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(HitFix)   How Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has gone A.W.R.Y   (hitfix.com) divider line 188
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2013-10-29 09:59:01 PM
I saw one episode a while back. It seemed like a generic USA Network action show. Something like Renegade or Walker Texas Ranger quality. It definitely doesn't feel like the same universe as the Marvel movies.
 
2013-10-29 10:13:50 PM
Quit after 2 episodes.  Sounds like the same show's just kept going on.
 
2013-10-29 10:17:37 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: Nicholas D. Wolfwood:   You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.

Those were on a smaller network full of SciFi geeks.


True.  Other differences that occur to me - 1) Stargate was effectively creating its universe as it went.  'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D' is constrained to fit into established Marvel continuity without rocking the boat.

2) SHIELD is on a major broadcast network - ABC, as opposed to Showtime/SyFy, etc.  Different standards, different group of censors, etc.

3) ABC is owned by Disney.  'Nuff said.

I agree that SHIELD is not what it ought to be, and some of his criticisms are worthy of discussion.  For my part, I would say it's too - formulaic.  The stories seem like, essentially, 'Heroes' or 'Alphas' with a new coat of paint.  Yes, you've got to fit into the Marvel continuity - but get creative with it, give us some imagination.
 
2013-10-29 10:20:01 PM
I tried to watch an episode but the show really didn't interest me much. Maybe I can give it another chance, but the episode kind of bored me.

I love Joss Whedon and really enjoyed Buffy, Angel, and Firefly. This show seems like it will end up just trying too hard to cash in on the Marvel name.
 
2013-10-29 10:46:14 PM

Mad_Radhu: skyotter: eddievercetti: Again, replace Skye and Roll Fizzlebeef with a C or B grade superhero.

yeah!  like Monica Rambeau.  or Aaron Stack.  or Tabby Smith.  or ...

I think they'll have to save that for the next wave of Marvel shows.


I can see that, especially with Whedon's production of Much Ado About Nothing.  So, like Shakespeare, but with lots more punching.
 
2013-10-29 10:47:21 PM
Show needs superheroes/villains. Not new ones created for the show, it needs classic characters. I want to like it, but there are better cop shows on tv already, and better superhero shows on tv already. Arrow is surprisingly good.
 
2013-10-29 10:47:35 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: 3) ABC is owned by Disney.  'Nuff said.


So is Marvel Comics... in case you weren't in on the email thread.
 
2013-10-29 10:53:20 PM

terminalx: I wish people had better attention spans and patience. All shows should have a minimum of 13 episodes before a cancellation is allowed as most shows take time to grow.


To hell with that noise.if a show can't give me a reason to watch it in the first 5 hours I'm not going to give it any more of my time. Who the hell has enough free time they can waste 13 hours of it on a bad show they're hoping eventually gets good?


Dingleberry Dickwad: I don't think Arrow started out as weak as AoS did. I think it helped that they started right away with a concept that was meant to go a full season (the list) and put it in a format that could be done on a per episode basis. I also like the bit by bit reveal of what happened on the island. That was a very smart move by the writers since they don't have to go back and retcon stuff they showed in the first few episodes as flashbacks, they can just add to the flashbacks. The other thing that helped Arrow is that the characters seemed to start with actual personalities that are being built upon rather than starting with a cardboard cutout that they try to paint a personality on as they go the way AoS seems to be doing.


Yeah, my advice to the people making AoS would be just watch Arrow and take copious notes.
 
2013-10-29 10:53:33 PM

PanicMan: Five Tails of Fury: PanicMan: Well I like it. So there.

Agreed. It's building slowly, and I think it will get through the growing pains to be a steadily strong show going forward. This is the first TV series that I've gone out of my way to watch in a very long time; I'm willing to give it a few more episodes to mature.

Same here.  I just don't ever watch network TV.  I'm not the person they're trying to reach.  But I am watching SHIELD.

Esroc: Five episodes in and the only time I cracked a smile was Fury's cameo. That tells me all I need to know.

Then sir you have no soul.  I about fell off the couch laughing when they called the van "Short Bus", and Colson deadpans "I name things from now on".


Nah, funniest moment so far:  Fait... err... Skye hits the clip release instead of the safety, looks up... "Bang?"
 
2013-10-29 10:55:23 PM
Only the most hopelessly naive geeks didn't know this show was gonna suck ass.
 
2013-10-29 11:07:04 PM

420Gabriel: Show needs superheroes/villains. Not new ones created for the show, it needs classic characters. I want to like it, but there are better cop shows on tv already, and better superhero shows on tv already. Arrow is surprisingly good.


