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(HitFix)   How Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has gone A.W.R.Y   (hitfix.com ) divider line
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2013-10-29 05:57:39 PM  
5 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!


Skye might be a little vanilla as a character, but the complaints about her hacker-skills are more than a little ridiculous.

"She's too pretty to be a hacker!"  That's just people thinking pretty girls must be stupid, which is stupid (you didn't say it, but others have).
"She was living in a van, WTF!"  Explained in the most recent episode; she bought fully into the whole lack of materialism thing.  As for why she was clean and looked good; she wasn't homeless and POOR.  She's a superhacker.  She probably just hacks a bank if she needs cash for something.

And more on point, with what you said, the "she keeps doing stuff that's impossible!"  It's a superhero show.  It just featured a guy that can throw fire.  It's made references to another guy who's literally a Norse God.  SHIELD agents are the best humanity has to offer,  in a world where superheroes and magic exists.

If I can accept that the Hulk exists, I can accept someone hacking shiat with a cellphone.


rugman11: What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie.  Where's that SHIELD?  Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this?  That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.


They ARE the B-Team.  That was spelled out early on.  They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either someone he's worked with extensively (Ming-Na), or a total rookie he can mould.

Even their plane isn't a big investment, for a group that has a hovercarrier.

If we were dealing with the full might of SHIELD in every episode, it would get ridiculous, and the effects budget would be through the roof.  This way, they get to tell a much more human-level story, and keep the budget within reason.

The idea, almost certainly, is that the Coulson B-Team will meld together and become one of SHIELD's crack squads.  But we've got to get through those early days, first.  It's still the first season, which will mostly be about that coming together.  Next season, things will really start to tick along, most likely.
2013-10-29 05:47:25 PM  
5 votes:
K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.
2013-10-29 04:07:45 PM  
4 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Oh look another Agents thread...


People love talking about Joss Whedon related things more than people like Joss Whedon related things
2013-10-30 08:40:35 AM  
3 votes:

SeesWhatYouDidThere: Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.

N.O  T.H.I.S  I.S  W.H.Y  I  W.A.T.C.H


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2013-10-29 05:45:27 PM  
3 votes:
I hope they kill both of the nerdy "science" people very soon.
2013-10-30 01:47:17 PM  
2 votes:

Ringshadow: This is really simple.

This show is not for the uninitiated. This show is for MCU fans. Not just Marvel comic fans, specifically, MCU. MCU is not 616, and I hope to god it never is (I recently got back into comic books and oh my god is IIM depressing).

This show is because the fandom denied Agent Coulson back to life, so they gave Clark Gregg a TV show. Which is awesome. But if you don't like MCU, you're not welcome here. The show is not for you. It's for bandwagon riders only.


No, it's not for MCU fans, either. Because this SHIELD isn't the SHIELD in the comics, or even the movies. This is the Scooby Doo team with a budget appropriated from the Department of Homeland Security.

This is a world in which a trained SHIELD operative is rewarded for his death with a plane and license to get together an acquisitions team, and who somehow fills his few allowed spots with two nerd-cute scientists whose roles could have been filled with an occasional conference call with Headquarters, a known double-agent hacker who was hired specifically because she isn't drinking the organizational kool-aid (which, interestingly, Coulson forgot when he got mad at her for cavorting with the enemy organization he knew she was a member of), one actual competent spy with the personality of an ironing board, and one experienced combatant/pilot who's "got two weeks to go til retirement" and is getting too old for this shiat.

I've never seen anything in the MCU that implies that SHIELD has that amount of incompetence and whimsy as one of its organizational values. When dealing with ancient artifacts that could destroy the world, or with exploding supervillains and the evil organization that wants to keep making them, the CIA doesn't send Agent Hooptydoo and the Getalong Gang; they send hard pipe-hitting motherfarkers who know what they're doing from the get-go.

This isn't the MCU. It's a geek-twee "We're all ok" nerdgasm version. It's the live-action version of those 80s cartoons meant to sell toys. The MCU at least pays a little homage to the world of interdiction, espionage, and logistics (division), where as the greatest evil this team faces is its members' resistance to becoming a family.

