starting to develop the same views.

I mean, damn. I'm all for situational awareness, but if your first action upon entering a room is to decide who in the room catches the first bullets, where they catch them, and where all the exits are so you can "help others get to safety"...and you don't work for a government agency in a country where you'd have no business being there otherwise...it's time to back the hell off. Yet, you turn on the Outdoor channel Wednesday nights or open up any gun magazine, and there are articles and TV shows dedicated to propagating that line of thinking, when they're not busy jerking off to the latest mil-spec AR-15 with enough useless shiat attached to it to completely pay for a brand new Camaro ZL1 and insurance for a year.

And zombies! Jesus titty farking Christ, zombies are played out as is. I saw a TV show once where these two dudes claimed to give out real information to use in a zombie apocalypse. I about put my remote through the TV screen 40 seconds into that shiat. People, if you have that much of a need to shoot people, seek psychiatric care and go buy a farking XBox.

/yeah, I've got a couple issues with the gun industry
2013-10-29 11:07:19 PM
2 votes:

udhq: But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.


You're A) Lying and B) Moving goal posts.

Just stop bro.
2013-10-29 11:04:36 PM
2 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Had Travyon killed Martin, he'd have gotten off on the same law and you racist pro-Zimmerman d-bags would be calling for a noose.


Had Trayvon killed Zimmerman we never would have heard of the incident.

And what 'same law' are you talking about? Tread lightly as I suspect you are woefully ill prepared for a real discussion on the topic.
2013-10-29 10:37:11 PM
2 votes:

JohnBigBootay: Stay classy barely veiled racist douches.


Yeah, it's racist.

Let's ignore the fact that 3 people were killed and 23 wounded in Chicago the weekend of September 20th.  Pretty much a typical weekend in that city.  On the fourth of July weekend it was 72 people.  The average weekly combat casualties for US forces in Iraq was 10.

Let that sink in for a moment.

We take 2-7 times greater casualties in the city of Chicago than we took on average in a farking war zone.  Most of the victims are usually black, most of the shooters are usually black.  But THIS case gets all the attention, and why?  Because the "whitest" Mexican guy on the planet shot a black kid in self -defense, which was supported by a jury in a court of law.

But we're the racists.  I think you better look in a mirror.
2013-10-29 10:33:05 PM
2 votes:

axeeugene: Frank N Stein: axeeugene: M1 Garands

CMP? Got mine in the spring. I love the thing.

Ayup. Can't wait. Looks like they'll be on their way in the next week or so...or one of them. at least. Well worth the wait for the price and the quality! Already got the slings, the ammo, the enblocs, and a repro ammo belt waiting for the guns' arrival!

But reading the CMP forums sometimes makes me feel like I need to take a bath afterward. The moderators keep the place pretty clean, but you can see the misplaced (displaced?) seething anger, racism, and sick single-minded obsession seeping through the cracks daily. I've thought about outing myself as one of those mythical liberal gun owners, but I know it'd just baffle them and open me up to all manner of abuse.




As a left leaning moderate gun owner, I feel your pain. There are some crazy right wing conspiracies on gun forums.
2013-10-29 10:07:56 PM
2 votes:
Kel-Tec makes some interesting designs, but their quality is crap. That is why the Ruger LCP is such a sales success compared to the Kel-Tec P3AT it is based on, because Ruger can make a quality firearm.
2013-10-29 09:44:11 PM
2 votes:
That's in poor taste.

Are we still going to bicker about this?
2013-10-30 01:12:19 AM
1 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: Mugato: Ow! That was my feelings!: I think if stupid, clueless people like you don't back off and stop sucking off Michael Bloomberg, your '60 years' will be 20 or less. I think as a Federal employee, your opinion is biased and untrustworthy. Want people to respect you? Stop sucking the teet.

I don't even know who the fark Michael Bloomberg is. I'm not anti-gun. I have a gun. All I'm saying is that the gun nuts who actually think that someday they're going to rise up against the government are full of shiat. And I'm not wrong.