Five episodes, two supervillains (including one of the Avengers stronger foes), one superpowered antihero, and one sinister organization creating supervillains.
 
2013-10-29 11:21:20 PM

mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.


The thing that bothers me about Skye is not that she is naturally attractive, it's that she's not shown as presenting herself in a shower and brush her hair to get ready kind of way- she plucks her eyebrows and puts on makeup and generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her. Girls aren't born knowing how to put themselves together that way, they learn, they don't do it accidentally, they have to learn how to do that and then do it on purpose.

Plus, even if we believe that Skye likes fashion and makeup and making herself look nice, does anyone believe that a uber-hacker social weirdo anarchist would choose that as the way to present themselves? I could see a hacker or anarchist that's into fashion, but I see them picking non-mainstream ways of presenting themselves, more like Claudia from Warehouse 13. Skye seems entirely dressed and presented to please the male gaze, and in the most bland and mainstream way possible. She looks like a really hot, but generically hot chick. No aspect of her supposed personality is expressed to me through her fashion or styling choices.

Finally, with her looking like that, it does seem completely unlikely that guys weren't hitting on her or trying to get to know her or socially engage with her or that girls were treating her like a weirdo. She does not look or act like a nerd. Nothing about her comes across the way it is supposed to, even though they have her hacking on her phone all the time. And most fatally, nothing about her is interesting. She is not a compelling character, but the show acts like everyone is going to be in love with her and want to see her standing around doing things on her phone 24/7.
 
2013-10-29 11:22:18 PM
Where's this show?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-29 11:24:56 PM
hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-29 11:29:01 PM

Gunther: To hell with that noise.if a show can't give me a reason to watch it in the first 5 hours I'm not going to give it any more of my time. Who the hell has enough free time they can waste 13 hours of it on a bad show they're hoping eventually gets good?


That was/is 100% exactly what I thought about Breaking Bad, for which the entire internet collectively cock-slobbered on a weekly basis, especially during the last two years of its run. I slogged through three seasons and never found a reason to watch, but other people seem to like it for some reason.

Parks and Recreation, which is probably the best situation comedy on TV right now, had a first season that bordered on unwatchable.
EVERY Star Trek TV show has needed at least a couple seasons to find a decent groove.

I think Agents of Shield would do well to kill a few members of the current cast and switch to something less monster of the week and move to more multi-episode story arcs. Basically as far as I'm concerned the whole cast except Clark Gregg is entirely disposable; there was probably more real character development in the first half of the first episode of Firefly than in all of Agents of Shield so far.
 
2013-10-29 11:32:54 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

[i.imgur.com image 400x397]


Well it would have supposedly been top secret before new york, which is more of what i meant.  Which is way after she was born.
There's just no plausible reasoning for Skye to have become super master hacker because she wanted to infiltrate SHIELD to save her parents in the ~year since SHIELD actually became a thing.  Not to mention there's no chance unless shes got one of those technogeek superpowers to be that good in such a short period of time.
 
2013-10-29 11:35:26 PM

Mentat: 420Gabriel: Show needs superheroes/villains. Not new ones created for the show, it needs classic characters. I want to like it, but there are better cop shows on tv already, and better superhero shows on tv already. Arrow is surprisingly good.

Five episodes, two supervillains (including one of the Avengers stronger foes), one superpowered antihero, and one sinister organization creating supervillains.


Indeed. As TFA points out, the show's problems have far more to do with bland characters, forgettable scripts and a general lack of urgency and conflict. It's like a big bowl of unsweetened oatmeal.
 
2013-10-29 11:35:34 PM
ambercat:  generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her.

Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.
 
2013-10-29 11:42:31 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

[i.imgur.com image 400x397]


They're basically the CIA/NSA for superpowered crap:  People know they exist, that's no secret, they just don't know exactly what the agency's job entails.
 
2013-10-29 11:44:03 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.


Yeah. Driving around in unmarked blacked-out black SUVs and flashing S.H.I.E.L.D. badges on-site is one thing. Driving around with "LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE!" seems kinda weird. Might as well drive around with sirens blaring, sirens that scream that.
 
2013-10-29 11:59:51 PM

likefunbutnot: Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.


Well yeah, but the show has established her as the sort of hacker who can break into SHIELD with a laptop, not the sort of hacker who charms their way in.

And yeah, I have to agree with  ambercat - the problem isn't that she's hot, it's that she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lived in a van and was raised in an orphanage... yet she presents herself with perfect hair/makeup/clothes and the personality of a popular upper-middle-class sorority sister.

