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(HitFix)   How Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has gone A.W.R.Y   (hitfix.com) divider line 188
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2013-10-29 03:53:07 PM  
Oh look another Agents thread...
 
2013-10-29 04:07:45 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Oh look another Agents thread...


People love talking about Joss Whedon related things more than people like Joss Whedon related things
 
2013-10-29 04:08:08 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Oh look another Agents thread...


W.I.T.H. A.N.O.T.H.E.R W.I.T.T.Y A.N.D C.L.E.V.E.R H.E.A.D.L.I.N.E = Why Is This Having Another Non Outstanding Television Herpderp Extreme Whedon International TV Tycoon YAWN Again Now Dumb Cancellation Even Very Excellent Regarding Hell And Dammit Lemme In Now Eisner)
 
2013-10-29 04:13:23 PM  

Klippoklondike: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Oh look another Agents thread...

People love talking about Joss Whedon related things more than people like Joss Whedon related things


I like the show. I like Joss. Even I think we have too many of these.
 
2013-10-29 04:17:17 PM  
I think the show is just fine. It'd be better if they brought in some Ben E.D.L.U.N.D.
 
2013-10-29 04:17:55 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Klippoklondike: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Oh look another Agents thread...

People love talking about Joss Whedon related things more than people like Joss Whedon related things

I like the show. I like Joss. Even I think we have too many of these.


I like the guy who plays Coulson.  He's a great straight-main, which is not easy to do.
 
2013-10-29 04:47:49 PM  
It hasn't gone awry, it's just now starting to get on track.
 
2013-10-29 04:58:23 PM  
Meh, I'm recording it. Haven't been impressed, but the latest episode is possibly the best. Still tho- all they do is fly around in that stupid airplane.
 
2013-10-29 05:01:25 PM  
I like the show, and I like the characters.  The Skye/Rising Tide storyline seems a little contrived, but otherwise it's everything I'd want from a comic-universe show.

If people are biatching about how it's not carrying other shows, MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THEIR FARKING AWFUL SHOWS.  Seriously, who at ABC looked at Goldbergs and thought, "Yes, That 80s Show was  such a success"?
 
2013-10-29 05:02:15 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: It hasn't gone awry, it's just now starting to get on track.


Ding ding.
 
2013-10-29 05:14:57 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I like the show, and I like the characters. The Skye/Rising Tide storyline seems a little contrived, but otherwise it's everything I'd want from a comic-universe show.


You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!
 
2013-10-29 05:19:54 PM  
It has so much potential as the glue to hold together the movies, but they're just kinda flying around.
 
2013-10-29 05:26:36 PM  
Ming-Na Wen is 50 in three weeks. That doesn't seem right (or fair).
 
2013-10-29 05:28:38 PM  
My son was so excited by the prospect of this show that we had to be sure we taped it just in case, now it is just "I would rather watch something on youtube" territory because he just doesn't care about the episodes.  He may be a bit young for their demographic but his disinterest makes the rest of us who are in their key age groups say we won't watch this as we just don't care either.
 
2013-10-29 05:29:28 PM  

foo monkey: It has so much potential as the glue to hold together the movies, but they're just kinda flying around.


What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie.  Where's that SHIELD?  Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this?  That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.
 
2013-10-29 05:30:39 PM  
I like the show and am glad that it hasn't been canceled yet. I thought the last two episodes were much better than the beginning of the show, however.

However, I'm not that familiar with the Marvel Universe outside of all the movies made in the last 2 decades, so I don't really get that worked up over canon and continuity. I am just enjoying the fact that it's not complete crap, like some of the other new shows this fall.

Now that we have some resolution on Skye's back story, it's definitely time to find out more about the other characters.

Also, last weekend I watched Joss Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing, and henceforth I am calling Clark Gregg, Agent "Leonato" Coulson. Seriously, this is a great portrayal of the Beatrice/Benedick love story.
 
2013-10-29 05:34:16 PM  
I said on a previous thread that while I think the show is entertaining enough, I do think it still feels dissconected from the rest of the Marvel Film Universe.

I understand if they want to show the impact of the existence of the Avengers and all that to the everyday people, but with the exception of Coulson and Fury's cameo, I still don't have the feeling that this and the Avengers are part of the same world.

I don't dislike the show, but I do think that the Winter Soldier trailer was a better SHIELD show on it's own than Agents of SHIELD.

/Still think the show is fun to watch.
 
2013-10-29 05:34:36 PM  
I dig the show. Agent Coulson is a cool badass. I hope the show finds its footing. I will admit that its less super hero and more fringe x-files in the marvel universe and it does not know what it wants to be.. But all in all im digging it
 
2013-10-29 05:36:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UNC_Samurai: I like the show, and I like the characters. The Skye/Rising Tide storyline seems a little contrived, but otherwise it's everything I'd want from a comic-universe show.

You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!


I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.

That was the most interesting scene so far in the series. (I really hope that changes soon)
 
2013-10-29 05:36:47 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!


They're skipping it this week.
 
2013-10-29 05:39:43 PM  
I watched a couple episodes. All I could think about the whole time was "Gee, I wonder what Tony Stark is up to"
 
2013-10-29 05:39:59 PM  
Same thing that kills most DC Comics efforts.  Trying to appeal to every possible audience, thereby satisfying none.
 
2013-10-29 05:40:19 PM  
This show has the same problem that a lot of shows based on big, heroic characters have - it's stuff that seems like it would be cool to know about, but eventually you get bored with.  Torchwood is another example.  Sure, Capt. Jack was awesome, but after a few episodes you start to go, "gee, I'd rather see the Doctor and how he'd solve all this".  The same applies here. Oh, it's Coulson...ok...so, um, how's Tony holding up after the whole blowing up all his suits thing?  Or is Steve having trouble adjusting to cell phones and twitter?  Because I don't really care about SHIELD that much, I care about the heroes they monitor and support.

And they COULD have made it a street level superhero show, which would have worked.  Have Luke Cage as the star, with Misty Knight and Shang-Chi and heck, throw in Jessica Jones, too.  Make the show about them as SHIELD's "B-Team" of lower power Avengers, essentially.  Then people might like it, and might care about it.  But as it is, it's like...this is the show about the boring folks in the background of the helicarrier scenes.

And while it might be cool to see something about them, you really don't want a whole series about them.
 
2013-10-29 05:42:57 PM  
The show is called agents of shield and while there is some continuity between the movies. The main reason is Coulson, his expertise is making great agents. We know something is off and the bigger characters like fury and the character robin plays knows too. It seems this is an experiment for Coulson and he's being closely watched.The big bad seems to be this centipede project. I like where it is and I wish people had better attention spans and patience. All shows should have a minimum of 13 episodes before a cancellation is allowed as most shows take time to grow./At the very least it should be noted it is the number 1 show when DVR recordings ate factored in
 
2013-10-29 05:45:27 PM  
I hope they kill both of the nerdy "science" people very soon.
 
2013-10-29 05:47:25 PM  
K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.
 
2013-10-29 05:51:21 PM  

terminalx: The show is called agents of shield and while there is some continuity between the movies. The main reason is Coulson, his expertise is making great agents. We know something is off and the bigger characters like fury and the character robin plays knows too. It seems this is an experiment for Coulson and he's being closely watched.The big bad seems to be this centipede project. I like where it is and I wish people had better attention spans and patience. All shows should have a minimum of 13 episodes before a cancellation is allowed as most shows take time to grow./At the very least it should be noted it is the number 1 show when DVR recordings ate factored in


Not that I disagree with you, but the main issue that I have with Agents of SHIELD is that with the exception of Coulson, the other characters on the team are not that interesting.

Whedon always had this great ability to balance different types of characters on one enssemble cast. That's what made shows like Avengers and also Firefly and Buffy so interesting. Cool characters having great interactions between them.

I love Coulson, I loved his fanboyism over Captain American and still managed to keep up with Stark's snark... but the rest of the characters aren't that interesting.

I think that is what hurts the show the most... even more the lack of Marvel lore...
 
2013-10-29 05:54:15 PM  

Moopy Mac: Ming-Na Wen is 50 in three weeks. That doesn't seem right (or fair).


Everyone on that show wears WAY too much makeup.  I get that it's TV and they're supposed to be beautiful, but they all look like bad photoshops.
 
2013-10-29 05:57:39 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!


Skye might be a little vanilla as a character, but the complaints about her hacker-skills are more than a little ridiculous.

"She's too pretty to be a hacker!"  That's just people thinking pretty girls must be stupid, which is stupid (you didn't say it, but others have).
"She was living in a van, WTF!"  Explained in the most recent episode; she bought fully into the whole lack of materialism thing.  As for why she was clean and looked good; she wasn't homeless and POOR.  She's a superhacker.  She probably just hacks a bank if she needs cash for something.

And more on point, with what you said, the "she keeps doing stuff that's impossible!"  It's a superhero show.  It just featured a guy that can throw fire.  It's made references to another guy who's literally a Norse God.  SHIELD agents are the best humanity has to offer,  in a world where superheroes and magic exists.

If I can accept that the Hulk exists, I can accept someone hacking shiat with a cellphone.


rugman11: What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie.  Where's that SHIELD?  Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this?  That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.


They ARE the B-Team.  That was spelled out early on.  They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either someone he's worked with extensively (Ming-Na), or a total rookie he can mould.

Even their plane isn't a big investment, for a group that has a hovercarrier.

If we were dealing with the full might of SHIELD in every episode, it would get ridiculous, and the effects budget would be through the roof.  This way, they get to tell a much more human-level story, and keep the budget within reason.

The idea, almost certainly, is that the Coulson B-Team will meld together and become one of SHIELD's crack squads.  But we've got to get through those early days, first.  It's still the first season, which will mostly be about that coming together.  Next season, things will really start to tick along, most likely.
 
2013-10-29 05:59:47 PM  
What's wrong with the show is that other than Coulson and May, the other characters kinda fall flat. Especially little miss hacks everything from a cell phone. It's nice to see they're trying to develop her character and all, but they need to stop making her the focus of each episode, develop Mr. Cardboard and the techies a bit more.
 
2013-10-29 06:00:37 PM  
Watched two episodes

Let it stack up on the tivo

// don't think it's going to survive, so if it gets canned I can delete the recorded shows with no remorse.

// too many other shows to watch anyway
 
2013-10-29 06:00:50 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I like the show, and I like the characters.  The Skye/Rising Tide storyline seems a little contrived, but otherwise it's everything I'd want from a comic-universe show.

If people are biatching about how it's not carrying other shows, MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THEIR FARKING AWFUL SHOWS.  Seriously, who at ABC looked at Goldbergs and thought, "Yes, That 80s Show was  such a success"?


"WE'RE PRETTY!"
 
2013-10-29 06:03:12 PM  
It's because it's a Whedon show, but Jed instead of Joss. Joss reads the scripts and gives notes, but he's not involved in day-to-day operations, which is why the show feels like somebody trying to do Whedon and not pulling it off. Jed may share some of the same ideas and execution, but he's trying to channel whatever he brings to the table through his brother's lens. It's like if a new movie came out that was sold as a Christopher Nolan flick, but you ended up with Jonathan trying to do Christopher's style instead of making it his own.
 
2013-10-29 06:13:12 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: It hasn't gone awry, it's just now starting to get on track.