//should be running back to back with Supernatural on CW in my opinion

Supernatural is gasping out its final breaths. I'm a fan from way back, and I loved the brothers, monsters, bullets, cars, and classic rock tone of the show. Now it's the "Dean keeps a secret from Sam while angels do all the cool stuff" show. Though I'd be in favor of SHIELD following it so they can huddle with each other as the lights go out on both shows.
2013-10-30 09:04:27 AM  
2 votes:

SeesWhatYouDidThere: SeesWhatYouDidThere: Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.

N.O  T.H.I.S  I.S  W.H.Y  I  W.A.T.C.H

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/image didn't attach the first time...


And you're why TV shows suck these days.
2013-10-30 02:10:07 AM  
2 votes:

Silvyrbug: As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do.


Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired. That was an amazingly well-put-together show. Its cancellation was a crime against culture.

Honestly, I don't think Whedon ever recovered from it. Both Dollhouse and SHIELD have the bland aroma of compromise. It's as if he lacked the enthusiasm to commit to the premise, worried that he'll get his heart broken, assuming his heart is even in it in the first place.
2013-10-30 12:34:08 AM  
2 votes:

nocturnal001: This show makes me miss Alphas.


Watching the Tomorrow People reboot made me miss Alphas. The second season was even better than the first one, imo. I'm sad it got canceled. Speaking of interesting characters, Gary was just amazing.
2013-10-29 09:48:57 PM  
2 votes:

Trocadero: SpdrJay: I'll save my comments for tomorrow's Agent of SHIELD thread....

After watching another great episode of Arrow. Arrow started pretty weak, as well, but I think even Arrow was better 5 episodes in than Agents. Granted, I don't think they'd gotten to the Huntress yet, which was the low point. Last week had so many great Easter eggs that they can use; Metamorpho Chemical company, the container ship Amazo, and of course, **SPOILERS** Ras Al'Gul, mother farkers!


I don't think Arrow started out as weak as AoS did. I think it helped that they started right away with a concept that was meant to go a full season (the list) and put it in a format that could be done on a per episode basis. I also like the bit by bit reveal of what happened on the island. That was a very smart move by the writers since they don't have to go back and retcon stuff they showed in the first few episodes as flashbacks, they can just add to the flashbacks. The other thing that helped Arrow is that the characters seemed to start with actual personalities that are being built upon rather than starting with a cardboard cutout that they try to paint a personality on as they go the way AoS seems to be doing.
2013-10-29 09:18:33 PM  
2 votes:
My only complaint is I wanted it more like NCIS and instead I'm getting more NCIS L.A.
Other than that, why are people complaining about a show they don't own?
It's Marvel fun.
It's one hour.
Either watch it or don't, but quit your biatching about it.

/eh, this meal is horrible. Instead of quit eating it, I'll just keep eating it and complain.
2013-10-29 08:17:05 PM  
2 votes:
The biggest crime is it is bland.
2013-10-29 07:41:25 PM  
2 votes:
Five episodes in and the only time I cracked a smile was Fury's cameo. That tells me all I need to know.
2013-10-29 06:18:47 PM  
2 votes:

Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.


I'm with you.  More Coulson and May, less cheap Agent Cary Elwes and Generic Flighty Whedon Gurrl.  I recognize they're shooting for a younger demographic, but even the younger demographic would prefer more Coulson.  He's fun.
2013-10-29 05:39:59 PM  
2 votes:
Same thing that kills most DC Comics efforts.  Trying to appeal to every possible audience, thereby satisfying none.
2013-10-29 05:29:28 PM  
2 votes:

foo monkey: It has so much potential as the glue to hold together the movies, but they're just kinda flying around.


What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie.  Where's that SHIELD?  Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this?  That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.
2013-10-29 04:47:49 PM  
2 votes:
It hasn't gone awry, it's just now starting to get on track.
2013-10-29 04:17:55 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Klippoklondike: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Oh look another Agents thread...

