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(Today)   Have a "problem child" who doesn't listen and makes you feel like a worthless, ineffectual parent? It could be because of artificial food dyes in candy. Or it could be that you actually *are* a terrible parent, but let's just go with food dyes   (today.com) divider line 66
    More: Unlikely, Michael Jacobson, food dye, European Food Safety Authority, Renee, Grocery Manufacturers Association, parents  
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2013-10-29 11:30:51 AM
Turn
Off
The
TV
 
2013-10-29 11:31:04 AM
I blame Obama
 
2013-10-29 11:31:14 AM
Or, your kid might just be sort of a dick. It happens.
 
2013-10-29 11:32:07 AM
No, it's because of bullying. Someone should really do something.
 
2013-10-29 11:32:24 AM
No Jimmy, no! You don't mean that!  It's the yellow #5 talking!
 
2013-10-29 11:33:31 AM
"Concerned Mom" = "Self-Important Busybody"
 
2013-10-29 11:34:15 AM

vudukungfu: Turn
Off
The
TV


Take away the game console, take away the farking phone, the ipad, the tablet, mp3 player, anything the requires anything remotely resembling a need for batteries outside a calculator, get them off the farking computer, delete their god damn facebook and twitter page (seriously what the fark does my 14yo niece need twitter for), and then drag their asses outside and have some fun with them. Winter is coming, take them outside and show them the farking world for once.

And if they mouth off tell them all those electronics that they still have and might get back on a limited basis, you're going to go down town, find the first hobo and give it to them, no questions asked.
 
2013-10-29 11:34:51 AM
I've always thought lead-based food dyes were a terrible idea.

/but so tasty
 
2013-10-29 11:36:06 AM
It's not the dye, it's THE F*CKING CANDY! Seriously, stop overloading your kids with sugary bullshiat. My three year old loves candy, but shiat, he gets it once in a blue moon, and only a piece or two at that.

/Will be monitoring his candy intake this Halloween
//Maybe I am a fuddy-duddy
///But he's at least well behaved (for a three year old).
 
2013-10-29 11:36:32 AM
Don't worry mom and dad.

Failure has been abolished.
 
2013-10-29 11:37:29 AM
No kid huddled in a corner picture yet?
 
2013-10-29 11:38:04 AM

The Muthaship: Don't worry mom and dad.

Failure has been abolished aborted.


FTFY
 
2013-10-29 11:38:07 AM
Everyone needs an excuse.
 
2013-10-29 11:38:25 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: vudukungfu: Turn
Off
The
TV

Take away the game console, take away the farking phone, the ipad, the tablet, mp3 player, anything the requires anything remotely resembling a need for batteries outside a calculator, get them off the farking computer, delete their god damn facebook and twitter page (seriously what the fark does my 14yo niece need twitter for), and then drag their asses outside and have some fun with them. Winter is coming, take them outside and show them the farking world for once.

And if they mouth off tell them all those electronics that they still have and might get back on a limited basis, you're going to go down town, find the first hobo and give it to them, no questions asked.


Hobo? Why not a vagabond, or a tramp with a kerchief on a stick....lol.

/have a 7 yr old
 
2013-10-29 11:39:00 AM
They're children.

They're going to appear to not be listening sometimes, because they are kids, not little automatons waiting on your beck and call.
 
2013-10-29 11:39:01 AM

Mr_Fabulous: Or, your kid might just be sort of a dick. It happens.


This.

For those of you who have little monsters - - ward of the state.

I'm not kidding. If I had a "problem child" I'd make them a ward of the state. Go be an asshole somewhere else.
 
2013-10-29 11:39:35 AM
And this seem farking appropriate

We feed them food that tastes like insanity. It's insanity, our food. You should be able to give a kid an apple and they go, "Oh, thank you. I love apples." Kids can't even taste--apples are like paper to them, because we fill them--we force them to eat--people force their kids to eat fast food! I was in this hamburger--this woman is just shoving french fries-- She's like, "Eat it!!" The kid's like, "Mom, it's salty. It hurts. I can't eat any more. "Shut up! Have a soda!" We give them MSG, sugar, and caffeine. And weirdly, they react to those chemicals. And so they yell "Aaaah!!" and then we hit them. What farking chance does a kid have? We pump this stuff in there "Aaaaah!!" "Shut up! Stop it! Why are you like this?" "'Cause I haven't had actual nutrition in eight years, mom. I'm dehydrated. Give me water. Pepsi is not water, you coont

-Louis CK
 
2013-10-29 11:43:40 AM

vudukungfu: Turn
Off
The
TV


Scapegoats are so easy.

TV raised me more effectively than my parents... fortunately for other people I encountered.

Surely there is a better way to raise kids than letting two random shmucks have free reign over their children's entire lives. So much failure... everywhere.
 
