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(Opposing Views)   Gun advocacy group insists that them raffling off the same gun that killed Travyon Martin was totally unintentional. Why were they doing it on the day that George Zimmerman's defense attorney was scheduled to speak, you ask? Just a coincidence   (opposingviews.com) divider line 277
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2013-10-29 10:24:58 PM

twiztedjustin: A) Yet another "Opposing Views" link
B) About guns
C) About CISM
D) On Fark.com


No thanks, I'll just offer a blanket response: anti gun people are idiots.


Your well written and intelligent contribution to this discussion should be admired.

And holy shiat, how many troll accounts are posting in this thread?  Is it all just one person?
 
2013-10-29 10:25:00 PM

James10952001: Who cares? Is that particular gun any more dangerous than any other gun?




Yes, it is more likely to malfunction in a self defense situation than a quality firearm, allowing the owner to get assaulted or killed.
 
2013-10-29 10:26:42 PM
Why is this offensive, exactly?  It's a fairly common model of gun (albeit kind of a cheaply-made one, were Glock and Springfield both out of stock when they went shopping or something?), and the kid didn't die because of the manufacturer's brand imprint, he died because some idiot pulled the trigger on a firearm in a situation of questionable appropriateness at best.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That's going to look nice hanging on some proud redneck's wall next to his n***er hunting permit.


Again, it's a Kel-Tec.  While common enough, it's only barely above "embarrassing to be seen with at the firing range" territory, it's nowhere near wall-worthy.

// Not that anyone hangs a pistol on their wall anyhow, that'd be ridiculous, but in theory.
 
2013-10-29 10:27:00 PM

udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?


I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.
 
2013-10-29 10:27:36 PM

Frank N Stein: udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.

That demographic shift is a long-term existential threat if you believe in the second amendment, and gun owners have nobody but themselves to blame for it.

You want to preserve your second amendment rights? Stop treating your gun as a license to behave like an antisocial shiat ball of a human being.

I dunno. Maybe I run with a different crowd but I have a different experience. Sure, I'm over 20 (but under 30), but gun owning as a thing doesn't draw any judgments like you're describing from most people. I mean, I live in liberal Chicago and most reactions I'd get if I brought up that I own a gun is "Oh, that's cool. Did you see the Bears game?"
Now, if a topic came up involving our hobbies and I stated that I enjoy duck hunting (or a similar topic in which I might mention I own gun) and the guy was being gay about it, I'd probably not be friends with such a person. Because really, who would want to be friends with such a stick in the mud?


Oddly enough, I don't really consort with a lot of teenagers, but the three I've talked to recently (we go to the same gym) all own guns.
 
2013-10-29 10:27:56 PM
Oooh another slobbering gun control thread. Never gets old, you know
 
2013-10-29 10:29:32 PM

Frank N Stein: axeeugene: M1 Garands

CMP? Got mine in the spring. I love the thing.


Ayup. Can't wait. Looks like they'll be on their way in the next week or so...or one of them. at least. Well worth the wait for the price and the quality! Already got the slings, the ammo, the enblocs, and a repro ammo belt waiting for the guns' arrival!

But reading the CMP forums sometimes makes me feel like I need to take a bath afterward. The moderators keep the place pretty clean, but you can see the misplaced (displaced?) seething anger, racism, and sick single-minded obsession seeping through the cracks daily. I've thought about outing myself as one of those mythical liberal gun owners, but I know it'd just baffle them and open me up to all manner of abuse.
 
2013-10-29 10:33:05 PM

axeeugene: Frank N Stein: axeeugene: M1 Garands

CMP? Got mine in the spring. I love the thing.

Ayup. Can't wait. Looks like they'll be on their way in the next week or so...or one of them. at least. Well worth the wait for the price and the quality! Already got the slings, the ammo, the enblocs, and a repro ammo belt waiting for the guns' arrival!

But reading the CMP forums sometimes makes me feel like I need to take a bath afterward. The moderators keep the place pretty clean, but you can see the misplaced (displaced?) seething anger, racism, and sick single-minded obsession seeping through the cracks daily. I've thought about outing myself as one of those mythical liberal gun owners, but I know it'd just baffle them and open me up to all manner of abuse.




As a left leaning moderate gun owner, I feel your pain. There are some crazy right wing conspiracies on gun forums.
 
2013-10-29 10:34:58 PM

axeeugene: Frank N Stein: axeeugene: M1 Garands

CMP? Got mine in the spring. I love the thing.