Really? You are so poorly educated you don't know who this guy is?
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Probably, hero. Your so educated and informed, enough to wave your dick around in a gun thread on Fark, but don't "know" who he is? Sure. Probably.

//Everyone believes you Mugato.


What does that have to do with my simple assertion that there will never be an armed insurrection of the US government?
2013-10-30 01:06:22 AM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: The_Sponge: LoneWolf343: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Oddly enough, I don't really consort with a lot of teenagers, but the three I've talked to recently (we go to the same gym) all own guns.

My 6 year old and 9 year old daughters both LOVE their guns and going to the range. Here's a picture of one such trip:
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I often wonder if the anti-gunners think that she's compensating for having a small penis...

I think she's being unduly influenced by a father with a small penis.

/get back to us when she is 30 has has the opportunity to make decisions based on her, and not her parents', opinions

Seriously dude....f*ck you. Target practice and firearm safety are great hobbies to teach kids. I'm sorry that you have a serious case of hoplophobia.

I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of stupid, angry people with guns.


And yet your panties were in a wad just because a father takes his kids shooting.
2013-10-30 12:57:50 AM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: Secret Master of All Flatulence: udhq: My point was simply that anyone that believes the 2nd grants an individual right fundamentally doesn't understand the text of the amendment.

Well, since 5 Supreme Court Justices have EXPLICITLY stated that the 2nd Amendment DOES enumerate an individual right of individuals to both keep and bear firearms, and that such right applies not only to the Federal government, but also must constrain States and Municipalities from restricting that right, I feel comfortable that YOU don't seem to understand the text of the 2nd Amendment.  Gun control laws must now face "strict scrutiny" when they are challenged in any court.

Supreme Court Justices have also said that corporations are people, and that black people don't have the same rights as white people. Excuse me if I doubt their wisdom.

/funny how gun nuts rush to defend the sanctity of SCOTUS when it rules in their favor.


Similarly, as Senator Rand Paul has noted, Supreme Court Justices have stated that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is Constitutional, but their declaration does not actually mean that the Act is Constitutional.

Gun control advocates who argue that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution does not protect and individual right to keep and bear arms are intellectually equivalent to Tea Party members.
2013-10-30 12:52:25 AM
1 votes:

udhq: kerrigand: udhq: kerrigand: udhq: kerrigand: udhq: Mrbogey: udhq: The 2nd amendment was crafted primarily as a means to enforce slavery, but people tend to get a little touchy when you bring up that inconvenient truth.

It's not that the truth is inconvenient, it's the sources that are strained and convoluted. The justification you have is all too convenient. Put it to you this way, saying the 2nd Amendment was designed to enforce slavery is about as goofy as saying the banana was designed to fit into a human hand.

Interesting experiment for you. Put "2nd Amendment Slavery" into google. Note all the results are bunched around the same date and refer to a lot of the same sources. It's because it's a talking point created around the beginning of this year by a fraudulent pseudo-historian. His article was within days spread from one end of the Earth to the other. It's been debunked. Very debunked. I'd wager that you yourself never uttered the argument before it was put there by talking heads intent on manufacturing your opinion earlier this year.

What on earth makes you think that this is a new idea?

I used to work as an education consultant pre-no child, and several states had this fact on their social studies standards. I couldn't tell you which states of the top of my head, butit was printed as fact in several state-specific textbooks. I believe it was Georgia that actually had an entire section on the "Negro disarmament movement" that birthed the NRA. I actually found it pretty shocking that they would teach that stuff.

That's the very same reason that you're confused on both the 1st and 2nd Amendments. I don't think that you've ever really read them. If you have, you never really understood either one. I challenge you, only you, to find the fault in either of these. Remember, one doesn't serve without the other. On the same hand, one can't exist without the other.

Didn't you JUST try to argue that the 2nd amendment granted a person right 10 minutes ago? Or wa ...