People love talking about Joss Whedon related things more than people like Joss Whedon related things

I like the show. I like Joss. Even I think we have too many of these.


I like the guy who plays Coulson.  He's a great straight-main, which is not easy to do.
2013-10-30 07:02:47 PM  
1 vote:

Neeek: BullBearMS: aendeuryu: Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired.

Firefly SUCKED!

What was with the hot chick engineer???

Hot chicks can't be engineers.

Kaylee wasn't hot. She was farking adorable. She made you want to hug the world.


Kaylee's forced, contrived "adorableness" was part of the reason I disliked that show. How can the audience NOT know when they're being condescended to like that?
2013-10-30 06:58:47 PM  
1 vote:

Ringshadow: This is really simple.

This show is not for the uninitiated. This show is for MCU fans. Not just Marvel comic fans, specifically, MCU. MCU is not 616, and I hope to god it never is (I recently got back into comic books and oh my god is IIM depressing).

This show is because the fandom denied Agent Coulson back to life, so they gave Clark Gregg a TV show. Which is awesome. But if you don't like MCU, you're not welcome here. The show is not for you. It's for bandwagon riders only.

Signed, knowing bandwagon owner and Coulson Crossplayer.

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/get out of my fandom, haters
//I don't come to your fandom and knock over the furniture
///tumblr roleplayer, crossplayer, will be going as Coulson to Thor 2
/if anything my complaint is that AoS is on the wrong channel and not in good company
//should be running back to back with Supernatural on CW in my opinion



1. I'm a massive MCU (Universe 199999) fan (seen every movie many times, own them all, can point out Easter eggs left and right), and a I've been Marvel zombie since the 1970s.

2. It's not YOUR fandom.

3. Playing dress-up does not make it yours, either. If anything, it weakens your legitimacy as a fan in my opinion. You dress up to draw attention to yourself; Not to draw attention to the MCU.

4. You're right about AoS belonging on CW... And that's not a good thing!  The CW is crap.

5. AoS is doing a damned good job of  tarnishing and dumbing-down the MCU. Skye is less believable than anything in the 616, and less likable than anyone in any of Marvel's universes... Even the X-Babies are less annoying than Skye and her magical cell phone.

6. The show is not because the fandom denied Coulson back to life. They've had this show in the works since before Avengers hit theaters. His apparent demise in Avengers was just one of Joss Whedon's standard tropes. He HAD to kill off someone, and he had nobody else of value to kill without damaging the ending of the movie.

7. All this said: I am leaning toward disliking this show because it's being run poorly,  and I want to like it. I want it to represent the MCU properly, but all we're getting here is a bad amalgam of Torchwood and Dollhouse/Buffy/Firefly, with bland performances, bad stories, and unlikable, cliche characters that pale in comparison to even the background characters in MCU movies. Half of the problem is that the only two people on the show who can act worth a damn are playing the two most vague characters: Coulson and May.

We did not want a show called Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to feature a ragtag band of misfits who spew snarky one-liners and solve every week's mystery/crisis by way of Skye's deus ex hacker magic and her breasts.

The show is bordering on insulting. If you like it, I can only assume you're well under 30 because it is definitely not catering to most adult fans of the show. It's getting to be about as childish as Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers (though sexed up a bit), and that's not a good thing.

 All I can really say is that 60% of the problem is obviously the casting-- Especially Skye, who is so glaringly awful that she makes Cousin Oliver from  The Brady Bunch seem like Daryl from  The Walking Dead.
2013-10-30 03:53:31 PM  
1 vote:

lordargent: killeroflight : What killed it was pushing airdates and the timeslot.

I didn't care for it.

// airdates and timeslots don't matter ... I have a tivo (and have had Tivos for over a decade).

// for me, it was the whole western and asian fusion and the juxtaposition of low tech vs high tech that lead to all sorts of oddities that grated on me.

For example.

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Farscape and Stargate were still on the air at that time as well, so firefly didn't make my cut (I didn't watch the episodes I had recorded on the tivo until several months after the show had already been canceled).