Ayup. Can't wait. Looks like they'll be on their way in the next week or so...or one of them. at least. Well worth the wait for the price and the quality! Already got the slings, the ammo, the enblocs, and a repro ammo belt waiting for the guns' arrival!

But reading the CMP forums sometimes makes me feel like I need to take a bath afterward. The moderators keep the place pretty clean, but you can see the misplaced (displaced?) seething anger, racism, and sick single-minded obsession seeping through the cracks daily. I've thought about outing myself as one of those mythical liberal gun owners, but I know it'd just baffle them and open me up to all manner of abuse.


Yeah, it's like going to a gun show and seeing how many booths are selling copies of "The Turner Diaries."
 
2013-10-29 10:35:27 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-29 10:35:32 PM
Fark Headline: the same gun that killed Travyon Martin
Actual Article: Handgun Model That Killed Trayvon Martin
Subby: douchenozzle
 
2013-10-29 10:36:10 PM

The_Sponge: udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.


1) Anyone?  Make blanket statements often?  Or are you just a garden variety troll?

2) Yes, because people under 20 are known for their wisdom and vast life experience.  Oh wait, they're not.

3) Socially dysfunctional?  That's news to my friends and coworkers.


It may be a blanket statement, but it's true. This is the Columbine generation who've never known a school without metal detectors, and who've lived through the violent rhetoric of 2 separate anti government movements, the tea party and the 90s militia movement.

I'm a second amendment agnostic, I've owned guns in the past but don't currently, and I dont really care about gun rights, except when people start talking about guns as expressions of political power; this kind of rhetoric makes you a violent thug and quite literally a fascist.

All I'm saying is that if you value gun rights, PR matters. And if you want to alienate the people who will be voting on things like gun control in the future, treating the violent killing of a child as a "victory" in any way for your side is a great way to about it.
 
2013-10-29 10:37:11 PM

JohnBigBootay: Stay classy barely veiled racist douches.


Yeah, it's racist.

Let's ignore the fact that 3 people were killed and 23 wounded in Chicago the weekend of September 20th.  Pretty much a typical weekend in that city.  On the fourth of July weekend it was 72 people.  The average weekly combat casualties for US forces in Iraq was 10.

Let that sink in for a moment.

We take 2-7 times greater casualties in the city of Chicago than we took on average in a farking war zone.  Most of the victims are usually black, most of the shooters are usually black.  But THIS case gets all the attention, and why?  Because the "whitest" Mexican guy on the planet shot a black kid in self -defense, which was supported by a jury in a court of law.

But we're the racists.  I think you better look in a mirror.
 
2013-10-29 10:37:58 PM

axeeugene: But reading the CMP forums sometimes makes me feel like I need to take a bath afterward. The moderators keep the place pretty clean, but you can see the misplaced (displaced?) seething anger, racism, and sick single-minded obsession seeping through the cracks daily. I've thought about outing myself as one of those mythical liberal gun owners, but I know it'd just baffle them and open me up to all manner of abuse.


This is a big issue that I have.  I was in service, and I am quite active as a gun owner, but there is an assumption from a lot of the gun people I encounter that because of those things, I will be more open to various levels of frothy misplaced political anger.

It really sends them for a loop when I explain why the Republican Party at the national level does not support the troops (McCains vote against he post 9/11 GI bill for example) or why I think the President was (and is) far more pro-gun than Romney (of the Massachusetts AWB).

The undertone on a lot of gun forums is really sketchy though, one of the main reasons I don't contribute to any of them.
 
2013-10-29 10:41:27 PM

Shostie: They're auctioning the same model of gun, not the actual gun that killed the kid, for what it's worth.


This. Zimmerman is a piece of shiat, and so are his supporters, but this is some manufactured outrage.
 
2013-10-29 10:43:04 PM
I am a racist white person obsessed with guns, which is why I listen to nothing but gangsta rap that lyrically glorifies guns, specifically ones in 9MM caliber. Just like all my other white racist friends, who are also white and racist.
 
2013-10-29 10:43:16 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.


The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.
 
2013-10-29 10:46:15 PM
The WindowLicker:
The undertone on a lot of gun forums is really sketchy though, one of the main reasons I don't contribute to any of them.

Yeah, I've definitely noticed that in my short time as an enthusiast. The CMP forum is about the only one I'd consider contributing to thanks to the pretty strong insistence that political discussions move elsewhere. Yet even there, I suspect if I outed myself as an Obama supporter I'd be crucified. Some people aren't worth arguing with...or even talking to.

