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(Deadspin)   St. Louis Rams host Monday Night Football for the first time since 2006. Wait, aren't the Cardinals hosting Game 5 of the World Series? Ooops   (deadspin.com) divider line 54
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2013-10-29 07:52:40 AM  
Pretty sure that the Rams game was scheduled before the Card's game.

so, fail for the Cards getting into the world series?
Or MLB for scheduling the game?
 
2013-10-29 08:15:54 AM  

Unoriginal_Username: Pretty sure that the Rams game was scheduled before the Card's game.

so, fail for the Cards getting into the world series?
Or MLB for scheduling the game?


Well, the World Series -dates- are set a year in advance, so yes, Game 5 of the World Series was scheduled before the Rams game was, but it's hardly the Rams' fault that the Cardinals happened to be hosting it.

/It's the Rams' fault for playing in the weekly shiatfest known as MNF.
 
2013-10-29 08:24:34 AM  

The Bestest: /It's the Rams' fault for playing in the weekly shiatfest known as MNF moving to St. Louis.

 
2013-10-29 08:44:08 AM  
fark Deadspin.
 
2013-10-29 08:46:31 AM  

Gunny Highway: fark Deadspin.


would you prefer a b/r link?

/whatever happened to SbB?
 
2013-10-29 08:58:20 AM  

The Bestest: /whatever happened to SbB?


No more of Denise Milani's boobs, no more reason to visit the site.
 
2013-10-29 08:58:30 AM  

The Bestest: Gunny Highway: fark Deadspin.

would you prefer a b/r link?

/whatever happened to SbB?


I would prefer b/r.  Deadspin's writers are a bunch of jerks.

/SbB was bad
 
2013-10-29 09:20:23 AM  
Reminds me of a Minnesota Twins game I went to in April of 2003.  The Wild were playing at home in game three of the Conference Semi-Finals and the Timberwolves were at home for game five against the Lakers.  Official attendance was 12,000, but the actual attendance was probably closer to 1,200.
 
2013-10-29 09:52:39 AM  
As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs
 
2013-10-29 11:17:46 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs


My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked
 
2013-10-29 11:21:15 AM  

The Bestest: Unoriginal_Username: Pretty sure that the Rams game was scheduled before the Card's game.

so, fail for the Cards getting into the world series?
Or MLB for scheduling the game?

Well, the World Series -dates- are set a year in advance, so yes, Game 5 of the World Series was scheduled before the Rams game was, but it's hardly the Rams' fault that the Cardinals happened to be hosting it.

/It's the Rams' fault for playing in the weekly shiatfest known as MNF.


At least the St. Louis Blues were smart and scheduled their games this week on the World Series off days.

But it helps when the two teams have a good relationship. I've even heard stories that the Cardinal team president (DeWitt III) and Blues main owner (Stillman) play on a senior hockey league together.
 
2013-10-29 11:27:36 AM  

mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked


Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.
 
2013-10-29 11:35:53 AM  

Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.


Seattle has a pretty cushy schedule from here on, with only the 49ers and Saints on the docket that are truly questionable outcomes.  They also play a large number of games at home, starting next week.  Seattle has finished the roughest part of its schedule.  I seem to remember they only played at home once in October.

I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.

\and Seattle has been frustratingly prone to stupid errors
\\it's a stunt move, O-Line.  Time to learn how to block it.
 
2013-10-29 11:39:28 AM  
Wonder why Rams games are poorly attended?

            W    L     T
2008    2    14    0        
2009    1    15    0        
2010    7    9      0        
2011    2    14    0        
2012    7    8      1        
2013    3    5      0

The Deadspin article doesn't fully explain everything in that the Dome got pretty decently full a few minutes after kickoff. When you've got 100,000+ people trying to park downtown or take the train to both games, it was a biatchallenging getting to get to the Rams game in time.

