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(Talking Points Memo)   "I'm concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor. That if you're poor, somehow you're shiftless and lazy." - OH Governor and confirmed Communist John Kasich   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 23
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2013-10-29 04:11:39 PM
5 votes:
www.batesline.com
2013-10-29 05:09:34 PM
3 votes:
LATEST UPDATE ON THE WAR ON POVERTY:

The poor lost.
2013-10-29 07:11:10 PM
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Lionel Mandrake: It says so in the Bible. Somewhere in the back, I think.

I'll take your word on it.


You sound lazy.
2013-10-29 06:35:13 PM
2 votes:

impaler: maddogdelta: tbeatty: Actually the war is on the shiftless and lazy.TM

In other words, the Black people, right?

Jesus Christ not out loud!


Call them "urban." Then everyone knows what you mean, but you won't get the help all pissed off at you.
2013-10-29 05:09:37 PM
2 votes:
I think it'd be pretty cool if someone started a moderate conservative party with a Rhino as the mascot.
2013-10-29 04:57:38 PM
2 votes:

Jackson Herring: Dusk-You-n-Me: Reciprocal altruism implies that voters will dislike giving money to the poor if, as in the United States, the poor are perceived as lazy. In contrast, Europeans overwhelmingly believe that the poor are poor because they have been unfortunate. This difference in views is part of what is sometimes referred to as "American exceptionalism." Link

the just world fallacy is the foundation of modern conservative thought


"Is that just philosophy you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?"
2013-10-29 04:54:05 PM
2 votes:
War on the poor? Ha! They can't even afford a gun.
2013-10-29 11:45:37 PM
1 votes:

IlGreven: Here's where they pull the "there's plenty of jobs at McDonald's and Walmart!" card.


They are starter or second jobs that may or may not lead to bigger and better things.  I have no problem with those that work here.
2013-10-29 11:12:31 PM
1 votes:

Talondel: impaler: Talondel: If you hold that caring for your fellow man is an individual and not a collective responsibility, that is consistent with both Christian teaching and libertarianism.

Then why were the first Christians collectivists?

Because that's also not inconsistent with Christ's teachings?

Sum Dum Gai: If individual responsibility were sufficient there would be neither the need nor the desire for collective responsibility.  It is precisely because leaving it to individuals to care for their fellow humans has continually failed that collective action is needed at all.

Feel free to cite me to the part of the Bible where Jesus said that.  That's modern social science, not Christianity.

Mugato: That's...sort of a valid loophole I guess but then religion is full of them.

It's not a loophole.  It's the teaching of Christ.  Christ said "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." Matthew 19:21.  He didn't say "If you want to be perfect, go vote to raise taxes on the rich and give it to the poor." or "If you want to be perfect, go ask your neighbors to help care for the poor."  He said "sell your possessions and give to the poor."  You.  The individual.

Lord Dimwit: I'm okay with that sort of tack if and only if the same person doesn't also demand that their personal prejudices, supposedly based in Christian ethics, are encoded into civil law. You can believe that Christ wanted the individual, not society, to help the poor, but then you'd better also believe that it's up to the individual to decide whom to marry or whether or not to take birth control.

Bingo.

xria: Is it really valid when it basically boils down to an argument that "Government should let the poor starve so I have the maximum opportunities possible to earn the brownie points with Jesus to get into Heaven"?

No.  If your motivation is to draw attention to your own good works, you receive no reward.

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.  But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."  Matthew 6:1-4.

skullkrusher: Stop. This is Fark where libertarianism and Objectivism are the same thing

They're similar, but not identical.  Typically both groups believe that certain rights are 'fundamental' or 'natural'.  Many (but not all) libertarians believe "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights."  Objectivists believe that the fundamental human rights can be determined by the application of pure reason (i.e. objectively) without reference to any god.


Jesus also attacked the money lenders- big business. Jesus admonished the Pharisees- mega church charadmatic pastors. Jesus said give unto Ceasar- pay your taxes.

Never, however, did Jesus say- vote down social programming that the modern capitalist democracy can provide on unprecedented levels which could make poverty so much less harsh and could greatly reduce nationwide poverty through such unrighteousness and unholy things as nutrition programs, education programs, birth control, and emergency assistance.

