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2013-10-29 03:58:43 PM  
When a Subby tries to get me to watch a 53 minute deposition, I know it is gonna be a long day.
 
2013-10-29 04:21:41 PM  
imageshack.com

Thank Clinton for Bush.
 
2013-10-29 05:32:15 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-29 07:35:25 PM  
Wow, how sad is it that I found that much more interesting and entertaining than most television shows? I put it on expecting to shut it off right away, and had watched 10mins before I realized it...
 
2013-10-29 08:07:24 PM  
They developed it as a singular application, they marketed it as a singular application, they managed it like a singular application, and then when the lawyers came it they were all "It's part of the operating system".

I have also noticed that with each new version the file folder window has begun to look more and more similar to a browser window.
 
2013-10-29 08:50:38 PM  

UseLessHuman: They developed it as a singular application, they marketed it as a singular application, they managed it like a singular application, and then when the lawyers came it they were all "It's part of the operating system".

I have also noticed that with each new version the file folder window has begun to look more and more similar to a browser window.


MS has always had a very inconsistent view of what an operating system is. They have not applied any clear boundaries, and therefore they have always had issues of what piece should do what.
It is, and has always been, a hotch-potch that they still are re-using. They basically want to see everything that is running as part of the OS. No wonder they have problems with security. memory usage, performance, error handling and recovery, and any other aspect of OS quality.
 
2013-10-29 09:00:08 PM  
Gates would have a hard time arguing a foreign key or maybe a GOTO statement, since he hasn't wrote code since 1975.
 
2013-10-29 10:34:18 PM  
can someone give the time frames for the good parts.
 
2013-10-29 11:31:46 PM  
I never did get what the big deal is about including MSIE with Windows.  It's not like doing so prevented people from getting another browser if they wished to do so
 
2013-10-29 11:40:27 PM  

Zaltec: Wow, how sad is it that I found that much more interesting and entertaining than most television shows? I put it on expecting to shut it off right away, and had watched 10mins before I realized it...


Somehow I'm 30 minutes in.

ltdanman44: can someone give the time frames for the good parts.


There aren't any in particular. Its just a lot of stalling and throwing out answers to questions not asked.

Its surprising how obvious Gates makes it when he stalls. He is like an amateur in debate club, picking apart specific words but presenting no rebuttal.

You can spot the moments whenever he is able to plausibly deny knowledge about a product or a decision by holding his head high and speaking matter-of-fact, but when he gets cornered by his own words he is unable to make eye contact, often staring down, with speech slowing and rambling.

He refuses to identify Internet Explorer as an internet browser, calling it just a tool used in 'browsing', also referring it to the collection of bits that refer to a brand and that they cannot be defined as a single product.
He refuses to identify the primary distribution and marketing method of Internet Explorer, stating that it is available for download from the internet and not mentioning that it is bundled with Windows as he is often asked.
He argues that definitions of terms are too narrow, then argues the definitions are too broad and vague as though he is unable to narrow down his products to fit any of the definitions unless they are 100% concise, like  defining what an operating system is, stating that it is continuously changing and therefore cannot be bound to any definition.
He has a hard time understanding sentences in the context of a paragraph and cant understand sentences when taken out of context.

Just overall, its very obvious he is aware of his actions to limit other companies' abilities to incorporate their browsers in windows and may be trying to frustrate the questioner into giving up repeating questions. Gates comes off as a know-it-all who was coached badly in some turtling and when he evades answers it makes it all more obvious he is trying not to confirm what everyone already knew.
 
2013-10-30 12:49:24 AM  
Well Bill Gates was right because browsers and desktop folders are so integrated today on every operating system. Oh wait no they are not. So either Gates was believing it to cause a monopoly or he was just an idiot trying to put two things together that no one else thought should go to together.
 
2013-10-30 01:37:59 AM  
I have a friend that deposed Gates for a lawsuit a long time ago, but I guess it was a different case then this. I wish I could get a copy of that one.
 
2013-10-30 01:41:04 AM  

ltdanman44: can someone give the time frames for the good parts.