Parking lots that were normally available on Rams game days were full or charging $40/car. The lot were we usually park was full by 5:30 and more than doubled their rate. We had to park like 10+ blocks away and then just drank our way down Washington Avenue instead of tailgating.

The one thing I noticed was the 300/club level was horribly empty. All the rich people/be-seen people/corporate box holders were 7 blocks south at the World Series game. The real football fans were at the game.
 
2013-10-29 11:40:33 AM  

Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.




No. Not including KC or Denver no one will reach 11 wins. That doesn't win a division
 
2013-10-29 11:44:34 AM  

Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.


No, but the way a lot of people were talking (and some Seahawks fans acted like last night at the game) they're on the destined path to MetLife Stadium in early February.
 
2013-10-29 11:47:00 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.


And it was a perfect matchup for the Rams: their unquestionable strength is their pass rush, and the Seahawks' two tackles were a journeyman guard and a 7th-round rookie.

If anything on the Seahawks was exposed, it was the play-calling ability. Your fill-in tackles are getting abused; it's pretty elementary that the thing to do in that situation is keep a tight end and a fullback to help them out, and establish the run game. Instead, they hung those poor saps out to dry. No idea WTF Bevell was thinking.

Okung and Giacomini can't come back soon enough. Even if Giacomini makes the stupid penalty problem even worse. I'll take that.
 
2013-10-29 11:50:44 AM  

Super Chronic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.

And it was a perfect matchup for the Rams: their unquestionable strength is their pass rush, and the Seahawks' two tackles were a journeyman guard and a 7th-round rookie.

If anything on the Seahawks was exposed, it was the play-calling ability. Your fill-in tackles are getting abused; it's pretty elementary that the thing to do in that situation is keep a tight end and a fullback to help them out, and establish the run game. Instead, they hung those poor saps out to dry. No idea WTF Bevell was thinking.

Okung and Giacomini can't come back soon enough. Even if Giacomini makes the stupid penalty problem even worse. I'll take that.


The 49ers and Saints are going to love watching the tape from last night's game.
 
2013-10-29 11:50:46 AM  

Super Chronic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.

And it was a perfect matchup for the Rams: their unquestionable strength is their pass rush, and the Seahawks' two tackles were a journeyman guard and a 7th-round rookie.

If anything on the Seahawks was exposed, it was the play-calling ability. Your fill-in tackles are getting abused; it's pretty elementary that the thing to do in that situation is keep a tight end and a fullback to help them out, and establish the run game. Instead, they hung those poor saps out to dry. No idea WTF Bevell was thinking.

Okung and Giacomini can't come back soon enough. Even if Giacomini makes the stupid penalty problem even worse. I'll take that.


I wondered about that, too, but I kept hearing the phrase "limiting the playbook" come up on various sites.  Did they do this to protect their O-line?  Robinson?  Or did they not want to show off much game film for Harvin's debut?

Also, less stated is that they felt they could beat the Rams with a severely limited playbook.  Seattle's performance reminded me of their loss to St. Louis last year.  It was just flat offensively.

\and why was Lynch benched for a few series?
 
2013-10-29 11:52:42 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.

No. Not including KC or Denver no one will reach 11 wins. That doesn't win a division


In fact, the Seahawks would like a few words with you on what kind of record it takes to win a division.
The season's not over yet, last time I checked.  And saying that nobody besides KC and DEN will reach 11 wins is a tad premature.  If this past Sunday has taught anyone anything, it's that victories are by no means guaranteed.
 
2013-10-29 11:54:50 AM  

Dr. Kefarkian: this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.


is that possible? wouldn't that mean that two other non-division winners in the same conference were 12-4 or better? which would mean that at least four teams in the same conference were 12-4 or better? maybe it is possible, i'm not sure...
 
2013-10-29 11:57:32 AM  

Dr. Kefarkian: Mid_mo_mad_man: Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.