Then what you're saying is that you really don't have freedom of speech.
2013-10-30 12:43:30 AM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: LoneWolf343: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Oddly enough, I don't really consort with a lot of teenagers, but the three I've talked to recently (we go to the same gym) all own guns.

My 6 year old and 9 year old daughters both LOVE their guns and going to the range. Here's a picture of one such trip:
[i135.photobucket.com image 799x598]
I often wonder if the anti-gunners think that she's compensating for having a small penis...

I think she's being unduly influenced by a father with a small penis.

/get back to us when she is 30 has has the opportunity to make decisions based on her, and not her parents', opinions

Seriously dude....f*ck you. Target practice and firearm safety are great hobbies to teach kids. I'm sorry that you have a serious case of hoplophobia.


I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of stupid, angry people with guns.
2013-10-30 12:34:07 AM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Oddly enough, I don't really consort with a lot of teenagers, but the three I've talked to recently (we go to the same gym) all own guns.

My 6 year old and 9 year old daughters both LOVE their guns and going to the range. Here's a picture of one such trip:
[i135.photobucket.com image 799x598]
I often wonder if the anti-gunners think that she's compensating for having a small penis...

I think she's being unduly influenced by a father with a small penis.

/get back to us when she is 30 has has the opportunity to make decisions based on her, and not her parents', opinions


Seriously dude....f*ck you. Target practice and firearm safety are great hobbies to teach kids. I'm sorry that you have a serious case of hoplophobia.
2013-10-30 12:21:58 AM
1 votes:

kerrigand: LoneWolf343: kerrigand: udhq: The_Sponge: udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.


1) Anyone?  Make blanket statements often?  Or are you just a garden variety troll?

2) Yes, because people under 20 are known for their wisdom and vast life experience.  Oh wait, they're not.

3) Socially dysfunctional?  That's news to my friends and coworkers.

It may be a blanket statement, but it's true. This is the Columbine generation who've never known a school without metal detectors, and who've lived through the violent rhetoric of 2 separate anti government movements, the tea party and the 90s militia movement.

I'm a second amendment agnostic, I've owned guns in the past but don't currently, and I dont really care about gun rights, except when people start talking about guns as expressions of political power; this kind of rhetoric makes you a violent thug and quite literally a fascist.

All I'm saying is that if you value gun rights, PR matters. And if you want to alienate the people who will be voting on things like gun control in the future, treating the violent killing of a child as a "victory" in any way for your side is a great way to about it.

Well you can feel free to express what you think. Our 2nd Amendment, protects your right to the 1st. You may want to think about that.

LOL. Name one time, ONE TIME, where the threat of armed insurrection has prevented a government office from infringing on the freedom of expression.

1775
they haven't attempted it since.
/That was your ONCE
//wanna try for two?


You mean Lexington and Concord? Didn't we lose hilariously?

Also, we wouldn't have won the war without 1.) fielding our own professional army, and 2.) convincing the French to join our side. The minuteman myth is just that, a myth.

So, no, you didn't get it this time. Try again.
2013-10-30 12:21:05 AM
1 votes:

kerrigand: udhq: kerrigand: udhq: kerrigand: udhq: kerrigand: udhq: kerrigand: udhq: The_Sponge: udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.


1) Anyone?  Make blanket statements often?  Or are you just a garden variety troll?

2) Yes, because people under 20 are known for their wisdom and vast life experience.  Oh wait, they're not.

3) Socially dysfunctional?  That's news to my friends and coworkers.

It may be a blanket statement, but it's true. This is the Columbine generation who've never known a school without metal detectors, and who've lived through the violent rhetoric of 2 separate anti government movements, the tea party and the 90s militia movement.

I'm a second amendment agnostic, I've owned guns in the past but don't currently, and I dont really care about gun rights, except when people start talking about guns as expressions of political power; this kind of rhetoric makes you a violent thug and quite literally a fascist.

All I'm saying is that if you value gun rights, PR matters. And if you want to alienate the people who will be voting on things like gun control in the future, treating the violent killing of a child as a "victory" in any way for your side is a great way to about it.

