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(Poynter Institute)   Despite the pearl-clutching and pants-wetting by the simplistic oprahfied media, bullying is -not- on the rise and it does -not- lead to suicides. Wanna make something of it? I didn't think so, chicken   (poynter.org) divider line 116
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2013-10-29 11:14:48 AM
Suicide notes specifically stating that it was due to bullying complicate this thesis.
 
2013-10-29 11:15:25 AM
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2013-10-29 11:15:26 AM
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2013-10-29 11:15:51 AM
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2013-10-29 11:16:22 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Suicide notes specifically stating that it was due to bullying complicate this thesis.


Because if you tell a kid he's unhappy because he's being bullied, he's unhappy because he's bullied.  A lot of kids are just unhappy - being a kid sucks.
 
2013-10-29 11:16:54 AM
Simple solution to a bully: Beat his ass.

Solved.
 
2013-10-29 11:17:38 AM
It doesn't lead to suicide except when it does.

Same for homicides and mass shootings. Bullying doesn't cause those either except in the cases it does.
 
2013-10-29 11:17:46 AM
Um it's not the direct cause but it pushes them over the edge and isolates them before people can tell there's a problem. So, yeah. It's kind if a problem.

/and kids should learn to not be dicks
 
2013-10-29 11:19:00 AM
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More like POYNTDEXTER!! HA HA HA!!

*gives the Poynter Institute a wedgie*
 
2013-10-29 11:19:31 AM

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2013-10-29 11:20:24 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Simple solution to a bully: Beat his ass.

Solved.


There needs to be an anigif of Ralphie wailin' on Scut Farkas, if there isn't already.
 
2013-10-29 11:20:38 AM
I'm not buying the hypothesis that bullying doesn't lead to suicide.  I've personally spoken to more than a few people who outright admitted having suicidal thoughts specifically due to bullying.
 
2013-10-29 11:21:47 AM

MemeSlave: A lot of kids are just unhappy - being a kid sucks.


Primarily because of bullying.  Or crappy home lives (which is just another form of abuse).  Peer pressure, restricted freedom, and hormonal changes are difficult, yes, but they don't typically leave you with lasting emotional and mental damage.
 
2013-10-29 11:21:54 AM
Teenage drama, self indulgence and narcissism is normal. However, parents enabling such behavior is now a problem.
 
2013-10-29 11:21:57 AM
And to head off future arguments, the butterfly effect isn't about a butterfly directly creating a hurricane. If you can remove bullying from the equation and these kids don't do what they do, it's a cause. Granted, you can't definitively prove that, mental health is a factor as well, but everyone has a breaking point no matter how healthy.
 
2013-10-29 11:22:45 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: HotIgneous Intruder: Simple solution to a bully: Beat his ass.

Solved.

There needs to be an anigif of Ralphie wailin' on Scut Farkas, if there isn't already.


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2013-10-29 11:23:16 AM

MemeSlave: HotWingConspiracy: Suicide notes specifically stating that it was due to bullying complicate this thesis.

Because if you tell a kid he's unhappy because he's being bullied, he's unhappy because he's bullied.  A lot of kids are just unhappy - being a kid sucks.


Or they're being bullied. There's always that.
 
2013-10-29 11:24:06 AM
While perhaps not over all in the general percentage, I would disagree that specific subsets of the culture are seeing this increase. Especially if you also consider cyber harassment as a form of bullying. Also, it's not just the bullying itself, it is the delivery method of the torment from the bully. Now you are not free outside the walls of school, they can follow you on twitter, facebook, etc... and find and torment you everywhere you are 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.

Also I hate farking articles that do this

There is no scientific evidence that bullying causes suicide. None at all. Lots of teenagers get bullied. Very few commit suicide. Among the people who commit suicide, researchers have no good data on how many of them have been bullied.

Huh...farking interesting that jack ass. So lets farking study that shiat and find out, or lets just complain about the stylistic media throw our hands up and say.... fark it!