No. Not including KC or Denver no one will reach 11 wins. That doesn't win a division

In fact, the Seahawks would like a few words with you on what kind of record it takes to win a division.
The season's not over yet, last time I checked.  And saying that nobody besides KC and DEN will reach 11 wins is a tad premature.  If this past Sunday has taught anyone anything, it's that victories are by no means guaranteed.


Can you please tell us what kind of scenario would result in a 12-4 team missing the NFC playoffs, given the current standings and reasonable projections for each team? (And by "reasonable," I mean not just anything within the realm of mathematical possibility, like the Lions and Panthers combining to go 17-0 the rest of the way.)
 
2013-10-29 12:00:48 PM  

mjohnson71: At least the St. Louis Blues were smart and scheduled their games this week on the World Series off days.

But it helps when the two teams have a good relationship. I've even heard stories that the Cardinal team president (DeWitt III) and Blues main owner (Stillman) play on a senior hockey league together.


The Blues really showed that relationship when Stan the Man died and all the Blues players had #6 Musial sweaters for the warm up that night.
 
2013-10-29 12:11:23 PM  

Super Chronic: Dr. Kefarkian: Mid_mo_mad_man: Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.

No. Not including KC or Denver no one will reach 11 wins. That doesn't win a division

In fact, the Seahawks would like a few words with you on what kind of record it takes to win a division.
The season's not over yet, last time I checked.  And saying that nobody besides KC and DEN will reach 11 wins is a tad premature.  If this past Sunday has taught anyone anything, it's that victories are by no means guaranteed.

Can you please tell us what kind of scenario would result in a 12-4 team missing the NFC playoffs, given the current standings and reasonable projections for each team? (And by "reasonable," I mean not just anything within the realm of mathematical possibility, like the Lions and Panthers combining to go 17-0 the rest of the way.)


It's never happened. In the last 20 years the "best" teams to miss the playoffs that year are the 2007 Browns and 2003 Dolphins at 10-6. 12-4 is always going to get you a Wild Card spot at least.
 
2013-10-29 12:16:24 PM  

mjohnson71: Super Chronic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.

And it was a perfect matchup for the Rams: their unquestionable strength is their pass rush, and the Seahawks' two tackles were a journeyman guard and a 7th-round rookie.

If anything on the Seahawks was exposed, it was the play-calling ability. Your fill-in tackles are getting abused; it's pretty elementary that the thing to do in that situation is keep a tight end and a fullback to help them out, and establish the run game. Instead, they hung those poor saps out to dry. No idea WTF Bevell was thinking.

Okung and Giacomini can't come back soon enough. Even if Giacomini makes the stupid penalty problem even worse. I'll take that.

The 49ers and Saints are going to love watching the tape from last night's game.


That's what I kept wondering ... did Seattle limit the playbook to keep the real opponents from having too much info?  I mean, they won't get much from last time that we didn't already see, and by the time Seattle plays the 9ers and the Saints, they should be back to full strength on the Oline.
 
2013-10-29 12:20:24 PM  

mjohnson71: Super Chronic: Dr. Kefarkian: Mid_mo_mad_man: Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.

No. Not including KC or Denver no one will reach 11 wins. That doesn't win a division

In fact, the Seahawks would like a few words with you on what kind of record it takes to win a division.
The season's not over yet, last time I checked.  And saying that nobody besides KC and DEN will reach 11 wins is a tad premature.  If this past Sunday has taught anyone anything, it's that victories are by no means guaranteed.

Can you please tell us what kind of scenario would result in a 12-4 team missing the NFC playoffs, given the current standings and reasonable projections for each team? (And by "reasonable," I mean not just anything within the realm of mathematical possibility, like the Lions and Panthers combining to go 17-0 the rest of the way.)

It's never happened. In the last 20 years the "best" teams to miss the playoffs that year are the 2007 Browns and 2003 Dolphins at 10-6. 12-4 is always going to get you a Wild Card spot at least.


Didn't the Patriots go 11-5 and miss the playoffs one year, too?
 