The fusion I found fascinating.  So that helped reel me in, but to each their own.

I lacked tivo so watched live, actually recorded Farscape and Invisible Man on VHS when I could not watch them live.  I do not miss VHS, but I do miss good series on SciFi.
2013-10-30 03:01:36 PM  
1 vote:
Sheild isn't great but it's growing on me. The two biggest superficial complaints here are stupid.

1) Skye is too pretty/normal.
Shut the hell up. A) it's TV. B) her parent's disappearance involved Sheild meaning either THEY had powers or SHE had powers - and there's already been a reference to her being 'weird good' with computers. Is it THAT big a stretch to imagine she's the Tony Stark of hackers? He's a genius playboy philanthropist but she's too pretty? C) the living in a van thing is hinted at as a way to as being related to both a cover for getting into sheild and a thing she did as a young woman with a boy. People adjust their lives as a teen/early 20's person all the time based on relationships.

2) SHEILD isn't secret! They have Decals!!! No shiat. Iron Man, Thor and the Hulk aren't exactly secrets either after aliens attacked NYC. That's kind if the whole premise of the show.


Also, I enjoy Arrow, but let's be honest. The main character can't really act, and the dialogue is pretty terrible everytime he waxes philosophic or comic heroey. Which is like half the show.
2013-10-30 10:47:49 AM  
1 vote:
I like the show but it needs some super hero and/or super villain crossovers... and not heroes or villains that they make up for the show. They need to have known characters from the comics.
2013-10-30 09:33:55 AM  
1 vote:

mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.


I don't have anything to add, I just love this post.

/carry on
2013-10-30 09:06:21 AM  
1 vote:

hammer85: SeesWhatYouDidThere: SeesWhatYouDidThere: Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.

N.O  T.H.I.S  I.S  W.H.Y  I  W.A.T.C.H

[img.fark.net image 130x150]

/image didn't attach the first time...

And you're why TV shows suck these days.


I agree with him, and I don't watch any other TV shows.
2013-10-30 07:14:01 AM  
1 vote:

BullBearMS: aendeuryu: Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired.

Firefly SUCKED!

What was with the hot chick engineer???

Hot chicks can't be engineers.


Kaylee wasn't hot. She was farking adorable. She made you want to hug the world.
2013-10-30 12:27:52 AM  
1 vote:

likefunbutnot: ambercat:  generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her.

Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.


Yeah, but nothing about her character is written that way. Her personality is not like that at all. That would be like Sophie from Leverage- minus the computer skills. She's a grifter and gets information through charm and social manipulation. I don't think anyone would feel a Sophie-type character with hacking skills is not believable, what's not believable is that someone with Skye's character traits, backstory and dialog presents herself like this and dresses like this. It doesn't make any sense.
2013-10-30 12:25:08 AM  
1 vote:

ambercat: mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.

The thing that bothers me about Skye is not that she is naturally attractive, it's that she's not shown as presenting herself in a shower and brush her hair to get ready kind of way- she plucks her eyebrows and puts on makeup and generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her. Girls aren't born knowing how to put themselves together that way, they learn, they don't do it accidentally, they have to learn how to do that and then do it on purpose.

Plus, even if we believe that Skye likes fashion and makeup and making herself look nice, does anyone believe that a uber-hacker social weirdo anarchist would choose that as the way to present themselves? I could see a hacker or anarchist that's into fashion, but I see them picking non-mainstream ways of presenting themselves, more like Claudia from Warehouse 13. Skye seems entirely dressed and presented to please the male gaze, and in the most bland and mainstream way possible. She looks like a really hot, but generically hot chick. No aspect of her supposed personality is expressed to me through her fashion or styling choices.

Finally, with her looking like that, it does seem completely unlikely that guys weren't hitting on her or trying to get to know her or socially engage with her or that girls were treating her like a weirdo. She does not look or act like a nerd. Nothing about her comes across the way it is supposed to, even though they have her hacking on her phone all the time. And most fatally, nothing about her is interesting. She is not a compelling character, but the show acts like everyone is going to be in love with her and want to see her standing around doing things on her phone 24/7.


