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(AZ Family)   After a woman posted a video of yellow water coming from the faucet, her water company immediately: A) Corrected the problem B) Corrected the problem C) Corrected the problem D) Sued her for defamation   (azfamily.com) divider line 84
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2013-10-29 02:16:47 AM
Don't you love it when a corporation attempts to use the law as a bludgeon to silence critics and triggers the Streisand effect instead?
 
2013-10-29 02:51:18 AM
So Johnson Utilities gives you yellow water?

You couldn't make this shiat up if you tried.
 
2013-10-29 03:15:03 AM
 
2013-10-29 03:34:58 AM
I thought you could only sue for that sort of thing if it weren't true.
 
2013-10-29 07:23:33 AM
Probably just from fracking.
 
2013-10-29 07:23:49 AM

Aulus: Classic SLAPP suit   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_partici p ation


First thing I thought of too; utility company has tons of money and can file suit against a customer with the intent of scaring/intimidating her into shutting up. If she doesn't, then they will drag out the proceedings as long as possible to drain her of money until she gives up.
 
2013-10-29 07:27:30 AM
 
2013-10-29 07:29:41 AM

Chariset: I thought you could only sue for that sort of thing if it weren't true.


You can sue anybody for any reason.  If you want to win though, yeah.  They were probably just trying to scare her into taking the video down.
 
2013-10-29 07:29:55 AM
This is just another liberal attempt at smearing a fine corporate citizen. We need to abolish the EPA and let freedom ring!
 
2013-10-29 07:31:45 AM
Anyone can sue anyone... but their is no offense in defamation where there is truth.

The utility company has no teeth.
 
2013-10-29 07:32:31 AM

CasperImproved: Anyone can sue anyone... but their is no offense in defamation where there is truth.

The utility company has no teeth.


There, their.
 
2013-10-29 07:43:54 AM
There's nothing quite like a for-profit justice system.
 
2013-10-29 07:44:29 AM
Subby,

Choices should always be A-C and C is always the correct Answer.

Thanks,
Concerned Farker.
 
DVD
2013-10-29 07:49:40 AM
So we're saying the Johnson Utilities that serve the San Tan Valley of Arizona has delivered yellow water and is enacting silencing lawsuits against the utility customers that use the internet to show the product flowing out of their spigot?

What's the Striesand effect again?
 
2013-10-29 07:52:53 AM
"If it looks like the water came from your johnson...then it's Johnson Utilities...
that's...JOHNSON UTILITIES."
 
2013-10-29 07:54:42 AM

Alonjar: Chariset: I thought you could only sue for that sort of thing if it weren't true.

You can sue anybody for any reason.  If you want to win though, yeah.  They were probably just trying to scare her into taking the video down.


Yeah, a lawyer friend once told me that's the old saying: you can always sue; you can't always win.

What's shiatty is thinking about how often this works.
 
2013-10-29 07:56:23 AM

Trashy: Subby,

Choices should always be A-C and C is always the correct Answer.

Thanks,
Concerned Farker.


Agreed. It's too early in the day for Farkers bending the Official Hallowed RULES of FARK.
 
2013-10-29 07:57:40 AM
"This is not the first time Johnson has been in the news. There have been a number of complaints about  pressure and quality"

*snickers like 7-th grader*
 
2013-10-29 08:07:52 AM
May or may not be fracking, but it's a trial run for a scenario to be repeated many times in the future.
 
2013-10-29 08:10:14 AM
So, how rusty is the plumbing in this person's house?
 
2013-10-29 08:11:23 AM
"You have to ask the plaintiffs," says her lawyer, Marc Victor.

*gasp* She bought herself a lawyer instead of hiding in the closet.
Bravo, Bravo

no, seriously, Bravo.
 
2013-10-29 08:17:06 AM
 
2013-10-29 08:23:58 AM

SwiftFox: So, how rusty is the plumbing in this person's house?


That was my thought. If none of her neighbors experienced yellow water then it probably is something with her pipes and not the water company.
 