It's like if a show had an investment banker who looked and acted like a hobo. It's not impossible, but it is the sort of thing that they need to acknowledge in-show as odd.
 
2013-10-30 12:00:39 AM

Trik: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.

this


Hathor anyone?

Seriously though, what we have right now is characters that don't quite function as a whole.  (Kill Fitz or give Fitz and Simmons separate labs....I like Simmons, I think with what little she's had to work with she could actually be a wonderful lovable biochemist puppy, the potential is there, but she needs to be separated from Fitz.  Fitz honestly.........the scottish engineer is done.  There is Scotty, and there are lovable homages to Scotty, and we're past the time you're allowed to be one.)

I feel right now like we're almost seeing flanderized versions of these characters, Coulson excluded.  I do hope at some point the writers stop beating us over the head with plot points.  Honestly don't care about little orphan skye-ey, I mean I hope that the plot there resolves itself in a fun way, but it seems so disconnected from........well anything.

Re Coulson: Tahiti..........I feel like they would've been best served to make a note in the pilot, and then maybe one passing reference in like episode 6.......keep it on the back burner if its not something that's going to be resolved any time soon.......instead it appears in every episode in some way, and not a subtle way, but in some incredibly obvious way.

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy it, I'm just hoping like many a sci fi show before, it gets its legs.

(Anyone watch encounter to farpoint recently? holy hell.........)
 
2013-10-30 12:04:43 AM
I like Whedon's stuff, but what I've seen of this show has been lackluster.
 
2013-10-30 12:05:27 AM
I kind of like the show. When watching it, I feel as if I've been transported to a magical place.
 
2013-10-30 12:08:23 AM

Gunther: likefunbutnot: Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.

Well yeah, but the show has established her as the sort of hacker who can break into SHIELD with a laptop, not the sort of hacker who charms their way in.

And yeah, I have to agree with  ambercat - the problem isn't that she's hot, it's that she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lived in a van and was raised in an orphanage... yet she presents herself with perfect hair/makeup/clothes and the personality of a popular upper-middle-class sorority sister.

It's like if a show had an investment banker who looked and acted like a hobo. It's not impossible, but it is the sort of thing that they need to acknowledge in-show as odd.


Maybe that's her superpower: no need to take a shower or style her hair.

Check her nails after a particularly rough mission. If they're not chipped, she's a super.
 
2013-10-30 12:14:06 AM

Moopy Mac: Ming-Na Wen is 50 in three weeks. That doesn't seem right (or fair).


doanie.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-30 12:17:09 AM
Wah, wah, wah, I wanted an Avengers movie every week, wah, wah, wah.

Stop watching then, bye.
 
2013-10-30 12:25:08 AM

ambercat: mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.

The thing that bothers me about Skye is not that she is naturally attractive, it's that she's not shown as presenting herself in a shower and brush her hair to get ready kind of way- she plucks her eyebrows and puts on makeup and generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her. Girls aren't born knowing how to put themselves together that way, they learn, they don't do it accidentally, they have to learn how to do that and then do it on purpose.

Plus, even if we believe that Skye likes fashion and makeup and making herself look nice, does anyone believe that a uber-hacker social weirdo anarchist would choose that as the way to present themselves? I could see a hacker or anarchist that's into fashion, but I see them picking non-mainstream ways of presenting themselves, more like Claudia from Warehouse 13. Skye seems entirely dressed and presented to please the male gaze, and in the most bland and mainstream way possible. She looks like a really hot, but generically hot chick. No aspect of her supposed personality is expressed to me through her fashion or styling choices.

Finally, with her looking like that, it does seem completely unlikely that guys weren't hitting on her or trying to get to know her or socially engage with her or that girls were treating her like a weirdo. She does not look or act like a nerd. Nothing about her comes across the way it is supposed to, even though they have her hacking on her phone all the time. And most fatally, nothing about her is interesting. She is not a compelling character, but the show acts like everyone is going to be in love with her and want to see her standing around doing things on her phone 24/7.


Well said. The only part of me that is intrigued by her is the most simplistic part of my libido and that part is an idiot.

She is both boring and unrealistic. Sadly there are much more interesting female characters in my wife's silly CW shows.

This show makes me miss Alphas.
 
2013-10-30 12:27:22 AM
I'm hoping it gets a second season. I'd love to see what kind of desperate batsh*t craziness the producers start cramming in, hoping to raise viewership.