So far it's been rather bland and uninteresting but I'm hoping that changes once it really gets going. I can see them moving the pieces into place so I'm willing to hang on for a bit longer but only just. Still waiting for the magic to happen.
 
2013-10-29 06:13:48 PM  
The lab wonks Fitz and Simmons should have been combined into one character named Fitzsimmons. They are the same character, and only seem to be divided into two halves so that they can spout techno-babble exposition at each other for the benefit of the audience.
 
2013-10-29 06:15:27 PM  

unlikely: I think the show is just fine. It'd be better if they brought in some Ben E.D.L.U.N.D.


He's got a gig on "Revolution" now.
 
2013-10-29 06:18:47 PM  

Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.


I'm with you.  More Coulson and May, less cheap Agent Cary Elwes and Generic Flighty Whedon Gurrl.  I recognize they're shooting for a younger demographic, but even the younger demographic would prefer more Coulson.  He's fun.
 
2013-10-29 06:19:01 PM  
I've even seen Joss Whedon work miracles on characters I initially wrote off (like amoral scientist Topher on "Dollhouse")

I think Wesley is a much better example of that.
 
2013-10-29 06:20:20 PM  
I really want to like the show, but with the exception of Coulson, all the characters are dull as dirt.  The stories could just as easily be Warehouse 13, Friday the 13th, or any other similar show, where they retrieve the Dangerous And Evil Object Of The Week all while battling some mysterious shadow organization.  Right out of the gate, they started contradicting their own mythos.  Oh, S.H.I.E.L.D is a secret organization? That everyone knows about?  Because you've got your logos all over your cars as you tear through the streets of countries where you have no legal jurisdiction (or do they?  The show can't seem to decide if it's a U.S.-controlled organization or U.N. controlled)?  Oh, and let's not forget that it's a world in which the Battle for New York occurred and yet people are astonished when someone displays a power of any sort.

I watched every episode, but the thing turned into a formulaic by-the-numbers show almost immediately and that makes it Nothing Special.
 
2013-10-29 06:21:33 PM  

Miss Nova: The lab wonks Fitz and Simmons should have been combined into one character named Fitzsimmons. They are the same character, and only seem to be divided into two halves so that they can spout techno-babble exposition at each other for the benefit of the audience.


I don't know.
It's gimmicky, but I can see them becoming a story arc in the future.
 
2013-10-29 06:22:53 PM  

KhamanV: Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.

I'm with you.  More Coulson and May, less cheap Agent Cary Elwes and Generic Flighty Whedon Gurrl.  I recognize they're shooting for a younger demographic, but even the younger demographic would prefer more Coulson.  He's fun.


I wouldn't mind if they killed agent Bond rip-off guy and Fitz/Simmons. He has all the acting chops of a 2x4 and those two are just....annoying. They're like little chipmunks chattering away. Then turn hacker girl into an agent of Hydra or something. Then she can be slightly interesting and not around all the time.
 
2013-10-29 06:24:16 PM  
Well I like it. So there.
 
2013-10-29 06:39:15 PM  

PanicMan: Well I like it. So there.


Agreed. It's building slowly, and I think it will get through the growing pains to be a steadily strong show going forward. This is the first TV series that I've gone out of my way to watch in a very long time; I'm willing to give it a few more episodes to mature.
 
2013-10-29 06:40:23 PM  

Thorak: rugman11: What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie. Where's that SHIELD? Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this? That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.

They ARE the B-Team. That was spelled out early on. They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either someone he's worked with extensively (Ming-Na), or a total rookie he can mould.

Even their plane isn't a big investment, for a group that has a hovercarrier.

If we were dealing with the full might of SHIELD in every episode, it would get ridiculous, and the effects budget would be through the roof. This way, they get to tell a much more human-level story, and keep the budget within reason.

The idea, almost certainly, is that the Coulson B-Team will meld together and become one of SHIELD's crack squads. But we've got to get through those early days, first. It's still the first season, which will mostly be about that coming together. Next season, things will really start to tick along, most likely.


That causes a problem with stakes, though, because we know that if they ever screw something up too badly, the cavalry will sweep in to save the day.

Torchwood had the same problem in its early seasons.  You knew things weren't going to go too terribly badly because if the earth were ever truly in danger The Doctor would be there to set things right.  They got around that problem by killing off their characters...a lot.  Maybe that's what SHIELD needs to do.  Or at least they need to do something to shake up the status quo.

The show is supposed to be about the regular people we don't see in the Marvel movies.  Let's see what happens when bad stuff goes down and The Avengers aren't there to save the day.
 
2013-10-29 06:41:15 PM  

Thorak: Explained in the most recent episode; she bought fully into the whole lack of materialism thing. As for why she was clean and looked good; she wasn't homeless and POOR. She's a superhacker. She probably just hacks a bank if she needs cash for something.


I'm not saying that a superhacker who reports on conspiracies, lives in a van and is into the whole lack of materialism thing couldn't also look like a Cover Girl model, just that a Norse God who is a being from another dimension who fights aliens in New York is a more believable character than she is.  The same would hold true if instead of a pretty girl she was a handsome boy.

Not that computer superhackers can't be good looking.  But the obsessive ones who abstain from material goods and live in a van aren't probably also healthy eaters who work out.
 
2013-10-29 06:49:05 PM  
Yeah. I've been watching and, honestly, I don't see it as long lived. Not only are the characters kinda bland, but it's following pretty much the exact same formula as every other supers show:

*) There are some ordinary, everyday people with special powers.
*) Most people are unaware of this, or at least unaware of how prevalent the situation is.
*) There is a mysterious group out there with an interest in the supers, and they appear to have their own nefarious purposes.

C.f. Alphas, The Tomorrow People, Heroes....

/Sylar counts as a "group"
 
2013-10-29 07:02:29 PM  
Other than the sucktacular touch of Joss Whedon?
 
2013-10-29 07:06:29 PM  
Did not read article or thread but this 48 year old white guy with low standards is enjoying the show.
 
2013-10-29 07:06:43 PM  
In two years when it is cancelled, the Farkers will biatch about the network not giving the show a chance. The fact that the show is a bore will not compute to them.
 
2013-10-29 07:11:58 PM  

rugman11: Thorak: rugman11: What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie. Where's that SHIELD? Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this? That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.

They ARE the B-Team. That was spelled out early on. They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either someone he's worked with extensively (Ming-Na), or a total rookie he can mould.

Even their plane isn't a big investment, for a group that has a hovercarrier.

If we were dealing with the full might of SHIELD in every episode, it would get ridiculous, and the effects budget would be through the roof. This way, they get to tell a much more human-level story, and keep the budget within reason.

The idea, almost certainly, is that the Coulson B-Team will meld together and become one of SHIELD's crack squads. But we've got to get through those early days, first. It's still the first season, which will mostly be about that coming together. Next season, things will really start to tick along, most likely.

That causes a problem with stakes, though, because we know that if they ever screw something up too badly, the cavalry will sweep in to save the day.

Torchwood had the same problem in its early seasons.  You knew things weren't going to go too terribly badly because if the earth were ever truly in danger The Doctor would be there to set things right.  They got around that problem by killing off their characters...a lot.  Maybe that's what SHIELD needs to do.  Or at least they need to do something to shake up the status quo.

The show is supposed to be about the regular people we don't see in the Marvel movies.  Let's see what happens when bad stuff goes down and The Avengers aren't there to save the day.


But then that also became problem with Torchwood, since everybody besides Gwen and Jack was likely a redshirt, it was hard to care about anyone as a character because "They're just gonna die anyway". Also, they kept killing likeable off and let the annoying ones live.
 
2013-10-29 07:19:53 PM  

Thorak: The Stealth Hippopotamus: You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!

Skye might be a little vanilla as a character, but the complaints about her hacker-skills are more than a little ridiculous.

"She's too pretty to be a hacker!"  That's just people thinking pretty girls must be stupid, which is stupid (you didn't say it, but others have).
"She was living in a van, WTF!"  Explained in the most recent episode; she bought fully into the whole lack of materialism thing.  As for why she was clean and looked good; she wasn't homeless and POOR.  She's a superhacker.  She probably just hacks a bank if she needs cash for something.

And more on point, with what you said, the "she keeps doing stuff that's impossible!"  It's a superhero show.  It just featured a guy that can throw fire.  It's made references to another guy who's literally a Norse God.  SHIELD agents are the best humanity has to offer,  in a world where superheroes and magic exists.

If I can accept that the Hulk exists, I can accept someone hacking shiat with a cellphone.


rugman11: What struck me was watching the trailer for the new Captain America movie.  Where's that SHIELD?  Where's the SHIELD with hover-carriers, tanks, planes, and armies and who may actually be the bad guy in all this?  That looks and sounds awesome.

I understand that it's television and you can't do that kind of thing on a TV budget, but watching the show you just constantly get the feeling that you're watching the B-Team and it just leaves me wanting more of the A-Team.

They ARE the B-Team.  That was spelled out early on.  They aren't the front line of SHIELD's best agents, they're Coulson's squad, and he likes to build his people up from the ground, which is why everyone's either ...


The cellphone part shouldn't bother you anyway, I do quite a bit of systems administration from my phone, I can VPN into my work and then SSH or RDP to whatever server I need to work on.  I'm only using my phone as a screen, I'm "on" a server.
 
2013-10-29 07:26:20 PM  

foo monkey: It has so much potential as the glue to hold together the movies, but they're just kinda flying around.


i see what you did there.
 
2013-10-29 07:31:13 PM  

Thorak: The Stealth Hippopotamus: You like Skye? Don't get me wrong I understand we need a character to lead us though this new land, but "hey let me type on my cellphone and fix everything" is getting real old real fast. I haven't watched last nights episode yet but I hope they show her in front of an actual computer this time!

Skye might be a little vanilla as a character, but the complaints about her hacker-skills are more than a little ridiculous.

"She's too pretty to be a hacker!"  That's just people thinking pretty girls must be stupid, which is stupid (you didn't say it, but others have).
"She was living in a van, WTF!"  Explained in the most recent episode; she bought fully into the whole lack of materialism thing.  As for why she was clean and looked good; she wasn't homeless and POOR.  She's a superhacker.  She probably just hacks a bank if she needs cash for something.


bullshiat. She specifically yells at the ex-bf last episode for taking the money BECAUSE THEY WERE POOR.  When the guys entire defense to taking a couple mil to rat out the guy so that they can make a living (rather than barely making do in a van/shiatty apartment), they aren't rich.

Her backstory is the worst god damn thing about this show.  Oh I'm an orphan that no one ever loved, someone like me.  Oh and before I get kicked out of SHIELD lets reveal that I was snooping into them because LOL MY PARENTS WERE KIDNAPPED!

Oh and Agent Ward wanted to be a field agent because "his moment" was he got beat up by his brother as a kid.  Yup, when he got his ass kicked he reached into the sky and shouted that he would be a top secret agent for a top secret organization that he probably didn't know about.

Why do we keep getting threads about this god awful show when the next day has an infinitely superior superhero show that doesn't even get a blurb.
 
2013-10-29 07:35:41 PM  
"where people feel compelled to watch live or risk missing out on what people will be excitedly discussing the next day."