I've grown to like guns. I've always been a (cautious) supporter of Second Amendment rights. But I'll never understand the gun culture's increasingly rabid nature, nor would I ever *ever* consider membership in that poisonous organization, the NRA.
 
2013-10-29 10:46:27 PM

udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.

Call of duty has caused more young people to get into guns than anything. To say guns are losing popularity is laughable.
 
2013-10-29 10:47:01 PM

udhq: The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional


SCOTUS actually refused to review the case for non-specific reasons.  It was never tested.
 
2013-10-29 10:48:07 PM

AngryDragon: Frank N Stein: Wait. Are people still butthurt about the verdict months after the fact?

Decades.  It will be decades that they are biatching about this.  They're as bad as the ultra-conservatives still frothing about Roe v. Wade.  It will never end.


So gun stores have been bombed by pro-trayvon people? Gunsmiths have been assassinated?
 
2013-10-29 10:48:26 PM

udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.


Gun control and "protecting Second Amendment rights" are not the same thing. Does not California still have Second Amendment rights? The Supreme Court said in their gun decisions that gun control, subject to judicial review, is permissible. Which one are you talking about, the Second Amendment or gun control?
 
2013-10-29 10:49:25 PM

AngryDragon: JohnBigBootay: Stay classy barely veiled racist douches.

Yeah, it's racist.

Let's ignore the fact that 3 people were killed and 23 wounded in Chicago the weekend of September 20th.  Pretty much a typical weekend in that city.  On the fourth of July weekend it was 72 people.  The average weekly combat casualties for US forces in Iraq was 10.

Let that sink in for a moment.

We take 2-7 times greater casualties in the city of Chicago than we took on average in a farking war zone.  Most of the victims are usually black, most of the shooters are usually black.  But THIS case gets all the attention, and why?  Because the "whitest" Mexican guy on the planet shot a black kid in self -defense, which was supported by a jury in a court of law.

But we're the racists.  I think you better look in a mirror.


Even scarier? Chicago isn't even in the top ten most dangerous cities in the US.

Milwaukee made the list.
 
2013-10-29 10:49:45 PM

AngryDragon: JohnBigBootay: Stay classy barely veiled racist douches.

Yeah, it's racist.

Let's ignore the fact that 3 people were killed and 23 wounded in Chicago the weekend of September 20th.  Pretty much a typical weekend in that city.  On the fourth of July weekend it was 72 people.  The average weekly combat casualties for US forces in Iraq was 10.

Let that sink in for a moment.

We take 2-7 times greater casualties in the city of Chicago than we took on average in a farking war zone.  Most of the victims are usually black, most of the shooters are usually black.  But THIS case gets all the attention, and why?  Because the "whitest" Mexican guy on the planet shot a black kid in self -defense, which was supported by a jury in a court of law.

But we're the racists.  I think you better look in a mirror.


Call racism, and you can't even get the right country. His mom is from Peru, not Mexico.
 
2013-10-29 10:50:36 PM
Had Travyon killed Martin, he'd have gotten off on the same law and you racist pro-Zimmerman d-bags would be calling for a noose.
 
2013-10-29 10:52:03 PM

udhq: It may be a blanket statement, but it's true.


Because you say it is?
 
2013-10-29 10:52:16 PM

Mrtraveler01: Why is it these "gun advocacy" groups make the sane and sensible gun owners look like loons?


Same way Pat Robertson makes "moderate" Christians look like loons.

Same way a Muslim conference that says stoning is okay makes "moderate" Muslims look like loons.

Same way Richard Dawkins saying that a Muslim conference in Norway is "moderate Islam" makes "moderate" atheists look like loons.

Same way Rebecca Watson saying that asking a girl out for coffee is harrassment, and another accusing a man who filled her wine glass of rape, makes "moderate" feminists look like loons.

Same way Ted Cruz makes "moderate" Republicans look like loons.
 
2013-10-29 10:52:56 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Had Travyon killed Martin, he'd have gotten off on the same law and you racist pro-Zimmerman d-bags would be calling for a noose.


Stand your ground covers suicide?
 
2013-10-29 10:55:31 PM

Jill'sNipple: AngryDragon: JohnBigBootay: Stay classy barely veiled racist douches.

Yeah, it's racist.

Let's ignore the fact that 3 people were killed and 23 wounded in Chicago the weekend of September 20th.  Pretty much a typical weekend in that city.  On the fourth of July weekend it was 72 people.  The average weekly combat casualties for US forces in Iraq was 10.

