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2013-10-29 09:28:04 AM
If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.
 
2013-10-29 09:51:26 AM
We need more files that say "Plans for America", and "Schematics of WH". Then fill those folders up with viruses.

Don't blame me for getting my understanding of cyber espionage from 80s films.
 
2013-10-29 10:02:38 AM

jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.


I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.
 
2013-10-29 10:13:58 AM

vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.


Unless you're harking back 70 years to WWII (when we weren't allies) or 40 years to East Germany (when we weren't allies of that bit) then "NO, they have never spied on their allies!"

Next question?
 
2013-10-29 10:20:24 AM

jamspoon: vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.

Unless you're harking back 70 years to WWII (when we weren't allies) or 40 years to East Germany (when we weren't allies of that bit) then "NO, they have never spied on their allies!"

Next question?


Nope. I'm talking now. Today. Everyone spies on everyone else, even their closest allies. It's not malevolent spying mind you. The goal isn't to bring down the other country. But countries are always negotiating things with each other and they want to know they're not getting screwed. Generally, when discovered between allies, it's quietly handled with a grin and a handshake and people quietly encouraged to return home and never come back. But when it's public, you have to make all kinds of protests and so on for public consumption.

Frankly, it's dangerously naïve for Germany to assume France isn't spying on them. Or Poland. Or Austria. Or the US. And it'd be equally silly to think Germany's too stupid to know that and not spy in return.
 
2013-10-29 10:25:57 AM

jamspoon: vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.

Unless you're harking back 70 years to WWII (when we weren't allies) or 40 years to East Germany (when we weren't allies of that bit) then "NO, they have never spied on their allies!"

Next question?


You seem awfully sure of that. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst :

"In the beginning of 2008, it was revealed that the BND had managed to recruit excellent sources within Liechtenstein banks and had been conducting espionage operations in the principality since the beginning of 2000s."

Liechtenstein is not a German ally?
 
2013-10-29 11:11:35 AM

vygramul: jamspoon: vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.

Unless you're harking back 70 years to WWII (when we weren't allies) or 40 years to East Germany (when we weren't allies of that bit) then "NO, they have never spied on their allies!"

Next question?

Nope. I'm talking now. Today. Everyone spies on everyone else, even their closest allies. It's not malevolent spying mind you. The goal isn't to bring down the other country. But countries are always negotiating things with each other and they want to know they're not getting screwed. Generally, when discovered between allies, it's quietly handled with a grin and a handshake and people quietly encouraged to return home and never come back. But when it's public, you have to make all kinds of protests and so on for public consumption.

Frankly, it's dangerously naïve for Germany to assume France isn't spying on them. Or Poland. Or Austria. Or the US. And it'd be equally silly to think Germany's too stupid to know that and not spy in return.


France is actually very aggressive when it comes to intelligence.  So is Israel.  Everyone does in fact spy on everyone, some more than others, but everyone does it.  Travel once for the government to get those generic pre-travel briefs they are required to give and your eyes will be opened quite a bit as to the realities of modern day spy vs. spy.
 
2013-10-29 11:13:26 AM
I'm a naive libtard that actually believes the US is the only country in the world that spies on anyone and thinks that everyone in Europe dances around campfires singing retard lib songs and all of them have 0 spies and it'd be way better to live over there cuz I went on vacation there once for 3 days and it was way better than living here which is all the evidence I need for moving and I'm outta here in a few weeks and there's no way it'll suck cuz vacations and living somewhere are the exact same thing
 
2013-10-29 11:15:14 AM
* USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *
Europe: "Stop spying on us. Not cool USA."
USA: "OK fine we've decided to stop spying on you guys."
* USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *
 
2013-10-29 11:16:22 AM

falcon176: I'm a naive libtard that actually believes the US is the only country in the world that spies on anyone and thinks that everyone in Europe dances around campfires singing retard lib songs and all of them have 0 spies and it'd be way better to live over there cuz I went on vacation there once for 3 days and it was way better than living here which is all the evidence I need for moving and I'm outta here in a few weeks and there's no way it'll suck cuz vacations and living somewhere are the exact same thing


Well. You got the tard part correct.
 
