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(CBS News)   In the first half of the 20th century, Chinese-American women typically had menial jobs in retail, food service, ferrying fighter jets, laundries, or... wait, what? "Hazel Ying Lee" must translate to "Giant Clanking Balls"   (cbsnews.com) divider line 38
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2013-10-29 08:28:39 AM
She hand cranking bars?
 
2013-10-29 08:33:03 AM
Not fighter jets subby.  Planes, certainly.

And yes, big ones even if they probably weren't flying combat loaded aircraft - no bombs or ammo would make them a touch easier to fly, but you're still talking long flights in tiny aircraft, and if the assemblers did anything wrong you got to be the first to find out.

I especially loved the part where they weren't considered military, despite being taught in military units and such.
 
2013-10-29 08:37:06 AM
"They didn't even pay for our funerals," she said. "We had to pass the hat to ship her body home."
"But when the family prepared to bury them alongside each other in a Portland, Oregon, cemetery, they were told that Asians were not permitted in the white section. "

now that is farked up. as a teacher, this is the kind of racism / sexism that is hardly ever taught - institutional, subtle, and non-malicious. I'm sure those who made such decisions didn't think of themselves as being unfair, even though they were.
 
2013-10-29 08:40:45 AM
But when the family prepared to bury them alongside each other in a Portland, Oregon, cemetery, they were told that Asians were not permitted in the white section. The cemetery relented only after a fight.

What the f*ck?  I know I'm in a bad mood when every story I read makes me feel like stabbing people in the face.
 
2013-10-29 08:41:04 AM
Farking rammers.
 
2013-10-29 08:42:08 AM
i'm sure not being classified as military also let the gov pay less and give fewer benefits and basically screw them over.
 
2013-10-29 08:49:16 AM

starlost: i'm sure not being classified as military also let the gov pay less and give fewer benefits and basically screw them over.


The women who did this did not qualify for any GI Bill benefits, either.
 
2013-10-29 08:49:42 AM
Asian and a woman, good thing they didn't have her test drive the cars.

/low hanging fruit
//so low I picked it up off of the ground.
 
2013-10-29 08:56:02 AM
The jobs Chinese American women of yesteryear are nothing compared to the jobs that Chinese Americans such as this young miss here are doing today. It is indeed a service to her country.

i2.listal.com
 
2013-10-29 08:57:42 AM

Molavian: But when the family prepared to bury them alongside each other in a Portland, Oregon, cemetery, they were told that Asians were not permitted in the white section. The cemetery relented only after a fight.

What the f*ck?  I know I'm in a bad mood when every story I read makes me feel like stabbing people in the face.


1940's Portlanders would freak out if it they could see 2013 Portlanders, IMHO.

/ that gives me hope
 
2013-10-29 09:05:44 AM
She was cleared to land just after 2 p.m., as a large number of P-63s approached at once, and in the confusion, her plane and another P-63 collided.

Like Asian drivers on the Freeway?
 
2013-10-29 09:07:20 AM
Jets did't exist until the very tail end of WWII.

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2013-10-29 09:09:03 AM
Just as a bit of background - the Chinese Exclusion Act was signed into law in 1882 that pretty much prohibited Chinese skilled and unskilled laborers from entering the country and prevented even the ethnic Chinese who were in the country from naturalizing. They were allowed, at  most, permanent alien status.

The earlier Page Act also limited the ability for Chinese women to immigrate into the US because it prohibited Chinese women being brought into the US as prostitutes. Under the law officials of that time, pretty much any woman from China immigrating to the US was being brought in as prostitutes, even if they're just coming in to join their husbands and settling.

The Page and Chinese Exclusion Acts pretty much killed the first few generations of American Chinese - the men who moved here basically had very limited prospects for marriage since there are no Chinese women and anti-miscegenation laws were still in place and in force. Very few Chinese-American children were born during this period. Hazel Ying Lee would've been one of the extremely rare examples of the time.

The Chinese Exclusion Act wasn't actually repealed until 1943 - I guess somebody thought that it was stupid that the Chinese (who were part of the Allied forces) were excluded from immigrating in the US. And it wasn't truly until after Nixon opened China up that the later waves of Chinese immigrants came over, which I am a part of.

The Chinese have gotten the shaft in the US - maybe not to the extent the Native Americans and the African-Americans have, but we got boned but good by racist officials, racist laws and also racist labor unions (Irish labor groups and labor unions were actively against Chinese laborers because they were the competition - Denis Kearney incited race riots by the Irish laborers against the Chinese laborers in California that resulted in many people being lynched).
 