Is this even a thing? I've heard the expression "water cooler show" before and have always wondered. In all my years I can't ever remember people standing around at work discussing what TV show they watched the night before, unless it was something like "Hey, do anything last night?" "Not really, just sat on my ass watching TV."

I could see this happening 40 years ago when there were only 3 stations to watch, but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?
 
2013-10-29 07:35:51 PM  
As a 43 year old brown male, I like the show.  Sure the acting can be wooden parts, but its about human beings who can excel without being super heros.  It is the story of the common man rising above his mediocrity.

And I will quote the Highlander 2, which never happened, which makes me love the agents of shield.

 Most people have a full measure of life... and most people just watch it slowly drip away. But if you can summon it all up... at one time... in one place... you can accomplish something... glorious.
 
2013-10-29 07:41:25 PM  
Five episodes in and the only time I cracked a smile was Fury's cameo. That tells me all I need to know.
 
2013-10-29 07:42:00 PM  
It's not great, but it's not terrible either and it seems to be improving week over week.  Some beloved shows were farking TERRIBLE when they started out.  I'd loved to have seen what the comments would have looked like for the first half season of ST:TNG if Fark had been around in the late 80s.  Probably a 2000+ comment thread decrying it as the worst.idea.ever.
 
2013-10-29 07:45:04 PM  
it's a shame
it spends half it's time winking at itself
and the other half
explaining itself
 
2013-10-29 07:47:36 PM  
They should've kept the black guy from Angel in the show, he's the only one who can act beside the Asian woman and Paulson.
 
2013-10-29 07:49:29 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "where people feel compelled to watch live or risk missing out on what people will be excitedly discussing the next day."

Is this even a thing? I've heard the expression "water cooler show" before and have always wondered. In all my years I can't ever remember people standing around at work discussing what TV show they watched the night before, unless it was something like "Hey, do anything last night?" "Not really, just sat on my ass watching TV."

I could see this happening 40 years ago when there were only 3 stations to watch, but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?


The water cooler is online now.  Like Downton Abbey but wait for it to air in the US?  Better not go to the Daily Mail site for four months because they'll spoil the hell out of it in the sidebar.  Like Game of Thrones?  Don't go to the Fark Entertainment page the day after the episode airs or you'll get spoiled, too.  I turn off Twitter on Sunday nights because otherwise all the shows I watch on Monday get spoiled for me.

Plus, if you actually enjoy talking about television online, the discussions usually die out in a day or two, unless it's something really zeitgeisty like Breaking Bad.
 
2013-10-29 07:52:00 PM  

debug: I hope they kill both of the nerdy "science" people very soon.


This
 
2013-10-29 07:54:29 PM  

rugman11: ReapTheChaos: "where people feel compelled to watch live or risk missing out on what people will be excitedly discussing the next day."

Is this even a thing? I've heard the expression "water cooler show" before and have always wondered. In all my years I can't ever remember people standing around at work discussing what TV show they watched the night before, unless it was something like "Hey, do anything last night?" "Not really, just sat on my ass watching TV."

I could see this happening 40 years ago when there were only 3 stations to watch, but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?

The water cooler is online now.  Like Downton Abbey but wait for it to air in the US?  Better not go to the Daily Mail site for four months because they'll spoil the hell out of it in the sidebar.  Like Game of Thrones?  Don't go to the Fark Entertainment page the day after the episode airs or you'll get spoiled, too.  I turn off Twitter on Sunday nights because otherwise all the shows I watch on Monday get spoiled for me.

Plus, if you actually enjoy talking about television online, the discussions usually die out in a day or two, unless it's something really zeitgeisty like Breaking Bad.


Who keeps twitter feeds of their favorite tv shows?

I was involved in web marketing from 1997-2011, and I never kept a twitter feed, much less a twitter account.  Because personally it is,was not worth it.

The cacophony of cackling internet hens never made any decisions for me.
 
2013-10-29 07:55:41 PM  
Again, replace Skye and Roll Fizzlebeef with a C or B grade superhero. Done.

Yes, it's getting good but maybe a tad too late.
 
2013-10-29 08:02:33 PM  
You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.
 
2013-10-29 08:03:22 PM  

theflatline: rugman11: ReapTheChaos: "where people feel compelled to watch live or risk missing out on what people will be excitedly discussing the next day."

Is this even a thing? I've heard the expression "water cooler show" before and have always wondered. In all my years I can't ever remember people standing around at work discussing what TV show they watched the night before, unless it was something like "Hey, do anything last night?" "Not really, just sat on my ass watching TV."

I could see this happening 40 years ago when there were only 3 stations to watch, but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?

The water cooler is online now.  Like Downton Abbey but wait for it to air in the US?  Better not go to the Daily Mail site for four months because they'll spoil the hell out of it in the sidebar.  Like Game of Thrones?  Don't go to the Fark Entertainment page the day after the episode airs or you'll get spoiled, too.  I turn off Twitter on Sunday nights because otherwise all the shows I watch on Monday get spoiled for me.

Plus, if you actually enjoy talking about television online, the discussions usually die out in a day or two, unless it's something really zeitgeisty like Breaking Bad.

Who keeps twitter feeds of their favorite tv shows?

I was involved in web marketing from 1997-2011, and I never kept a twitter feed, much less a twitter account.  Because personally it is,was not worth it.

The cacophony of cackling internet hens never made any decisions for me.


I write about television on my blog, which means I follow a bunch of critics on Twitter.  Also, not that you would know this since you apparently don't have anything to do with Twitter, but Twitter and television are kind of a thing now.
 
2013-10-29 08:04:46 PM  
The only annoying part of the Avengers was the crap dialogue.  That didn't even matter since the overseas market at up the visuals.  I like Whedon well enough, but I kind of think just about anyone could have made it successful so long as RDJ had a big role and Hulk was good enough actor.  No one was going to it just because it was a Whedon film.
 
2013-10-29 08:05:19 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.


Those were on a smaller network full of SciFi geeks.
 
2013-10-29 08:09:40 PM  

eddievercetti: Again, replace Skye and Roll Fizzlebeef with a C or B grade superhero.


yeah!  like Monica Rambeau.  or Aaron Stack.  or Tabby Smith.  or ...
 
2013-10-29 08:10:23 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.

Those were on a smaller network full of SciFi geeks.


Actually they were on Showtime at first.
 
2013-10-29 08:10:30 PM  
Just tuned into tonights show - reruns already?
 
2013-10-29 08:14:32 PM  

nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.



Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.
 
2013-10-29 08:17:05 PM  
The biggest crime is it is bland.
 
2013-10-29 08:21:34 PM  

GRCooper: Just tuned into tonights show - reruns already?


Next week kicks off sweeps.  Perhaps next weeks episode has a direct Thor tie-in.
 
2013-10-29 08:22:20 PM  

hammer85: Why do we keep getting threads about this god awful show when the next day has an infinitely superior supsoaperhero show that doesn't even get a blurb.

Good action, though.
 
2013-10-29 08:22:46 PM  

Nefarious: GRCooper: Just tuned into tonights show - reruns already?

Next week kicks off sweeps.   Perhaps next weeks episode has a direct Thor tie-in.


That would be my bet.
 
2013-10-29 08:24:38 PM  

rugman11: theflatline: rugman11: ReapTheChaos: "where people feel compelled to watch live or risk missing out on what people will be excitedly discussing the next day."

Is this even a thing? I've heard the expression "water cooler show" before and have always wondered. In all my years I can't ever remember people standing around at work discussing what TV show they watched the night before, unless it was something like "Hey, do anything last night?" "Not really, just sat on my ass watching TV."

I could see this happening 40 years ago when there were only 3 stations to watch, but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?

The water cooler is online now.  Like Downton Abbey but wait for it to air in the US?  Better not go to the Daily Mail site for four months because they'll spoil the hell out of it in the sidebar.  Like Game of Thrones?  Don't go to the Fark Entertainment page the day after the episode airs or you'll get spoiled, too.  I turn off Twitter on Sunday nights because otherwise all the shows I watch on Monday get spoiled for me.

Plus, if you actually enjoy talking about television online, the discussions usually die out in a day or two, unless it's something really zeitgeisty like Breaking Bad.

Who keeps twitter feeds of their favorite tv shows?

I was involved in web marketing from 1997-2011, and I never kept a twitter feed, much less a twitter account.  Because personally it is,was not worth it.

The cacophony of cackling internet hens never made any decisions for me.

I write about television on my blog, which means I follow a bunch of critics on Twitter.  Also, not that you would know this since you apparently don't have anything to do with Twitter, but Twitter and television are kind of a thing now.


I follow twitter but in marketing it still is considered an anomaly, I did write a facebook campaign that was up for a Cannes award.

Twitter is ok for Jack Handy like thoughts, but will always fall short of a real campaign unless you are trolling for something high on the public, vapid hierarchy.

So if you write a blog about television following twitter pundits, how are you for originality?
 
2013-10-29 08:26:05 PM  

mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.


But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?
 
2013-10-29 08:37:13 PM  

theflatline: follow twitter but in marketing it still is considered an anomaly, I did write a facebook campaign that was up for a Cannes award.

Twitter is ok for Jack Handy like thoughts, but will always fall short of a real campaign unless you are trolling for something high on the public, vapid hierarchy.

So if you write a blog about television following twitter pundits, how are you for originality?


Yeah, Twitter isn't being used for marketing so much as, like I hoped I was referencing, as the new water cooler.  People get on Twitter when the show is airing (and after) and talk about it like they would in a  Fark thread, or in an AV Club review, or (decades ago) at work.

As for originality, I generally don't read other reviews until I've seen an episode and, if I'm going to write about it, written my own thoughts.  Hell, I even wrote a piece a couple of weeks ago about how I feel like I'm going mad because everybody is hating on Homeland while I'm really enjoying it this year.  If critics can't be original and be on Twitter, then we're all screwed because every critic is on Twitter.
 
2013-10-29 08:41:50 PM  

theflatline: Most people have a full measure of life... and most people just watch it slowly drip away. But if you can summon it all up... at one time... in one place... you can accomplish something... glorious.


And that place is....
 
2013-10-29 08:46:55 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: theflatline: Most people have a full measure of life... and most people just watch it slowly drip away. But if you can summon it all up... at one time... in one place... you can accomplish something... glorious.

And that place is....


Yes, yes it is.  A magical place.
 
2013-10-29 08:49:46 PM  

hammer85: mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.

But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?



50,000:1 odds it'd be one of them instead of Agents of H.A.S.B.R.O.'S "My First Supermodel", and then we'd have a very different scene with Neckbeard Skye in his underwear last week.

/shudder

Hey, they keep her in pretty dresses and underwear and shiat enough I'll give them a mulligan on it, just sayin' it wasn't exactly a puzzling casting choice. So she does seem like an awfully unlikely uber-hax0r even in a world of Helicarriers, alien portals and gamma radiation that gives you powers besides the power to get cancer.

But I'm still watching it... Honestly I like it. Not without faults, but entertaining. I can see where they're saving money in the episodes, but in general the production values have impressed more than amused and the episodes so far show promise.
 
2013-10-29 08:50:40 PM  

skyotter: eddievercetti: Again, replace Skye and Roll Fizzlebeef with a C or B grade superhero.

yeah!  like Monica Rambeau.  or Aaron Stack.  or Tabby Smith.  or ...