2013-10-29 12:20:50 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: mjohnson71: Super Chronic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.

And it was a perfect matchup for the Rams: their unquestionable strength is their pass rush, and the Seahawks' two tackles were a journeyman guard and a 7th-round rookie.

If anything on the Seahawks was exposed, it was the play-calling ability. Your fill-in tackles are getting abused; it's pretty elementary that the thing to do in that situation is keep a tight end and a fullback to help them out, and establish the run game. Instead, they hung those poor saps out to dry. No idea WTF Bevell was thinking.

Okung and Giacomini can't come back soon enough. Even if Giacomini makes the stupid penalty problem even worse. I'll take that.

The 49ers and Saints are going to love watching the tape from last night's game.

That's what I kept wondering ... did Seattle limit the playbook to keep the real opponents from having too much info?  I mean, they won't get much from last time that we didn't already see, and by the time Seattle plays the 9ers and the Saints, they should be back to full strength on the Oline.


I got the feeling that Russell Wilson was just instructed to take care of the football, everything else was secondary.  Sacks were just fine so long as the series ended in a punt and not a turnover, the Seahawks put everything on their defense and played field position all game.
 
2013-10-29 12:20:55 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: mjohnson71: Super Chronic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.

And it was a perfect matchup for the Rams: their unquestionable strength is their pass rush, and the Seahawks' two tackles were a journeyman guard and a 7th-round rookie.

If anything on the Seahawks was exposed, it was the play-calling ability. Your fill-in tackles are getting abused; it's pretty elementary that the thing to do in that situation is keep a tight end and a fullback to help them out, and establish the run game. Instead, they hung those poor saps out to dry. No idea WTF Bevell was thinking.

Okung and Giacomini can't come back soon enough. Even if Giacomini makes the stupid penalty problem even worse. I'll take that.

The 49ers and Saints are going to love watching the tape from last night's game.

That's what I kept wondering ... did Seattle limit the playbook to keep the real opponents from having too much info?  I mean, they won't get much from last time that we didn't already see, and by the time Seattle plays the 9ers and the Saints, they should be back to full strength on the Oline.


Could be. That's just the kind of dick move I could see Pete Carroll pulling.

"Hey guys, the Rams suck and we're gonna walk right over them. Take out half of the pages of the playbook for Monday night."
 
2013-10-29 12:21:24 PM  

mjohnson71: I've even heard stories that the Cardinal team president (DeWitt III) and Blues main owner (Stillman) play on a senior hockey league together.


I know what you really meant, but now I can't get the image of these two hitting on 50+ aged women who play hockey out of my head.
 
2013-10-29 12:22:03 PM  
mjohnson71:It's never happened. In the last 20 years the "best" teams to miss the playoffs that year are the 2007 Browns and 2003 Dolphins at 10-6. 2008 Patriots at 11-5.  12-4 is always going to get you a Wild Card spot at least.

FTFY
 
2013-10-29 12:24:41 PM  

mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: mjohnson71: Super Chronic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.

And it was a perfect matchup for the Rams: their unquestionable strength is their pass rush, and the Seahawks' two tackles were a journeyman guard and a 7th-round rookie.

If anything on the Seahawks was exposed, it was the play-calling ability. Your fill-in tackles are getting abused; it's pretty elementary that the thing to do in that situation is keep a tight end and a fullback to help them out, and establish the run game. Instead, they hung those poor saps out to dry. No idea WTF Bevell was thinking.

Okung and Giacomini can't come back soon enough. Even if Giacomini makes the stupid penalty problem even worse. I'll take that.

The 49ers and Saints are going to love watching the tape from last night's game.

That's what I kept wondering ... did Seattle limit the playbook to keep the real opponents from having too much info?  I mean, they won't get much from last time that we didn't already see, and by the time Seattle plays the 9ers and the Saints, they should be back to full strength on the Oline.

Could be. That's just the kind of dick move I could see Pete Carroll pulling.