2013-10-29 11:44:44 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: vudukungfu: Turn
Off
The
TV

Take away the game console, take away the farking phone, the ipad, the tablet, mp3 player, anything the requires anything remotely resembling a need for batteries outside a calculator, get them off the farking computer, delete their god damn facebook and twitter page (seriously what the fark does my 14yo niece need twitter for), and then drag their asses outside and have some fun with them. Winter is coming, take them outside and show them the farking world for once.

And if they mouth off tell them all those electronics that they still have and might get back on a limited basis, you're going to go down town, find the first hobo and give it to them, no questions asked.


And wear an onion on your belt...
 
2013-10-29 11:45:25 AM

whosits_112: It's not the dye, it's THE F*CKING CANDY! Seriously, stop overloading your kids with sugary bullshiat. My three year old loves candy, but shiat, he gets it once in a blue moon, and only a piece or two at that.

/Will be monitoring his candy intake this Halloween
//Maybe I am a fuddy-duddy
///But he's at least well behaved (for a three year old).


Sugar does not cause hyperactivity.
 
2013-10-29 11:46:10 AM

hitlersbrain: And wear an onion on your belt...


With biatching rad hair, as was the custom during my time in the 80's
 
2013-10-29 11:46:12 AM
My friend's 4 1/2-year-old boy is awful. He is so spoiled and spends all his time either on his iPad mini or he's watching TV. He has almost no social skills and has ridiculous tantrums. My friend and her family failed big time. I can't even begin to explain.
 
2013-10-29 11:47:42 AM

meanmutton: whosits_112: It's not the dye, it's THE F*CKING CANDY! Seriously, stop overloading your kids with sugary bullshiat. My three year old loves candy, but shiat, he gets it once in a blue moon, and only a piece or two at that.

/Will be monitoring his candy intake this Halloween
//Maybe I am a fuddy-duddy
///But he's at least well behaved (for a three year old).

Sugar does not cause hyperactivity.


www.lolbrary.com
 
2013-10-29 11:48:13 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: And this seem farking appropriate

We feed them food that tastes like insanity. It's insanity, our food. You should be able to give a kid an apple and they go, "Oh, thank you. I love apples." Kids can't even taste--apples are like paper to them, because we fill them--we force them to eat--people force their kids to eat fast food! I was in this hamburger--this woman is just shoving french fries-- She's like, "Eat it!!" The kid's like, "Mom, it's salty. It hurts. I can't eat any more. "Shut up! Have a soda!" We give them MSG, sugar, and caffeine. And weirdly, they react to those chemicals. And so they yell "Aaaah!!" and then we hit them. What farking chance does a kid have? We pump this stuff in there "Aaaaah!!" "Shut up! Stop it! Why are you like this?" "'Cause I haven't had actual nutrition in eight years, mom. I'm dehydrated. Give me water. Pepsi is not water, you coont

-Louis CK


When it comes to parenting, Louis CK has a couple good ideas wrapped around a whole bunch of ignorant idiocy.  MSG isn't going to hurt your kid.  Sugar (while absolutely not something to build your diet around) isn't going to make your kid hyperactive.  Also, Pepsi (while it does, indeed, have too much sugar) does, indeed, help with dehydration.

Also, fast food restaurants serve apples.
 
2013-10-29 11:48:33 AM
I don't see why everyone's making such a big deal about food coloring. Just give your kids some crayons and let them color the food however they wish.

us.123rf.com
 
2013-10-29 11:48:52 AM
What is the difference between "natural" and "artificial" food dye?
And which category does "crushed bugs" fall into?
 
2013-10-29 11:49:10 AM
Meh. You have no real authority anyway. All school workers (including volunteers,) are legally required to sign forms co-opting them into the system now. Any suspicion of child abuse, no matter how small, must be reported to the system immediately, so they can play Social Worker, instead of educating the children. Suddenly, you can find yourself hauled down to the police station and interrogated for hours, totally clueless as to why, and with no right to confront your accuser. Your place has been usurped. You had better get used to it.
 
2013-10-29 11:49:13 AM

meanmutton: Sugar does not cause hyperactivity.


No, but it does cause a spiked insulin response which they are finding more and more spiked levels instead of steady regular levels across the day can cause physiological changes and damage the body long term prospects.
 
2013-10-29 11:50:40 AM
Say what you want, but if my son gets Red Dye number 5 in his system, he goes farkin bonkers.  I've tested it enough on him to know, keep artificially colored drinks away from him.
 
2013-10-29 11:51:41 AM
My wife changed our boys diet. He's a different kid. Huge improvements. Everybody is different, but for us there were real results.

If you're not concerned about what you eat, you deserve what you eat.
 