I think they'll have to save that for the next wave of Marvel shows.
 
2013-10-29 08:53:01 PM  

mongbiohazard: hammer85: mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.

But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?


50,000:1 odds it'd be one of them instead of Agents of H.A.S.B.R.O.'S "My Firs ...


The only reason I even bother to watch SHIELD at this point is that I have nothing else to watch on a tuesday night.  If this was going against Arrow's time slot it would never see the light of day.
 
2013-10-29 08:54:15 PM  

mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.



It's a common conceit in writing. The same as somebody being a genius at say chemistry but also being an expert hacker.  Unpossible. Even the most intelligent among us can only master 1 field.
 
2013-10-29 08:54:33 PM  

hammer85: mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.

But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?


Meh, if she knew it was a closed adoption then she may have developed the skills originally just to find her parents. It's a better explanation than just wanting to "let information be free." It's a thin motivation for real life, but with how neurotic her character has been written, it actually does make sense. Mostly.

I watch it, I am entertained well enough. I've never been a Whedon fan but I guess I've built up a buffer to all the angst. I hope it sticks around for at least a couple of seasons.
 
2013-10-29 09:04:30 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.


this
 
2013-10-29 09:09:31 PM  
Enough with the freaking love interests plots. Lazy studios must have insisted that there be love interests for the demographics. What next? puppies?
 
2013-10-29 09:12:17 PM  
All these stupid articles start with headlines claiming SHIELD is doing poorly....
...then a few sentences in, they all say "It's actually doing well, but we expected MORE".
Asshats.
 
2013-10-29 09:13:56 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: PanicMan: Well I like it. So there.

Agreed. It's building slowly, and I think it will get through the growing pains to be a steadily strong show going forward. This is the first TV series that I've gone out of my way to watch in a very long time; I'm willing to give it a few more episodes to mature.


Same here.  I just don't ever watch network TV.  I'm not the person they're trying to reach.  But I am watching SHIELD.

Esroc: Five episodes in and the only time I cracked a smile was Fury's cameo. That tells me all I need to know.


Then sir you have no soul.  I about fell off the couch laughing when they called the van "Short Bus", and Colson deadpans "I name things from now on".
 
2013-10-29 09:18:33 PM  
My only complaint is I wanted it more like NCIS and instead I'm getting more NCIS L.A.
Other than that, why are people complaining about a show they don't own?
It's Marvel fun.
It's one hour.
Either watch it or don't, but quit your biatching about it.

/eh, this meal is horrible. Instead of quit eating it, I'll just keep eating it and complain.
 
2013-10-29 09:25:05 PM  
It would do better in the ratings if every episode ended with a pretentious quote spoken over a montage of the plane in flight intercut with the team looking moody.
 
2013-10-29 09:28:00 PM  
I'll save my comments for tomorrow's Agent of SHIELD thread....
 
2013-10-29 09:29:23 PM  
Hacking is Skye's mutant power. She said " I am really good with computers, LIKE WEIRDLY GOOD."

I think her other power must have to do with being insanely good looking.
 
2013-10-29 09:33:45 PM  
X_Raraavis: Hacking is Skye's mutant power. She said " I am really good with computers, LIKE WEIRDLY GOOD."


I'm sure someone in the Marvel Universe has that power but I don't feel like looking.
 
2013-10-29 09:34:40 PM  

SpdrJay: I'll save my comments for tomorrow's Agent of SHIELD thread....


After watching another great episode of Arrow. Arrow started pretty weak, as well, but I think even Arrow was better 5 episodes in than Agents. Granted, I don't think they'd gotten to the Huntress yet, which was the low point. Last week had so many great Easter eggs that they can use; Metamorpho Chemical company, the container ship Amazo, and of course, **SPOILERS** Ras Al'Gul, mother farkers!
 
2013-10-29 09:42:54 PM  
Coulson and May are the two high points. The low points are everything else so far. They were getting there with the show with the former agent that had the eye implant. They're hamstringing themselves terribly without AIM or Hydra as opponents and hey they even introduced AIM in Ironman 3 so what the fark? Another problem in THIS Marvel universe is due to legal reasons Fox owns the rights to the M-words so they have to bend over backwards to say "Scorch" got his powers from somewhere else.
 
2013-10-29 09:45:53 PM  
Worth it for Skye in underwear. Dem hips
 
2013-10-29 09:46:19 PM  
Trocadero: After watching another great episode of Arrow. Arrow started pretty weak, as well, but I think even Arrow was better 5 episodes in than Agents.

I went into Arrow, thinking he was going to be more like the Queen from Smallville (they're both CW shows!!!)

Was gratefully surprised that it's nothing like that.
 
2013-10-29 09:48:57 PM  

Trocadero: SpdrJay: I'll save my comments for tomorrow's Agent of SHIELD thread....

After watching another great episode of Arrow. Arrow started pretty weak, as well, but I think even Arrow was better 5 episodes in than Agents. Granted, I don't think they'd gotten to the Huntress yet, which was the low point. Last week had so many great Easter eggs that they can use; Metamorpho Chemical company, the container ship Amazo, and of course, **SPOILERS** Ras Al'Gul, mother farkers!


I don't think Arrow started out as weak as AoS did. I think it helped that they started right away with a concept that was meant to go a full season (the list) and put it in a format that could be done on a per episode basis. I also like the bit by bit reveal of what happened on the island. That was a very smart move by the writers since they don't have to go back and retcon stuff they showed in the first few episodes as flashbacks, they can just add to the flashbacks. The other thing that helped Arrow is that the characters seemed to start with actual personalities that are being built upon rather than starting with a cardboard cutout that they try to paint a personality on as they go the way AoS seems to be doing.
 
2013-10-29 09:56:41 PM  
I was more entertained by the 7-minute preview of Almost Human than I've been watching Agents of Shield so far. I stopped watching last week's episode half way through out of boredom.

Show's too much Smallville, not enough Marvel movie universe.
 
2013-10-29 09:59:01 PM  
I saw one episode a while back. It seemed like a generic USA Network action show. Something like Renegade or Walker Texas Ranger quality. It definitely doesn't feel like the same universe as the Marvel movies.
 
2013-10-29 10:13:50 PM  
Quit after 2 episodes.  Sounds like the same show's just kept going on.
 
2013-10-29 10:17:37 PM  
drjekel_mrhyde: Nicholas D. Wolfwood:   You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.

Those were on a smaller network full of SciFi geeks.


True.  Other differences that occur to me - 1) Stargate was effectively creating its universe as it went.  'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D' is constrained to fit into established Marvel continuity without rocking the boat.

2) SHIELD is on a major broadcast network - ABC, as opposed to Showtime/SyFy, etc.  Different standards, different group of censors, etc.

3) ABC is owned by Disney.  'Nuff said.

I agree that SHIELD is not what it ought to be, and some of his criticisms are worthy of discussion.  For my part, I would say it's too - formulaic.  The stories seem like, essentially, 'Heroes' or 'Alphas' with a new coat of paint.  Yes, you've got to fit into the Marvel continuity - but get creative with it, give us some imagination.
 
2013-10-29 10:20:01 PM  
I tried to watch an episode but the show really didn't interest me much. Maybe I can give it another chance, but the episode kind of bored me.

I love Joss Whedon and really enjoyed Buffy, Angel, and Firefly. This show seems like it will end up just trying too hard to cash in on the Marvel name.
 
2013-10-29 10:46:14 PM  

Mad_Radhu: skyotter: eddievercetti: Again, replace Skye and Roll Fizzlebeef with a C or B grade superhero.

yeah!  like Monica Rambeau.  or Aaron Stack.  or Tabby Smith.  or ...

I think they'll have to save that for the next wave of Marvel shows.


I can see that, especially with Whedon's production of Much Ado About Nothing.  So, like Shakespeare, but with lots more punching.
 
2013-10-29 10:47:21 PM  
Show needs superheroes/villains. Not new ones created for the show, it needs classic characters. I want to like it, but there are better cop shows on tv already, and better superhero shows on tv already. Arrow is surprisingly good.
 
2013-10-29 10:47:35 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: 3) ABC is owned by Disney.  'Nuff said.


So is Marvel Comics... in case you weren't in on the email thread.
 
2013-10-29 10:53:20 PM  

terminalx: I wish people had better attention spans and patience. All shows should have a minimum of 13 episodes before a cancellation is allowed as most shows take time to grow.


To hell with that noise.if a show can't give me a reason to watch it in the first 5 hours I'm not going to give it any more of my time. Who the hell has enough free time they can waste 13 hours of it on a bad show they're hoping eventually gets good?


Dingleberry Dickwad: I don't think Arrow started out as weak as AoS did. I think it helped that they started right away with a concept that was meant to go a full season (the list) and put it in a format that could be done on a per episode basis. I also like the bit by bit reveal of what happened on the island. That was a very smart move by the writers since they don't have to go back and retcon stuff they showed in the first few episodes as flashbacks, they can just add to the flashbacks. The other thing that helped Arrow is that the characters seemed to start with actual personalities that are being built upon rather than starting with a cardboard cutout that they try to paint a personality on as they go the way AoS seems to be doing.


Yeah, my advice to the people making AoS would be just watch Arrow and take copious notes.
 
2013-10-29 10:53:33 PM  

PanicMan: Five Tails of Fury: PanicMan: Well I like it. So there.

Agreed. It's building slowly, and I think it will get through the growing pains to be a steadily strong show going forward. This is the first TV series that I've gone out of my way to watch in a very long time; I'm willing to give it a few more episodes to mature.

Same here.  I just don't ever watch network TV.  I'm not the person they're trying to reach.  But I am watching SHIELD.

Esroc: Five episodes in and the only time I cracked a smile was Fury's cameo. That tells me all I need to know.

Then sir you have no soul.  I about fell off the couch laughing when they called the van "Short Bus", and Colson deadpans "I name things from now on".


Nah, funniest moment so far:  Fait... err... Skye hits the clip release instead of the safety, looks up... "Bang?"
 
2013-10-29 10:55:23 PM  
Only the most hopelessly naive geeks didn't know this show was gonna suck ass.
 
2013-10-29 11:07:04 PM  

420Gabriel: Show needs superheroes/villains. Not new ones created for the show, it needs classic characters. I want to like it, but there are better cop shows on tv already, and better superhero shows on tv already. Arrow is surprisingly good.


Five episodes, two supervillains (including one of the Avengers stronger foes), one superpowered antihero, and one sinister organization creating supervillains.
 
2013-10-29 11:21:20 PM  

mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.


The thing that bothers me about Skye is not that she is naturally attractive, it's that she's not shown as presenting herself in a shower and brush her hair to get ready kind of way- she plucks her eyebrows and puts on makeup and generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her. Girls aren't born knowing how to put themselves together that way, they learn, they don't do it accidentally, they have to learn how to do that and then do it on purpose.

Plus, even if we believe that Skye likes fashion and makeup and making herself look nice, does anyone believe that a uber-hacker social weirdo anarchist would choose that as the way to present themselves? I could see a hacker or anarchist that's into fashion, but I see them picking non-mainstream ways of presenting themselves, more like Claudia from Warehouse 13. Skye seems entirely dressed and presented to please the male gaze, and in the most bland and mainstream way possible. She looks like a really hot, but generically hot chick. No aspect of her supposed personality is expressed to me through her fashion or styling choices.