Well you can feel free to express what you think. Our 2nd Amendment, protects your right to the 1st. You may want to think about that.

Now this line does bother me. IMO, guns should not be treated as a political tool. We live in a representative democracy precisely so the rules aren't written by the most heavily armed.

While your are correct to an extent the 2nd shouldn't really be treated as a political tool. But when people such as yourself want to remove it, it affects all of us. I know that you don't think that it does, but it does. And you, are, using it as a political tool. Don't forget that. You, are, using it, as a political tool.

I never said I wanted to get rid of the second amendment, I mostly just want gun owners ...

That's not the stance that you have taken and you know it. You go ahead and keep telling yourself that it is. But you need to remember, us thugs that keep that 2nd Amendment close to our hearts, are also the thugs that keep working and believing in the 1st also. You can try to rationalize that statement all you want too. But it always comes back to you.


Believe what you want, but historically, this had just not been the case.

Look at JFK, RFK, MLK, etc. The history of America is one of 1st amendment heroes being continually silenced by 2nd amendment heroes.
2013-10-30 12:09:40 AM
1 votes:
udhq:  I believe it was Georgia that actually had an entire section on the "Negro disarmament movement" that birthed the NRA. I actually found it pretty shocking that they would teach that stuff.

The NRA was "birthed" shortly after the "War of Northern Aggression" by a bunch of military guys from the UNION who had been dismayed by the lack of firearms training they saw in the majority of UNION conscripts during the War.

Gun control started out as a means to keep minorities from owning guns.  Even Michael Moore touches on this in "Bowling for Columbine".  A case could be made that gun control is STILL used to try to disarm minorities.
2013-10-30 12:00:45 AM
1 votes:

udhq: What on earth makes you think that this is a new idea?

I used to work as an education consultant pre-no child, and several states had this fact on their social studies standards. I couldn't tell you which states of the top of my head, butit was printed as fact in several state-specific textbooks. I believe it was Georgia that actually had an entire section on the "Negro disarmament movement" that birthed the NRA. I actually found it pretty shocking that they would teach that stuff.


Cool fact- "Negro Disarmament Movement" doesn't return any google results. The way you talk, it seems like you earnestly believe what you're saying. Knowing the rough history of the NRA, I'd have to say only a certifiable ignoramus would say the NRA was founded to disarm the negro.
2013-10-29 11:59:02 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: WhyKnot: I never said replace elections...if the government were to say...suspend elections...then yes, similar to the revolution, the people would have the means to displace the oppressors.

The thought of "the people" taking on the US military is farking ludicrous.


The people have enough representation in the military to take care of the US military. It's the para-military police forces that are the real issue for the people.
2013-10-29 11:55:54 PM
1 votes:

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Oddly enough, I don't really consort with a lot of teenagers, but the three I've talked to recently (we go to the same gym) all own guns.

My 6 year old and 9 year old daughters both LOVE their guns and going to the range. Here's a picture of one such trip:
[i135.photobucket.com image 799x598]
I often wonder if the anti-gunners think that she's compensating for having a small penis...



My nearly 13 year old daughter graduated from her Crickett .22 to a Savage Axis .223. She enjoys shooting a lot.
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2013-10-29 11:54:45 PM
1 votes:

udhq: The second amendment was added specifically because they needed southern states to ratify the bor, and those states wanted their right to keep their slave militias protected.


Uh, hello?

I already called your bluff and flipped my cards showing a royal flush. You can stop sliding money into the pot now.
2013-10-29 11:51:59 PM
1 votes:

udhq: WhyKnot: udhq: Mrbogey: udhq: I think we'll probably always have a right to own some kind of hunting or sport rifle...

If it weren't for all those tasty game animals, the Revolution would have been lost. That's clearly why the 2nd Amendment was crafted.

The 2nd amendment was crafted primarily as a means to enforce slavery, but people tend to get a little touchy when you bring up that inconvenient truth.

Um...what?