2013-10-29 11:19:03 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: vygramul: jamspoon: vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.

Unless you're harking back 70 years to WWII (when we weren't allies) or 40 years to East Germany (when we weren't allies of that bit) then "NO, they have never spied on their allies!"

Next question?

Nope. I'm talking now. Today. Everyone spies on everyone else, even their closest allies. It's not malevolent spying mind you. The goal isn't to bring down the other country. But countries are always negotiating things with each other and they want to know they're not getting screwed. Generally, when discovered between allies, it's quietly handled with a grin and a handshake and people quietly encouraged to return home and never come back. But when it's public, you have to make all kinds of protests and so on for public consumption.

Frankly, it's dangerously naïve for Germany to assume France isn't spying on them. Or Poland. Or Austria. Or the US. And it'd be equally silly to think Germany's too stupid to know that and not spy in return.

France is actually very aggressive when it comes to intelligence.  So is Israel.  Everyone does in fact spy on everyone, some more than others, but everyone does it.  Travel once for the government to get those generic pre-travel briefs they are required to give and your eyes will be opened quite a bit as to the realities of modern day spy vs. spy.


My wife used to work at the (redacted) embassy in DC. They spy on us. She was the admin asst who sent all the secret spy stuff to (redacted). It is an open secret. She is now a US citizen. Chew on that for a second.
 
2013-10-29 11:20:39 AM

bdub77: * USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *
Europe: "Stop spying on us. Not cool USA."
USA: "OK fine we've decided to stop spying on you guys."
* USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *


Yeah, fark the NSA, but any indignation about it by other countries is disingenuous political theater.  It basically amounts to, "Waaah, you guys are better at these sketchy-ass activities than we are."
 
2013-10-29 11:21:42 AM

vygramul: It's not malevolent spying mind you


I can't believe the sh*t I get to read on Fark.....and it's free!
 
2013-10-29 11:21:53 AM
news.antiwar.com
"Tsk-tsk-tsk.
Spying on one's best allies in the world???
Unbelievable!!!"
 
2013-10-29 11:23:28 AM
Let me see if I have all the salient points.

We spied on Germany's chancellor but it's no big deal because it began under Bush and Obama didn't know anything about it even though it continued during his administration and if you didn't complain about it during Bush you are the worst kind of partisan hack and have no right to complain about it under Obama because he didn't even know, though you were supposed to know something the president didn't even know and what's the big deal anyway, spying has been going on forever and allies expect it so ignore the Eurotrash outrage.

So, spying on our friends is good. Especially if you don't even know about it.
 
2013-10-29 11:23:40 AM

TrollingForColumbine: Wicked Chinchilla: vygramul: jamspoon: vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.

Unless you're harking back 70 years to WWII (when we weren't allies) or 40 years to East Germany (when we weren't allies of that bit) then "NO, they have never spied on their allies!"

Next question?

Nope. I'm talking now. Today. Everyone spies on everyone else, even their closest allies. It's not malevolent spying mind you. The goal isn't to bring down the other country. But countries are always negotiating things with each other and they want to know they're not getting screwed. Generally, when discovered between allies, it's quietly handled with a grin and a handshake and people quietly encouraged to return home and never come back. But when it's public, you have to make all kinds of protests and so on for public consumption.

Frankly, it's dangerously naïve for Germany to assume France isn't spying on them. Or Poland. Or Austria. Or the US. And it'd be equally silly to think Germany's too stupid to know that and not spy in return.

France is actually very aggressive when it comes to intelligence.  So is Israel.  Everyone does in fact spy on everyone, some more than others, but everyone does it.  Travel once for the government to get those generic pre-travel briefs they are required to give and your eyes will be opened quite a bit as to the realities of modern day spy vs. spy.