Finally, with her looking like that, it does seem completely unlikely that guys weren't hitting on her or trying to get to know her or socially engage with her or that girls were treating her like a weirdo. She does not look or act like a nerd. Nothing about her comes across the way it is supposed to, even though they have her hacking on her phone all the time. And most fatally, nothing about her is interesting. She is not a compelling character, but the show acts like everyone is going to be in love with her and want to see her standing around doing things on her phone 24/7.
 
2013-10-29 11:22:18 PM  
Where's this show?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-29 11:24:56 PM  
hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-29 11:29:01 PM  

Gunther: To hell with that noise.if a show can't give me a reason to watch it in the first 5 hours I'm not going to give it any more of my time. Who the hell has enough free time they can waste 13 hours of it on a bad show they're hoping eventually gets good?


That was/is 100% exactly what I thought about Breaking Bad, for which the entire internet collectively cock-slobbered on a weekly basis, especially during the last two years of its run. I slogged through three seasons and never found a reason to watch, but other people seem to like it for some reason.

Parks and Recreation, which is probably the best situation comedy on TV right now, had a first season that bordered on unwatchable.
EVERY Star Trek TV show has needed at least a couple seasons to find a decent groove.

I think Agents of Shield would do well to kill a few members of the current cast and switch to something less monster of the week and move to more multi-episode story arcs. Basically as far as I'm concerned the whole cast except Clark Gregg is entirely disposable; there was probably more real character development in the first half of the first episode of Firefly than in all of Agents of Shield so far.
 
2013-10-29 11:32:54 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

[i.imgur.com image 400x397]


Well it would have supposedly been top secret before new york, which is more of what i meant.  Which is way after she was born.
There's just no plausible reasoning for Skye to have become super master hacker because she wanted to infiltrate SHIELD to save her parents in the ~year since SHIELD actually became a thing.  Not to mention there's no chance unless shes got one of those technogeek superpowers to be that good in such a short period of time.
 
2013-10-29 11:35:26 PM  

Mentat: 420Gabriel: Show needs superheroes/villains. Not new ones created for the show, it needs classic characters. I want to like it, but there are better cop shows on tv already, and better superhero shows on tv already. Arrow is surprisingly good.

Five episodes, two supervillains (including one of the Avengers stronger foes), one superpowered antihero, and one sinister organization creating supervillains.


Indeed. As TFA points out, the show's problems have far more to do with bland characters, forgettable scripts and a general lack of urgency and conflict. It's like a big bowl of unsweetened oatmeal.
 
2013-10-29 11:35:34 PM  
ambercat:  generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her.

Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.
 
2013-10-29 11:42:31 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

[i.imgur.com image 400x397]


They're basically the CIA/NSA for superpowered crap:  People know they exist, that's no secret, they just don't know exactly what the agency's job entails.
 
2013-10-29 11:44:03 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.


Yeah. Driving around in unmarked blacked-out black SUVs and flashing S.H.I.E.L.D. badges on-site is one thing. Driving around with "LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE! LOOK AT US! HERE WE ARE!" seems kinda weird. Might as well drive around with sirens blaring, sirens that scream that.
 
2013-10-29 11:59:51 PM  

likefunbutnot: Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.


Well yeah, but the show has established her as the sort of hacker who can break into SHIELD with a laptop, not the sort of hacker who charms their way in.

And yeah, I have to agree with  ambercat - the problem isn't that she's hot, it's that she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lived in a van and was raised in an orphanage... yet she presents herself with perfect hair/makeup/clothes and the personality of a popular upper-middle-class sorority sister.

It's like if a show had an investment banker who looked and acted like a hobo. It's not impossible, but it is the sort of thing that they need to acknowledge in-show as odd.
 
2013-10-30 12:00:39 AM  

Trik: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.

this


Hathor anyone?

Seriously though, what we have right now is characters that don't quite function as a whole.  (Kill Fitz or give Fitz and Simmons separate labs....I like Simmons, I think with what little she's had to work with she could actually be a wonderful lovable biochemist puppy, the potential is there, but she needs to be separated from Fitz.  Fitz honestly.........the scottish engineer is done.  There is Scotty, and there are lovable homages to Scotty, and we're past the time you're allowed to be one.)

I feel right now like we're almost seeing flanderized versions of these characters, Coulson excluded.  I do hope at some point the writers stop beating us over the head with plot points.  Honestly don't care about little orphan skye-ey, I mean I hope that the plot there resolves itself in a fun way, but it seems so disconnected from........well anything.

Re Coulson: Tahiti..........I feel like they would've been best served to make a note in the pilot, and then maybe one passing reference in like episode 6.......keep it on the back burner if its not something that's going to be resolved any time soon.......instead it appears in every episode in some way, and not a subtle way, but in some incredibly obvious way.

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy it, I'm just hoping like many a sci fi show before, it gets its legs.

(Anyone watch encounter to farpoint recently? holy hell.........)
 
2013-10-30 12:04:43 AM  
I like Whedon's stuff, but what I've seen of this show has been lackluster.
 
2013-10-30 12:05:27 AM  
I kind of like the show. When watching it, I feel as if I've been transported to a magical place.
 
2013-10-30 12:08:23 AM  

Gunther: likefunbutnot: Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.

Well yeah, but the show has established her as the sort of hacker who can break into SHIELD with a laptop, not the sort of hacker who charms their way in.

And yeah, I have to agree with  ambercat - the problem isn't that she's hot, it's that she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lived in a van and was raised in an orphanage... yet she presents herself with perfect hair/makeup/clothes and the personality of a popular upper-middle-class sorority sister.

It's like if a show had an investment banker who looked and acted like a hobo. It's not impossible, but it is the sort of thing that they need to acknowledge in-show as odd.


Maybe that's her superpower: no need to take a shower or style her hair.

Check her nails after a particularly rough mission. If they're not chipped, she's a super.
 
2013-10-30 12:14:06 AM  

Moopy Mac: Ming-Na Wen is 50 in three weeks. That doesn't seem right (or fair).


doanie.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-30 12:17:09 AM  
Wah, wah, wah, I wanted an Avengers movie every week, wah, wah, wah.

Stop watching then, bye.
 
2013-10-30 12:25:08 AM  

ambercat: mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.

The thing that bothers me about Skye is not that she is naturally attractive, it's that she's not shown as presenting herself in a shower and brush her hair to get ready kind of way- she plucks her eyebrows and puts on makeup and generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her. Girls aren't born knowing how to put themselves together that way, they learn, they don't do it accidentally, they have to learn how to do that and then do it on purpose.

Plus, even if we believe that Skye likes fashion and makeup and making herself look nice, does anyone believe that a uber-hacker social weirdo anarchist would choose that as the way to present themselves? I could see a hacker or anarchist that's into fashion, but I see them picking non-mainstream ways of presenting themselves, more like Claudia from Warehouse 13. Skye seems entirely dressed and presented to please the male gaze, and in the most bland and mainstream way possible. She looks like a really hot, but generically hot chick. No aspect of her supposed personality is expressed to me through her fashion or styling choices.

Finally, with her looking like that, it does seem completely unlikely that guys weren't hitting on her or trying to get to know her or socially engage with her or that girls were treating her like a weirdo. She does not look or act like a nerd. Nothing about her comes across the way it is supposed to, even though they have her hacking on her phone all the time. And most fatally, nothing about her is interesting. She is not a compelling character, but the show acts like everyone is going to be in love with her and want to see her standing around doing things on her phone 24/7.


Well said. The only part of me that is intrigued by her is the most simplistic part of my libido and that part is an idiot.

She is both boring and unrealistic. Sadly there are much more interesting female characters in my wife's silly CW shows.

This show makes me miss Alphas.
 
2013-10-30 12:27:22 AM  
I'm hoping it gets a second season. I'd love to see what kind of desperate batsh*t craziness the producers start cramming in, hoping to raise viewership.

/"Next up on Disney's ABC, Disney's Agents of SHIELD go back in time to team up with Disney's Captain Jack Sparrow and Disney's R2D2 and C3PO, and try to prevent Disney's Lone Ranger from ever being greenlit. Stay tuned after the credits for full frontal nudity from one of the cast. Will it finally be Skye this time, or will Coulson go for a three-week streak?"
 
2013-10-30 12:27:52 AM  

likefunbutnot: ambercat:  generally does all the grooming stuff to make herself as hot as possible, which is not a skill I have seen from any reclusive shut in socially awkward types. And it's not just a woman thing, how many male hackers/socially unskilled men groom and dress themselves according to mainstream fashion to that degree no matter what their body looks like? They don't dress like her, they don't groom themselves like her.

Oddly enough, many of the world's most famous hackers aren't well known because they knew some obscure software flaw, but because they were able to convince some person in a position of responsibility to trust them. You may not have noticed many ridiculously hot computer geeks, but I'm almost certain that you've known one or two ridiculously hot girls who had a bunch of guys wrapped around their finger, right? It's a certainly a valid method for contravening security. Just ask James Bond what a wry smile and a nice suit can do.


Yeah, but nothing about her character is written that way. Her personality is not like that at all. That would be like Sophie from Leverage- minus the computer skills. She's a grifter and gets information through charm and social manipulation. I don't think anyone would feel a Sophie-type character with hacking skills is not believable, what's not believable is that someone with Skye's character traits, backstory and dialog presents herself like this and dresses like this. It doesn't make any sense.
 
2013-10-30 12:31:50 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: hammer85:
But did any of those 50k socially maladjusted weirdos have their parents kidnapped by a top secret agency leading her to try and be a hacker to break into said top secret agency that there is no real reason to her to even suspect or know about?

This so-called "top secret agency" isn't very good about keeping it on the down-low.  I mean, they slap their logo and organization name on damn-near everything.  I know it's kind of subtle, but if you look closely, you can just barely make out the tiny eagle emblem on the door and the "S.H.I.E.L.D" acronym near the bottom.

[i.imgur.com image 400x397]


When your agency fires a nuke at New York City from a floating aircraft carrier in order to stop an alien invasion that your superhero team is battling to stop, your secret is pretty much out at that point.  In the new Captain America trailer, they have a giant building overlooking the Washington Monument.  SHIELD isn't a secret in this world.
 
2013-10-30 12:34:08 AM  

nocturnal001: This show makes me miss Alphas.


Watching the Tomorrow People reboot made me miss Alphas. The second season was even better than the first one, imo. I'm sad it got canceled. Speaking of interesting characters, Gary was just amazing.
 
2013-10-30 12:36:10 AM  

EdgeRunner: I'm hoping it gets a second season. I'd love to see what kind of desperate batsh*t craziness the producers start cramming in, hoping to raise viewership.

/"Next up on Disney's ABC, Disney's Agents of SHIELD go back in time to team up with Disney's Captain Jack Sparrow and Disney's R2D2 and C3PO, and try to prevent Disney's Lone Ranger from ever being greenlit. Stay tuned after the credits for full frontal nudity from one of the cast. Will it finally be Skye this time, or will Coulson go for a three-week streak?"


You know, I read that Once Upon a Time in Wonderland actually referenced the Sarlacc in last week's episode, so that ISN'T that much of a stretch.
 