Let that sink in for a moment.

We take 2-7 times greater casualties in the city of Chicago than we took on average in a farking war zone.  Most of the victims are usually black, most of the shooters are usually black.  But THIS case gets all the attention, and why?  Because the "whitest" Mexican guy on the planet shot a black kid in self -defense, which was supported by a jury in a court of law.

But we're the racists.  I think you better look in a mirror.

Call racism, and you can't even get the right country. His mom is from Peru, not Mexico.


Thank you for exactly proving my point.
 
2013-10-29 10:56:08 PM

Sgt Otter: axeeugene: Frank N Stein: axeeugene: M1 Garands

CMP? Got mine in the spring. I love the thing.

Ayup. Can't wait. Looks like they'll be on their way in the next week or so...or one of them. at least. Well worth the wait for the price and the quality! Already got the slings, the ammo, the enblocs, and a repro ammo belt waiting for the guns' arrival!

But reading the CMP forums sometimes makes me feel like I need to take a bath afterward. The moderators keep the place pretty clean, but you can see the misplaced (displaced?) seething anger, racism, and sick single-minded obsession seeping through the cracks daily. I've thought about outing myself as one of those mythical liberal gun owners, but I know it'd just baffle them and open me up to all manner of abuse.

Yeah, it's like going to a gun show and seeing how many booths are selling copies of "The Turner Diaries."


Crossroads of the West has done a good job cleaning out the kooktastic racist fools from the Southern California gun shows they manage.  There's still a bit of Anti-Obama stuff, but it's more in the vein of "OMG A DEMOCRAT LIEBRUL IS GRABBING YOUR GUNS", and less about the black men dating your lily white daughters.

I think the doomsday preppers took over the lunatic niche, so instead of booths with the Turner Diaries I see the ones where the guys is selling the 5 gallon water-tight buckets of bachelor chow and solar panels.
 
2013-10-29 10:56:50 PM
The Philadelphia Derringer is known as "The Gun That Killed Lincoln"

The Winchester 1873 rifle has been nicknamed "The Gun That Won the West."

I wonder how this particular Kel-Tec model will be fondly remembered years from now.
 
2013-10-29 10:57:20 PM

Jill'sNipple: Shostie: They're auctioning the same model of gun, not the actual gun that killed the kid, for what it's worth.

This. Zimmerman is a piece of shiat, and so are his supporters, but this is some manufactured outrage.


Yes.  Manufactured by the gun lobby to stir up shiat. The same people have declared December 14, 2013, "Guns Save Lives Day".  December 14 is the 1-year anniversary of the Sandy Hook shooting.  They're just trolling people now.
 
2013-10-29 10:57:25 PM
Must be some more of those Responsible Gun Owners(tm).
 
2013-10-29 10:58:19 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.

Gun control and "protecting Second Amendment rights" are not the same thing. Does not California still have Second Amendment rights? The Supreme Court said in their gun decisions that gun control, subject to judicial review, is permissible. Which one are you talking about, the Second Amendment or gun control?


The courts have regularly ruled that the enumerated rights that the second amendment declares "shall not be infringed" indeed can be, and commonly are infringed.

Essentially the right to bear arms extends only so far as it is compatible with the general welfare clause.

I think we'll probably always have a right to own some kind of hunting or sport rifle, but anything beyond that I believe may be at risk as the NRA and it's ilk continue to alienate the younger generations.
 
2013-10-29 10:59:06 PM

I Browse: The Philadelphia Derringer is known as "The Gun That Killed Lincoln"

The Winchester 1873 rifle has been nicknamed "The Gun That Won the West."

I wonder how this particular Kel-Tec model will be fondly remembered years from now.


The Gun That Turned Hispanics White
 
2013-10-29 11:03:21 PM
Jim_Callahan: // Not that anyone hangs a pistol on their wall anyhow, that'd be ridiculous, but in theory.

I sometimes kill guns in the wild, strip them of their slides, and hang them over the fireplace. The clusters of luminescent sights look striking in the living room.
 
2013-10-29 11:04:19 PM

Doom MD: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.
Call of duty has caused more young people to get into guns than anything. To say guns are losing popularity is laughable.


There will always be a small contingent of heavily armed, single, angry conservative white men.

But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.

That's how women drive a lot of this social change, and I don't think I know a single woman under the age of 25 who owns a gun.
 