You're not helping asshole
 
2013-10-29 11:24:27 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Simple solution to a bully: Beat his ass.

Solved.


But who would be the bully then, hrm?
 
2013-10-29 11:24:52 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Suicide notes specifically stating that it was due to bullying complicate this thesis.


Not really. They claim that depression, a mental illness, plays a big part. Typically people suffering mental illness blame their problems on external factors. If a mass murderer claims he went on a killing spree because everyone was possessed by demons, that doesn't make demon possession one of societies problems.
 
2013-10-29 11:25:35 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Simple solution to a bully: Beat his ass.

Solved.


My then 10 yr old son was being bullied by a neighbor's son who was 12 at the time. I had my then 14 yr old son throw a beating on the bully. He hasn't touched another kid in the neighborhood since and that was 2 years ago
 
2013-10-29 11:26:58 AM

rjakobi: HotIgneous Intruder: Simple solution to a bully: Beat his ass.

Solved.

But who would be the bully then, hrm?


No one is above a good ass whipping every now and then
 
2013-10-29 11:27:52 AM

Keeve: HotWingConspiracy: Suicide notes specifically stating that it was due to bullying complicate this thesis.

Not really. They claim that depression, a mental illness, plays a big part. Typically people suffering mental illness blame their problems on external factors. If a mass murderer claims he went on a killing spree because everyone was possessed by demons, that doesn't make demon possession one of societies problems.


That's right, blame the victim!
 
2013-10-29 11:29:04 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: While perhaps not over all in the general percentage, I would disagree that specific subsets of the culture are seeing this increase. Especially if you also consider cyber harassment as a form of bullying. Also, it's not just the bullying itself, it is the delivery method of the torment from the bully. Now you are not free outside the walls of school, they can follow you on twitter, facebook, etc... and find and torment you everywhere you are 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.

Also I hate farking articles that do this

There is no scientific evidence that bullying causes suicide. None at all. Lots of teenagers get bullied. Very few commit suicide. Among the people who commit suicide, researchers have no good data on how many of them have been bullied.

Huh...farking interesting that jack ass. So lets farking study that shiat and find out, or lets just complain about the stylistic media throw our hands up and say.... fark it!

You're not helping asshole


Scientifically unethical to study.   If you knew your test subjects well enough to interview them about bullying, you'd be obligated to intervene regarding potential suicides.  The ethics of the situation would demand intervention.  There's a reason there's no studies, and it's not from lack of sociological interest.
 
2013-10-29 11:29:42 AM

Keeve: HotWingConspiracy: Suicide notes specifically stating that it was due to bullying complicate this thesis.

Not really. They claim that depression, a mental illness, plays a big part. Typically people suffering mental illness blame their problems on external factors. If a mass murderer claims he went on a killing spree because everyone was possessed by demons, that doesn't make demon possession one of societies problems.


Well you see, bullies are real, demons are not.
 
2013-10-29 11:30:06 AM
There is no excuse to defend bullying and bullies. A big problem is that the teachers and administrators won't discipline jocks and popular kids, but will join in on beating down the freaks and geeks. They hate anyone who is not 'the beautiful people" just as much as the kids.
 
2013-10-29 11:30:17 AM
Simple solution to a bully: Beat his ass.

Solved.


It is well known that bullies are typically smaller, weaker, and less popular than other children.

It only stands to reason that attempts at physical violence must solve, rather than compound, the problem.
 
2013-10-29 11:30:34 AM

ikanreed: Scientifically unethical to study. If you knew your test subjects well enough to interview them about bullying, you'd be obligated to intervene regarding potential suicides. The ethics of the situation would demand intervention. There's a reason there's no studies, and it's not from lack of sociological interest.


There are times where one just has to throw ethics out the window
 
2013-10-29 11:30:48 AM
Individual incidents of bullying may not be on the rise, but the ability to publicize it has grown...
 
2013-10-29 11:31:03 AM
That's right, blame the victim!