Well said. The only part of me that is intrigued by her is the most simplistic part of my libido and that part is an idiot.

She is both boring and unrealistic. Sadly there are much more interesting female characters in my wife's silly CW shows.

This show makes me miss Alphas.
2013-10-29 11:59:51 PM  
1 vote:

likefunbutnot: Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.


Well yeah, but the show has established her as the sort of hacker who can break into SHIELD with a laptop, not the sort of hacker who charms their way in.

And yeah, I have to agree with  ambercat - the problem isn't that she's hot, it's that she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lived in a van and was raised in an orphanage... yet she presents herself with perfect hair/makeup/clothes and the personality of a popular upper-middle-class sorority sister.

It's like if a show had an investment banker who looked and acted like a hobo. It's not impossible, but it is the sort of thing that they need to acknowledge in-show as odd.
2013-10-29 11:35:34 PM  
1 vote:
ambercat:  generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her.

Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.
2013-10-29 11:32:54 PM  
1 vote:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

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Well it would have supposedly been top secret before new york, which is more of what i meant.  Which is way after she was born.
There's just no plausible reasoning for Skye to have become super master hacker because she wanted to infiltrate SHIELD to save her parents in the ~year since SHIELD actually became a thing.  Not to mention there's no chance unless shes got one of those technogeek superpowers to be that good in such a short period of time.
2013-10-29 11:29:01 PM  
1 vote:

Gunther: To hell with that noise.if a show can't give me a reason to watch it in the first 5 hours I'm not going to give it any more of my time. Who the hell has enough free time they can waste 13 hours of it on a bad show they're hoping eventually gets good?


That was/is 100% exactly what I thought about Breaking Bad, for which the entire internet collectively cock-slobbered on a weekly basis, especially during the last two years of its run. I slogged through three seasons and never found a reason to watch, but other people seem to like it for some reason.

Parks and Recreation, which is probably the best situation comedy on TV right now, had a first season that bordered on unwatchable.
EVERY Star Trek TV show has needed at least a couple seasons to find a decent groove.

I think Agents of Shield would do well to kill a few members of the current cast and switch to something less monster of the week and move to more multi-episode story arcs. Basically as far as I'm concerned the whole cast except Clark Gregg is entirely disposable; there was probably more real character development in the first half of the first episode of Firefly than in all of Agents of Shield so far.
2013-10-29 11:22:18 PM  
1 vote:
Where's this show?
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2013-10-29 11:21:20 PM  
1 vote:

mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.


The thing that bothers me about Skye is not that she is naturally attractive, it's that she's not shown as presenting herself in a shower and brush her hair to get ready kind of way- she plucks her eyebrows and puts on makeup and generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her. Girls aren't born knowing how to put themselves together that way, they learn, they don't do it accidentally, they have to learn how to do that and then do it on purpose.

Plus, even if we believe that Skye likes fashion and makeup and making herself look nice, does anyone believe that a uber-hacker social weirdo anarchist would choose that as the way to present themselves? I could see a hacker or anarchist that's into fashion, but I see them picking non-mainstream ways of presenting themselves, more like Claudia from Warehouse 13. Skye seems entirely dressed and presented to please the male gaze, and in the most bland and mainstream way possible. She looks like a really hot, but generically hot chick. No aspect of her supposed personality is expressed to me through her fashion or styling choices.

Finally, with her looking like that, it does seem completely unlikely that guys weren't hitting on her or trying to get to know her or socially engage with her or that girls were treating her like a weirdo. She does not look or act like a nerd. Nothing about her comes across the way it is supposed to, even though they have her hacking on her phone all the time. And most fatally, nothing about her is interesting. She is not a compelling character, but the show acts like everyone is going to be in love with her and want to see her standing around doing things on her phone 24/7.
2013-10-29 09:45:53 PM  
1 vote:
Worth it for Skye in underwear. Dem hips
2013-10-29 09:13:56 PM  
1 vote:

Five Tails of Fury: PanicMan: Well I like it. So there.