/"Next up on Disney's ABC, Disney's Agents of SHIELD go back in time to team up with Disney's Captain Jack Sparrow and Disney's R2D2 and C3PO, and try to prevent Disney's Lone Ranger from ever being greenlit. Stay tuned after the credits for full frontal nudity from one of the cast. Will it finally be Skye this time, or will Coulson go for a three-week streak?"
 
2013-10-30 12:27:52 AM

likefunbutnot: ambercat:  generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her.

Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.


Yeah, but nothing about her character is written that way. Her personality is not like that at all. That would be like Sophie from Leverage- minus the computer skills. She's a grifter and gets information through charm and social manipulation. I don't think anyone would feel a Sophie-type character with hacking skills is not believable, what's not believable is that someone with Skye's character traits, backstory and dialog presents herself like this and dresses like this. It doesn't make any sense.
 
2013-10-30 12:31:50 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

[i.imgur.com image 400x397]


When your agency fires a nuke at New York City from a floating aircraft carrier in order to stop an alien invasion that your superhero team is battling to stop, your secret is pretty much out at that point.  In the new Captain America trailer, they have a giant building overlooking the Washington Monument.  SHIELD isn't a secret in this world.
 
2013-10-30 12:34:08 AM

nocturnal001: This show makes me miss Alphas.


Watching the Tomorrow People reboot made me miss Alphas. The second season was even better than the first one, imo. I'm sad it got canceled. Speaking of interesting characters, Gary was just amazing.
 
2013-10-30 12:36:10 AM

EdgeRunner: I'm hoping it gets a second season. I'd love to see what kind of desperate batsh*t craziness the producers start cramming in, hoping to raise viewership.

/"Next up on Disney's ABC, Disney's Agents of SHIELD go back in time to team up with Disney's Captain Jack Sparrow and Disney's R2D2 and C3PO, and try to prevent Disney's Lone Ranger from ever being greenlit. Stay tuned after the credits for full frontal nudity from one of the cast. Will it finally be Skye this time, or will Coulson go for a three-week streak?"


You know, I read that Once Upon a Time in Wonderland actually referenced the Sarlacc in last week's episode, so that ISN'T that much of a stretch.
 
2013-10-30 12:46:43 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: drjekel_mrhyde: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.

Those were on a smaller network full of SciFi geeks.

Actually they were on Showtime at first.


For five seasons, at that. From teh wiki:

According to the SG-1 producers, a broadcast network would have cancelled SG-1 after a few episodes, but Showtime put no pressure on the show to "deliver the meteoric ratings the way network shows do"
 
2013-10-30 12:48:53 AM

ambercat: nocturnal001: This show makes me miss Alphas.

Watching the Tomorrow People reboot made me miss Alphas. The second season was even better than the first one, imo. I'm sad it got canceled. Speaking of interesting characters, Gary was just amazing.


Gary was awesome for sure.

"We ask the questions here"

Tomorrow people might be promising.
 
2013-10-30 12:50:27 AM

Mentat: SHIELD isn't a secret in this world.


I think the problem is that SHIELD is poorly defined. Marvel can't decide if they're a superhero CIA or some shadow organization.
 
2013-10-30 01:08:24 AM

Kaybeck: Mentat: SHIELD isn't a secret in this world.

I think the problem is that SHIELD is poorly defined. Marvel can't decide if they're a superhero CIA or some shadow organization.


I think it's pretty clear at this point.  In Iron Man, SHIELD was still fairly new.  By Avengers, they had significant infrastructure in place and had built up an enemies list.  By AoS, the existence of SHIELD is common knowledge.  They don't exactly advertise everything that they do, but when you have a giant headquarters overlooking the Washington Monument, you're out in the open.
 
2013-10-30 01:16:07 AM
Less than a week since the last 'SHIELD sucks' thread.
 
2013-10-30 01:18:42 AM

Mentat: In Iron Man, SHIELD was still fairly new.


Well, not exactly.  Founded after WWII, and Peggy Carter was the first to head SHIELD. But certainly lower profile, if Tony and Pepper didn't know their name.
 
2013-10-30 01:26:56 AM
As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do. For that matter look at how many shows that are now well known success stories lasting many seasons (or ran a record number of seasons).

Star Trek NG, Star Trek DS9, Star Trek Voyager, Stargate SG-1 (also ran 10 seasons--longest running american sci-fi show evar!), Stargate Atlantis, Buffy the vampire Slayer, Angel, Farscape, Lost, Eureka, X-files,
Being Human, warehouse 13........