The nudity starts around 15.05, but the sex doesn't kick in until 27.17.

/I could have done without the Gates/Ballmer/Thompson "Human Centipede" tribute at 43.21
 
2013-10-30 03:15:57 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I never did get what the big deal is about including MSIE with Windows.  It's not like doing so prevented people from getting another browser if they wished to do so


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying
 
2013-10-30 10:38:56 AM  

DuudeStanky: Zaltec: Wow, how sad is it that I found that much more interesting and entertaining than most television shows? I put it on expecting to shut it off right away, and had watched 10mins before I realized it...

Somehow I'm 30 minutes in.

ltdanman44: can someone give the time frames for the good parts.

There aren't any in particular. Its just a lot of stalling and throwing out answers to questions not asked.

Its surprising how obvious Gates makes it when he stalls. He is like an amateur in debate club, picking apart specific words but presenting no rebuttal.

You can spot the moments whenever he is able to plausibly deny knowledge about a product or a decision by holding his head high and speaking matter-of-fact, but when he gets cornered by his own words he is unable to make eye contact, often staring down, with speech slowing and rambling.

He refuses to identify Internet Explorer as an internet browser, calling it just a tool used in 'browsing', also referring it to the collection of bits that refer to a brand and that they cannot be defined as a single product.
He refuses to identify the primary distribution and marketing method of Internet Explorer, stating that it is available for download from the internet and not mentioning that it is bundled with Windows as he is often asked.
He argues that definitions of terms are too narrow, then argues the definitions are too broad and vague as though he is unable to narrow down his products to fit any of the definitions unless they are 100% concise, like  defining what an operating system is, stating that it is continuously changing and therefore cannot be bound to any definition.
He has a hard time understanding sentences in the context of a paragraph and cant understand sentences when taken out of context.

Just overall, its very obvious he is aware of his actions to limit other companies' abilities to incorporate their browsers in windows and may be trying to frustrate the questioner into giving up repeating question ...


Where is your video of you being grilled?
 
2013-10-30 11:50:50 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Where is your video of you being grilled?


Why are you asking that? Are you suggesting that I should have a video of myself being questioned about anti-competitive actions taken by me as a CEO before I am allowed to comment on a video of Bill Gates?

If we all had some sort of prerequisite of having to experience before commenting, the other comments both before and after mine wouldn't be permitted. I'm not saying "I'd do it much better therefore I'm better than Bill Gates" or anything. I was pointing out what he was doing in the video with my own subjective opinion at the end.
 
2013-10-30 07:05:04 PM  

DuudeStanky: StoPPeRmobile: Where is your video of you being grilled?

Why are you asking that? Are you suggesting that I should have a video of myself being questioned about anti-competitive actions taken by me as a CEO before I am allowed to comment on a video of Bill Gates?

If we all had some sort of prerequisite of having to experience before commenting, the other comments both before and after mine wouldn't be permitted. I'm not saying "I'd do it much better therefore I'm better than Bill Gates" or anything. I was pointing out what he was doing in the video with my own subjective opinion at the end.


DuudeStanky: StoPPeRmobile: Where is your video of you being grilled?

Why are you asking that? Are you suggesting that I should have a video of myself being questioned about anti-competitive actions taken by me as a CEO before I am allowed to comment on a video of Bill Gates?

If we all had some sort of prerequisite of having to experience before commenting, the other comments both before and after mine wouldn't be permitted. I'm not saying "I'd do it much better therefore I'm better than Bill Gates" or anything. I was pointing out what he was doing in the video with my own subjective opinion at the end.



Hell, I'd do it better. Even if I did have to bullshiat my way through it--which I wouldn't, because *I* have never directed MS product tying shenanigans. Sorry, no video (part of the whole "didn't violate antitrust law in the first place" thing).

That said, Gates is probably right to focus on the precise wording of his responses even at the cost of appearing...like that...when he gives them. Their position was "we deny doing what everyone knows we have been doing." Weaselling and squirming doesn't hurt that position; accidental honesty would.
 
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