My wife used to work at the (redacted) embassy in DC. They spy on us. She was the admin asst who sent all the secret spy stuff to (redacted). It is an open secret. She is now a US citizen. Chew on that for a second.


Oh, yes. I imagine it's standard procedure for the various intelligence agencies to know who's actually who at the various embassies. But it's ok, because we know they know. And they know we know they know. It's all a polite fiction.
 
2013-10-29 11:24:12 AM

vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.


Was this comment translated from German?
 
2013-10-29 11:24:59 AM

falcon176: I'm a naive libtard that actually believes the US is the only country in the world that spies on anyone and thinks that everyone in Europe dances around campfires singing retard lib songs and all of them have 0 spies and it'd be way better to live over there cuz I went on vacation there once for 3 days and it was way better than living here which is all the evidence I need for moving and I'm outta here in a few weeks and there's no way it'll suck cuz vacations and living somewhere are the exact same thing


Now that you've had a good cry about it, let's try it again, but with punctuation this time.
 
2013-10-29 11:28:03 AM

Cletus C.: So, spying on our friends is good.


Would it have been OK back when Germany was "old Europe" because they were opposed to the Iraq war?
 
2013-10-29 11:28:06 AM

Cletus C.: Let me see if I have all the salient points.

We spied on Germany's chancellor but it's no big deal because it began under Bush and Obama didn't know anything about it even though it continued during his administration and if you didn't complain about it during Bush you are the worst kind of partisan hack and have no right to complain about it under Obama because he didn't even know, though you were supposed to know something the president didn't even know and what's the big deal anyway, spying has been going on forever and allies expect it so ignore the Eurotrash outrage.

So, spying on our friends is good. Especially if you don't even know about it.


No, the reason this is not a big deal is because everyone does it. There's a quote from an Italian(I think) politician floating around where he basically says "We're not mad that the US is spying, everyone spies. We're mad because they're better at it than us."

But then you've never really been one for finding out the whole story before you jump to demonize liibruhls.
 
2013-10-29 11:28:56 AM
Somebody's nuts are in a bunch, but for a entirely different reason.

  Cameron says may act against press over spy leaks
 
2013-10-29 11:29:20 AM

grumpfuff: Cletus C.: Let me see if I have all the salient points.

We spied on Germany's chancellor but it's no big deal because it began under Bush and Obama didn't know anything about it even though it continued during his administration and if you didn't complain about it during Bush you are the worst kind of partisan hack and have no right to complain about it under Obama because he didn't even know, though you were supposed to know something the president didn't even know and what's the big deal anyway, spying has been going on forever and allies expect it so ignore the Eurotrash outrage.

So, spying on our friends is good. Especially if you don't even know about it.

No, the reason this is not a big deal is because everyone does it. There's a quote from an Italian(I think) politician floating around where he basically says "We're not mad that the US is spying, everyone spies. We're mad because they're better at it than us."

But then you've never really been one for finding out the whole story before you jump to demonize liibruhls.


Why is Obama so insistent it must stop? Did he not get your memo?
 
2013-10-29 11:29:32 AM

jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.


Congrats. You made the household budget analogy seem apt by comparison.
 
2013-10-29 11:33:18 AM

Cletus C.: grumpfuff: Cletus C.: Let me see if I have all the salient points.

We spied on Germany's chancellor but it's no big deal because it began under Bush and Obama didn't know anything about it even though it continued during his administration and if you didn't complain about it during Bush you are the worst kind of partisan hack and have no right to complain about it under Obama because he didn't even know, though you were supposed to know something the president didn't even know and what's the big deal anyway, spying has been going on forever and allies expect it so ignore the Eurotrash outrage.

So, spying on our friends is good. Especially if you don't even know about it.

No, the reason this is not a big deal is because everyone does it. There's a quote from an Italian(I think) politician floating around where he basically says "We're not mad that the US is spying, everyone spies. We're mad because they're better at it than us."

But then you've never really been one for finding out the whole story before you jump to demonize liibruhls.

Why is Obama so insistent it must stop? Did he not get your memo?