"Hey guys, the Rams suck and we're gonna walk right over them. Take out half of the pages of the playbook for Monday night."


Oh get over the butthurt already. It's called strategy, not a "dick move." Seriously, re-think what you just said and how it sounds.
 
2013-10-29 12:25:29 PM  

llortcM_yllort: mjohnson71: Super Chronic: Dr. Kefarkian: Mid_mo_mad_man: Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.

No. Not including KC or Denver no one will reach 11 wins. That doesn't win a division

In fact, the Seahawks would like a few words with you on what kind of record it takes to win a division.
The season's not over yet, last time I checked.  And saying that nobody besides KC and DEN will reach 11 wins is a tad premature.  If this past Sunday has taught anyone anything, it's that victories are by no means guaranteed.

Can you please tell us what kind of scenario would result in a 12-4 team missing the NFC playoffs, given the current standings and reasonable projections for each team? (And by "reasonable," I mean not just anything within the realm of mathematical possibility, like the Lions and Panthers combining to go 17-0 the rest of the way.)

It's never happened. In the last 20 years the "best" teams to miss the playoffs that year are the 2007 Browns and 2003 Dolphins at 10-6. 12-4 is always going to get you a Wild Card spot at least.

Didn't the Patriots go 11-5 and miss the playoffs one year, too?


Maybe: but I didn't catch it on a quick scan of NFL seasons.

I mean a team could be 12-4 and a Wild Card while someone else in another division skates in at 8-8 or 9-7. But with the current setup a 12-4 record will always get you in.

Can it mathematically happen in the NFL? Yes. But it would have to be a perfect storm of a ton of 12-4, 13-3 etc teams while there also being a bunch of 1-15, 2-14 etc teams on the other side.
 
2013-10-29 12:31:44 PM  

Super Chronic: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: mjohnson71: Super Chronic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I wouldn't say the Rams are a crappy team; they have a pretty decent defense, at least.  I expected this one to be close, primarily because the Rams, regardless of the records, tend to play Seattle pretty tough over the past few seasons.

And it was a perfect matchup for the Rams: their unquestionable strength is their pass rush, and the Seahawks' two tackles were a journeyman guard and a 7th-round rookie.

If anything on the Seahawks was exposed, it was the play-calling ability. Your fill-in tackles are getting abused; it's pretty elementary that the thing to do in that situation is keep a tight end and a fullback to help them out, and establish the run game. Instead, they hung those poor saps out to dry. No idea WTF Bevell was thinking.

Okung and Giacomini can't come back soon enough. Even if Giacomini makes the stupid penalty problem even worse. I'll take that.

The 49ers and Saints are going to love watching the tape from last night's game.

That's what I kept wondering ... did Seattle limit the playbook to keep the real opponents from having too much info?  I mean, they won't get much from last time that we didn't already see, and by the time Seattle plays the 9ers and the Saints, they should be back to full strength on the Oline.

Could be. That's just the kind of dick move I could see Pete Carroll pulling.

"Hey guys, the Rams suck and we're gonna walk right over them. Take out half of the pages of the playbook for Monday night."

Oh get over the butthurt already. It's called strategy, not a "dick move." Seriously, re-think what you just said and how it sounds.


Sorry: I sat next to a group of 8 Seahawks fans at the game that really pissed me off last night and I'm still steaming this morning. They were acting like Pete Carroll is Lombardi reincarnated and the Seahawks were handily beating a great Rams team. They were pretty clueless that their team was barely winning.

I had to move during the 3rd quarter because they started getting all dickish about the baseball Cardinals too.
 
2013-10-29 12:35:04 PM  

mjohnson71: Sorry: I sat next to a group of 8 Seahawks fans at the game that really pissed me off last night and I'm still steaming this morning. They were acting like Pete Carroll is Lombardi reincarnated and the Seahawks were handily beating a great Rams team. They were pretty clueless that their team was barely ...


Yes, but understand that those people exist in every fan base.