The 2nd agreement is designed to protect democracy so that in the government becomes oppressive the people have the means to cast off the shackles of oppression and start over.

That is absolutely not true. That's why the constitution set up regular elections, they never intended for citizens to be able to replace elections with rule by gunpoint.

The second amendment was added specifically because they needed southern states to ratify the bor, and those states wanted their right to keep their slave militias protected.


I'm not sure what your reading comprehension is on the 2nd Amendment, but you, without a doubt, have no comprehension of it, nor do you have any comprehension of the others.
2013-10-29 11:49:01 PM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Oddly enough, I don't really consort with a lot of teenagers, but the three I've talked to recently (we go to the same gym) all own guns.


My 6 year old and 9 year old daughters both LOVE their guns and going to the range. Here's a picture of one such trip:
i135.photobucket.com
I often wonder if the anti-gunners think that she's compensating for having a small penis...
2013-10-29 11:48:24 PM
1 votes:

udhq: The second amendment was added specifically because they needed southern states to ratify the bor, and those states wanted their right to keep their slave militias protected.


Citation needed.
2013-10-29 11:41:24 PM
1 votes:
I like guns.
2013-10-29 11:41:03 PM
1 votes:

udhq: The 2nd amendment was crafted primarily as a means to enforce slavery, but people tend to get a little touchy when you bring up that inconvenient truth.


It's not that the truth is inconvenient, it's the sources that are strained and convoluted. The justification you have is all too convenient. Put it to you this way, saying the 2nd Amendment was designed to enforce slavery is about as goofy as saying the banana was designed to fit into a human hand.

Interesting experiment for you. Put "2nd Amendment Slavery" into google. Note all the results are bunched around the same date and refer to a lot of the same sources. It's because it's a talking point created around the beginning of this year by a fraudulent pseudo-historian. His article was within days spread from one end of the Earth to the other. It's been debunked. Very debunked. I'd wager that you yourself never uttered the argument before it was put there by talking heads intent on manufacturing your opinion earlier this year.
2013-10-29 11:24:55 PM
1 votes:

udhq: 've said nothing about my personal philosophy of gun rights in this thread, but people like you prove my point for me; you respond to mere conversation with histrionic aggression that makes me think that if there's any group that demonstrably can't handle the freedom to possess potentially deadly weapons, it's people with clear self-control problems like you.


Sounds like projection to me.  Histrionic aggression?  Is that what you call disagreement.  I agree that people like you who view disagreements or counter opinions as "aggression" should not be possessing firearms or any other dangerous objectk.

All anyone has to do is read your posts in every other thread to see how you're really just a troll.
2013-10-29 11:24:01 PM
1 votes:

kerrigand: udhq: The_Sponge: udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.


1) Anyone?  Make blanket statements often?  Or are you just a garden variety troll?

2) Yes, because people under 20 are known for their wisdom and vast life experience.  Oh wait, they're not.

3) Socially dysfunctional?  That's news to my friends and coworkers.

It may be a blanket statement, but it's true. This is the Columbine generation who've never known a school without metal detectors, and who've lived through the violent rhetoric of 2 separate anti government movements, the tea party and the 90s militia movement.

I'm a second amendment agnostic, I've owned guns in the past but don't currently, and I dont really care about gun rights, except when people start talking about guns as expressions of political power; this kind of rhetoric makes you a violent thug and quite literally a fascist.

All I'm saying is that if you value gun rights, PR matters. And if you want to alienate the people who will be voting on things like gun control in the future, treating the violent killing of a child as a "victory" in any way for your side is a great way to about it.

Well you can feel free to express what you think. Our 2nd Amendment, protects your right to the 1st. You may want to think about that.


Now this line does bother me. IMO, guns should not be treated as a political tool. We live in a representative democracy precisely so the rules aren't written by the most heavily armed.
2013-10-29 11:19:51 PM
1 votes:

WhyKnot: udhq: Doom MD: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.
Call of duty has caused more young people to get into guns than anything. To say guns are losing popularity is laughable.