2013-10-29 09:28:06 AM
What a jet DOESN'T look like...

www.hooked-on-rc-airplanes.com
 
2013-10-29 09:46:24 AM
How amazing that a woman of her times ignored all the expectations that she would be some subservient wife and mother and went off and did her own thing.

At a time when most people had never left their home county in America, she was an international pilot who ferried barely completed aircraft that had never been tested cross country.
 
2013-10-29 09:50:30 AM
FTA: "During training, Lee was forced to make an emergency landing in a farmer's field after her aircraft developed engine problems," according to the Air Force account. "The farmer mistook her for a Japanese pilot and held her at 'pitchfork point,' believing he was being invaded."
 
2013-10-29 10:02:01 AM

RexTalionis: The Chinese Exclusion Act wasn't actually repealed until 1943 - I guess somebody thought that it was stupid that the Chinese (who were part of the Allied forces) were excluded from immigrating in the US. And it wasn't truly until after Nixon opened China up that the later waves of Chinese immigrants came over, which I am a part of.

The Chinese have gotten the shaft in the US - maybe not to the extent the Native Americans and the African-Americans have, but we got boned but good by racist officials, racist laws and also racist labor unions (Irish labor groups and labor unions were actively against Chinese laborers because they were the competition - Denis Kearney incited race riots by the Irish laborers against the Chinese laborers in California that resulted in many people being lynched).


Very similar to the history of Chinese immigration in Canada.  Our Exclusion law wasn't repealed until a few years later than in the US.  Although, we now in retrospect credit Chinese immigrants for their contribution (and unfortunate sacrifice) during the construction of the trans-Canada railway, which is the key element that brought BC into confederation and made Canada what it is today.

As is inevitably the case, there is a Canadian Heritage Moment that describes this pretty succinctly.
 
2013-10-29 10:14:11 AM

duenor: "They didn't even pay for our funerals," she said. "We had to pass the hat to ship her body home."
"But when the family prepared to bury them alongside each other in a Portland, Oregon, cemetery, they were told that Asians were not permitted in the white section. "

now that is farked up. as a teacher, this is the kind of racism / sexism that is hardly ever taught - institutional, subtle, and non-malicious. I'm sure those who made such decisions didn't think of themselves as being unfair, even though they were.


Howard Zinn wants a word:

http://www.lifeaftercapitalism.info/downloads/read/History/Howard-Zi nn /Howard_Zinn-A%20Peoples-History-Of-The-United%20States.pdf
 
2013-10-29 10:21:53 AM
The work could be dangerous; if, for example, they discovered defects as they flew the airplanes directly from assembly lines. Of the 1,102 women who took part in the program, 38 died. Lee was the last.

Okay, so the quality control on these things was, "looks okay, let's see if it blows up on the way to the military base"? That seems smart.
 
2013-10-29 10:50:12 AM

cptjeff: The work could be dangerous; if, for example, they discovered defects as they flew the airplanes directly from assembly lines. Of the 1,102 women who took part in the program, 38 died. Lee was the last.

Okay, so the quality control on these things was, "looks okay, let's see if it blows up on the way to the military base"? That seems smart.


Life during wartime, y'know? Also explains why they had disposable wimmins and furriners making those shakedown flights. Couldn't risk losing a white man except to combst.
 
2013-10-29 11:08:26 AM
In November 1944, Lee was delivering a P-63 from the Bell Aircraft factory at Niagara Falls, N.Y., to Great Falls, Mont. She was cleared to land just after 2 p.m., as a large number of P-63s approached at once, and in the confusion, her plane and another P-63 collided.

Dear Subby,

This is not a jet:

www.warbirdalley.com
 
2013-10-29 11:19:13 AM

duffblue: Asian and a woman, good thing they didn't have her test drive the cars.

/low hanging fruit
//so low I picked it up off of the ground.


Wi Tu Lo
 
2013-10-29 12:16:16 PM

Firethorn: Not fighter jets subby.  Planes, certainly.

And yes, big ones even if they probably weren't flying combat loaded aircraft - no bombs or ammo would make them a touch easier to fly, but you're still talking long flights in tiny aircraft, and if the assemblers did anything wrong you got to be the first to find out.

I especially loved the part where they weren't considered military, despite being taught in military units and such.


"They didn't even pay for our funerals," she said. "We had to pass the hat to ship her body home."