2013-10-29 11:04:36 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Had Travyon killed Martin, he'd have gotten off on the same law and you racist pro-Zimmerman d-bags would be calling for a noose.


Had Trayvon killed Zimmerman we never would have heard of the incident.

And what 'same law' are you talking about? Tread lightly as I suspect you are woefully ill prepared for a real discussion on the topic.
 
2013-10-29 11:05:12 PM

udhq: but anything beyond that I believe may be at risk as the NRA and it's ilk continue to alienate the younger generations.


http://www.livescience.com/26289-young-americans-gun-ownership.html
"More high-school and college students plan to own guns in adulthood than actually grew up with guns in their houses, a new national survey reveals."

"This is a generation of people who all grew up post-Columbine and who have been aware of egregious   over the course of their entire lives,"


There seems to be some evidence that you're not All Knowing on what young people's views are.
 
2013-10-29 11:06:31 PM

udhq: Doom MD: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.
Call of duty has caused more young people to get into guns than anything. To say guns are losing popularity is laughable.

There will always be a small contingent of heavily armed, single, angry conservative white men.

But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.

That's how women drive a lot of this social change, and I don't think I know a single woman under the age of 25 who owns a gun.


Also, games like call of duty only reinforce the idea that guns are purely or primarily implements of violence.
 
2013-10-29 11:07:19 PM

udhq: But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.


You're A) Lying and B) Moving goal posts.

Just stop bro.
 
2013-10-29 11:07:54 PM

udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.

Gun control and "protecting Second Amendment rights" are not the same thing. Does not California still have Second Amendment rights? The Supreme Court said in their gun decisions that gun control, subject to judicial review, is permissible. Which one are you talking about, the Second Amendment or gun control?

The courts have regularly ruled that the enumerated rights that the second amendment declares "shall not be infringed" indeed can be, and commonly are infringed.

Essentially the right to bear arms extends only so far as it is compatible with the general welfare clause.

I think we'll probably always have a right to own some kind of hunting or sport rifle, but anything beyond that I believe may be at risk as the NRA and it's ilk continue to alienate the younger generations.


Please provide proof that younger people are being alienated vis-a-vis gun rights.

You're a clown who likes to pretend that you've staked out some sipposedly moderate position in relation to all the poeple you like to pretend are extremists, yet you seem to repeatedly regurgitate the talking points and overall mindset of the same anti-gun people who used to claim that the 2nd amendment wasn't an individual right at all.
 
2013-10-29 11:07:59 PM

udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.

That demographic shift is a long-term existential threat if you believe in the second amendment, and gun owners have nobody but themselves to blame for it.

You want to preserve your second amendment rights? Stop treating your gun as a license to behave like an antisocial shiat ball of a human being.


I'm 27, and love guns, and I'm starting to develop the same views.

I mean, damn. I'm all for situational awareness, but if your first action upon entering a room is to decide who in the room catches the first bullets, where they catch them, and where all the exits are so you can "help others get to safety"...and you don't work for a government agency in a country where you'd have no business being there otherwise...it's time to back the hell off. Yet, you turn on the Outdoor channel Wednesday nights or open up any gun magazine, and there are articles and TV shows dedicated to propagating that line of thinking, when they're not busy jerking off to the latest mil-spec AR-15 with enough useless shiat attached to it to completely pay for a brand new Camaro ZL1 and insurance for a year.

And zombies! Jesus titty farking Christ, zombies are played out as is. I saw a TV show once where these two dudes claimed to give out real information to use in a zombie apocalypse. I about put my remote through the TV screen 40 seconds into that shiat. People, if you have that much of a need to shoot people, seek psychiatric care and go buy a farking XBox.

/yeah, I've got a couple issues with the gun industry
 
2013-10-29 11:08:50 PM

udhq: udhq: Doom MD: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.
Call of duty has caused more young people to get into guns than anything. To say guns are losing popularity is laughable.

There will always be a small contingent of heavily armed, single, angry conservative white men.

But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.

That's how women drive a lot of this social change, and I don't think I know a single woman under the age of 25 who owns a gun.

Also, games like call of duty only reinforce the idea that guns are purely or primarily implements of violence.


And that's how we know you're another troll.
 
2013-10-29 11:09:37 PM

udhq: Doom MD: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.
Call of duty has caused more young people to get into guns than anything. To say guns are losing popularity is laughable.

There will always be a small contingent of heavily armed, single, angry conservative white men.

But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.

That's how women drive a lot of this social change, and I don't think I know a single woman under the age of 25 who owns a gun.