When the "victim" committed the act, then yes, the blame lies with them.
 
2013-10-29 11:32:46 AM
"Bullying" has reached "terrorism"-level overuse.
 
2013-10-29 11:33:37 AM
a friend of mine is bulimic because she was bullied. she's almost 30 now so she's been throwing up 15 years

and she wasnt enabled by her parents, she wasnt a snowflake, or anything else.

it's just really really hard to deal with when a group of kids want to make your life a misery
 
2013-10-29 11:36:03 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: ikanreed: Scientifically unethical to study. If you knew your test subjects well enough to interview them about bullying, you'd be obligated to intervene regarding potential suicides. The ethics of the situation would demand intervention. There's a reason there's no studies, and it's not from lack of sociological interest.

There are times where one just has to throw ethics out the window


Yes, like an experiment to see just how many jews you can gas.

No wait.  What?
 
2013-10-29 11:37:41 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: While perhaps not over all in the general percentage, I would disagree that specific subsets of the culture are seeing this increase. Especially if you also consider cyber harassment as a form of bullying. Also, it's not just the bullying itself, it is the delivery method of the torment from the bully. Now you are not free outside the walls of school, they can follow you on twitter, facebook, etc... and find and torment you everywhere you are 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.


An thought occurred to me for the first time while reading your post that I found quite ironic.

That the geeks and such that were the previous generations victims of bullying enabled the current generations problems to be that much worse.
 
2013-10-29 11:40:58 AM

ikanreed: Yes, like an experiment to see just how many jews you can gas.

No wait. What?


Lets not too hot under the collar here

seriouslythatwasajokedontbanme

Ranger677: That the geeks and such that were the previous generations victims of bullying enabled the current generations problems to be that much worse.


Now I'm laughing inappropriately.
 
2013-10-29 11:41:00 AM
Just Darwin....
 
2013-10-29 11:41:16 AM
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2013-10-29 11:43:30 AM
What a stupid article.

I was severely depressed during late grade school and all of junior high. I was moderately depressed during high school and a few years after. I really didn't get my shiat together until my late 20s. But the only time I seriously considered suicide was during late grade school and junior high. I was bullied constantly at school by the other kids, and then at home by my older brother. That, coupled with a very rocky marriage between my parents, meant I had literally no safe zone in my life. Go to school, get bullied. Go home, get bullied. Parents get home, they get in a screaming match. I'm sure bullying wasn't the only reason I was suicidal, but it was the bale of straw that broke the camel's back. Fortunately, my one attempt at suicide failed because I was 10 and I didn't understand that I had to put metal into BOTH holes in the electrical outlet. 9th grade and high school weren't nearly as bad as 6th, 7th, and 8th grades because the bullying mostly stopped. True, I wasn't as hormonal, and neither were the other kids (which is probably why they stopped bullying as much), but I would say that not being mentally tortured every single day of my life meant I wasn't nearly as depressed as I'd been before.
 
2013-10-29 11:43:37 AM

MemeSlave: HotWingConspiracy: Suicide notes specifically stating that it was due to bullying complicate this thesis.

Because if you tell a kid he's unhappy because he's being bullied, he's unhappy because he's bullied.  A lot of kids are just unhappy - being a kid sucks.


There are few instances where a kid would be happy because he's being bullied.  You do not NEED to tell him to be unhappy, the bullies do it for you.
 
2013-10-29 11:45:49 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Also, it's not just the bullying itself, it is the delivery method of the torment from the bully. Now you are not free outside the walls of school, they can follow you on twitter, facebook, etc... and find and torment you everywhere you are 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.


That was a major problem for me because I got bullied relentlessly in school, and then relentlessly at home by my older brother. Nowhere was safe.
 
2013-10-29 11:46:43 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Keeve: HotWingConspiracy: Suicide notes specifically stating that it was due to bullying complicate this thesis.