I'm happy to concede, as I did in the game thread, that the Rams outplayed a very lucky Seahawks team last night.
 
2013-10-29 12:39:09 PM  

Super Chronic: Can you please tell us what kind of scenario would result in a 12-4 team missing the NFC playoffs, given the current standings and reasonable projections for each team? (And by "reasonable," I mean not just anything within the realm of mathematical possibility, like the Lions and Panthers combining to go 17-0 the rest of the way.)


how about the Lions and Panthers going 17-0 the rest of the way? :P
 
2013-10-29 12:40:21 PM  

llortcM_yllort: mjohnson71: Super Chronic: Dr. Kefarkian: Mid_mo_mad_man: Dr. Kefarkian: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

Is it the playoffs already?  Seattle has a spot?  I missed this ... my calendar says it's the 9th week of the regular season.

this season, a 12-4 team could very well MISS the playoffs.

No. Not including KC or Denver no one will reach 11 wins. That doesn't win a division

In fact, the Seahawks would like a few words with you on what kind of record it takes to win a division.
The season's not over yet, last time I checked.  And saying that nobody besides KC and DEN will reach 11 wins is a tad premature.  If this past Sunday has taught anyone anything, it's that victories are by no means guaranteed.

Can you please tell us what kind of scenario would result in a 12-4 team missing the NFC playoffs, given the current standings and reasonable projections for each team? (And by "reasonable," I mean not just anything within the realm of mathematical possibility, like the Lions and Panthers combining to go 17-0 the rest of the way.)

It's never happened. In the last 20 years the "best" teams to miss the playoffs that year are the 2007 Browns and 2003 Dolphins at 10-6. 12-4 is always going to get you a Wild Card spot at least.

Didn't the Patriots go 11-5 and miss the playoffs one year, too?


They did.  Whatever year is was the Cassel was the starter.  2008, IIRC.
 
2013-10-29 12:41:24 PM  
mjohnson71: Sorry: I sat next to a group of 8 Seahawks fans at the game that really pissed me off last night and I'm still steaming this morning. They were acting like Pete Carroll is Lombardi reincarnated and the Seahawks were handily beating a great Rams team. They were pretty clueless that their team was barely ...

Anyway, as near as I could tell watching on TV, the place did seem pretty loud -- maybe not as consistently in Seattle, but certainly whenever the Seahawks were pinned deep or got to third down. Clearly the offense was having trouble communicating at the line. Which is, of course, fine in my book -- we dish it out and we have to be able to take it. Did it sound loud in person?
 
2013-10-29 12:43:20 PM  

Super Chronic: mjohnson71: Sorry: I sat next to a group of 8 Seahawks fans at the game that really pissed me off last night and I'm still steaming this morning. They were acting like Pete Carroll is Lombardi reincarnated and the Seahawks were handily beating a great Rams team. They were pretty clueless that their team was barely ...

Yes, but understand that those people exist in every fan base.

I'm happy to concede, as I did in the game thread, that the Rams outplayed a very lucky Seahawks team last night.


But they came into our building and acted like clowns the entire friggin game.

Unfortunately other team's fans know they can easily get tickets so we get a lot of road trippers here.We need to stop being "midwest nice" and beat some visiting fans up. We're supposedly the 2nd most dangerous city in America and we need to show it.

/Not looking forward to the Bears game later this year.
 
2013-10-29 12:44:32 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs


Indeed.   That's the third time this season they've gone full clown shoes and managed to win.  Carolina would have beaten them if D'Angelo Williams hadn't decided to drop the ball on the 7 yard line.  Tennessee was ugly, too.    New Orleans and SF will eat that shiat  up and spit out the bones.

What this really says is "you have no depth on the O-line."
 
2013-10-29 12:51:48 PM  

Super Chronic: mjohnson71: Sorry: I sat next to a group of 8 Seahawks fans at the game that really pissed me off last night and I'm still steaming this morning. They were acting like Pete Carroll is Lombardi reincarnated and the Seahawks were handily beating a great Rams team. They were pretty clueless that their team was barely ...