There will always be a small contingent of heavily armed, single, angry conservative white men.

But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.

That's how women drive a lot of this social change, and I don't think I know a single woman under the age of 25 who owns a gun.

You know a bunch of weak men...why change for a women?

Why not teach them to shoot and not be scared of guns?


Meh, it's a choice to be made, your guns or your family.

I think it's not unreasonable for a woman to be able to choose whether she wants to live/have children with guns around. No matter how safe and smart you are about it, having a gun in your house does present some risk.
2013-10-29 11:16:28 PM
1 votes:

udhq: The_Sponge: udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.


1) Anyone?  Make blanket statements often?  Or are you just a garden variety troll?

2) Yes, because people under 20 are known for their wisdom and vast life experience.  Oh wait, they're not.

3) Socially dysfunctional?  That's news to my friends and coworkers.

It may be a blanket statement, but it's true. This is the Columbine generation who've never known a school without metal detectors, and who've lived through the violent rhetoric of 2 separate anti government movements, the tea party and the 90s militia movement.

I'm a second amendment agnostic, I've owned guns in the past but don't currently, and I dont really care about gun rights, except when people start talking about guns as expressions of political power; this kind of rhetoric makes you a violent thug and quite literally a fascist.

All I'm saying is that if you value gun rights, PR matters. And if you want to alienate the people who will be voting on things like gun control in the future, treating the violent killing of a child as a "victory" in any way for your side is a great way to about it.


Ah....so you are trolling....good to know.
2013-10-29 11:15:25 PM
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pedrop357: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.

Gun control and "protecting Second Amendment rights" are not the same thing. Does not California still have Second Amendment rights? The Supreme Court said in their gun decisions that gun control, subject to judicial review, is permissible. Which one are you talking about, the Second Amendment or gun control?

The courts have regularly ruled that the enumerated rights that the second amendment declares "shall not be infringed" indeed can be, and commonly are infringed.

Essentially the right to bear arms extends only so far as it is compatible with the general welfare clause.

I think we'll probably always have a right to own some kind of hunting or sport rifle, but anything beyond that I believe may be at risk as the NRA and it's ilk continue to alienate the younger generations.

Please provide proof that younger people are being alienated vis-a-vis gun rights.

You're a clown who likes to pretend that you've staked out some sipposedly moderate position in relation to all the poeple you like to pretend are extremists, yet you seem to repeatedly regurgitate the talking points and overall mindset of the same anti-gun people who used to claim that the 2nd amendment wasn't an individual right at all.


I've said nothing about my personal philosophy of gun rights in this thread, but people like you prove my point for me; you respond to mere conversation with histrionic aggression that makes me think that if there's any group that demonstrably can't handle the freedom to possess potentially deadly weapons, it's people with clear self-control problems like you.
2013-10-29 11:12:40 PM
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Who cares what gun was used? It was a clean self-defense shooting per a legally empaneled jury. We don't shame models of guns used by cops.

TV's Vinnie: Oh FFS! Do they actually think everyone else is as dim as they are?


Well the target group that would outraged by it think Zimmerman is guilty, so yea, they figured they can fool them.

The WindowLicker: It really sends them for a loop when I explain why the Republican Party at the national level does not support the troops (McCains vote against he post 9/11 GI bill for example)


McCain: "The most important difference between our two approaches is that Senator Webb offers veterans who served one enlistment the same benefits as those offered veterans who have re-enlisted several times. Our bill has a sliding scale that offers generous benefits to all veterans, but increases those benefits according to the veteran's length of service. I think it is important to do that because, otherwise, we will encourage more people to leave the military after they have completed one enlistment. At a time when the United States military is fighting in two wars, and as we finally are beginning the long overdue and very urgent necessity of increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps, one study estimates that Senator Webb's bill will reduce retention rates by 16%. Perhaps, if Senator Obama would take the time and trouble to understand this issue he would learn to debate an honest disagreement respectfully. But, as he always does, he prefers impugning the motives of his opponent, and exploiting a thoughtful difference of opinion to advance his own ambitions. If that is how he would behave as President, the country would regret his election."
2013-10-29 11:09:37 PM
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udhq: Doom MD: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.
Call of duty has caused more young people to get into guns than anything. To say guns are losing popularity is laughable.