Not really. They claim that depression, a mental illness, plays a big part. Typically people suffering mental illness blame their problems on external factors. If a mass murderer claims he went on a killing spree because everyone was possessed by demons, that doesn't make demon possession one of societies problems.

Well you see, bullies are real, demons are not.


No matter how much money or how much punishment you enforce, you will never make even a slight dent in the amount of assholes out there. It would be far better to teach coping mechanisms and communication with parents than to try to wipe out bullying. This is a life skill just as useful in an adult as it is a child. I am amazed at how many women I know who put drama in the workplace. It's like they never got out of the catty school mentality.
 
2013-10-29 11:49:57 AM
lockers:  I am amazed at how many women I know who put drama in the workplace. It's like they never got out of the catty school mentality.

The corollary to that is just how many men I know who haven't got out of the adolescent views on women and relationships. This isn't a gender phenomena.
 
2013-10-29 11:50:23 AM
A former schoolyard bully has figured out how to make a blog. Whoop-dee-sh*t. I bet there's an upcoming post about how shoving the smart kids into lockers is necessary for their proper intellectual growth, just like making them fast through the middle of the day by ensuring they can't afford to purchase lunch.
 
2013-10-29 11:51:03 AM

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2013-10-29 11:55:27 AM
Irony: Any government agent making a big deal about bullying.
 
2013-10-29 11:57:42 AM
Well, just because you can't as of yet demonstrate a link doesn't mean there isn't one. Recall type II error from statistics 101?

Also, I think the author is putting up a straw man. I don't think any researcher of note is making the case that bullying will lead an otherwise well adjusted person to commit suicide. I think the better question is - Does bullying make someone already predisposed to suicide more likely to do it?*

* if any of you farkers decide to run with this research idea, I want an author credit.....as bread, p.
 
2013-10-29 11:58:13 AM

poot_rootbeer: Simple solution to a bully: Beat his ass.

Solved.

It is well known that bullies are typically smaller, weaker, and less popular than other children.

It only stands to reason that attempts at physical violence must solve, rather than compound, the problem.


Oh, you'll get your ass beat.  Let's be clear about that.  The first time you punch a bully you're probably getting a broken nose.  If you do it in the wrong situation, you might not even survive.  I want that all out in the open in the beginning.

That being said, if someone is screwing with you alone or has maybe one or two people with them.  Punch them in the throat, kick him in the balls, gouge eyes, and do any other nasty dirty fighting tricks you know before you get the crap kicked out of you.  Do it fast enough and you might even win the scuffle.  But they probably won't come back for seconds.  If they do, serve it up.  You make it known that altercations with you end in violence and people will stop bullying you.

You do this to that kid who's been messing with you for a year or two, not to some random jerk.  Once you start reacting with violence to whoever happens to cross you it stops being about justice.  It becomes about control and you'll never control them.
 
2013-10-29 11:58:34 AM

uncoveror: There is no excuse to defend bullying and bullies. A big problem is that the teachers and administrators won't discipline jocks and popular kids, but will join in on beating down the freaks and geeks. They hate anyone who is not 'the beautiful people" just as much as the kids.


Things have changed since you were in school. Its zero tolerance across the board. Even if you defend yourself youll be suspended these days. And harassing someone is easily a suspension aswell. The vast majority of bullying is psycological and takes place outside of school on the internet and or via cellphones. Bullys these days are more and more like stalkers than ever before. Some of the sadistic shiat kids are doing to each other online is imo worse than being simply beaten up. Both give the person a sense of helplessness but at least there are physical signs of being beaten up the mind games are under the surface and harder to gauge the severity of.
 
2013-10-29 11:59:11 AM
I suppose there is something to be said for mental illness being a more immediate cause of these suicides than the bullying itself. This ignores the fact that bullying is the direct cause of a great deal of mental illnesses, including almost all of those involved in the suicides typically attributed more directly to bullying.
 
2013-10-29 11:59:54 AM
Well you see, bullies are real, demons are not


If the demons are real to you, and cause emotional stress, then they are real.
 
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