2013-10-30 12:46:43 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: drjekel_mrhyde: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: You know, it took 'Stargate: SG-1' more than five episodes before it started percolating. Those early episodes of SG-1 were damn close to cringeworthy.

Those were on a smaller network full of SciFi geeks.

Actually they were on Showtime at first.


For five seasons, at that. From teh wiki:

According to the SG-1 producers, a broadcast network would have cancelled SG-1 after a few episodes, but Showtime put no pressure on the show to "deliver the meteoric ratings the way network shows do"
 
2013-10-30 12:48:53 AM  

ambercat: nocturnal001: This show makes me miss Alphas.

Watching the Tomorrow People reboot made me miss Alphas. The second season was even better than the first one, imo. I'm sad it got canceled. Speaking of interesting characters, Gary was just amazing.


Gary was awesome for sure.

"We ask the questions here"

Tomorrow people might be promising.
 
2013-10-30 12:50:27 AM  

Mentat: SHIELD isn't a secret in this world.


I think the problem is that SHIELD is poorly defined. Marvel can't decide if they're a superhero CIA or some shadow organization.
 
2013-10-30 01:08:24 AM  

Kaybeck: Mentat: SHIELD isn't a secret in this world.

I think the problem is that SHIELD is poorly defined. Marvel can't decide if they're a superhero CIA or some shadow organization.


I think it's pretty clear at this point.  In Iron Man, SHIELD was still fairly new.  By Avengers, they had significant infrastructure in place and had built up an enemies list.  By AoS, the existence of SHIELD is common knowledge.  They don't exactly advertise everything that they do, but when you have a giant headquarters overlooking the Washington Monument, you're out in the open.
 
2013-10-30 01:16:07 AM  
Less than a week since the last 'SHIELD sucks' thread.
 
2013-10-30 01:18:42 AM  

Mentat: In Iron Man, SHIELD was still fairly new.


Well, not exactly.  Founded after WWII, and Peggy Carter was the first to head SHIELD. But certainly lower profile, if Tony and Pepper didn't know their name.
 
2013-10-30 01:26:56 AM  
As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do. For that matter look at how many shows that are now well known success stories lasting many seasons (or ran a record number of seasons).

Star Trek NG, Star Trek DS9, Star Trek Voyager, Stargate SG-1 (also ran 10 seasons--longest running american sci-fi show evar!), Stargate Atlantis, Buffy the vampire Slayer, Angel, Farscape, Lost, Eureka, X-files,
Being Human, warehouse 13........

Once there are all 26 episodes aired, and its beengiven a real season to get going...then well see. They already set up one of the Marvel universes most powerful villains, in the comics he took on all the avengers (Iron man, Thor, ant man, wasp, hulk, captain America, and hawkeye)all at once while levitating the entire island of Manhattan at the same time. His name? Dr. Franklin Hall, aka Graviton. [marvel Universe Wiki has his info and story:  http://marvel.com/universe/Graviton ]
 
2013-10-30 01:32:55 AM  

Alphax: Mentat: In Iron Man, SHIELD was still fairly new.

Well, not exactly.  Founded after WWII, and Peggy Carter was the first to head SHIELD. But certainly lower profile, if Tony and Pepper didn't know their name.


True, I forgot about that.  We didn't really know any of that when Iron Man came out though, so I think they kind of retconned it.  Anyway, by this point they're out in the open.
 
2013-10-30 01:51:22 AM  

nocturnal001: ambercat: nocturnal001: This show makes me miss Alphas.

Watching the Tomorrow People reboot made me miss Alphas. The second season was even better than the first one, imo. I'm sad it got canceled. Speaking of interesting characters, Gary was just amazing.

Gary was awesome for sure.

"We ask the questions here"

Tomorrow people might be promising.


My problem with the Tomorrow People is that it's not consistent at all with their powers.  They are completely incapable of killing, but the chick straight up murdered the dude.

Time freeze is pretty much a deus ex machina that hopefully won't be used too much as well, though the uncle dude seems like he went from super smart spy guy to straight up brain damaged that he trusts the main guy so much.

That said, the acting isn't  completely awful, and the teleport fight scenes are fun to watch.
 
2013-10-30 02:10:07 AM  

Silvyrbug: As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do.


Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired. That was an amazingly well-put-together show. Its cancellation was a crime against culture.

Honestly, I don't think Whedon ever recovered from it. Both Dollhouse and SHIELD have the bland aroma of compromise. It's as if he lacked the enthusiasm to commit to the premise, worried that he'll get his heart broken, assuming his heart is even in it in the first place.
 
2013-10-30 03:09:02 AM  
I still don't get how anyone in their right mind would expect to see this show last a full season.
 
2013-10-30 03:11:11 AM  
This is really simple.

This show is not for the uninitiated. This show is for MCU fans. Not just Marvel comic fans, specifically, MCU. MCU is not 616, and I hope to god it never is (I recently got back into comic books and oh my god is IIM depressing).

This show is because the fandom denied Agent Coulson back to life, so they gave Clark Gregg a TV show. Which is awesome. But if you don't like MCU, you're not welcome here. The show is not for you. It's for bandwagon riders only.

Signed, knowing bandwagon owner and Coulson Crossplayer.

25.media.tumblr.com

/get out of my fandom, haters
//I don't come to your fandom and knock over the furniture
///tumblr roleplayer, crossplayer, will be going as Coulson to Thor 2
/if anything my complaint is that AoS is on the wrong channel and not in good company
//should be running back to back with Supernatural on CW in my opinion
 
2013-10-30 04:02:05 AM  

aendeuryu: Silvyrbug: As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do.

Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired. That was an amazingly well-put-together show. Its cancellation was a crime against culture.

Honestly, I don't think Whedon ever recovered from it. Both Dollhouse and SHIELD have the bland aroma of compromise. It's as if he lacked the enthusiasm to commit to the premise, worried that he'll get his heart broken, assuming his heart is even in it in the first place.


Well, Firefly was originally aired out of order though, so it DID take audiences a while to figure out wtf was happening, but for once that wasn't Whedon's fault. That's what the true crime was. Sometimes it just amazes me what blatantly stupid scheduling decisions people make.
 
2013-10-30 06:00:17 AM  

aendeuryu: Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired.


Firefly SUCKED!

What was with the hot chick engineer???

Hot chicks can't be engineers.
 
2013-10-30 07:14:01 AM  

BullBearMS: aendeuryu: Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired.

Firefly SUCKED!

What was with the hot chick engineer???

Hot chicks can't be engineers.


Kaylee wasn't hot. She was farking adorable. She made you want to hug the world.
 
2013-10-30 08:11:23 AM  
I think of the show as a lot like it's hottest star, Lola.

www.esquire.com

Classically nuanced, well-balanced, expertly-crafted and certainly aesthetically pleasing but then they go and do something stupid like this....

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-10-30 08:33:52 AM  

Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.


N.O  T.H.I.S  I.S  W.H.Y  I  W.A.T.C.H
 
2013-10-30 08:40:35 AM  

SeesWhatYouDidThere: Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.

N.O  T.H.I.S  I.S  W.H.Y  I  W.A.T.C.H


img.fark.net

/image didn't attach the first time...
 
2013-10-30 08:54:43 AM  

Neeek: Kaylee wasn't hot. She was farking adorable. She made you want to hug the world.


While we penised her
 
2013-10-30 09:04:27 AM  

SeesWhatYouDidThere: SeesWhatYouDidThere: Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.

N.O  T.H.I.S  I.S  W.H.Y  I  W.A.T.C.H

[img.fark.net image 130x150]

/image didn't attach the first time...


And you're why TV shows suck these days.
 
2013-10-30 09:06:21 AM  

hammer85: SeesWhatYouDidThere: SeesWhatYouDidThere: Bslim: K.I.L.L. T.H.E. H.A.C.K.E.R  B.I.M.B.O.

N.O  T.H.I.S  I.S  W.H.Y  I  W.A.T.C.H

[img.fark.net image 130x150]

/image didn't attach the first time...

And you're why TV shows suck these days.


I agree with him, and I don't watch any other TV shows.
 
2013-10-30 09:32:02 AM  
Wait. So, a Joss Whedon show is failing to deliver on all the hype and fanboy love surrounding it? I must consult my local clergy, for no phenomenon of this sort has ever occurred!
 
2013-10-30 09:33:55 AM  

mongbiohazard: nocturnal001: I'd rather they just dump her in a pool and make her run each episode.


Oh sweet Jebus, yes. She is unfairly hot. I mean just crazy, silly hot (IMHO, anyway).  I know maybe it's not PC to say that she's too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker... but she's clearly too pretty to be a crazy-awesome-uber-hacker.

I'm NOT saying that as an attractive girl she wouldn't have the intellectual potential/capacity for it by nature - absolutely not that at all. What I AM saying is that there's absolutely no farking way a chick that scalding hot is going to live the life of lonely, stank, cheeto-stained, near-monastic, awkward solitude that becoming one who could hax0rz S.H.I.E.L.D. from her van would entail. That's WHY you get uber-hackers breaking in to S.H.I.E.L.D in their van - because they were creepy socially-stunted neckbeards that didn't get invited to any parties and people weren't exactly banging down their door to engage in social relations in public with them.

But Skye? THAT friggin' hot? Oh helllllllll no. Everyone with a penis - and a few without - would want to be seen with her. Everywhere, as much as possible. Especially if their ex is there. She'd get invited to all the parties, or at least her fair share. She'd have friends and BF's and girls' nights, and kiss a boy at the annual cornhusk dance and etc.... Someone that pretty will just not live the life that would both encourage AND enable her to have the free time to develop skills to the level they've attributed to her character.

Or at least, for every 1 Skye there'd be 50,000 ugly, socially maladjusted  maladjusted weirdos as good or better.


I don't have anything to add, I just love this post.

/carry on
 
2013-10-30 10:01:46 AM  

BullBearMS: aendeuryu: Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired.

Firefly SUCKED!

What was with the hot chick engineer???

Hot chicks can't be engineers.


She was a regular old mechanic wasn't she? Not some super duper savant.
 
2013-10-30 10:47:49 AM  
I like the show but it needs some super hero and/or super villain crossovers... and not heroes or villains that they make up for the show. They need to have known characters from the comics.
 
2013-10-30 10:55:09 AM  

highbrow45: I like the show but it needs some super hero and/or super villain crossovers... and not heroes or villains that they make up for the show. They need to have known characters from the comics.


Technically both "super villains" have been from the comics.  Graviton is a big one that even I know and I'm far from a Marvel fan.  And Scorch from last episode has comic roots.

How they have been handled is what separates AoS from Arrow though.  Black Arrow/Malcolm was a villain that was well constructed, acted, and motivated with an actual backstory deeper than any of the heroes of AoS.

Deathstroke is far more interesting than any of AoS' cast and I think just as many fans are waiting to see how he loses his eye to Oliver as finding out what happened to Coulson.
 
2013-10-30 11:02:56 AM  

ambercat: aendeuryu: Silvyrbug: As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do.

Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired. That was an amazingly well-put-together show. Its cancellation was a crime against culture.

Honestly, I don't think Whedon ever recovered from it. Both Dollhouse and SHIELD have the bland aroma of compromise. It's as if he lacked the enthusiasm to commit to the premise, worried that he'll get his heart broken, assuming his heart is even in it in the first place.