Yeah I am pretty sure I missed the chapter where Jesus said don't pool the resources of the richest nation on earth to try and eradicate poverty- for lo my father really will only reward thou who giveth to charity in the least efficient way. For that wouldeth be very unchristian for the method of giving must specifically exclude the government

Ps I hate figs
2013-10-29 07:21:11 PM
1 votes:
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Remember kids.. people with Capital can organize into corporations but labor is not allowed to organize into unions.  That's Marxism.
2013-10-29 07:07:13 PM
1 votes:

Talondel: vernonFL: If you run around calling yourself a Christian, you cannot at the same tome subscribe to the philosophy of Ayn Rand.

Well yeah, considering that Rand was an atheist, I'm pretty sure that would violate some of the core tenants of Christianity. But it's certainly possible to follow other forms of libertarian ideology without running afoul of any Christian tenants. If you hold that caring for your fellow man is an individual and not a collective responsibility, that is consistent with both Christian teaching and libertarianism.


Stop. This is Fark where libertarianism and Objectivism are the same thing
2013-10-29 06:56:25 PM
1 votes:
Kasich is a pretty slow study, apparently.

Somebody ask him about Miley Cyrus next and see what fresh new perspectives he has on all that.
2013-10-29 06:30:55 PM
1 votes:

maddogdelta: tbeatty: Actually the war is on the shiftless and lazy.TM

In other words, the Black people, right?


Jesus Christ not out loud!
2013-10-29 06:18:48 PM
1 votes:

tbeatty: Actually the war is on the shiftless and lazy.


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Shiftless!

www.ukprogressive.co.uk

Lazy!
2013-10-29 06:17:25 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: impaler: "Poor" people.

Like my Grandfather.


No, no, no...the shiftless and lazy ones...you know...those people
2013-10-29 05:55:43 PM
1 votes:
Being poor is totes awesome, she would know!

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2013-10-29 05:49:01 PM
1 votes:
When I was a kid I was always jealous of the classmate that had one outfit to wear all year. He didn't even have to think about which outfit he was going to wear that day. Think of all the concern the kids won't have when we take their housing and food away too!
2013-10-29 05:13:33 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: chimp_ninja: (Heck, I'd be happy with programs that went around cities, harvested condemned/decrepit properties for scrap/recycling, and converted them back into fields/parks/whatever. Steady work with little training required. I'd wager the ROI is pretty good in terms of increased value (and therefore property taxes) collected from the surrounding buildings, as well as the increased business revenue you see when your neighborhood doesn't look like Thunderdome.)

You could start in Detroit. I would assume that those that are left and are unemployed would be tickled shiatless for the opportunity to do hard manual labor for their dinner.


No.   Certain people are lazy and have no interest in improving their community or working for a living.  You know which people I mean, right?  *wink, wink*
2013-10-29 05:08:20 PM
1 votes:

Serious Black: Talondel: vernonFL: If you run around calling yourself a Christian, you cannot at the same tome subscribe to the philosophy of Ayn Rand.

Well yeah, considering that Rand was an atheist, I'm pretty sure that would violate some of the core tenants of Christianity. But it's certainly possible to follow other forms of libertarian ideology without running afoul of any Christian tenants. If you hold that caring for your fellow man is an individual and not a collective responsibility, that is consistent with both Christian teaching and libertarianism.

The Bible can be used to justify all kinds of things, It's a blank canvas upon which we impose our own worldview.


I'd call it a rainbow canvas.  So many words, so many authors, you can pick whatever color you like.
2013-10-29 04:58:20 PM
1 votes:
guy's the biggest RINO on the planet and he's so scared of losing to the liborat challenger that he just took their side, now his lib ass is gonna get tea partied suck it libs
2013-10-29 04:55:58 PM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: War on the poor? Ha! They can't even afford a gun.


Sure they can afford a gun.  Guns aren't all that dangerous, though, compared to being able to afford lobbyists.  When you can buy a crapload of lobbyists you can wreak havoc.
2013-10-29 04:50:54 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: TFA: "You know what?" he added. "The very people who complain ought to ask their grandparents if they worked at the W.P.A."

A return to the work camps of the 30s eh? I'm down with that.


" I was on welfare and food stamps, and did anybody help me?  No." - Craig T. Nelson
2013-10-29 03:54:22 PM
1 votes:
It's OK to point out the war on the poor.  Just don't be a high ranking GOP party member when you do it.
 
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