Agreed. It's building slowly, and I think it will get through the growing pains to be a steadily strong show going forward. This is the first TV series that I've gone out of my way to watch in a very long time; I'm willing to give it a few more episodes to mature.


Same here.  I just don't ever watch network TV.  I'm not the person they're trying to reach.  But I am watching SHIELD.

Esroc: Five episodes in and the only time I cracked a smile was Fury's cameo. That tells me all I need to know.


Then sir you have no soul.  I about fell off the couch laughing when they called the van "Short Bus", and Colson deadpans "I name things from now on".
2013-10-29 09:09:31 PM  
1 vote:
Enough with the freaking love interests plots. Lazy studios must have insisted that there be love interests for the demographics. What next? puppies?
2013-10-29 08:50:40 PM  
1 vote:

skyotter: eddievercetti: Again, replace Skye and Roll Fizzlebeef with a C or B grade superhero.

yeah!  like Monica Rambeau.  or Aaron Stack.  or Tabby Smith.  or ...


I think they'll have to save that for the next wave of Marvel shows.
2013-10-29 08:04:46 PM  
1 vote:
The only annoying part of the Avengers was the crap dialogue.  That didn't even matter since the overseas market at up the visuals.  I like Whedon well enough, but I kind of think just about anyone could have made it successful so long as RDJ had a big role and Hulk was good enough actor.  No one was going to it just because it was a Whedon film.
2013-10-29 07:06:43 PM  
1 vote:
In two years when it is cancelled, the Farkers will biatch about the network not giving the show a chance. The fact that the show is a bore will not compute to them.
2013-10-29 07:06:29 PM  
1 vote:
Did not read article or thread but this 48 year old white guy with low standards is enjoying the show.
2013-10-29 06:41:15 PM  
1 vote:

Thorak: Explained in the most recent episode; she bought fully into the whole lack of materialism thing. As for why she was clean and looked good; she wasn't homeless and POOR. She's a superhacker. She probably just hacks a bank if she needs cash for something.


I'm not saying that a superhacker who reports on conspiracies, lives in a van and is into the whole lack of materialism thing couldn't also look like a Cover Girl model, just that a Norse God who is a being from another dimension who fights aliens in New York is a more believable character than she is.  The same would hold true if instead of a pretty girl she was a handsome boy.

Not that computer superhackers can't be good looking.  But the obsessive ones who abstain from material goods and live in a van aren't probably also healthy eaters who work out.
2013-10-29 06:40:23 PM  
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Thorak: rugman11: What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie. Where's that SHIELD? Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this? That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.

They ARE the B-Team. That was spelled out early on. They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either someone he's worked with extensively (Ming-Na), or a total rookie he can mould.

Even their plane isn't a big investment, for a group that has a hovercarrier.

If we were dealing with the full might of SHIELD in every episode, it would get ridiculous, and the effects budget would be through the roof. This way, they get to tell a much more human-level story, and keep the budget within reason.

The idea, almost certainly, is that the Coulson B-Team will meld together and become one of SHIELD's crack squads. But we've got to get through those early days, first. It's still the first season, which will mostly be about that coming together. Next season, things will really start to tick along, most likely.


That causes a problem with stakes, though, because we know that if they ever screw something up too badly, the cavalry will sweep in to save the day.

Torchwood had the same problem in its early seasons.  You knew things weren't going to go too terribly badly because if the earth were ever truly in danger The Doctor would be there to set things right.  They got around that problem by killing off their characters...a lot.  Maybe that's what SHIELD needs to do.  Or at least they need to do something to shake up the status quo.

The show is supposed to be about the regular people we don't see in the Marvel movies.  Let's see what happens when bad stuff goes down and The Avengers aren't there to save the day.
2013-10-29 06:39:15 PM  
1 vote:

PanicMan: Well I like it. So there.


Agreed. It's building slowly, and I think it will get through the growing pains to be a steadily strong show going forward. This is the first TV series that I've gone out of my way to watch in a very long time; I'm willing to give it a few more episodes to mature.
2013-10-29 06:22:53 PM  
1 vote:

KhamanV: Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.