Well, Firefly was originally aired out of order though, so it DID take audiences a while to figure out wtf was happening, but for once that wasn't Whedon's fault. That's what the true crime was. Sometimes it just amazes me what blatantly stupid scheduling decisions people make.


I watched it as it aired.  The only people that it would take a while to figure out what was going on would be complete dummies.  The first aired episode did a great job of introducing the characters and showcasing their personalities without long build up.  It set the hook.  What killed it was pushing airdates and the timeslot.
 
2013-10-30 01:24:09 PM  
killeroflight : What killed it was pushing airdates and the timeslot.

I didn't care for it.

// airdates and timeslots don't matter ... I have a tivo (and have had Tivos for over a decade).

// for me, it was the whole western and asian fusion and the juxtaposition of low tech vs high tech that lead to all sorts of oddities that grated on me.

For example.

www.pinkraygun.com

Farscape and Stargate were still on the air at that time as well, so firefly didn't make my cut (I didn't watch the episodes I had recorded on the tivo until several months after the show had already been canceled).
 
2013-10-30 01:47:17 PM  

Ringshadow: This is really simple.

This show is not for the uninitiated. This show is for MCU fans. Not just Marvel comic fans, specifically, MCU. MCU is not 616, and I hope to god it never is (I recently got back into comic books and oh my god is IIM depressing).

This show is because the fandom denied Agent Coulson back to life, so they gave Clark Gregg a TV show. Which is awesome. But if you don't like MCU, you're not welcome here. The show is not for you. It's for bandwagon riders only.


No, it's not for MCU fans, either. Because this SHIELD isn't the SHIELD in the comics, or even the movies. This is the Scooby Doo team with a budget appropriated from the Department of Homeland Security.

This is a world in which a trained SHIELD operative is rewarded for his death with a plane and license to get together an acquisitions team, and who somehow fills his few allowed spots with two nerd-cute scientists whose roles could have been filled with an occasional conference call with Headquarters, a known double-agent hacker who was hired specifically because she isn't drinking the organizational kool-aid (which, interestingly, Coulson forgot when he got mad at her for cavorting with the enemy organization he knew she was a member of), one actual competent spy with the personality of an ironing board, and one experienced combatant/pilot who's "got two weeks to go til retirement" and is getting too old for this shiat.

I've never seen anything in the MCU that implies that SHIELD has that amount of incompetence and whimsy as one of its organizational values. When dealing with ancient artifacts that could destroy the world, or with exploding supervillains and the evil organization that wants to keep making them, the CIA doesn't send Agent Hooptydoo and the Getalong Gang; they send hard pipe-hitting motherfarkers who know what they're doing from the get-go.

This isn't the MCU. It's a geek-twee "We're all ok" nerdgasm version. It's the live-action version of those 80s cartoons meant to sell toys. The MCU at least pays a little homage to the world of interdiction, espionage, and logistics (division), where as the greatest evil this team faces is its members' resistance to becoming a family.

//should be running back to back with Supernatural on CW in my opinion

Supernatural is gasping out its final breaths. I'm a fan from way back, and I loved the brothers, monsters, bullets, cars, and classic rock tone of the show. Now it's the "Dean keeps a secret from Sam while angels do all the cool stuff" show. Though I'd be in favor of SHIELD following it so they can huddle with each other as the lights go out on both shows.
 
2013-10-30 03:01:36 PM  
Sheild isn't great but it's growing on me. The two biggest superficial complaints here are stupid.

1) Skye is too pretty/normal.
Shut the hell up. A) it's TV. B) her parent's disappearance involved Sheild meaning either THEY had powers or SHE had powers - and there's already been a reference to her being 'weird good' with computers. Is it THAT big a stretch to imagine she's the Tony Stark of hackers? He's a genius playboy philanthropist but she's too pretty? C) the living in a van thing is hinted at as a way to as being related to both a cover for getting into sheild and a thing she did as a young woman with a boy. People adjust their lives as a teen/early 20's person all the time based on relationships.

2) SHEILD isn't secret! They have Decals!!! No shiat. Iron Man, Thor and the Hulk aren't exactly secrets either after aliens attacked NYC. That's kind if the whole premise of the show.


Also, I enjoy Arrow, but let's be honest. The main character can't really act, and the dialogue is pretty terrible everytime he waxes philosophic or comic heroey. Which is like half the show.
 
2013-10-30 03:20:16 PM  

hammer85: Deathstroke is far more interesting than any of AoS' cast and I think just as many fans are waiting to see how he loses his eye to Oliver as finding out what happened to Coulson.


Not to get all spoilery but in the last episode there was a shot of him with what looked like half of his face on fire.
 
2013-10-30 03:53:31 PM  

lordargent: killeroflight : What killed it was pushing airdates and the timeslot.

I didn't care for it.

// airdates and timeslots don't matter ... I have a tivo (and have had Tivos for over a decade).

// for me, it was the whole western and asian fusion and the juxtaposition of low tech vs high tech that lead to all sorts of oddities that grated on me.

For example.

[www.pinkraygun.com image 480x270]

Farscape and Stargate were still on the air at that time as well, so firefly didn't make my cut (I didn't watch the episodes I had recorded on the tivo until several months after the show had already been canceled).


The fusion I found fascinating.  So that helped reel me in, but to each their own.

I lacked tivo so watched live, actually recorded Farscape and Invisible Man on VHS when I could not watch them live.  I do not miss VHS, but I do miss good series on SciFi.
 
2013-10-30 04:56:43 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "where people feel compelled to watch live or risk missing out on what people will be excitedly discussing the next day."

Is this even a thing? I've heard the expression "water cooler show" before and have always wondered. In all my years I can't ever remember people standing around at work discussing what TV show they watched the night before, unless it was something like "Hey, do anything last night?" "Not really, just sat on my ass watching TV."

I could see this happening 40 years ago when there were only 3 stations to watch, but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?


Breaking Bad.
 
2013-10-30 05:04:46 PM  

bwesb: I think of the show as a lot like it's hottest star, Lola.

[www.esquire.com image 614x345]

Classically nuanced, well-balanced, expertly-crafted and certainly aesthetically pleasing but then they go and do something stupid like this....

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 720x404]


inorite?  They're just making stuff up for the TV show.  You'd never find that in the comic books.  Not in say, 1967.

geekmom.com

But that's the comics.  You'd never see a flying car in the Marvel cinematic universe, even as far back as 1943.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-10-30 06:21:57 PM  

aendeuryu: Silvyrbug: As with most Joss TV shows...it needs time to get some good momentum...something shows like firefly never got a chance to do.

Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired. That was an amazingly well-put-together show. Its cancellation was a crime against culture.

Honestly, I don't think Whedon ever recovered from it. Both Dollhouse and SHIELD have the bland aroma of compromise. It's as if he lacked the enthusiasm to commit to the premise, worried that he'll get his heart broken, assuming his heart is even in it in the first place.


True, but that was likely because Whedon got to air out some of the elements of Firefly in Alien Resurrection.  The hijacking crew is essentially a prototype Serenity crew...
 
2013-10-30 06:41:18 PM  

goatleggedfellow: I still don't get how anyone in their right mind would expect to see this show last a full season.


Uh, maybe because it's on ABC which is owned by Disney and is tied to their multi-billion dollar movie franchise?
 
2013-10-30 06:47:15 PM  
Ringshadow:

Okay, that's awesome.
 
2013-10-30 06:58:47 PM  

Ringshadow: This is really simple.

This show is not for the uninitiated. This show is for MCU fans. Not just Marvel comic fans, specifically, MCU. MCU is not 616, and I hope to god it never is (I recently got back into comic books and oh my god is IIM depressing).

This show is because the fandom denied Agent Coulson back to life, so they gave Clark Gregg a TV show. Which is awesome. But if you don't like MCU, you're not welcome here. The show is not for you. It's for bandwagon riders only.

Signed, knowing bandwagon owner and Coulson Crossplayer.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x750]

/get out of my fandom, haters
//I don't come to your fandom and knock over the furniture
///tumblr roleplayer, crossplayer, will be going as Coulson to Thor 2
/if anything my complaint is that AoS is on the wrong channel and not in good company
//should be running back to back with Supernatural on CW in my opinion



1. I'm a massive MCU (Universe 199999) fan (seen every movie many times, own them all, can point out Easter eggs left and right), and a I've been Marvel zombie since the 1970s.

2. It's not YOUR fandom.

3. Playing dress-up does not make it yours, either. If anything, it weakens your legitimacy as a fan in my opinion. You dress up to draw attention to yourself; Not to draw attention to the MCU.

4. You're right about AoS belonging on CW... And that's not a good thing!  The CW is crap.

5. AoS is doing a damned good job of  tarnishing and dumbing-down the MCU. Skye is less believable than anything in the 616, and less likable than anyone in any of Marvel's universes... Even the X-Babies are less annoying than Skye and her magical cell phone.

6. The show is not because the fandom denied Coulson back to life. They've had this show in the works since before Avengers hit theaters. His apparent demise in Avengers was just one of Joss Whedon's standard tropes. He HAD to kill off someone, and he had nobody else of value to kill without damaging the ending of the movie.

7. All this said: I am leaning toward disliking this show because it's being run poorly,  and I want to like it. I want it to represent the MCU properly, but all we're getting here is a bad amalgam of Torchwood and Dollhouse/Buffy/Firefly, with bland performances, bad stories, and unlikable, cliche characters that pale in comparison to even the background characters in MCU movies. Half of the problem is that the only two people on the show who can act worth a damn are playing the two most vague characters: Coulson and May.

We did not want a show called Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to feature a ragtag band of misfits who spew snarky one-liners and solve every week's mystery/crisis by way of Skye's deus ex hacker magic and her breasts.

The show is bordering on insulting. If you like it, I can only assume you're well under 30 because it is definitely not catering to most adult fans of the show. It's getting to be about as childish as Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers (though sexed up a bit), and that's not a good thing.

 All I can really say is that 60% of the problem is obviously the casting-- Especially Skye, who is so glaringly awful that she makes Cousin Oliver from  The Brady Bunch seem like Daryl from  The Walking Dead.
 
2013-10-30 07:02:47 PM  

Neeek: BullBearMS: aendeuryu: Firefly never needed to "find" itself. It knew what it was before the first episode was aired.

Firefly SUCKED!

What was with the hot chick engineer???

Hot chicks can't be engineers.

Kaylee wasn't hot. She was farking adorable. She made you want to hug the world.


Kaylee's forced, contrived "adorableness" was part of the reason I disliked that show. How can the audience NOT know when they're being condescended to like that?
 
2013-10-30 07:08:39 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Especially Skye, who is so glaringly awful that she makes Cousin Oliver from  The Brady Bunch seem like Daryl from  The Walking Dead.


Here she is singing in Chinese.

fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net

You're welcome ;)
 
2013-10-30 07:09:47 PM  
I do wonder about Farkers sometimes. Instant complaints about  another AoS thread, but those threads tend to be long, so Farkers clearly don't mind discussing it. I didn't watch Breaking Bad, but I know those threads were hugely popular. We're they full of people biatching about their existence too?