Because, as previously mentioned in this thread, when discussing it in public, ALL politicians say "Of course it doesn't happen/we must stop it/etc" and then go right back to doing it, except maybe better hidden. This is not a new thing.
 
2013-10-29 11:34:43 AM

jamspoon: Unless you're harking back 70 years to WWII (when we weren't allies) or 40 years to East Germany (when we weren't allies of that bit) then "NO, they have never spied on their allies!"

Next question?



I think a former foreign minister is more credible than you on this subject:

"The magnitude of the eavesdropping is what shocked us," Bernard Kouchner said Tuesday in a radio interview. "Let's be honest, we eavesdrop too. Everyone is listening to everyone else. But we don't have the same means as the United States, which makes us jealous. "

http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/let-s-be-honest-we-eavesdrop-too-form er -french-foreign-minister-on-nsa-spying-claims-1.1509912

All this false indignation to hide jealousy over the capabilities of the NSA.
 
2013-10-29 11:34:53 AM

grumpfuff: Cletus C.: grumpfuff: Cletus C.: Let me see if I have all the salient points.

We spied on Germany's chancellor but it's no big deal because it began under Bush and Obama didn't know anything about it even though it continued during his administration and if you didn't complain about it during Bush you are the worst kind of partisan hack and have no right to complain about it under Obama because he didn't even know, though you were supposed to know something the president didn't even know and what's the big deal anyway, spying has been going on forever and allies expect it so ignore the Eurotrash outrage.

So, spying on our friends is good. Especially if you don't even know about it.

No, the reason this is not a big deal is because everyone does it. There's a quote from an Italian(I think) politician floating around where he basically says "We're not mad that the US is spying, everyone spies. We're mad because they're better at it than us."

But then you've never really been one for finding out the whole story before you jump to demonize liibruhls.

Why is Obama so insistent it must stop? Did he not get your memo?

Because, as previously mentioned in this thread, when discussing it in public, ALL politicians say "Of course it doesn't happen/we must stop it/etc" and then go right back to doing it, except maybe better hidden. This is not a new thing.


Lying? But all politicians do it. So move along.
 
2013-10-29 11:36:02 AM
You want to see how a Nobel Peace prize winner was treated?

upload.wikimedia.org

Carl von Ossietzky  told the world about Nazi Germany's illegal secret rearmament. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1935. He was killed in 1938 after the Gestapo placed him in a concentration camp with untreated tuberculosis. His whistleblowing encouraged rearmament movements in countries opposed to Nazi Germany. BTW, while in custody of the Gestapo he publicly refused to follow Hermann Goering's orders that told him to refuse to accept the prize.

The reason why we spy all the time everywhere is because if we want our team on top we have to watch the competition very closely and influence the competition very thoroughly. Last time I checked, Europe was still on the side we are on.
 
2013-10-29 11:37:43 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: You want to see how a Nobel Peace prize winner was treated?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 559x799]

Carl von Ossietzky  told the world about Nazi Germany's illegal secret rearmament. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1935. He was killed in 1938 after the Gestapo placed him in a concentration camp with untreated tuberculosis. His whistleblowing encouraged rearmament movements in countries opposed to Nazi Germany. BTW, while in custody of the Gestapo he publicly refused to follow Hermann Goering's orders that told him to refuse to accept the prize.

The reason why we spy all the time everywhere is because if we want our team on top we have to watch the competition very closely and influence the competition very thoroughly. Last time I checked, Europe was still on the side we are on.


And let's be honest, it was Robert DeNiro's best role.
 
2013-10-29 11:38:35 AM

Cletus C.: Why is Obama so insistent it must stop? Did he not get your memo?



When you have a grease-fire on your grill that's gotten out of hand sometimes it makes sense to turn off the gas, clean things off, and then start it back up again.
 
2013-10-29 11:43:00 AM

The Muthaship: vygramul: It's not malevolent spying mind you

I can't believe the sh*t I get to read on Fark.....and it's free!