2013-10-29 11:53:43 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: meanmutton: Sugar does not cause hyperactivity.

No, but it does cause a spiked insulin response which they are finding more and more spiked levels instead of steady regular levels across the day can cause physiological changes and damage the body long term prospects.


Exactly. Thank you. I know that sugar doesn't cause the stereotypical "hyperactivity", but I know that it's not good to keep a kid hopped up on sugar. farks with their mind and bodies.
 
2013-10-29 11:55:13 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: seriously what the fark does my 14yo niece anyone need twitter for


FTFY.

I will semi-defend Facebook because I have actually gotten to know my cousins on the west coast much better through it, plus I have made a lot of friends online and we all 'hang out' there since we can't really all travel much to see each other, but Twitter really isn't a good tool for that kind of thing. Mostly it's a place to dump the thoughts no one cares about and get into fights with celebrities and family... and yes, I did block my BIL on Twitter, because he's a douche on social media.

/and just in general
 
2013-10-29 11:57:03 AM
These people are literally precisely as stupid as the anti-vaccine people in exactly the same manner, with their only saving grace being that actually removing the product they stupidly want everyone to boycott for absolutely no actual scientific reason will just pointlessly make food more expensive instead of actually killing people.

Same stupid, only less harmful because the random nature of stupid just happened to point it in a less actively malicious direction today.  Had the wheel of idiocy spun another two ticks this woman would be picketing hospitals yelling that we must ban blood transfusions to preserve our children's precious purity of essence during surgery.

// A speculative addition suggesting that further research of a highly specific case might or might not show some semi-relevant result is NOT the same thing as the paper saying that food dyes definitely exacerbate your child's ADHD, you blithering morons.

// What promotes it to anti-vaxxer level stupid is that the woman is complaining that the dye in the  candy she's feeding her kid, specifically, is making him hyper.  I repeat, dyes in the candy, made of  100% goddamned sugar, that she's feeding her kid, is clearly the chemical that's to blame here.
 
2013-10-29 11:57:54 AM
Last week, my father in law gave my 3 and 1/2 year old candy corn flavored m&m's about a half hour before bedtime. That was a fun night.
 
2013-10-29 11:58:46 AM
You allow your children to eat food with artificial coloring? You are history's greatest monster!

But seriously, I blame the lead in cheap Guatemalan candy.

Piñatas? Are they driving your children insane? This and news at eleven.

There are two kinds of children: 1) those who misbehave when their parents aren't around and 2) those who misbehave when their parents are around.

Both of these are discipline problems of a kind, but the first kind is worse. The children who misbehave when their parents are around but behave for everybody else who provides even modest discipline are not the problem. Their parents are the problem. Their parents are probably of the type who believe their children can do no wrong and who don't take even polite criticism or reasonable efforts at self-defence and discipline well. The children know they can get away with murder while Momma Grizzley is watching, so they make asses of themselves on TV. No wait, that's a bit too specific. Let's just say they make asses of themselves because their parents are asses and being an ass is hereditary unless you are a mule.

The parents whose children behave well when their parents are around but are uncontrollable monsters when they aren't are being raised by fear-based discipline. They are afraid of punishment and only punishment, but they are really afraid of their insane parents.

In fact, if children don't behave, the problem is always the parents. There are simply two basic types of parenting: love-based rational parenting, where you explain the consequences and use punishment sparingly and fear-based parenting where you whup the shiat out of the little bastards.

Both systems work if you do them right, but naturally the children raised with sweetness and light tend to grow up sweet and light, while the children raised in fear grow up to be bullies just like Mom or Dad or both.

Both systems can work, both systems can fail horribly. The important thing is for the parent to be a rational, sane, human and responsible person and to expect their children to be these things as well. If you just give up, you get children who are monsters when you are around but who may behave when somebody sensible manages them. If you just reach out and touch the bastards, then they may be monsters when they are out of your reach.

I learned that as a child--I also learned that the Roman Catholic Church has a good point when it insists that priests do not marry and have children. The children of the clergy are among the worst brats this side of the children of the police and military. Of course, a lot of priests, cops and military men are simply insane, so it's not necessarily a child rearing problem. It's living with the crazy and then escaping from the crazy into the fire.

Moral:  If you want your child rearing theories to always work, remain childless. Otherwise, do what everybody else does and try to correct the mistakes your parents made by making completely new mistakes of your own. That way, each generation is different and they even out more or less.
 
2013-10-29 11:58:47 AM

whosits_112: It's not the dye, it's THE F*CKING CANDY! Seriously, stop overloading your kids with sugary bullshiat. My three year old loves candy, but shiat, he gets it once in a blue moon, and only a piece or two at that.