Anyway, as near as I could tell watching on TV, the place did seem pretty loud -- maybe not as consistently in Seattle, but certainly whenever the Seahawks were pinned deep or got to third down. Clearly the offense was having trouble communicating at the line. Which is, of course, fine in my book -- we dish it out and we have to be able to take it. Did it sound loud in person?


It was pretty loud. Not as good as the season opener game against Arizona (which was the loudest I've heard in a long time) but better than it's been.

Like I said before, it helps that all the fair-weather/rich fans who usually sit on their hands were 7 blocks south at the baseball game. Last night's Rams crowd seemed to have more "regular" people there.
 
2013-10-29 12:52:43 PM  
So what was the final gate total?

That picture was taken at the coin toss, on a Monday Night game.   Tailgaters, those stuck in traffic, and those stuck in the stupid "security" lines will have come in 10-15 minutes later than this at least.

Rarely do you see an NFL stadium even halfway full at coin toss, especially on a week night game.
 
2013-10-29 01:02:11 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: So what was the final gate total?

That picture was taken at the coin toss, on a Monday Night game.   Tailgaters, those stuck in traffic, and those stuck in the stupid "security" lines will have come in 10-15 minutes later than this at least.

Rarely do you see an NFL stadium even halfway full at coin toss, especially on a week night game.


I didn't catch the announcement.  But yes, traffic and parking was a biatch because of both games being just a half mile apart. I looked outside around 10 minutes to kickoff and the Broadway/Cole entrance had thousands of people waiting to get in.

Doesn't help that almost all of the seats at the Edward Jones Dome are maroon red. Empty seats really stick out.
 
2013-10-29 01:17:17 PM  

mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked


rams should have won that game but their coach is bad and should feel bad.
/worst goal line play calling i've had to see in a long time
//it's ok to disguise the play you are trying to run.  makes it more exciting
 
2013-10-29 01:40:18 PM  
mjohnson71:
It's never happened. In the last 20 years the "best" teams to miss the playoffs that year are the 2007 Browns and 2003 Dolphins at 10-6. 12-4 is always going to get you a Wild Card spot at least.

Ahem:  http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-12-28-patriot s -bills_N.htm

Pats 11-5. You're still right about 12-4 not going to happen, but it's mathematically possible.
 
2013-10-29 01:58:12 PM  

inner ted: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

rams should have won that game but their coach is bad and should feel bad.
/worst goal line play calling i've had to see in a long time
//it's ok to disguise the play you are trying to run.  makes it more exciting


Coaching options are limited when Rams receivers use boxing gloves to try to catch and almost no running game.

/Sucks to be us
 
2013-10-29 02:02:03 PM  
inner ted:
rams should have won that game but their coach is bad and should feel bad.

The only legitimate claim to who "should" have won is the team that scored the most points.

The Rams "shouldn't" suck like they do in the red zone.  If those 4 field goal attempts were turned into TDs, it would have been a blowout.

But they do, and it wasn't.
 
2013-10-29 02:10:35 PM  

mjohnson71: inner ted: mjohnson71: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

My thoughts exactly. You guys play like that in the playoffs (even a little bit) and your Super Bowl destiny will quickly be over.

Seattle barely beat a pretty crappy team.

/Rams fan
//Cardinals fan
///Last night sucked

rams should have won that game but their coach is bad and should feel bad.
/worst goal line play calling i've had to see in a long time
//it's ok to disguise the play you are trying to run.  makes it more exciting

Coaching options are limited when Rams receivers use boxing gloves to try to catch and almost no running game.