You can't tell the difference between someone who wants to kill you and someone who's trying to find out how much you're willing to bid on a property in Monopoly?
 
2013-10-29 11:43:06 AM

Cletus C.: Let me see if I have all the salient points.

We spied on Germany's chancellor but it's no big deal because it began under Bush and Obama didn't know anything about it even though it continued during his administration and if you didn't complain about it during Bush you are the worst kind of partisan hack and have no right to complain about it under Obama because he didn't even know, though you were supposed to know something the president didn't even know and what's the big deal anyway, spying has been going on forever and allies expect it so ignore the Eurotrash outrage.

So, spying on our friends is good. Especially if you don't even know about it.


As usual, your comprehension of the issues is potato/troll percent. You do get some props for using the term Eurotrash.
 
2013-10-29 11:44:25 AM

jamspoon: vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.

Unless you're harking back 70 years to WWII (when we weren't allies) or 40 years to East Germany (when we weren't allies of that bit) then "NO, they have never spied on their allies!"

Next question?


I have some nice swampland you might like to buy...
 
2013-10-29 11:45:49 AM

bdub77: TheShavingofOccam123: You want to see how a Nobel Peace prize winner was treated?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 559x799]

Carl von Ossietzky  told the world about Nazi Germany's illegal secret rearmament. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1935. He was killed in 1938 after the Gestapo placed him in a concentration camp with untreated tuberculosis. His whistleblowing encouraged rearmament movements in countries opposed to Nazi Germany. BTW, while in custody of the Gestapo he publicly refused to follow Hermann Goering's orders that told him to refuse to accept the prize.

The reason why we spy all the time everywhere is because if we want our team on top we have to watch the competition very closely and influence the competition very thoroughly. Last time I checked, Europe was still on the side we are on.

And let's be honest, it was Robert DeNiro's best role.


Ein bisschen...ein bisschen...
 
2013-10-29 11:50:09 AM

qorkfiend: TrollingForColumbine: Wicked Chinchilla: vygramul: jamspoon: vygramul: jamspoon: Oh, yes. I imagine it's standard procedure for the various intelligence agencies to know who's actually who at the various embassies. But it's ok, because we know they know. And they know we know they know. It's all a polite fiction.



Yup.  Its like a weird special form of Chivalry.  Everyone knows everyone is doing it.  In fact, everyone knows 95% of the people who are actually doing the spying, where they are stationed, etc.  We just tend to not take you out back and shoot you anymore when you get caught in the act.  Sometime in the middle of the cold war everyone realized it got way to expensive and nasty in tit-for-tat intelligence wars to just off people.  Instead you mark them, deport them, and arrest and/or execute their marks.  Its all a friendly little game with potentially deadly consequences for the average joe pawn everyone is trying to court.

/on an unrelated note: the honeypot speech in intel briefings is always by far the most hilarious
 
2013-10-29 11:50:09 AM
It's the farking NSA, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, SPY ON OTHER COUNTRIES.

Spying on our citizens inside our borders, not so much.
 
2013-10-29 11:54:36 AM

Cletus C.: grumpfuff: Cletus C.: grumpfuff: Cletus C.: Let me see if I have all the salient points.

We spied on Germany's chancellor but it's no big deal because it began under Bush and Obama didn't know anything about it even though it continued during his administration and if you didn't complain about it during Bush you are the worst kind of partisan hack and have no right to complain about it under Obama because he didn't even know, though you were supposed to know something the president didn't even know and what's the big deal anyway, spying has been going on forever and allies expect it so ignore the Eurotrash outrage.

So, spying on our friends is good. Especially if you don't even know about it.

No, the reason this is not a big deal is because everyone does it. There's a quote from an Italian(I think) politician floating around where he basically says "We're not mad that the US is spying, everyone spies. We're mad because they're better at it than us."

But then you've never really been one for finding out the whole story before you jump to demonize liibruhls.

Why is Obama so insistent it must stop? Did he not get your memo?