There will always be a small contingent of heavily armed, single, angry conservative white men.

But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.

That's how women drive a lot of this social change, and I don't think I know a single woman under the age of 25 who owns a gun.


You know a bunch of weak men...why change for a women?

Why not teach them to shoot and not be scared of guns?
2013-10-29 11:05:12 PM
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udhq: but anything beyond that I believe may be at risk as the NRA and it's ilk continue to alienate the younger generations.


http://www.livescience.com/26289-young-americans-gun-ownership.html
"More high-school and college students plan to own guns in adulthood than actually grew up with guns in their houses, a new national survey reveals."

"This is a generation of people who all grew up post-Columbine and who have been aware of egregious   over the course of their entire lives,"


There seems to be some evidence that you're not All Knowing on what young people's views are.
2013-10-29 10:59:06 PM
1 votes:

I Browse: The Philadelphia Derringer is known as "The Gun That Killed Lincoln"

The Winchester 1873 rifle has been nicknamed "The Gun That Won the West."

I wonder how this particular Kel-Tec model will be fondly remembered years from now.


The Gun That Turned Hispanics White
2013-10-29 10:57:25 PM
1 votes:
Must be some more of those Responsible Gun Owners(tm).
2013-10-29 10:50:36 PM
1 votes:
Had Travyon killed Martin, he'd have gotten off on the same law and you racist pro-Zimmerman d-bags would be calling for a noose.
2013-10-29 10:49:45 PM
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AngryDragon: JohnBigBootay: Stay classy barely veiled racist douches.

Yeah, it's racist.

Let's ignore the fact that 3 people were killed and 23 wounded in Chicago the weekend of September 20th.  Pretty much a typical weekend in that city.  On the fourth of July weekend it was 72 people.  The average weekly combat casualties for US forces in Iraq was 10.

Let that sink in for a moment.

We take 2-7 times greater casualties in the city of Chicago than we took on average in a farking war zone.  Most of the victims are usually black, most of the shooters are usually black.  But THIS case gets all the attention, and why?  Because the "whitest" Mexican guy on the planet shot a black kid in self -defense, which was supported by a jury in a court of law.

But we're the racists.  I think you better look in a mirror.


Call racism, and you can't even get the right country. His mom is from Peru, not Mexico.
2013-10-29 10:35:32 PM
1 votes:
Fark Headline: the same gun that killed Travyon Martin
Actual Article: Handgun Model That Killed Trayvon Martin
Subby: douchenozzle
2013-10-29 10:34:58 PM
1 votes:

axeeugene: Frank N Stein: axeeugene: M1 Garands

CMP? Got mine in the spring. I love the thing.

Ayup. Can't wait. Looks like they'll be on their way in the next week or so...or one of them. at least. Well worth the wait for the price and the quality! Already got the slings, the ammo, the enblocs, and a repro ammo belt waiting for the guns' arrival!

But reading the CMP forums sometimes makes me feel like I need to take a bath afterward. The moderators keep the place pretty clean, but you can see the misplaced (displaced?) seething anger, racism, and sick single-minded obsession seeping through the cracks daily. I've thought about outing myself as one of those mythical liberal gun owners, but I know it'd just baffle them and open me up to all manner of abuse.


Yeah, it's like going to a gun show and seeing how many booths are selling copies of "The Turner Diaries."
2013-10-29 10:29:32 PM
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: axeeugene: M1 Garands

CMP? Got mine in the spring. I love the thing.


Ayup. Can't wait. Looks like they'll be on their way in the next week or so...or one of them. at least. Well worth the wait for the price and the quality! Already got the slings, the ammo, the enblocs, and a repro ammo belt waiting for the guns' arrival!