This, folks, is the real-deal assessment of our military.
 
2013-10-29 12:22:15 PM
"They didn't even pay for our funerals," she said. "We had to pass the hat to ship her body home."
"But when the family prepared to bury them alongside each other in a Portland, Oregon, cemetery, they were told that Asians were not permitted in the white section. "



that's farked up!!!
 
2013-10-29 12:35:09 PM

duenor: "They didn't even pay for our funerals," she said. "We had to pass the hat to ship her body home."
"But when the family prepared to bury them alongside each other in a Portland, Oregon, cemetery, they were told that Asians were not permitted in the white section. "

now that is farked up. as a teacher, this is the kind of racism / sexism that is hardly ever taught - institutional, subtle, and non-malicious. I'm sure those who made such decisions didn't think of themselves as being unfair, even though they were.


It wasn't racism so much a practicality, as they had to bury them sideways.

Had the privilige of seeing this lady inducted.  Read her biography - pretty amazing.  Quote from her speech (mangled), "Everybody told me I did something special.  I just thought I was going to work!"
 
2013-10-29 12:38:22 PM
Oops, forgot link:  http://nationalaviation.org/johnson-evelyn/
 
2013-10-29 12:40:32 PM
Rex Talionis: The Chinese Exclusion Act wasn't actually repealed until 1943 - I guess somebody thought that it was stupid that the Chinese (who were part of the Allied forces) were excluded from immigrating in the US. And it wasn't truly until after Nixon opened China up that the later waves of Chinese immigrants came over, which I am a part of.

The Chinese have gotten the shaft in the US - maybe not to the extent the Native Americans and the African-Americans have, but we got boned but good by racist officials, racist laws and also racist labor unions (Irish labor groups and labor unions were actively against Chinese laborers because they were the competition - Denis Kearney incited race riots by the Irish laborers against the Chinese laborers in California that resulted in many people being lynched).



All Asians got the shaft in the first half of the 20th century.  Of course the Japanese Americans got it the worst with being dumped in those camps during WWII.  The Chinese being the most numerous Asians are most well know and were segregated to various Chinatown areas.

Less well know, Filipinos came in as laborers as well in the early 20th century since they were a US colony at the time, and then the door swung shut with the Immigration Act of '24 (aka "Asian Exclusion").  As Rex Talionis mentioned about the Chinese as cheap labor, some Southern and Western agricultural land owners toyed with the idea of importing a large group of Filipino laborers to work the fields.  But govt officials nixed that quickly because they were concerned Filipinos might form yet another competing group for jobs that blacks or mexicans already do, further exacerbating the racial problems.

Sort of sad for the guys who came in and decided to stay (sometimes they couldn't afford to go back).  They often ended up segregated in "Filipino towns" which were blocks or districts near SF and LA Chinatown.  They couldn't get married as females did not immigrate into the US and probably lived out a lonely existence. There are some stories of some of them getting married to whites, which I assume would be no picnic.

Cool story about this woman pilot.  I really can't imagine an Asian female getting that far.
 
2013-10-29 12:45:08 PM

RexTalionis: Just as a bit of background - the Chinese Exclusion Act was signed into law in 1882 that pretty much prohibited Chinese skilled and unskilled laborers from entering the country and prevented even the ethnic Chinese who were in the country from naturalizing. They were allowed, at  most, permanent alien status.

The earlier Page Act also limited the ability for Chinese women to immigrate into the US because it prohibited Chinese women being brought into the US as prostitutes. Under the law officials of that time, pretty much any woman from China immigrating to the US was being brought in as prostitutes, even if they're just coming in to join their husbands and settling.

The Page and Chinese Exclusion Acts pretty much killed the first few generations of American Chinese - the men who moved here basically had very limited prospects for marriage since there are no Chinese women and anti-miscegenation laws were still in place and in force. Very few Chinese-American children were born during this period. Hazel Ying Lee would've been one of the extremely rare examples of the time.

The Chinese Exclusion Act wasn't actually repealed until 1943 - I guess somebody thought that it was stupid that the Chinese (who were part of the Allied forces) were excluded from immigrating in the US. And it wasn't truly until after Nixon opened China up that the later waves of Chinese immigrants came over, which I am a part of.

The Chinese have gotten the shaft in the US - maybe not to the extent the Native Americans and the African-Americans have, but we got boned but good by racist officials, racist laws and also racist labor unions (Irish labor groups and labor unions were actively against Chinese laborers because they were the competition - Denis Kearney incited race riots by the Irish laborers against the Chinese laborers in California that resulted in many people being lynched).