Because, as previously mentioned in this thread, when discussing it in public, ALL politicians say "Of course it doesn't happen/we must stop it/etc" and then go right back to doing it, except maybe better hidden. This is not a new thing.

Lying? But all politicians do it. So move along.


He didn't even mention how many Bothans died bringing us this information. WHAT A DICK!
 
2013-10-29 11:58:54 AM

rcantley:  It basically amounts to, "Waaah, you guys are better at these sketchy-ass activities than we are."


Not really. We got caught.
 
2013-10-29 12:05:09 PM

vygramul: jamspoon: If you were sharing a flat and your flatmate went through your stuff you would not be happy and probably move out.

Works for countries too. If you want to share then leave our private stuff alone America.

I'm sure that Germany has never spies on its allies.


No, I honestly don't think Americans have a clue.

But what matters is that your administration has been hit with a cluebat, and will now only be spying on their own people and their enemies (or is that the same thing to them)?
 
2013-10-29 12:08:09 PM
I think the difference between European countries spying on the US and the US spying on European countries is that the US FARKING GOT CAUGHT.
 
2013-10-29 12:13:11 PM

hinten: I think the difference between European countries spying on the US and the US spying on European countries is that the US FARKING GOT CAUGHT.


The US didn't get caught; the US got outed.
 
2013-10-29 12:14:55 PM

bdub77: * USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *
Europe: "Stop spying on us. Not cool USA."
USA: "OK fine we've decided to stop spying on you guys."
* USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *


This.

It isn't so much the spying, but the "public" knowledge of it.
 
2013-10-29 12:16:31 PM
I'm a nut, hug me!

/I need a hug
 
2013-10-29 12:19:51 PM

hinten: I think the difference between European countries spying on the US and the US spying on European countries is that the US FARKING GOT CAUGHT.


No the difference is the NSA spied on whole countries.  80 million calls in France over a month.

The European governments might be more forgiving than tens of millions of private European citizens who might feel they've kinda been wronged by a country that they thought was their ally.
 
2013-10-29 12:24:12 PM

liam76: bdub77: * USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *
Europe: "Stop spying on us. Not cool USA."
USA: "OK fine we've decided to stop spying on you guys."
* USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *

This.

It isn't so much the spying, but the "public" knowledge of it.


Aye. I've ineffectually tried to craft an analogy between spying and masterbation before: Sure, everyone does it (prima facie), but get caught doing it in public and there's bound to be repercussions.

More so if you get caught at your friend's place.
 
2013-10-29 12:25:45 PM

qorkfiend: hinten: I think the difference between European countries spying on the US and the US spying on European countries is that the US FARKING GOT CAUGHT.

The US didn't get caught; the US got outed.



Your sad attempt at repositioning outs you as a bad marketer or a failure as a politician.
 
2013-10-29 12:27:46 PM

Vanis: liam76: bdub77: * USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *
Europe: "Stop spying on us. Not cool USA."
USA: "OK fine we've decided to stop spying on you guys."
* USA spies on Europe *
* Europe spies on USA *

This.

It isn't so much the spying, but the "public" knowledge of it.

Aye. I've ineffectually tried to craft an analogy between spying and masterbation before: Sure, everyone does it (prima facie), but get caught doing it in public and there's bound to be repercussions.

More so if you get caught at your friend's place.


Nope, I think you got the job done.
 
2013-10-29 12:33:41 PM
Colbert's sex appeal is massive and undeniable.
 
2013-10-29 12:34:40 PM

hinten: qorkfiend: hinten: I think the difference between European countries spying on the US and the US spying on European countries is that the US FARKING GOT CAUGHT.

The US didn't get caught; the US got outed.


Your sad attempt at repositioning outs you as a bad marketer or a failure as a politician.


You think the US was simply caught, as opposed to being revealed?
 
2013-10-29 12:35:34 PM
Europe gets caught spying on the US = US keeps it on the down low because it would make us look weak
US gets caught spying on Europe = Big freaken disaster because Europe wants to looks stronger than they really are
 
2013-10-29 01:19:08 PM
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