2013-10-29 08:24:11 AM
This is exactly why we should create a libertarian paradise. Then the woman could CRUSH the water company by fighting back!
 
2013-10-29 08:24:46 AM

crab66: This is just another liberal attempt at smearing a fine corporate citizen. We need to abolish the EPA and let freedom ring!


RON PAUL!
 
2013-10-29 08:33:29 AM

Alonjar: Chariset: I thought you could only sue for that sort of thing if it weren't true.

You can sue anybody for any reason.  If you want to win though, yeah.  They were probably just trying to scare her into taking the video down.


And/or they are suing first to keep her from suing them, which once they lose, she may decide to do.
 
2013-10-29 08:36:46 AM

SwiftFox: So, how rusty is the plumbing in this person's house?


Water pipes are made of copper or PEX (or lead if it's a really old house). I've seen a rust color before, but it's when they're working on the municipal water supply. Kinda weird to see the toilet fill back up with pis.
 
2013-10-29 08:39:21 AM
We seem to have more of these little rinky dink utility companies that there were in the midwest, and every one of them seems to rack up the violations on a routine basis. I'm not a huge libby-lib, but water treatment and delivery to multiple customers seems a job best left to an entity that has the resources for an endeavour like that.

Not all city water systems are perfect, not by a long shot, but they seem to have a better track record than Bob's water company.
 
2013-10-29 08:40:56 AM
Corporations who try to punish anyone who dares to speak out against them are scum of the Earth.
 
2013-10-29 08:40:59 AM

hailin: SwiftFox: So, how rusty is the plumbing in this person's house?

That was my thought. If none of her neighbors experienced yellow water then it probably is something with her pipes and not the water company.


Or you could stop blaming the victim and RTFA.
 
2013-10-29 08:44:44 AM

Albinoman


SwiftFox: So, how rusty is the plumbing in this person's house?

Water pipes are made of copper or PEX (or lead if it's a really old house). I've seen a rust color before, but it's when they're working on the municipal water supply. Kinda weird to see the toilet fill back up with pis.


Obviously you have never heard of galvanized iron or steel pipes. They do exist and they do rust.
 
2013-10-29 08:55:53 AM
D. Final Answer, Regis.

Man, I wish this were a million dollar question.

How the hell can you defame the water company? It is not like anyone would purposely make disgusting yellow water come from their faucets. Fix the problems, assholes. You are a water company and when plumbing issues cause problems with the water, you need to come out and fix it, or at least investigate the problem.

I love the Business Fields, but I hate how some businesses cannot accept that their services are not perfect!!!
 
2013-10-29 08:59:34 AM
Counter sue for one.....

*pinky finger to mouth*

BILLION dollars.
MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-29 09:11:31 AM
I love private companies running vital services... absolutely no potential for corruption there.
 
2013-10-29 09:23:18 AM

SwiftFox: So, how rusty is the plumbing in this person's house?


^This.

Call a plumber first, before assuming the problem is external.
 
2013-10-29 09:31:29 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I love private companies running vital services... absolutely no potential for corruption there.


I live in an area with municipal utilities. There's plenty of corruption there. Not sure why you think they're immune.
 
2013-10-29 09:36:16 AM
I don't know what it is about that company but it just seems that they are the most incompetent utility company in existence.

My parents have a winter home there in San Tan Valley and have to deal with Johnson Utilities. Complete morons. They have some sort of monopoly on water and sewage in the entire area. There's no one else to get your water from.

When my parents are away for the summer, I've had to deal with Johnson Utilities on occasion and calling them is worse than trying to get through to any government agency. Inept, uncoordinated, bordering on malevolent.

George Babbitt: SwiftFox: So, how rusty is the plumbing in this person's house?

^This.

Call a plumber first, before assuming the problem is external.


All the homes in this area are 15 years old or less. My parents is only 5 years old. A lot of the homes here don't even use copper or metal pipes except for the few feet going into the home and a foot or two before it comes out of the wall. The rest of it is a type of vinyl flexible pipe. So no chance of rusting.
 