But reading the CMP forums sometimes makes me feel like I need to take a bath afterward. The moderators keep the place pretty clean, but you can see the misplaced (displaced?) seething anger, racism, and sick single-minded obsession seeping through the cracks daily. I've thought about outing myself as one of those mythical liberal gun owners, but I know it'd just baffle them and open me up to all manner of abuse.
2013-10-29 10:27:00 PM
1 votes:

udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?


I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.
2013-10-29 10:25:00 PM
1 votes:

James10952001: Who cares? Is that particular gun any more dangerous than any other gun?




Yes, it is more likely to malfunction in a self defense situation than a quality firearm, allowing the owner to get assaulted or killed.
2013-10-29 10:24:53 PM
1 votes:

James10952001: Who cares? Is that particular gun any more dangerous than any other gun?


Only if you're a DA pushing for a conviction, a gun-control group working the death-from-a-thousand-cuts strategy, or a legislator looking to pass gun bans. Otherwise, no, not really.
2013-10-29 10:23:17 PM
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udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.

That demographic shift is a long-term existential threat if you believe in the second amendment, and gun owners have nobody but themselves to blame for it.

You want to preserve your second amendment rights? Stop treating your gun as a license to behave like an antisocial shiat ball of a human being.


I dunno. Maybe I run with a different crowd but I have a different experience. Sure, I'm over 20 (but under 30), but gun owning as a thing doesn't draw any judgments like you're describing from most people. I mean, I live in liberal Chicago and most reactions I'd get if I brought up that I own a gun is "Oh, that's cool. Did you see the Bears game?"
Now, if a topic came up involving our hobbies and I stated that I enjoy duck hunting (or a similar topic in which I might mention I own gun) and the guy was being gay about it, I'd probably not be friends with such a person. Because really, who would want to be friends with such a stick in the mud?
2013-10-29 10:21:09 PM
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udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.



1) Anyone?  Make blanket statements often?  Or are you just a garden variety troll?

2) Yes, because people under 20 are known for their wisdom and vast life experience.  Oh wait, they're not.

3) Socially dysfunctional?  That's news to my friends and coworkers.
2013-10-29 10:15:43 PM
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That's going to look nice hanging on some proud redneck's wall next to his n***er hunting permit.


Man, any excuse to use the n-word...
2013-10-29 10:12:38 PM
1 votes:

dr_blasto: Also of note: the fact Dick Cheney is still alive is proof that there are no gods and karma is bullshiat.


dr_blasto: Wtf thread am I posting in? That's it. Done for today.


IDK man, your comments made the most sense.
2013-10-29 10:08:15 PM
1 votes:
Oh jeez this shiat again? KKK killed 3500 blacks in its lifetime as a racist organization, African americans kill each other that same amount in less than 6 months per year.
Sadly I agree with the KKK on this, keep focusing on george zimmerman - since there is a blind eye turned to the other thousands of problems.

/anyone else tired of this topic? kind of like the kardashians, you just can't get them to go away.
2013-10-29 09:58:42 PM
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Shostie: They're auctioning the same model of gun, not the actual gun that killed the kid, for what it's worth.


Why wouldn't they?  We know it's effective for self-defense.  Real-world tested.
2013-10-29 09:54:48 PM
1 votes:
You know what's 40 times as deadly as guns? McDonald's cheeseburgers; that's what.
2013-10-29 09:54:43 PM
1 votes:
I take it that there are people who can't get over the jury verdict yet.
2013-10-29 09:52:55 PM
1 votes:
A) Yet another "Opposing Views" link
B) About guns
C) About CISM
D) On Fark.com


No thanks, I'll just offer a blanket response: anti gun people are idiots.
2013-10-29 09:51:36 PM
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They just need to wait until racist shiatbag Holder releases Zimmerman's property so they can auction off the real thing.
2013-10-29 08:52:49 PM
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Also of note: the fact Dick Cheney is still alive is proof that there are no gods and karma is bullshiat.
2013-10-29 06:34:04 PM
1 votes:
Justice was served
 
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