/Sucks to be us


dude, no.
your runningback was doing awesome.  it looked like he got dinged at the end,but must have been good enough, cause they ran him back out there.

but the problem was the play call. let's review (going off memory, but i think this is accurate)
you were on the goal line and had a couple downs and timeouts.
plays ran:
empty backfield = bad throw
followed by completely full backfield = stuffed run
followed by empty backfield = horribad throw you should be smacked in the face

you had the opportunity to pull off something amazing but your stupid ass playcaller went out of his way to say "hey seattle, we are going to run / pass now."  nothing as creative as run from a pass formation or god forbid, pass from a run formation.  or run a boot leg or anything other than what they did.

your team is not good enough to do that and the coach should have known better.  the qb knew the playbook enough to be able to pull it off just fine.

bad calls are bad calls and unfortunately the better team lost last night because of it.

/i'm not a fan of either team, just wanted to see a good game
 
2013-10-29 02:16:52 PM  

Rent Party: inner ted:
rams should have won that game but their coach is bad and should feel bad.

The only legitimate claim to who "should" have won is the team that scored the most points

.sounds like my old man's pre game analysis of "keys to victory" : score more points than the other team.  in other words: simple comment is simple.

The Rams "shouldn't" suck like they do in the red zone.  If those 4 field goal attempts were turned into TDs, it would have been a blowout. yes, & if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.  i get it.

But they do, and it wasn't. sky is also blue, sun is also hot.

you can ignore the conversation, or just keep it simple.  either way, there is no denying that the rams playcaller called bad plays at the end of that game when the opportunity was there & that is pretty unfortunate.
 
2013-10-29 02:23:33 PM  

inner ted: Rent Party: inner ted:
rams should have won that game but their coach is bad and should feel bad.

The only legitimate claim to who "should" have won is the team that scored the most points.sounds like my old man's pre game analysis of "keys to victory" : score more points than the other team.  in other words: simple comment is simple.

The Rams "shouldn't" suck like they do in the red zone.  If those 4 field goal attempts were turned into TDs, it would have been a blowout. yes, & if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.  i get it.

But they do, and it wasn't. sky is also blue, sun is also hot.

you can ignore the conversation, or just keep it simple.  either way, there is no denying that the rams playcaller called bad plays at the end of that game when the opportunity was there & that is pretty unfortunate.


And their red zone offense sucked, and their place kicker pushed a field goal try right, and they had no real passing offense to speak of, and backup QB throws a pick that gets returned damn near to the end-zone, and their defense lets *Golden farking Tate* make them look like ass.   But that one last gasp try at the end is the only thing that matters, right?

The "best" team is the one that scores the most points.  Ignoring 59 minutes and 56 seconds of really bad football doesn't change that, and blaming the loss on one play is equally unfortunate.
 
2013-10-29 02:40:50 PM  

Rent Party: whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, two observations:

1) the refs were overdoing it on many of the calls--on both sides
2) Seattle can "win ugly" all it wants, and that's fine, but they can't keep doing shiat like that or they'll be one and done in the playoffs

Indeed.   That's the third time this season they've gone full clown shoes and managed to win.   Carolina would have beaten them if D'Angelo Williams hadn't decided to drop the ball on the 7 yard line.  Tennessee was ugly, too.  New Orleans and SF will eat that shiat  up and spit out the bones.

What this really says is "you have no depth on the O-line."


Actually, I wasn't concerned about those as examples.  In both of those games, Seattle played against excellent or very good defenses and came out on top.  Against TN, they held the offense to 6 points, and the blocked field goal for a TD didn't hurt too much, but kept TN in the game longer than they should have been.

I was thinking more of the last two games.  Their Oline and their game plan for the Rams was puzzling, to say the least.  Against the Cards, they should have dominated, but gave a free ten points to them because of poor protection.  If Seattle squeaks out games against teams like Carolina on the road, I'm happy.  If they keep the Cards in play for more than a few quarters on the road, I'm concerned.

The most complete game Seattle has had was against the 49ers.  If they can get their shiat together and get their Oline back in shape, they can be pretty much unbeatable.

\tall order, though
 
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