I'm with you.  More Coulson and May, less cheap Agent Cary Elwes and Generic Flighty Whedon Gurrl.  I recognize they're shooting for a younger demographic, but even the younger demographic would prefer more Coulson.  He's fun.


I wouldn't mind if they killed agent Bond rip-off guy and Fitz/Simmons. He has all the acting chops of a 2x4 and those two are just....annoying. They're like little chipmunks chattering away. Then turn hacker girl into an agent of Hydra or something. Then she can be slightly interesting and not around all the time.
2013-10-29 06:13:48 PM  
1 vote:
The lab wonks Fitz and Simmons should have been combined into one character named Fitzsimmons. They are the same character, and only seem to be divided into two halves so that they can spout techno-babble exposition at each other for the benefit of the audience.
2013-10-29 06:00:37 PM  
1 vote:
Watched two episodes

Let it stack up on the tivo

// don't think it's going to survive, so if it gets canned I can delete the recorded shows with no remorse.

// too many other shows to watch anyway
2013-10-29 05:42:57 PM  
1 vote:
The show is called agents of shield and while there is some continuity between the movies. The main reason is Coulson, his expertise is making great agents. We know something is off and the bigger characters like fury and the character robin plays knows too. It seems this is an experiment for Coulson and he's being closely watched.The big bad seems to be this centipede project. I like where it is and I wish people had better attention spans and patience. All shows should have a minimum of 13 episodes before a cancellation is allowed as most shows take time to grow./At the very least it should be noted it is the number 1 show when DVR recordings ate factored in
2013-10-29 05:40:19 PM  
1 vote:
This show has the same problem that a lot of shows based on big, heroic characters have - it's stuff that seems like it would be cool to know about, but eventually you get bored with.  Torchwood is another example.  Sure, Capt. Jack was awesome, but after a few episodes you start to go, "gee, I'd rather see the Doctor and how he'd solve all this".  The same applies here. Oh, it's Coulson...ok...so, um, how's Tony holding up after the whole blowing up all his suits thing?  Or is Steve having trouble adjusting to cell phones and twitter?  Because I don't really care about SHIELD that much, I care about the heroes they monitor and support.

And they COULD have made it a street level superhero show, which would have worked.  Have Luke Cage as the star, with Misty Knight and Shang-Chi and heck, throw in Jessica Jones, too.  Make the show about them as SHIELD's "B-Team" of lower power Avengers, essentially.  Then people might like it, and might care about it.  But as it is, it's like...this is the show about the boring folks in the background of the helicarrier scenes.

And while it might be cool to see something about them, you really don't want a whole series about them.
2013-10-29 05:34:16 PM  
1 vote:
I said on a previous thread that while I think the show is entertaining enough, I do think it still feels dissconected from the rest of the Marvel Film Universe.

I understand if they want to show the impact of the existence of the Avengers and all that to the everyday people, but with the exception of Coulson and Fury's cameo, I still don't have the feeling that this and the Avengers are part of the same world.

I don't dislike the show, but I do think that the Winter Soldier trailer was a better SHIELD show on it's own than Agents of SHIELD.

/Still think the show is fun to watch.
2013-10-29 05:28:38 PM  
1 vote:
My son was so excited by the prospect of this show that we had to be sure we taped it just in case, now it is just "I would rather watch something on youtube" territory because he just doesn't care about the episodes.  He may be a bit young for their demographic but his disinterest makes the rest of us who are in their key age groups say we won't watch this as we just don't care either.
2013-10-29 05:02:15 PM  
1 vote:

Rev. Skarekroe: It hasn't gone awry, it's just now starting to get on track.


Ding ding.
2013-10-29 04:13:23 PM  
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Klippoklondike: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Oh look another Agents thread...

People love talking about Joss Whedon related things more than people like Joss Whedon related things


I like the show. I like Joss. Even I think we have too many of these.
2013-10-29 03:53:07 PM  
1 vote:
Oh look another Agents thread...
 
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