2013-10-29 09:38:18 AM

logieal: All the homes in this area are 15 years old or less. My parents is only 5 years old. A lot of the homes here don't even use copper or metal pipes except for the few feet going into the home and a foot or two before it comes out of the wall. The rest of it is a type of vinyl flexible pipe. So no chance of rusting.


Please read what you wrote.
 
2013-10-29 09:38:26 AM

violentsalvation: So Johnson Utilities gives you yellow water?

You couldn't make this shiat up if you tried.


Whole Power gives you "brown outs"?

/got nuthin'
 
2013-10-29 09:41:49 AM

George Babbitt: logieal: All the homes in this area are 15 years old or less. My parents is only 5 years old. A lot of the homes here don't even use copper or metal pipes except for the few feet going into the home and a foot or two before it comes out of the wall. The rest of it is a type of vinyl flexible pipe. So no chance of rusting.

Please read what you wrote.


If a home here with less than 5 feet of copper piping is rusting that is less than 15 years old, then there's certainly something wrong with the water going through it, not the piping itself.
 
2013-10-29 09:47:17 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I love private companies running vital services... absolutely no potential for corruption there.


Hey, leave them alone. Providing fully clean water will reduce profits (that only the upper management will ever see). You can't provide good service and buy another house every year. Besides, the free market will take care of it. If they don't like their yellow water they can go to one of the other many utility services in the area.
 
2013-10-29 09:48:31 AM

logieal: George Babbitt: logieal: All the homes in this area are 15 years old or less. My parents is only 5 years old. A lot of the homes here don't even use copper or metal pipes except for the few feet going into the home and a foot or two before it comes out of the wall. The rest of it is a type of vinyl flexible pipe. So no chance of rusting.

Please read what you wrote.

If a home here with less than 5 feet of copper piping is rusting that is less than 15 years old, then there's certainly something wrong with the water going through it, not the piping itself.


Especially considering it's  copper piping.  And the complaint is that the water is  yellow, not brown like it would be from rust.  I work in a 60-70 year old building, and we have brown water due to rusty pipes.  This woman's water (as shown in the video) is the color of lemonade.  What the hell does that to water?
 
2013-10-29 09:54:11 AM

logieal: George Babbitt: logieal: All the homes in this area are 15 years old or less. My parents is only 5 years old. A lot of the homes here don't even use copper or metal pipes except for the few feet going into the home and a foot or two before it comes out of the wall. The rest of it is a type of vinyl flexible pipe. So no chance of rusting.

Please read what you wrote.

If a home here with less than 5 feet of copper piping is rusting that is less than 15 years old, then there's certainly something wrong with the water going through it, not the piping itself.


HaroldTheScarecrow: logieal: George Babbitt: logieal: All the homes in this area are 15 years old or less. My parents is only 5 years old. A lot of the homes here don't even use copper or metal pipes except for the few feet going into the home and a foot or two before it comes out of the wall. The rest of it is a type of vinyl flexible pipe. So no chance of rusting.

Please read what you wrote.

If a home here with less than 5 feet of copper piping is rusting that is less than 15 years old, then there's certainly something wrong with the water going through it, not the piping itself.

Especially considering it's  copper piping.  And the complaint is that the water is  yellow, not brown like it would be from rust.  I work in a 60-70 year old building, and we have brown water due to rusty pipes.  This woman's water (as shown in the video) is the color of lemonade.  What the hell does that to water?


What neither of you are taking into account, is that they don't use copper underground, they use galvanized steel. Also, the installation may have been done improperly, which could have resulted in advanced deterioration of the pipes. Either way, there is metal along the line somewhere and metal that corrodes makes lots of different colors from the oxidation.
 