You know a bunch of weak men...why change for a women?

Why not teach them to shoot and not be scared of guns?
 
2013-10-29 11:09:38 PM

udhq: The_Sponge: udhq: Ask anyone under 20, and they'll tell you that gun owners are weird and socially dysfunctional.


1) Anyone?  Make blanket statements often?  Or are you just a garden variety troll?

2) Yes, because people under 20 are known for their wisdom and vast life experience.  Oh wait, they're not.

3) Socially dysfunctional?  That's news to my friends and coworkers.

It may be a blanket statement, but it's true. This is the Columbine generation who've never known a school without metal detectors, and who've lived through the violent rhetoric of 2 separate anti government movements, the tea party and the 90s militia movement.

I'm a second amendment agnostic, I've owned guns in the past but don't currently, and I dont really care about gun rights, except when people start talking about guns as expressions of political power; this kind of rhetoric makes you a violent thug and quite literally a fascist.

All I'm saying is that if you value gun rights, PR matters. And if you want to alienate the people who will be voting on things like gun control in the future, treating the violent killing of a child as a "victory" in any way for your side is a great way to about it.


Well you can feel free to express what you think. Our 2nd Amendment, protects your right to the 1st. You may want to think about that.
 
2013-10-29 11:09:43 PM

pedrop357: And that's how we know you're another troll.


I give him a 7/10. He had me going.
 
2013-10-29 11:12:40 PM
Who cares what gun was used? It was a clean self-defense shooting per a legally empaneled jury. We don't shame models of guns used by cops.

TV's Vinnie: Oh FFS! Do they actually think everyone else is as dim as they are?


Well the target group that would outraged by it think Zimmerman is guilty, so yea, they figured they can fool them.

The WindowLicker: It really sends them for a loop when I explain why the Republican Party at the national level does not support the troops (McCains vote against he post 9/11 GI bill for example)


McCain: "The most important difference between our two approaches is that Senator Webb offers veterans who served one enlistment the same benefits as those offered veterans who have re-enlisted several times. Our bill has a sliding scale that offers generous benefits to all veterans, but increases those benefits according to the veteran's length of service. I think it is important to do that because, otherwise, we will encourage more people to leave the military after they have completed one enlistment. At a time when the United States military is fighting in two wars, and as we finally are beginning the long overdue and very urgent necessity of increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps, one study estimates that Senator Webb's bill will reduce retention rates by 16%. Perhaps, if Senator Obama would take the time and trouble to understand this issue he would learn to debate an honest disagreement respectfully. But, as he always does, he prefers impugning the motives of his opponent, and exploiting a thoughtful difference of opinion to advance his own ambitions. If that is how he would behave as President, the country would regret his election."
 
2013-10-29 11:12:43 PM

udhq: Doom MD: udhq: Adolf Oliver Nipples: udhq: You want to preserve your second amendment rights?

I don't have to try to preserve them, you'll never get a majority of Representatives, 23rds of the Senate, and 38 states to agree to a repeal. Never.

The ssecond amendment doesn't have to be repealed to pass major restrictions on gun rights. Remember the temporary awb? That was never found to be unconstitutional.

Go into a high school class room sometime and talk to some of the kids. I have, even in some quite rural areas, and my conclusion is that like it or not, the meaning and scope of "gun rights" will almost certainly evolve in the next 50 years.
Call of duty has caused more young people to get into guns than anything. To say guns are losing popularity is laughable.

There will always be a small contingent of heavily armed, single, angry conservative white men.

But I know probably a dozen men from the rural town where I grew up who gave up their guns in order to convince their gfs to get married or have kids.

That's how women drive a lot of this social change, and I don't think I know a single woman under the age of 25 who owns a gun.


I do, and it's because they grew up around family that hunts and shoots clays for fun.  Not so much owning pistols, but long guns, yeah.
 
2013-10-29 11:14:07 PM

WhyKnot: You know a bunch of weak men...why change for a women?

Why not teach them to shoot and not be scared of guns?


You know, I dated a stereotypical white liberal in my early 20s for about 4 years. She was college educated, feminist, pro-choice, Jewish, and her dad was a farking professor and former writer for the NY Times. She was a huge Kerry supporter and worked endlessly campaigning for him. The whole 9 liberal yards. She was weary about me owning guns at first (as she was pretty anti-gun), but after she moved in with me she slowly became more and more pro-gun. Eventually me and her would go to the range and have a great time and she agreed that gun control was bullshiat.
 
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