Yeah but you showed them right?   Who has the highest median pay, who has the highest college attendance rate, who has the lowest teen pregnancy rates?  Who is the most successful minority now huh?
 
2013-10-29 02:49:35 PM

Firethorn: And yes, big ones even if they probably weren't flying combat loaded aircraft - no bombs or ammo would make them a touch easier to fly, but you're still talking long flights in tiny aircraft, and if the assemblers did anything wrong you got to be the first to find out.


In the case of the P-63, and its parent design the P-39, the plane was actually harder to fly with no ammo onboard. The giant honking gun in the nose kept the plane stable, and without it loaded, the balance point shifted and made the aircraft easy to put into a spin---from which there was no escape, as the plane couldn't be recovered in that condition and the door on the side of the fuselage was impossible to open in flight (IIRC they eventually solved the problem with explosives that would blow the door off). Thus we gave most of our P-39s and P-63s to the Soviets, because they liked the firepower and weren't concerned about it being a deathtrap.
 
2013-10-29 06:11:29 PM
Chinese - Can't drive, can't fly.

Just making stereotype fun, nothing serious :P
 
2013-10-29 07:39:13 PM

Wolf892: The jobs Chinese American women of yesteryear are nothing compared to the jobs that Chinese Americans such as this young miss here are doing today. It is indeed a service to her country.

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Thanks for the NSFW warning... not. :(
 
2013-10-29 09:06:23 PM
I'm not sure the best way to honor this woman is to assume that she was only able to perform such feats by having male organs.
 
2013-10-29 09:47:32 PM

Precision Boobery: I'm not sure the best way to honor this woman is to assume that she was only able to perform such feats by having male organs.


Giant clanking ovaries?
 
2013-10-30 01:02:49 AM

Clemkadidlefark: This, folks, is the real-deal assessment of our military.


Well, the comment below yours pretty much shows the way our society acted at the time, from which our military folks are drawn from.  Why do you hate America?
 
2013-10-30 01:15:15 AM

knbwhite: Clemkadidlefark: This, folks, is the real-deal assessment of our military.

Well, the comment below yours pretty much shows the way our society acted at the time, from which our military folks are drawn from.  Why do you hate America?


I'd argue that the military has, on average, integrated ahead of the society it was drawn from.  It integrated the races before society got rid of the jim crow laws, it opened opportunities to women early, and I'd argue that it's even ahead at providing benefits to gay/lesbian couples.  Remember that the prohibition on gays in the military, followed by 'don't ask don't tell' were pushed on the DoD by congress, not self imposed.  The moment those laws were repealed we started removing the prohibitions.
 
2013-10-30 02:31:08 AM

Firethorn: I'd argue that the military has, on average, integrated ahead of the society it was drawn from.


Indeed.  Whether this is a good thing or not, I'm unsure.  If I were going to rank all the things I think everyone should have equal rights to, all-expenses-paid trips to war zones aren't really close to the  top of the list, y'know?
 
2013-10-30 04:47:47 AM

dbirchall: Firethorn: I'd argue that the military has, on average, integrated ahead of the society it was drawn from.

Indeed.  Whether this is a good thing or not, I'm unsure.  If I were going to rank all the things I think everyone should have equal rights to, all-expenses-paid trips to war zones aren't really close to the  top of the list, y'know?



*shrug*.  It's what the military has to offer, you know? Plus, equal rights should equate to equal responsibilities, right?  Plus, I'd say it's 'the opportunity for all....' seeing as how we have a volunteer military.

Then consider the benefits you get in exchange, if you don't count patriatism, such as education, healthcare, retirement, etc...
 
2013-10-30 05:59:04 AM

Firethorn: knbwhite: Clemkadidlefark: This, folks, is the real-deal assessment of our military.

Well, the comment below yours pretty much shows the way our society acted at the time, from which our military folks are drawn from.  Why do you hate America?

I'd argue that the military has, on average, integrated ahead of the society it was drawn from.  It integrated the races before society got rid of the jim crow laws, it opened opportunities to women early, and I'd argue that it's even ahead at providing benefits to gay/lesbian couples.  Remember that the prohibition on gays in the military, followed by 'don't ask don't tell' were pushed on the DoD by congress, not self imposed.  The moment those laws were repealed we started removing the prohibitions.


Racial integration was forced on the military as well, by President Truman acting alone as Commander in Chief.
 
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