2013-10-29 10:00:44 AM

George Babbitt: What neither of you are taking into account, is that they don't use copper underground, they use galvanized steel. Also, the installation may have been done improperly, which could have resulted in advanced deterioration of the pipes. Either way, there is metal along the line somewhere and metal that corrodes makes lots of different colors from the oxidation.


And this is the crux of the problem. Johnson Utilities is responsible for all of the infrastructure. They have a complete monopoly on all the water there. So if there is a problem with the water that is originating outside of the home, then it is Johnson Utilities' problem. This entire area was desert less than 20 years ago. It's all been built up recently.

This company had an issue, last year I believe, where the equipment they use to inject chemicals into the water at the treatment plant hadn't been serviced in years and was found to be non-operational several times but nothing was done to fix the problem. It took an investigative report for them to do anything. I'll have to do some searching, but I'll see if I can post a link.
 
2013-10-29 10:17:50 AM

logieal: for all of the infrastructure.


I've never heard of a municipal water company being responsible for the line coming from the main at the street up the house.

logieal: This company had an issue, last year I believe, where the equipment they use to inject chemicals into the water at the treatment plant hadn't been serviced in years and was found to be non-operational several times but nothing was done to fix the problem.


So it sounds like from that and the vague mention of prior issues in the article that they are an A1 company which could be the source of the problem, but jumping the gun to straight blaming the company before calling a plumber to check out the lines she is responsible for is where she is going to run into trouble regarding the second point made about the possibility  "that she made the statement with reckless disregard for its truth."

logieal: This entire area was desert less than 20 years ago.


There are so many places in this country to live that are not desert wastelands. Why must we continue to follow the incredibly wasteful path of places like L.A. and Las Vegas, where they dry up the Colorado river in order to quench the thirst of a desert?!?
 
2013-10-29 10:20:16 AM
I couldn't find a link to the specific incident that I noted about the equipment malfunction, but I did find a list of problems they've had since they started in 1999 to 2012.

That's right, they've only been in business since 1999. I've been out of high school longer than that. And that makes me feel very old.

Timeline of problems.

And this is just environmental problems that have been publicized. As I said previously, they have a "it's not our problem" mentality for things that are most definitely their problem. Trying to get service started or say change the billing and it's easier to convince a brick wall that it's a monkey.
 
2013-10-29 10:26:56 AM

George Babbitt: I've never heard of a municipal water company being responsible for the line coming from the main at the street up the house.


Well now you have. If there is a water main leak, they are the ones that come out and fix it. This is a very strange area that is more akin to a developer owned city instead of a normal city. Almost like an entire HOA city.

George Babbitt: So it sounds like from that and the vague mention of prior issues in the article that they are an A1 company which could be the source of the problem, but jumping the gun to straight blaming the company before calling a plumber to check out the lines she is responsible for is where she is going to run into trouble regarding the second point made about the possibility "that she made the statement with reckless disregard for its truth."


See my previous post with link to multiple infractions.

George Babbitt: There are so many places in this country to live that are not desert wastelands. Why must we continue to follow the incredibly wasteful path of places like L.A. and Las Vegas, where they dry up the Colorado river in order to quench the thirst of a desert?!?


Here, I am completely in agreement with you. Personally I don't think anyone in their right mind should live here and am looking to move out of state by March of next year.
I've never lived somewhere that a resource such as water is in such scarce supply that is used with such reckless abandon as it is here in the desert.
 
2013-10-29 10:32:29 AM
Just think of the convenience of turning water to pee without needing human input.
 
2013-10-29 10:35:16 AM

untaken_name: Tr0mBoNe: I love private companies running vital services... absolutely no potential for corruption there.

I live in an area with municipal utilities. There's plenty of corruption there. Not sure why you think they're immune.


Its a different kind of corruption.  Like padding hours and contract kickbacks on the municipal side.  On the private side it is about layoffs, neglect of infrastructure and loading up with unnecessary debt and leaving the municipality holding the bag.
 
2013-10-29 10:42:13 AM
WHAT ARE THEY PUTTING IN OUR WATER?!

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
 
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