Once there are all 26 episodes aired, and its beengiven a real season to get going...then well see. They already set up one of the Marvel universes most powerful villains, in the comics he took on all the avengers (Iron man, Thor, ant man, wasp, hulk, captain America, and hawkeye)all at once while levitating the entire island of Manhattan at the same time. His name? Dr. Franklin Hall, aka Graviton. [marvel Universe Wiki has his info and story:  http://marvel.com/universe/Graviton ]
 
2013-10-30 01:32:55 AM

Alphax: Mentat: In Iron Man, SHIELD was still fairly new.

Well, not exactly.  Founded after WWII, and Peggy Carter was the first to head SHIELD. But certainly lower profile, if Tony and Pepper didn't know their name.


True, I forgot about that.  We didn't really know any of that when Iron Man came out though, so I think they kind of retconned it.  Anyway, by this point they're out in the open.
 
2013-10-30 01:51:22 AM

nocturnal001: ambercat: nocturnal001: This show makes me miss Alphas.

Watching the Tomorrow People reboot made me miss Alphas. The second season was even better than the first one, imo. I'm sad it got canceled. Speaking of interesting characters, Gary was just amazing.

Gary was awesome for sure.

"We ask the questions here"

Tomorrow people might be promising.


My problem with the Tomorrow People is that it's not consistent at all with their powers.  They are completely incapable of killing, but the chick straight up murdered the dude.

Time freeze is pretty much a deus ex machina that hopefully won't be used too much as well, though the uncle dude seems like he went from super smart spy guy to straight up brain damaged that he trusts the main guy so much.

That said, the acting isn't  completely awful, and the teleport fight scenes are fun to watch.
 
2013-10-30 02:10:07 AM

Silvyrbug: As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do.


Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired. That was an amazingly well-put-together show. Its cancellation was a crime against culture.

Honestly, I don't think Whedon ever recovered from it. Both Dollhouse and SHIELD have the bland aroma of compromise. It's as if he lacked the enthusiasm to commit to the premise, worried that he'll get his heart broken, assuming his heart is even in it in the first place.
 
2013-10-30 03:09:02 AM
I still don't get how anyone in their right mind would expect to see this show last a full season.
 
2013-10-30 03:11:11 AM
This is really simple.

This show is not for the uninitiated. This show is for MCU fans. Not just Marvel comic fans, specifically, MCU. MCU is not 616, and I hope to god it never is (I recently got back into comic books and oh my god is IIM depressing).

This show is because the fandom denied Agent Coulson back to life, so they gave Clark Gregg a TV show. Which is awesome. But if you don't like MCU, you're not welcome here. The show is not for you. It's for bandwagon riders only.

Signed, knowing bandwagon owner and Coulson Crossplayer.

25.media.tumblr.com

/get out of my fandom, haters
//I don't come to your fandom and knock over the furniture
///tumblr roleplayer, crossplayer, will be going as Coulson to Thor 2
/if anything my complaint is that AoS is on the wrong channel and not in good company
//should be running back to back with Supernatural on CW in my opinion
 
2013-10-30 04:02:05 AM

aendeuryu: Silvyrbug: As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do.

Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired. That was an amazingly well-put-together show. Its cancellation was a crime against culture.

Honestly, I don't think Whedon ever recovered from it. Both Dollhouse and SHIELD have the bland aroma of compromise. It's as if he lacked the enthusiasm to commit to the premise, worried that he'll get his heart broken, assuming his heart is even in it in the first place.


Well, Firefly was originally aired out of order though, so it DID take audiences a while to figure out wtf was happening, but for once that wasn't Whedon's fault. That's what the true crime was. Sometimes it just amazes me what blatantly stupid scheduling decisions people make.
 
2013-10-30 06:00:17 AM

aendeuryu: Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired.


Firefly SUCKED!

What was with the hot chick engineer???

Hot chicks can't be engineers.
 
2013-10-30 07:14:01 AM

BullBearMS: aendeuryu: Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired.

Firefly SUCKED!

What was with the hot chick engineer???

Hot chicks can't be engineers.


Kaylee wasn't hot. She was farking adorable. She made you want to hug the world.
 
2013-10-30 08:11:23 AM
I think of the show as a lot like it's hottest star, Lola.

www.esquire.com

Classically nuanced, well-balanced, expertly-crafted and certainly aesthetically pleasing but then they go and do something stupid like this....

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-10-30 08:33:52 AM

Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.


N.O  T.H.I.S  I.S  W.H.Y  I  W.A.T.C.H
 
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