/Will be monitoring his candy intake this Halloween
//Maybe I am a fuddy-duddy
///But he's at least well behaved (for a three year old).


Actually they did a scientific study on this "theory" and it turns out that kids want to mess around, but strict parents tell them off if they do. They tested it out by getting some parents who believed this idea that sugar makes kids hyperactive, and gave them a mix of sugary candy and non-sugary candy that looked the same. The parents didn't detect the difference between the two types of candy, basically "scoring" the kids behaviour the same whether the candy they gave them had sugar or not, which kind of rules out the idea it is the sugar doing anything.  Basically the assumption from the experiment is that when the kid gets candy it implies permission from their parents they can mess around for a while, rather than there being any significant physiological impact.
 
2013-10-29 11:59:44 AM
I don't have any kids but if I did I would follow fark's advice of beating them at least twice a day.
 
2013-10-29 11:59:55 AM
meh, I have dogs

they do love rainbow sherbet though
 
2013-10-29 12:00:56 PM

Bruce the Deuce: My wife changed our boys diet. He's a different kid. Huge improvements. Everybody is different, but for us there were real results.

If you're not concerned about what you eat, you deserve what you eat.


What changes were made?
 
2013-10-29 12:01:01 PM
Most artificial dyes are ionic, can they even cross the blood-brain-barrier?
 
2013-10-29 12:03:59 PM

poorjon: Most artificial dyes are ionic, can they even cross the blood-brain-barrier?


I know doric and corinthian have no problem crossing.
 
2013-10-29 12:04:38 PM

meanmutton: Sugar does not cause hyperactivity.


It causes a change in blood sugar level resulting in energetic behavior (rapid spikes in blood sugar, associated with smaller carbohydrates like sucrose, result in increased adrenaline), which is pretty clearly what this woman is complaining about.  She's a concerned parent, she wouldn't know the difference between actual medical hyperactive disorder and a kid being rambunctious from an adrenaline spike if you bludgeoned her to death with the relevant section of the diagnostic manual.
 
2013-10-29 12:05:02 PM
I'm a father of three boys and while I think I have learned a lot about raising children, I'm certain that Farkers without kids know more than I do so I come here to get advice from them.
 
2013-10-29 12:06:50 PM
Dear media and everyone else:
Stop pretending that "concerned mom" or "concerned parents"* conveys any sort of expert knowledge whatsoever. It tells me that you're about to say or report on something that's most likely stupid and inaccurate.

* I hardly ever see or hear the phrase "concerned dad"...
 
2013-10-29 12:07:02 PM

vudukungfu: Turn
Off
The
TV


STOP
FEEDING
YOUR
CHILDREN
GARBAGE
 
2013-10-29 12:07:31 PM
Yes... it certainly might be the dye in the candy that's affecting them - or maybe, just maybe, it might be the FARKING SUGAR!!!

/farking people
 
2013-10-29 12:07:56 PM

stuhayes2010: Say what you want, but if my son gets Red Dye number 5 in his system, he goes farkin bonkers.  I've tested it enough on him to know, keep artificially colored drinks away from him.


My son was like that when he was a toddler/grade schooler.  he grew out of it thankfully.

And God help anyone who points out bad behavior of their child to another parent.  I know someone with a 16y.o. son who is a foul mouthed, uncontrollable farkwad, I pointed it out once and OMG! you thought  WWIII was breaking out.

What really chaps my butt is those Pediasure commercials.  Back in my day you didn't like what was served you went hungry.  No special drink for us!  You ate what was on your plate and liked it!
 
2013-10-29 12:09:16 PM

EbolaNYC: vudukungfu: Turn
Off
The
TV

STOP
FEEDING
YOUR
CHILDREN
GARBAGE


Stop yelling. This is why they go nuts. All the yelling. Stop. The. Yelling.

/don't yell
 
2013-10-29 12:09:49 PM

Watubi: I'm a father of three boys and while I think I have learned a lot about raising children, I'm certain that Farkers without kids know more than I do so I come here to get advice from them.


I am skeptical that a parent would seek advice from anywhere. Every parent I have ever met has told me that they do the job flawlessly.
 
2013-10-29 12:14:05 PM

airsupport: "Concerned Mom" = "Self-Important Busybody"



I just ran into this last night planning a camping trip for Scouts.  The boys vote on what they will make and prepare it themselves, with our oversight. A mom new to the Troop starts piping in about alternative meal options, if we'll have cheese sticks for random snacking, and if we plan on bringing anything with red dye.

All the dads and most of the kids looked at her blankly.  I pulled her aside and explained there are no alternatives the entire weekend, unless there are food allergies.  I know for a fact there are none, so the boys eat what is served or go hungry.  She wasn't happy.

I get the feeling she'll either let her son man up a little, or quit.
 
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