I gave up on Arrow within a handful of episodes because it was a soap opera. Are the people saying its great fans of that kind of thing, or has it changed and dumped the soap opera? If the latter is the case, where can I hook back in to avoid the boring?

As a Coulson fan, I'm trying to give AoS the benefit of the doubt for the moment because there have been aspects of each episode that I've liked. If they could hook up several of these in every episode, I'd be sold. I did finally want to slap Skye in that last episode though. STOP WHINING! YOU GOT CAUGHT! DEAL WITH IT, DON'T WHINGE! Other than that I think I'm dealing with it well.
 
2013-10-30 07:13:15 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: ReapTheChaos: "where people feel compelled to watch live or risk missing out on what people will be excitedly discussing the next day."

Is this even a thing? I've heard the expression "water cooler show" before and have always wondered. In all my years I can't ever remember people standing around at work discussing what TV show they watched the night before, unless it was something like "Hey, do anything last night?" "Not really, just sat on my ass watching TV."

I could see this happening 40 years ago when there were only 3 stations to watch, but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?

Breaking Bad.


I don't know a single person who watches that show.
 
2013-10-30 07:14:13 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: I've never seen anything in the MCU that implies that SHIELD has that amount of incompetence and whimsy as one of its organizational values. When dealing with ancient artifacts that could destroy the world, or with exploding supervillains and the evil organization that wants to keep making them, the CIA doesn't send Agent Hooptydoo and the Getalong Gang; they send hard pipe-hitting motherfarkers who know what they're doing from the get-go.



This is just awesome, and sums it up perfectly.
 
2013-10-30 07:17:28 PM  

Deneb81: The two biggest superficial complaints here are stupid.


Man, you don't even understand either of the complaints you're criticizing. The problem with Skye has been adequately explained in this thread a number of times - I'm just gonna quote myself here:

Gunther: the problem isn't that she's hot, it's that she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lived in a van and was raised in an orphanage... yet she presents herself with perfect hair/makeup/clothes and the personality of a popular upper-middle-class sorority sister...It's like if a show had an investment banker who looked and acted like a hobo. It's not impossible, but it is the sort of thing that they need to acknowledge in-show as odd.


There are plenty of shows with pretty female hackers that don't have fans complaining about the character - Felicity on Arrow has already been brought up (absurdly hot, but also geeky enough for the audience to buy her as a hacker), but I'm gonna add Root from Person of Interest and Claudia from W13. The former even has the whole "perfect hair/makeup/clothes" thing going on, and it works for the character because she's supposed to be a sociopath trying to pass for "normal".

As for the "is SHIELD secret or isn't it?" thing, people are asking because we genuinely don't know how that works. They seemed to be a secret organization normal people didn't know about of in the pilot (J August Richard's character hadn't heard of them), yet they drive around in SUVs with their name stenciled on the side. It's inconsistently handled.
 
2013-10-30 07:23:14 PM  

fusillade762: ZeroCorpse: Especially Skye, who is so glaringly awful that she makes Cousin Oliver from  The Brady Bunch seem like Daryl from  The Walking Dead.

Here she is singing in Chinese.

[fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net image 480x384]

You're welcome ;)


Wow. I can't dislike that hard enough. Terrible autotuned Chinese pop music is no better than terrible autotuned American pop music.

And I don't really find her all that attractive. She's too young for me to care. I'm old enough to be her father, so the whole "sex appeal" angle is ignored. She's also too sorority girl preppy for me. I'm fairly certain I'd dislike her as a person just as much as I dislike her as an actress and singer.

I get that Whedon likes to put preppy sorority girls in these non-traditional roles (see "Buffy") but in the case of Skye, it simply doesn't work. I'd have preferred someone who looks the part, acts the part, and doesn't annoy the holy piss out of me.
 
2013-10-30 07:45:40 PM  

Gunther: Gunther: the problem isn't that she's hot, it's that she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lived in a van and was raised in an orphanage... yet she presents herself with perfect hair/makeup/clothes and the personality of a popular upper-middle-class sorority sister...It's like if a show had an investment banker who looked and acted like a hobo. It's not impossible, but it is the sort of thing that they need to acknowledge in-show as odd.

There are plenty of shows with pretty female hackers that don't have fans complaining about the character - Felicity on Arrow has already been brought up (absurdly hot, but also geeky enough for the audience to buy her as a hacker), but I'm gonna add Root from Person of Interest and Claudia from W13. The former even has the whole "perfect hair/makeup/clothes" thing going on, and it works for the character because she's supposed to be a sociopath trying to pass for "normal".


You know, I was having a problem figuring out what exactly it was about Skye that bugged me and you nailed it. Felicity and Claudia are both hot but you can see in their personalities and their personal tastes that they're a bit dorky/nerdy, and Felicity has the whole socially awkward babbling unintentional innuendos going on.
 
2013-10-30 08:00:35 PM  

Gunther: Deneb81: The two biggest superficial complaints here are stupid.

Man, you don't even understand either of the complaints you're criticizing. The problem with Skye has been adequately explained in this thread a number of times - I'm just gonna quote myself here:

Gunther: the problem isn't that she's hot, it's that she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lived in a van and was raised in an orphanage... yet she presents herself with perfect hair/makeup/clothes and the personality of a popular upper-middle-class sorority sister...It's like if a show had an investment banker who looked and acted like a hobo. It's not impossible, but it is the sort of thing that they need to acknowledge in-show as odd.

There are plenty of shows with pretty female hackers that don't have fans complaining about the character - Felicity on Arrow has already been brought up (absurdly hot, but also geeky enough for the audience to buy her as a hacker), but I'm gonna add Root from Person of Interest and Claudia from W13. The former even has the whole "perfect hair/makeup/clothes" thing going on, and it works for the character because she's supposed to be a sociopath trying to pass for "normal".

As for the "is SHIELD secret or isn't it?" thing, people are asking because we genuinely don't know how that works. They seemed to be a secret organization normal people didn't know about of in the pilot (J August Richard's character hadn't heard of them), yet they drive around in SUVs with their name stenciled on the side. It's inconsistently handled.


Actually I think the issue here isn't so much that it's inconsistently handled, it's that everyone is projecting the initial expectation that the agency itself is completely shadowy and secret and non existent and are actively resisting all indications that it isn't the case.  Heck if we go back to the original Iron Man, Coulson states what the name of his agency is, he's not hiding it or anything, there seems to be a viewer disconnect between the existence of an agency that does secret things, and a secret agency that no one knows about.  Honestly, in the real world if you go back several months before the all the hacking I would bet that if you asked 50% of the US population "who is the NSA?" they would respond with either "Is that like the CIA?" or more likely "The astronauts"

Also, NCIS example works here as well, heck if you clock back to the first couple seasons of NCIS half the time they say "We're from NCIS" the response is "Who?"
 
2013-10-30 08:15:35 PM  

Mad_Radhu: skyotter: eddievercetti: Again, replace Skye and Roll Fizzlebeef with a C or B grade superhero.

yeah!  like Monica Rambeau.  or Aaron Stack.  or Tabby Smith.  or ...

I think they'll have to save that for the next wave of Marvel shows.


The Hoff to play Dirk Anger.

Well not really "play", more just be himself and repeat some lines.
 
2013-10-30 09:51:27 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Slaves2Darkness: ReapTheChaos: "where people feel compelled to watch live or risk missing out on what people will be excitedly discussing the next day."

Is this even a thing? I've heard the expression "water cooler show" before and have always wondered. In all my years I can't ever remember people standing around at work discussing what TV show they watched the night before, unless it was something like "Hey, do anything last night?" "Not really, just sat on my ass watching TV."

I could see this happening 40 years ago when there were only 3 stations to watch, but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?

Breaking Bad.

I don't know a single person who watches that show.


Never noticed the Walking Dead discussion threads here?  You know, the ones that regularly get 400+ posts?
 
2013-10-30 10:18:07 PM  

ReapTheChaos: but with 100+ channels out there what are the odds of anyone watching the same show?


Big Bang Theory: from 8million viewers their 1st season to 18 million in season 6.
NCIS: steady at c. 20M viewers the past several seasons.

So, yeah: put out there something people wanna watch and people will watch it. Put out a crapfest with bland characters and bland actors who happen to be attractive, and you'll get a few looky-loos but fail ultimately.

/am not referring to Ming-Na
 
2013-10-30 11:34:49 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: I've never seen anything in the MCU that implies that SHIELD has that amount of incompetence and whimsy as one of its organizational values. When dealing with ancient artifacts that could destroy the world, or with exploding supervillains and the evil organization that wants to keep making them, the CIA doesn't send Agent Hooptydoo and the Getalong Gang; they send hard pipe-hitting motherfarkers who know what they're doing from the get-go.


The problem is that the world has changed and the CIA's big boy missions aren't that big anymore.  While the CIA is sending the pipe-hitters to track down the stolen microfilm containing the plans to America's latest rocket, SHIELD is figuring out how to keep Ronan the Accuser from integrating Earth into the Kree Empire.
 
2013-10-31 12:49:52 AM  

fusillade762: ZeroCorpse: Especially Skye, who is so glaringly awful that she makes Cousin Oliver from  The Brady Bunch seem like Daryl from  The Walking Dead.

Here she is singing in Chinese.

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You're welcome ;)


Well, that's her, all right.  But then today seems to be one of the days my work PC doesn't have sound.. about 2/3rds of the time, I don't know why that is.
 
2013-10-31 01:19:12 AM  

fusillade762: goatleggedfellow: I still don't get how anyone in their right mind would expect to see this show last a full season.

Uh, maybe because it's on ABC which is owned by Disney which also owns Marvel and is tied to their multi-billion dollar movie franchise?


Sooo....stubbornness on behalf of the corporation?

I understand they've got reasons for wanting the show to be there. I'm just shaky on the odds of it being good in its own right. It feels too much like a franchising over-reach.
 
2013-10-31 01:25:27 AM  

goatleggedfellow: fusillade762: goatleggedfellow: I still don't get how anyone in their right mind would expect to see this show last a full season.

Uh, maybe because it's on ABC which is owned by Disney which also owns Marvel and is tied to their multi-billion dollar movie franchise?

Sooo....stubbornness on behalf of the corporation?

I understand they've got reasons for wanting the show to be there. I'm just shaky on the odds of it being good in its own right. It feels too much like a franchising over-reach.


One word: synergy. Even if the ratings suck ABC can use the show as an hourlong ad for upcoming MCU movies.
 
2013-10-31 02:06:40 AM  

Mentat: ExcedrinHeadache: I've never seen anything in the MCU that implies that SHIELD has that amount of incompetence and whimsy as one of its organizational values. When dealing with ancient artifacts that could destroy the world, or with exploding supervillains and the evil organization that wants to keep making them, the CIA doesn't send Agent Hooptydoo and the Getalong Gang; they send hard pipe-hitting motherfarkers who know what they're doing from the get-go.

The problem is that the world has changed and the CIA's big boy missions aren't that big anymore.  While the CIA is sending the pipe-hitters to track down the stolen microfilm containing the plans to America's latest rocket, SHIELD is figuring out how to keep Ronan the Accuser from integrating Earth into the Kree Empire.


Well, they have the Avengers Initiative for that, but that's even more reason not to hire the Scooby Gang to do covert ops for you.
 
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